Chinese Democracy is freaking awesome

[JVesper]

It's the motherfucking D.R.E!

[RocketKing99]

SunnyDRE is mad at Axl .

Mad Hatters is angry at Axl .

I wonder why she is...

Surely you are not trying to imply that I am Madison?

Thank you for both you and Montrealer's warm welcome, but I'm just a first time member who desires to share in my nu-gnr fandom with others. It's been a great tour so far, been following it closely. If Axl, Bumblefoot, Buckethead, Tobias, Frank, and Dizzy bring themselves to the states, and drag their ass down to Florida, I imagine I'll try to catch at least 3-4 lives shows. Can't wait.

Hi Madison.

[GeorgeGlass]

Chinese Democracy is good, but it's overproduced, overdubbed and relies too heavily on digital equipment. This is evident in the way these songs are poorly performed live. A great rock song is easily reproduced in a live environment (and in most cases brought to a new level), and this is clearly not the case given the audio we have from this recent 15 gig 'tour'. The double voice, the backing tracks - it's poor. CD was Axl's next musical direction as a follow up to UYI and at the time would have been a visionary album, but in the 15 years since, it's become passe and played out. A more back to basics hard rock album would've suited the masses much better, and you can just hear parts of it trying to come out in CD. Like anything, music is cyclical - that 'NIN' industrial sound WAS in - back in the late 90's just like the rap/metal Rage thing, and people would've been much more receptive to CD, in addition to the fact that at that time, Axl was still relevant. With all the garbage being spewed out by these hip hop/pop groups, real music fans crave real music right now, and Chinese Democracy isn't it. He had a chance to revive rock and roll and didn't do it. Add in the big 'fuck you' song to Slash and it people dislike the album and Axl even more. It was cool to be like that when you're in your 20's and 30's and pissed off, but at what point does it end, and you just grow up and move on? I mean 15 years later and he's still telling Slash to fuck off??

This is all a moot point because Axl does things his way, whether people want it or not. Unfortunately for Axl fans, people don't want 'it' or 'him', they want Guns. He will be remembered as the biggest 'what if'/'what could've been' front man in the history of rock and roll. The guy that had everything and threw it all away after disappearing for 10 years.

[Jumpin' Jack Flash]

Mad Hatter actually does really remind me of Madison.

[Jackie Moon]

Chinese Democracy is good, but it's overproduced, overdubbed and relies too heavily on digital equipment. This is evident in the way these songs are poorly performed live. A great rock song is easily reproduced in a live environment (and in most cases brought to a new level), and this is clearly not the case given the audio we have from this recent 15 gig 'tour'.

you cant judge based on bootlegs, thats just unfair.

for those of us who have seen it live, we have all said the youtubes / bootlegs dont do it justice.

the songs are even better live, many of us have agreed on this.

in short, stfu.

[GeorgeGlass]

Chinese Democracy is good, but it's overproduced, overdubbed and relies too heavily on digital equipment. This is evident in the way these songs are poorly performed live. A great rock song is easily reproduced in a live environment (and in most cases brought to a new level), and this is clearly not the case given the audio we have from this recent 15 gig 'tour'.

you cant judge based on bootlegs, thats just unfair.

for those of us who have seen it live, we have all said the youtubes / bootlegs dont do it justice.

the songs are even better live, many of us have agreed on this.

in short, stfu.

They Tokyo bootleg is pretty good quality, so don't play that card. The backing tracks are laughable, even more so since some of them weren't being played at the right time. Also, three guitars help to make complete mud out of a song. Axl's vocals have been great, but the execution of the songs has not because most CD songs don't translate that well into live performances due to their inorganic nature. Even UYI, which has some semi-complicated songs, is better live because Axl did away with the voice doubling and any other effects when performing them live.

Why is it that any contradicting point of view, backed up with valid points and reasonable opinions, has to be shot down? We're all dealing with a neurotic, selfish has-been who abandoned his fans for 10 years and then came back with an album and no real tour? He needs to earn back the respect of the people that have allowed him to be such an asshole for so many years.

[Jackie Moon]

They Tokyo bootleg is pretty good quality, so don't play that card. The backing tracks are laughable, even more so since some of them weren't being played at the right time. Also, three guitars help to make complete mud out of a song. Axl's vocals have been great, but the execution of the songs has not because most CD songs don't translate that well into live performances due to their inorganic nature. Even UYI, which has some semi-complicated songs, is better live because Axl did away with the voice doubling and any other effects when performing them live.

Why is it that any contradicting point of view, backed up with valid points and reasonable opinions, has to be shot down? We're all dealing with a neurotic, selfish has-been who abandoned his fans for 10 years and then came back with an album and no real tour? He needs to earn back the respect of the people that have allowed him to be such an asshole for so many years.

many of us have seen both sides of this.

we have listened to the bootlegs, we have seen the live show.

we all say the bootlegs dont do it justice and the live show is much, much better. better than the bootlegs, better than the actual CD

comparatively

you have heard the bootlegs.... thats it.

and your saying there is no difference. like the big lebowski, you have no frame of reference here donny.

if thats your logic i really cant help you.

you dont have a valid point. the bootlegs aren't reliable. at all. im sorry you haven't seen a show, sincerely, and if you do and still think it sucks , then you'll have a valid point. but using the bootlegs to judge the performances is pathetic. and then the 2nd part of that paragraph just goes to show your mind is already made up so engaging with you is useless.