lost in the garden Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 (edited) So,Tracii Guns is the only member of the very 1st L.A. Guns lineup still in L.A Guns, and also the only member still in the mix that played on the bands debut EP.Axl Rose is the only member of the very 1st Guns N' Roses lineup still in Guns N' Roses, and also the only one (other than Izzy) from this group that played on the groups debut EP.Yet,Most of the general public believe; that The L.A. Guns name should belong to Tracii,because he was using the name before the classic lineup that the band peaked with.Now with Axl it is mostly the opposite.Most people believe that the Guns N' Roses name should not belong to Axl,and that the classic lineup that the band peaked with should have a say in the name.The only real difference here is that GNR became superstars, in a market where L.A. Guns only made a modest showing.Discuss..... Edited July 6, 2010 by lost in the garden
Tater Totts Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 Where's my mother fuckin' popcorn.....Taking a shit in Rome.
Andrew07 Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 i think one of the main issues people have with the current guns is that chinese democracy sounds so different from the old material, la guns have kept the same sound but it makes axl better because he took it upon himself to evolve the sound of guns into something new and cool
plonker88 Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 (edited) I know this isn't meant to be a cupcake thread, certainly feels like one though.Either way it will not end well. Edited July 6, 2010 by plonker88
American Psycho Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 The biggest problem with the people is that they cant forget Slash.Second, i like how GnR changed there sound from hard rock to industrial.
ChristianGNR Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 DId you guys ever heard a industrial record?ChiDem is not industrial. You can call modern rock, or rock with some drummachine, but is way far from industrial album.
SunnyDRE Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 i think one of the main issues people have with the current guns is that chinese democracy sounds so different from the old material, la guns have kept the same sound but it makes axl better because he took it upon himself to evolve the sound of guns into something new and coolNope.I think people are smarter than that. The change in direction and Axl keeping the name only came into play - because the music sucks.If the music was good; the change in direction and name, would never be talked about......ever.
ChristianGNR Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 i think one of the main issues people have with the current guns is that chinese democracy sounds so different from the old material, la guns have kept the same sound but it makes axl better because he took it upon himself to evolve the sound of guns into something new and coolNope.I think people are smarter than that. The change in direction and Axl keeping the name only came into play - because the music sucks.If the music was good; the change in direction and name, would never be talked about......ever.Chinese Democracy songs sucks?hahahahahahahahahahaha
LesPaul_Player_91 Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 Chinese Democracy songs sucks?hahahahahahahahahahaha+1Chinese Democracy is easily the best rock album of the '00s.
nambis Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 I HATE IT WHEN IDIOTS ORDER EVERYONE TO "DISCUSS." :fuckyou: DISCUSS IT YOURSELF, FUCKTWAT!
lost in the garden Posted July 6, 2010 Author Posted July 6, 2010 I HATE IT WHEN IDIOTS ORDER EVERYONE TO "DISCUSS." :fuckyou: DISCUSS IT YOURSELF, FUCKTWAT!Hey Skidmark,Don't use the message board if you don't want to participate
Daedalus Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 The biggest problem with the people is that they cant forget Slash.I don't see that as a problem...why they should forget him (or any former gunner)?
lost in the garden Posted July 6, 2010 Author Posted July 6, 2010 Okay, so Slash....he is a major star, and famous for playing in GNR.But, what about the fact that Tracii Guns, is not and never was the singer in L.A. Guns.Former lead singer Phil Lewis currently tours with his own version of the band, that he also calls L.A. Guns.But,most still side with Tracii on who should be using the bands name,
SunnyDRE Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 Chinese Democracy songs sucks?hahahahahahahahahahaha+1Chinese Democracy is easily the best rock album of the '00s.Only if you haven't heard any other rock albums this decade.Wouldn't even be in the Top 1000.i think one of the main issues people have with the current guns is that chinese democracy sounds so different from the old material, la guns have kept the same sound but it makes axl better because he took it upon himself to evolve the sound of guns into something new and coolNope.I think people are smarter than that. The change in direction and Axl keeping the name only came into play - because the music sucks.If the music was good; the change in direction and name, would never be talked about......ever.Chinese Democracy songs sucks?yes.
Jakey Styley Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 (edited) Chinese Democracy songs sucks?hahahahahahahahahahaha+1Chinese Democracy is easily the best rock album of the '00s.Only if you haven't heard any other rock albums this decade.Wouldn't even be in the Top 1000.i think one of the main issues people have with the current guns is that chinese democracy sounds so different from the old material, la guns have kept the same sound but it makes axl better because he took it upon himself to evolve the sound of guns into something new and coolNope.I think people are smarter than that. The change in direction and Axl keeping the name only came into play - because the music sucks.If the music was good; the change in direction and name, would never be talked about......ever.Chinese Democracy songs sucks?yes. Try judging music by the talent it takes to create it rather than whether you think it' good music for "playing at a summer cookout" or not.I won't even get into Sunny Day Real Estate. Edited July 6, 2010 by ItsSuchACrimeUKnowItsJAKE
bacardimayne Posted July 6, 2010 Posted July 6, 2010 Try judging music by the talent it takes to create it rather than whether you think it' good music for "playing at a summer cookout" or not.I won't even get into Sunny Day Real Estate. I'm sure CD isn't the "best" rock album of the 2000s, whatever that means, but it's definitely my personal favorite.
ThinkAboutYou Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 To me all 5 of the AFD lineup created the original soundSlash and Steven's drumming were very important to the soundI think that's why people have a problem with Nu GNR
Mastodonny Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 I didn't realize that anyone was talking about Axl or Tracii Guns other than on this board.
mcalldp Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 Chinese Democracy songs sucks?hahahahahahahahahahaha+1Chinese Democracy is easily the best rock album of the '00s.Only if you haven't heard any other rock albums this decade.Wouldn't even be in the Top 1000.i think one of the main issues people have with the current guns is that chinese democracy sounds so different from the old material, la guns have kept the same sound but it makes axl better because he took it upon himself to evolve the sound of guns into something new and coolNope.I think people are smarter than that. The change in direction and Axl keeping the name only came into play - because the music sucks.If the music was good; the change in direction and name, would never be talked about......ever.Chinese Democracy songs sucks?yes.Jesus DRE, I'm all for everyone having their opinion but why do you even come out of the old guns section on this site? I mean, if there was ANYTHING you liked about guns since 93' I could see why some discussions would interest you in the current section but if there is nothing you like about the current music why even bother keeping up with the current stuff?And to the person that said thee music is industrial, it's not...think more Front 242 or Skinny Puppy for industrial sounds...even Ministry but Chi Dem? No.
ThinkAboutYou Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 Does the general public really care who uses the LA Guns name?????probably not
Jackie Moon Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) people who hate on the new band, some just plain dont like the music, and thats fair, but there are a lot more who just feel axl is bad, slash good, and that justify hating axl / new gnr because slash is the cool / good one and what axl did was wrong / unfair. people will say "it doesn't sound like guns n roses" but thats a bullshit excuse. even if it did sound like guns n roses people would still hate on axl for being mean to slash. "i would like shacklers revenge if it wasnt called guns n roses" thats the logic we are dealing with here. people are just butthurt over axls possession of the name and use "it doesnt sound like guns n roses" as a way to convey that. nintari talks about subconscious fuckin jealousy, i think the slash fans are the subconsciously jealous ones. jealous over axls possession of the name and his position of gatekeeper for a gnr reunion. what are axl fans jealous over? slashs solo album? lol.i have no problem with axl using the name. i dont buy into the axl bad - slash good bullshit. i think they have both done some very sketchy, and some very cool things. i think CD is a real gnr record, its in the spirit of gnr, so i really have no problem with that. plus, bucket was an upgrade on slash so things only improved 1996>2001. Edited July 7, 2010 by Jackie Moon
Zanedog Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 people who hate on the new band, some just plain dont like the music, and thats fair, but there are a lot more who just feel axl is bad, slash good, and that justify hating axl / new gnr because slash is the cool / good one and what axl did was wrong / unfair. people will say "it doesn't sound like guns n roses" but thats a bullshit excuse. even if it did sound like guns n roses people would still hate on axl for being mean to slash. "i would like shacklers revenge if it wasnt called guns n roses" thats the logic we are dealing with here. people are just butthurt over axls possession of the name and use "it doesnt sound like guns n roses" as a way to convey that. nintari talks about subconscious fuckin jealousy, i think the slash fans are the subconsciously jealous ones. jealous over axls possession of the name and his position of gatekeeper for a gnr reunion. what are axl fans jealous over? slashs solo album? lol.i have no problem with axl using the name. i dont buy into the axl bad - slash good bullshit. i think they have both done some very sketchy, and some very cool things. i think CD is a real gnr record, its in the spirit of gnr, so i really have no problem with that. plus, bucket was an upgrade on slash so things only improved 1996>2001.Couldnt have said it better myself.
Lines&Noses Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 people who hate on the new band, some just plain dont like the music, and thats fair, but there are a lot more who just feel axl is bad, slash good, and that justify hating axl / new gnr because slash is the cool / good one and what axl did was wrong / unfair. people will say "it doesn't sound like guns n roses" but thats a bullshit excuse. even if it did sound like guns n roses people would still hate on axl for being mean to slash. "i would like shacklers revenge if it wasnt called guns n roses" thats the logic we are dealing with here. people are just butthurt over axls possession of the name and use "it doesnt sound like guns n roses" as a way to convey that. nintari talks about subconscious fuckin jealousy, i think the slash fans are the subconsciously jealous ones. jealous over axls possession of the name and his position of gatekeeper for a gnr reunion. what are axl fans jealous over? slashs solo album? lol.i have no problem with axl using the name. i dont buy into the axl bad - slash good bullshit. i think they have both done some very sketchy, and some very cool things. i think CD is a real gnr record, its in the spirit of gnr, so i really have no problem with that. plus, bucket was an upgrade on slash so things only improved 1996>2001.I agree just hating on Axl is stupid?what are axl fans jealous over? slashs solo album? lol.But surely hating Slash is just as stupid?I agree bucket was the most interesting this to happen to nu-GnR (for want of a better term) and I've already ecplained just how good I thought his solo on TWAT is. (its absolutely sensational although I prefer the purer 2003 version before other parts were added). However I don't think overall he contributed or imporved on Slash? Where are the classic riff/songs? I'm not hating on Bucket, I just don't think he was better than Slash by any tangible measure? As for Axl keeping te GnR name is still doesn't really make sense to me apart from bloody headed resentment of the old members especially Slash. If he really wanted to go in a new musical direction what was to stop him changing the name? It would have alowed him to shed alot of bagage. The majority of the old fans will only see it as his solo project and the new fans prolly don;t care about the legavy anyway? Maybe I am mistaken but I can't think of any good positive reason to keep the name while changing the band/soun/direction and members?
realpoti Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 Chinese Democracy songs sucks?hahahahahahahahahahaha+1Chinese Democracy is easily the best rock album of the '00s.Only if you haven't heard any other rock albums this decade.Wouldn't even be in the Top 1000.i think one of the main issues people have with the current guns is that chinese democracy sounds so different from the old material, la guns have kept the same sound but it makes axl better because he took it upon himself to evolve the sound of guns into something new and coolNope.I think people are smarter than that. The change in direction and Axl keeping the name only came into play - because the music sucks.If the music was good; the change in direction and name, would never be talked about......ever.Chinese Democracy songs sucks?yes.So, what you're doing here ??
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