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I would abandon ship on Epiphones in general. With the stuff coming out of Korea still at a decent price, there's no reason to pay what they're asking for Chinese. Or just get a Chibson "replica" from one of those sellers that will customize anything for you. You'd be surprised at the craftsmanship and woods youll get for 300 bucks from some of those guys.

I actually disagree, I think the Chibson counterfits are horrible and don't support them. They look nice but play horribly. It would be much better to go with something like a Tokai, Fernandes, Ibanez, or one of those old lawsuit models

It does depend on the seller/maker. I should have specified, they can be MADE INTO great guitars. A lot of the time the fretwork and wood are both excellent,and swapping pickups and hardware goes a long way for them.

The problem with the lawsuits is that they're too well known now. You will be hard pressed to get a Tokai for under 700, and at that point just buy a used Gibskn Standard.

That's true, the price of a lawsuit is now the price of a high end Epi/ low end Gibby/ or an Orville. I still don't like Chibson, they're just fakes made from the bottom of the barrel of materials and they have ripped many of people off.

For a "Les Paul" on the cheap I guess I would rather go with an Epi or Agile or another reputable import copy. Although honestly, I'd rather just save a bit more up and buy a Gibson Les Paul Special or Studio or something like that

Can get used Classics or sometimes Standards on Craigslist for $1400, or less, I've seen Classics go for $1200, albeit this wasn't recently as I haven't been checking. Bud I'd imagine they're in that region. Find one with a large blemish but still plays perfectly? Chances are it's going for $1100 or $1000, a steal for that guitar at that price.

Oh yeah, its a great time to buy on the used market. That may change though wwith new price increases :(

There are new deals too, i justbought my signature t new for a little under 2k, a great value for what is essentially a traditional or older standard

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Got this in the mail today, Gibson Les Paul 2017 Tribute T Goldtop. Sounds fucking great to put it mildly

Wow Fortus has gone from an Izzy lookalike to morphing into Malcom Young. 

I will try and record a quick sound demo next week! I am going camping this weekend so I only got about an hour total of play time on it so far. It almost feels too nice for me and it has some modern

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The black LP pictured was a lawsuit one. Threw some seymour duncans in it and new electronics and it plays great. With a little bit of love it can play and look like a gibson at the fraction of the cost.

However, if you want a les paul, just save for it. I tried getting a bunch of les paul copies but I was never truly satisfied until I got a real one. I have the copy as a back up/travel guitar. If you buy and soup up a copy, you'll end up wanting another guitar in a couple years, when you could have just saved or bit the bullet and grabbed the real thing instead of having two guitars that aren't exactly what you want. If you can find a way to make it work, it's worth it. Consider it an investment in a guitar you may have for the rest of your life.

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The black LP pictured was a lawsuit one. Threw some seymour duncans in it and new electronics and it plays great. With a little bit of love it can play and look like a gibson at the fraction of the cost.

However, if you want a les paul, just save for it. I tried getting a bunch of les paul copies but I was never truly satisfied until I got a real one. I have the copy as a back up/travel guitar. If you buy and soup up a copy, you'll end up wanting another guitar in a couple years, when you could have just saved or bit the bullet and grabbed the real thing instead of having two guitars that aren't exactly what you want. If you can find a way to make it work, it's worth it. Consider it an investment in a guitar you may have for the rest of your life.

For real. I have one of those weird "in between, not an internship but not a permanent job" sort of thing so my salary is shit (its for the experience!). I still managed to get a Les Paul Signature T because of financing, me wanting it, and because I'm an idiot.

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Finally got my new Gibson Les Paul Traditional Plus.

The Classic 57s were replaced by french Kami NoPaf pickups. They are simply the best pickups I've ever played. So articulate and dynamic.

It looks and sounds like this :

Beautiful! I considered a Traditional instead of my Signature. I love my 57 Classics, but Ill check those Kamis out

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Thank you.

Kamis are waaaaaaaaaay overpriced. The guy who makes them probably went insane or something because after getting some recognition, he started charging 500 bucks per pickup.

This guitar already had them installed so I didn't really have to pay for them.

Final samples, with a heavier overdriven sound this time :

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They sound great! But 500 a pickup? No thanks, I'll stick with my 57s!

Yeah no matter how good it sounds, there's no pick-up I'd really consider paying more than $200 or so for, maybe an original PAF, or a Shaw, because of the value that those pick-ups will hold over time.

As good as a $500 pick-up may sound, chances are there's a $100-$200 pick up that sounds just as good or better out there. And we have to remember, there's a bazillion other things in the line that affect tone, and people have different tastes.

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They sound great! But 500 a pickup? No thanks, I'll stick with my 57s!

Yeah no matter how good it sounds, there's no pick-up I'd really consider paying more than $200 or so for, maybe an original PAF, or a Shaw, because of the value that those pick-ups will hold over time.

As good as a $500 pick-up may sound, chances are there's a $100-$200 pick up that sounds just as good or better out there. And we have to remember, there's a bazillion other things in the line that affect tone, and people have different tastes.

Agreed. It really is insane how many things affect tone- Pups, the guitar itself, amps, pedals, and how you actually play the thing

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I've always heard amazing things about Ibanez Tubescreamers. Specifically the originals, but they'll set you back about 250 bucks on ebay.

I bought a Tubescreamer about a month ago (a TS9, not the reissue) but it came broken and I just sent it back.

They are good pedals and the originals are legendary, but they are designed to boost the sound of your amp. My amp doesn't really have a good drive channel so I need something to compensate. I'll probably get a Tubescreamer eventually, though. They are great tools to have in your bag of tricks!

I really want the Bogner Ecstasy Blue but its about $300. I'll get one sometime this year probably but need an easy short term solution. I'm thinking a Fulldrive 2 or GT 500 by Fulltone.

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As long as you're going through a full tube anyway, I would think you wouldn't need a $300 pedal. I'd just test some out at a music store. I use a Vox Tonelab and fucking LOVE the sounds I can get out of it. Tube preamp built in also, very customizable. I get great hard rock tone out of it.

BTW I use a Marshall VS232 as my gigger, but I have an original Fender Blues DeVille in my studio.

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As long as you're going through a full tube anyway, I would think you wouldn't need a $300 pedal. I'd just test some out at a music store. I use a Vox Tonelab and fucking LOVE the sounds I can get out of it. Tube preamp built in also, very customizable. I get great hard rock tone out of it.

BTW I use a Marshall VS232 as my gigger, but I have an original Fender Blues DeVille in my studio.

Yeah, there'd be a lot I'd be fine with but I got my perfect tone with the Bogner. I have to have it for that one sound one day lol

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Anyone hear have an evertune guitar bridge? They're god damn amazing. The guitar stays in tuned forever, and it doesn't include the pain in the assery that is a Floyd Rose. But the price tag scares me, as does it requiring to take a chunk out of my guitar, particularly my les paul.

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I finally got an OD pedal! I bought a Fulldrive 2. I like it a lot, but am really looking forward to cranking it tonight (jamming with Mike420). I may fall in love with it but I may also have the opportunity to trade it in for the Bogner I want next week when I get payed.

Guess we will see!

Now I have that and a wah and eventually I'll pick up a delay, compressor, and distortion and my rig will be pretty much done!

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I finally got an OD pedal! I bought a Fulldrive 2. I like it a lot, but am really looking forward to cranking it tonight (jamming with Mike420). I may fall in love with it but I may also have the opportunity to trade it in for the Bogner I want next week when I get payed.

Guess we will see!

Now I have that and a wah and eventually I'll pick up a delay, compressor, and distortion and my rig will be pretty much done!

Great jam man!!!

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I finally got an OD pedal! I bought a Fulldrive 2. I like it a lot, but am really looking forward to cranking it tonight (jamming with Mike420). I may fall in love with it but I may also have the opportunity to trade it in for the Bogner I want next week when I get payed.

Guess we will see!

Now I have that and a wah and eventually I'll pick up a delay, compressor, and distortion and my rig will be pretty much done!

Great jam man!!!

Yeah man, that was fucking killer!

I just got home and my ears are buzzing!

And I'm skipping the Bogner for now, I really liked the Fulldrive

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