rockerman Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Listen guys, any singer knows that if you don't train your voice like you would train any other part of your body it get's weak. Axl's voice from 01 to 02 is directly related to the known fact that he went years without singing. I'm going to bet that from about 2005 till now he has been doing vocal exercises to get his voice back to where it is today. Look at the 02 MSG concert. He sang far better on that show than he did the whole tour because his throat was starting to become accustomed to singing again. Look at the first show in 2009 and then compare his voice to the last show in 2010. Look at any of the first live versions of TIL and then the later versions. It's a fact guys, coming from a singer myself, it is how the body works. Another good example is Tom Keifer from CInderella (great underrated band btw). He pretty much lost his voice due to poor singing style (and a hemmorage) and took a few years off to retrain his voice and now he actually sounds just as good as he did in the 80's.You nailed it on this one. Three points!I always thought Cinderella would be bigger than what they were. tom Kiefer Sings like a mother**&&^. We always did Nobodys Fool early on while my vocals were fresh cuz he shreds way up in the atmosphere on that song.Believe it or not people, singing is an atheltic event. Aside from protecting the vocal chords and using them properly theres other dynamics that require the whole body. Theres so much dynamic that goes into true sustained singing. Especially power singing like Axl does. Back in the late 80's that is what drew me to GNR was Axls amazing ability to vary his vocals. He was one of the few that actually really sang usinghis full range of pipes. When I saw GNR in 2002 in Moline I noticed Axl doing some things that my vocal coach had toldme to do..."backing off"... approaching the sound from a different angle/place when he did-there were times he came across as mickey mouse. You could tell by his posture and his sustain that he was using different dynamics to reach the same notes he had when he was younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janis Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Listen guys, any singer knows that if you don't train your voice like you would train any other part of your body it get's weak. Axl's voice from 01 to 02 is directly related to the known fact that he went years without singing. I'm going to bet that from about 2005 till now he has been doing vocal exercises to get his voice back to where it is today. Look at the 02 MSG concert. He sang far better on that show than he did the whole tour because his throat was starting to become accustomed to singing again. Look at the first show in 2009 and then compare his voice to the last show in 2010. Look at any of the first live versions of TIL and then the later versions. It's a fact guys, coming from a singer myself, it is how the body works. Another good example is Tom Keifer from CInderella (great underrated band btw). He pretty much lost his voice due to poor singing style (and a hemmorage) and took a few years off to retrain his voice and now he actually sounds just as good as he did in the 80's.You nailed it on this one. Three points!I always thought Cinderella would be bigger than what they were. tom Kiefer Sings like a mother**&&^. We always did Nobodys Fool early on while my vocals were fresh cuz he shreds way up in the atmosphere on that song.Believe it or not people, singing is an atheltic event. Aside from protecting the vocal chords and using them properly theres other dynamics that require the whole body. Theres so much dynamic that goes into true sustained singing. Especially power singing like Axl does. Back in the late 80's that is what drew me to GNR was Axls amazing ability to vary his vocals. He was one of the few that actually really sang usinghis full range of pipes. When I saw GNR in 2002 in Moline I noticed Axl doing some things that my vocal coach had toldme to do..."backing off"... approaching the sound from a different angle/place when he did-there were times he came across as mickey mouse. You could tell by his posture and his sustain that he was using different dynamics to reach the same notes he had when he was younger.Cool. So why does Axl sing in that high raspy way so much these days? Why did he change so much when his 80s voice was the perfect rock voice? In the 80s he had rougher lower rasp like on the VMAS 1988 perf and it had more depth to it. On the slow ballads he still has his soft voice but on Nighttain and rocket queen this year it's too shrieky and sometimes unlistenable -for me anyway wheras I can listen to 80s versions of Rocket and Nighttarin all day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Listen guys, any singer knows that if you don't train your voice like you would train any other part of your body it get's weak. Axl's voice from 01 to 02 is directly related to the known fact that he went years without singing. I'm going to bet that from about 2005 till now he has been doing vocal exercises to get his voice back to where it is today. Look at the 02 MSG concert. He sang far better on that show than he did the whole tour because his throat was starting to become accustomed to singing again. Look at the first show in 2009 and then compare his voice to the last show in 2010. Look at any of the first live versions of TIL and then the later versions. It's a fact guys, coming from a singer myself, it is how the body works. Another good example is Tom Keifer from CInderella (great underrated band btw). He pretty much lost his voice due to poor singing style (and a hemmorage) and took a few years off to retrain his voice and now he actually sounds just as good as he did in the 80's.You nailed it on this one. Three points!I always thought Cinderella would be bigger than what they were. tom Kiefer Sings like a mother**&&^. We always did Nobodys Fool early on while my vocals were fresh cuz he shreds way up in the atmosphere on that song.Believe it or not people, singing is an atheltic event. Aside from protecting the vocal chords and using them properly theres other dynamics that require the whole body. Theres so much dynamic that goes into true sustained singing. Especially power singing like Axl does. Back in the late 80's that is what drew me to GNR was Axls amazing ability to vary his vocals. He was one of the few that actually really sang usinghis full range of pipes. When I saw GNR in 2002 in Moline I noticed Axl doing some things that my vocal coach had toldme to do..."backing off"... approaching the sound from a different angle/place when he did-there were times he came across as mickey mouse. You could tell by his posture and his sustain that he was using different dynamics to reach the same notes he had when he was younger.Cool. So why does Axl sing in that high raspy way so much these days? Why did he change so much when his 80s voice was the perfect rock voice? In the 80s he had rougher lower rasp like on the VMAS 1988 perf and it had more depth to it. On the slow ballads he still has his soft voice but on Nighttain and rocket queen this year it's too shrieky and sometimes unlistenable -for me anyway wheras I can listen to 80s versions of Rocket and Nighttarin all day!Perhaps because he realized that the 2001-2002 style didn't work for him?Didn't Axl say somewhere that the 2002 tour was forced on him? Maybe he sung like that to be spiteful. Who knows.I did read that Axl had gotten throat surgery, I believe in the early-mid 90s, to get rid of vocal nodules. These effect a lot of singers who sing with intensity; Robert Plant had them, for example. Getting the surgery to remove them, however, is risky; It can also remove a lot of the singer's range. This doesn't ALWAYS happen, but can, I guess depending on the patient and skills of the doctor.Look at Robert Plant's vocals. On the first three albums, he has a very clear vocal with lots of control and range, sometimes utilizing an Axl-like rasp when he screamed. By Physical Graffiti, his vocals were strained, raspy; sounding kind of like Axl in 1992. That sort of raspy wail. He had all of his range still, but a lot of it was now rasp.Shortly after the recording of Physical Graffiti (January 1974 is when the sessions for that finished up), Robert was diangosed with vocal nodules and got surgery to remove them. This surgery is partially why Zep didn't tour in '74. It removed a lot of his former range and also dropped his voice down a notch. Compare his vocals before 1974 to those after 1974 and you'll see what I mean.Another example of a singer who had vocal nodules, had them removed only to lose range is Elton John.Freddie Mercury also had nodules, but he NEVER got surgery to remove them, which is why Freddie in 1986 sounded the same as Freddie in 1974. He knew he had the nodules, but didn't want to run the risk of ruining his voice just to get them removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Freddie Mercury also had nodules, but he NEVER got surgery to remove them, which is why Freddie in 1986 sounded the same as Freddie in 1974. He knew he had the nodules, but didn't want to run the risk of ruining his voice just to get them removed.Ian Gillan also avoided surgery, and despite the natural wear and tear, he can still hit a lot of the high notes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) Freddie Mercury also had nodules, but he NEVER got surgery to remove them, which is why Freddie in 1986 sounded the same as Freddie in 1974. He knew he had the nodules, but didn't want to run the risk of ruining his voice just to get them removed.Ian Gillan also avoided surgery, and despite the natural wear and tear, he can still hit a lot of the high notes...Yeah. I don't know if Axl got his removed or not, I had heard he did but I forget where I heard it.But it was during the time of the UYI tour, I think. I'm not sure.The thing is, you can hear a very gradual change in Axl's voice, from the Hollywood Rose tapes in 1983 (is that what year they were recorded?) through the AFD tours, and even during the UYI tour, Axl's voice changed. Listen also to how his voice sounds at the induction of Elton John in January 1994, on Dead Flowers on Gilby's record (1994), Sympathy for the Devil (1994), Anxious Disease (1996), Sweet Child O' Mine Re-Record (1998), Oh My God (1999). There is a real, slow evolution there in his vocals.I'm not good on the technical aspects of vocals, but I'd love if someone wrote an indepth "history" of his voice. He's got one of the most fascinating voices in rock because he has so many voices.Here's something I don't get:In the Sweet Child O' Mine re-record (done sometime in 1998 or 1999), and the Live Era re-records, he still has a raspy voice, but it's a higher pitched rasp than during the UYI tours, and actually is much more powerful and even (A lot of the UYI shows showcase Axl's voice as being very uneven, not well controlled). His voice on Sweet Child O' Mine and Live Era sounds similar to his voice at Argentina 1993 but with more rasp and higher pitched. Now, how could Axl go from that...to what we saw in 2001 and 2002 in just a few short years? THAT is what puzzles me.A part of me does think maybe the 2001-2002 voice was a choice, because listen to Axl on Dead Flowers (on Gilby's record). It sounds very similar to the helium voice of 2001-2002. Yet in 1999, five years later, he still was able to deploy a very classical rasp with lots of power. Edited January 15, 2011 by Indigo Child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Listen guys, any singer knows that if you don't train your voice like you would train any other part of your body it get's weak. Axl's voice from 01 to 02 is directly related to the known fact that he went years without singing. I'm going to bet that from about 2005 till now he has been doing vocal exercises to get his voice back to where it is today. Look at the 02 MSG concert. He sang far better on that show than he did the whole tour because his throat was starting to become accustomed to singing again. Look at the first show in 2009 and then compare his voice to the last show in 2010. Look at any of the first live versions of TIL and then the later versions. It's a fact guys, coming from a singer myself, it is how the body works. Another good example is Tom Keifer from CInderella (great underrated band btw). He pretty much lost his voice due to poor singing style (and a hemmorage) and took a few years off to retrain his voice and now he actually sounds just as good as he did in the 80's.You nailed it on this one. Three points!I always thought Cinderella would be bigger than what they were. tom Kiefer Sings like a mother**&&^. We always did Nobodys Fool early on while my vocals were fresh cuz he shreds way up in the atmosphere on that song.Believe it or not people, singing is an atheltic event. Aside from protecting the vocal chords and using them properly theres other dynamics that require the whole body. Theres so much dynamic that goes into true sustained singing. Especially power singing like Axl does. Back in the late 80's that is what drew me to GNR was Axls amazing ability to vary his vocals. He was one of the few that actually really sang usinghis full range of pipes. When I saw GNR in 2002 in Moline I noticed Axl doing some things that my vocal coach had toldme to do..."backing off"... approaching the sound from a different angle/place when he did-there were times he came across as mickey mouse. You could tell by his posture and his sustain that he was using different dynamics to reach the same notes he had when he was younger.Cool. So why does Axl sing in that high raspy way so much these days? Why did he change so much when his 80s voice was the perfect rock voice? In the 80s he had rougher lower rasp like on the VMAS 1988 perf and it had more depth to it. On the slow ballads he still has his soft voice but on Nighttain and rocket queen this year it's too shrieky and sometimes unlistenable -for me anyway wheras I can listen to 80s versions of Rocket and Nighttarin all day!Wear and tear on a voice..energy of soul...belief in the song..(you sing a song the same way 5000 times and see if you dont get bored with it) when your on the way up -on the make you can pour your heart and soul into it..Any of these different factors may be a possibility. Axl sings for his supper.. it takes hell of a lot of energy to sing GNR songs. You cant fake an Axl song! While he may still have the range and the capability to perform he may not have the ability to sing like a banchee anymore. Its speculation. I know theres no way I can present day live like I was in the 90's and expect to go hit the pitches i used too... and I am in better shape and more experienced now. All the great singers that have had long careers,,reached a point somewhere where the excesses had a direct effect on their ability to sing with dynamic sustained range. For a singer to really sing it has factors like emotional physical mental and even spiritual health. Axl has said that its hard to go out and entertain people if your whole world is falling apart. I suspect many of the late shows are related to getting his vocals in a place where he can actually SING.Take SCOM-to do it right..you gotta put some balls into it..its not an easy song to sing..ive seen tons of bands cover it and very very few can reach the intensity level it requires without altering it or putting a different spin on it. Another factor..cocaine numbs the pain centers...you can sings shit on cocaine that you could never normaly unless you were mega talented and trained to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loko Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I rather think that was choose to sing that way. When he want to sing with rasp in 2001 than he did it. And also in 2006 he could sing very very high (Sailing for example).And for god sake! I really like 2001's voice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 This is a pretty great live version. The recording isn't the best, but Axl had it this night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destroier Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 This is a pretty great live version. The recording isn't the best, but Axl had it this night.I haven't seen much new GNR footage. This is the first time I've seen Axl with the cowboy pimp look. I like it better than mexican gangbanger look, I'm glad he's ditched those huge jerseys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerpr Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) HOB 01-01-01 Complete Showhttp://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=171932 Edited January 17, 2011 by gunnerpr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stro Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 This is a pretty great live version. The recording isn't the best, but Axl had it this night.I haven't seen much new GNR footage. This is the first time I've seen Axl with the cowboy pimp look. I like it better than mexican gangbanger look, I'm glad he's ditched those huge jerseys.He got rid of them nearly 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratus Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 HOB 01-01-01 Complete Showhttp://www.mygnrforu...howtopic=171932Thanks much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STARABOSTES Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 HOB 01-01-01 Complete Showhttp://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=171932now that is it man!thanks so much!to have this show now, and to listen to it, after 2006-2007 and 2009-2010 tour it so cool!to hear the first life performances of the Chinese Democracy album!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinaldo Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Sorry to bring this old topic back and also if it's not the right place to post the links below or even if it's not allowed to do it here, but I just want to show even more something we all already know: Axl is a genius!Street of Dreams - RIR 3 Emulation Mix: Instrumental (guitar track off): Hope you enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYbeyrU5vH8Is this just me or it's still the best Street of Dreams live performance ever back when it was still called The Blues? I mean the first or second (not sure if they did in HoB). I think the shorter intro, faster tempo, Axl being pissed and the aggressive outro made it. Do you guys know of any better (no pun intended) performance of SoD? Please post.Yes it is. Its also about as good CD ever got.Too bad the extra bits (layers / vocals) screwed up the finnal album mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 This is a pretty great live version. The recording isn't the best, but Axl had it this night.I haven't seen much new GNR footage. This is the first time I've seen Axl with the cowboy pimp look. I like it better than mexican gangbanger look, I'm glad he's ditched those huge jerseys.That performace sounds horrendous.Axl looks dress for pantomime time, and the guitar work sounds off, way off.Atleast Dizzy doing good with the piano, can't fault him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) my fave version is the HOB show in 2001 and from novarock austria in 2006 Edited March 5, 2011 by bran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacfantasy Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 The only better one was Osaka 2002. It starts off with Axl singing fuck yoooouuu. I don't have the video, but here's the audio:http://www.mediafire.com/?e9dw8o2k5ah2sa8can anyone re-upload this version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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