bigcountry Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 Everytime someone post about a live song or concert being the best GNR has done you get the same old The Ritz 88 is the best.I hate to tell you all that think the ritz 88 show is best, it really sucks in comparision to most 2006-prestent GNR concerts. Axl sounds like shit most of the ritz show and slash just about fucks up every solo. I know it was more of a club atmoshere but and raw and all of that. I was around back then and thought it was great at the time but I am not so closed minded to say nothing compares.If Bumblefoot, Axl or anyone else made as many mistakes as where made at the 88 ritz show they would be ripped apart by most everyone here.The ritz show has it place in GNR history, not doubt it is a classic but far from the best.
Binge_And_Slash Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 It ain't even great 'cos all they do is AFD and KOHD. And they end the show on Rocket Queen. Snore.
loko Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 Everytime someone post about a live song or concert being the best GNR has done you get the same old The Ritz 88 is the best.I hate to tell you all that think the ritz 88 show is best, it really sucks in comparision to most 2006-prestent GNR concerts. Axl sounds like shit most of the ritz show and slash just about fucks up every solo. I know it was more of a club atmoshere but and raw and all of that. I was around back then and thought it was great at the time but I am not so closed minded to say nothing compares.If Bumblefoot, Axl or anyone else made as many mistakes as where made at the 88 ritz show they would be ripped apart by most everyone here.The ritz show has it place in GNR history, not doubt it is a classic but far from the best.+1
FuddMckagan Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 It's a good show.Roxy 01.18.86 is better though (best Don't Cry ever)
Daedalus Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 Everytime someone post about a live song or concert being the best GNR has done you get the same old The Ritz 88 is the best.I hate to tell you all that think the ritz 88 show is best, it really sucks in comparision to most 2006-prestent GNR concerts. Axl sounds like shit most of the ritz show and slash just about fucks up every solo. I know it was more of a club atmoshere but and raw and all of that. I was around back then and thought it was great at the time but I am not so closed minded to say nothing compares.If Bumblefoot, Axl or anyone else made as many mistakes as where made at the 88 ritz show they would be ripped apart by most everyone here.The ritz show has it place in GNR history, not doubt it is a classic but far from the best.and more energy, more rock 'n' roll-ish, and the "magic"... :xmasssanta:
The Glow Inc. Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 I...kinda agree withif Bumblefoot, Axl or anyone else made as many mistakes as where made at the 88 ritz show they would be ripped apart by most everyone here.It's true though that classic guns had way more attitude and that's probably what made the shows cooler.As for me, I'm a guitar geek, so there's no wonder why I love NuGuns and never cared too much for Guns n' Roses to begin with.
sergiodefenders Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 It's not a great show musically, but at least is a GENUINE show of Guns n' Roses, there're not guys pretending be Guns n' Roses there, that's Guns n' Roses, that point make it epic and hsitorical.
AmyL Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 Everytime someone post about a live song or concert being the best GNR has done you get the same old The Ritz 88 is the best.I hate to tell you all that think the ritz 88 show is best, it really sucks in comparision to most 2006-prestent GNR concerts. Axl sounds like shit most of the ritz show and slash just about fucks up every solo. I know it was more of a club atmoshere but and raw and all of that. I was around back then and thought it was great at the time but I am not so closed minded to say nothing compares.If Bumblefoot, Axl or anyone else made as many mistakes as where made at the 88 ritz show they would be ripped apart by most everyone here.The ritz show has it place in GNR history, not doubt it is a classic but far from the best.the Ritz 88 show was one of the best and one of the worst gnr shows ever. I know what your saying about the energy and all. The energy that Axl had was amazing. But I would have to say all the rest of the guys seemed totally fucked up. lol And it comes off pretty good on video but the sound problems that night were horrible. And that leads to why I love the current band more. One the sound crews are tons better, two the band isn't getting on stage completely blitzed {not that they aren't a little wasted once in a while} but over all the band is so much freakin' tighter then the original line up. Which is why I can sit back and say I like the old band for some reasons and the current line up for others. This last tour Axl gave everything he had in more. Not that he doesn't always. He just managed to pull it off so freakin' well this last time!!!!
sleeper Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 It's not a great show musically, but at least is a GENUINE show of Guns n' Roses, there're not guys pretending be Guns n' Roses there, that's Guns n' Roses, that point make it epic and hsitorical.This!
grigori Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 Everytime someone post about a live song or concert being the best GNR has done you get the same old The Ritz 88 is the best.I hate to tell you all that think the ritz 88 show is best, it really sucks in comparision to most 2006-prestent GNR concerts. Axl sounds like shit most of the ritz show and slash just about fucks up every solo. I know it was more of a club atmoshere but and raw and all of that. I was around back then and thought it was great at the time but I am not so closed minded to say nothing compares.If Bumblefoot, Axl or anyone else made as many mistakes as where made at the 88 ritz show they would be ripped apart by most everyone here.The ritz show has it place in GNR history, not doubt it is a classic but far from the best.Why would care if someone likes 88 shows over the current shows?I watch and listen to the live 80s concerts myself on YouTube all the time. Better than 90s and 2000s
eye2eye Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 It's not a great show musically, but at least is a GENUINE show of Guns n' Roses, there're not guys pretending be Guns n' Roses there, that's Guns n' Roses, that point make it epic and hsitorical.yup and theyre playing music THEY created. Say whatever you want, but at least THEY could come up with Paradise city, SCOM, WTTJ, mr brownstone, etc the songs 99 percent of us are here for. Nuguns will NEVER be able to make music on the same level. The fact of the matter is, if they actually could they wouldnt be using the GNR name.What a retarded thing to say. Stop living in the past kid. By your flawedd logic when I go and see for example Alice Cooper playing his old hits I should feel bad beacuse guys in the band ( bar Alice ) aren't playing music they created. And it doesn't matter that performance could be better and they behave like a tight band of friends, they didn't write this song - I'm idiot to pay for Alice Cooper ticket. I saw Guns N' Roses 3 times - 2 times in 2006 and once in 2010 and performance was spot on, without mistakes and band had chemistry and one could see that thaey enjoy playing together. On the other hand take any 92-93 show and it's clear that it is not the same band as it was back in late 80s. But to differ from Guns N' Roses , I'm huge Alice In Chains fan have all their records, dvd, some t-shirts and even autographed vinyl, I could play all Alice in Chains songs on guitar and I'm huge fan of Layne. When I was younger he was like a hero to me. And guess what back in 2009 I went to their concert in club , tickets were really hard to get so almost only hardcore AiC fans got them , as the venue was soemthing like 400 people big. And guess what smartass Layne is long gone, Mike Starr is gone. But it was the best fuckin' show I've ever attennded William DuVall wasn't playing music he wrote ( and it is far more extreme thing to replace singer who was heart & soul of the band than guitar player - any decent guitar player can play Slash stuff just give him Slash gear - yes it's that simple ) maybe AiC won't release another "Dirt" but it didn't matter as the energy was awesome and show was spot on. And whole venue loved it , many of them hearing William live for the very first time. Beacuse music is the most important not image , tophat or not by music Guns N' Roses stay up for that music and they are showing respect for that music and for guys who wrote as AiC is showing respect for Layne and Mike. They do not butcher those songs , Guns N' Roses isn't taking Rappers and Pop Stars to make those songs sound modern or more hip. They are showing more respect to those songs that your "hero" who would re-record AFD with Maroon 5, Pussycat Dolls, Cypress Hill if he could make some extra $$$. God bless Axl and at least he is standing there and won't allow it. Beacuse music is more important that extra $$$
hudsonsaul Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 I think why ppl say the Ritz show is one of the best, is not necessarily the band sounding at their best, more that it is one of the few proshot shows available to us that capture GnR in a way lots of ppl didn't get to see them. ALmost on top of the world, young, drunk, and before they exploded. It was them in the prime of their nitty gritty club gigs I guess, and this i think is more why ppl says its the best. Great shows don't have to have the guitarists and singers nailing everything perfectly.Wish more of the early days shows were out there in good quality. Cathouse from the It so Easy video for example, would be mean, and clearly proshot footage exists of it.
seely Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 The ritz show is awesome, technical difficulties aside (Best performance of 'Out Ta Get Me' there is IMO)..however Rock AM Ring 2006 >>> Every other GN'R live bootleg/show
mrandyk Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 And I hate when people say that the new band is better than the old one, if this band had to go off of their material alone it would be incredibly laughable (especially since they have none, cover band of a cover band). I enjoy CD and would definitely buy whatever album Axl might put out (if he ever gets another one out) but the 4 Guns albums were all much, much better than CD.
Martin Riggs Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 I think why ppl say the Ritz show is one of the best, is not necessarily the band sounding at their best, more that it is one of the few proshot shows available to us that capture GnR in a way lots of ppl didn't get to see them. ALmost on top of the world, young, drunk, and before they exploded. It was them in the prime of their nitty gritty club gigs I guess, and this i think is more why ppl says its the best. Great shows don't have to have the guitarists and singers nailing everything perfectly.Wish more of the early days shows were out there in good quality. Cathouse from the It so Easy video for example, would be mean, and clearly proshot footage exists of it.Exactly! The Ritz concert was the perfect representation of what early GNR meant to so many millions of people and why they became the last Great rock n roll band. It wasn't about being "perfect" in your playing or seeming polished...GNR was in it's essence enormous talent/potential running on the rails and it embodied the liberation and wildness of what rock n roll is in its greatest moments.If you don't get that, then frankly, you don't get what Guns N Roses was all about.
eye2eye Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Duff, Izzy somehow acknowleged that this line up is Guns N' Roses when they took the stage with them wonder why some posters can't live past the fact that as great as old line-up was it isn't coming back and should at least respect both new GN'R material and anything former members came up with. Izzy and Duff moved on and are not living in the past , some memebers should move on as well.
grigori Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Duff, Izzy somehow acknowleged that this line up is Guns N' Roses when they took the stage with them wonder why some posters can't live past the fact that as great as old line-up was it isn't coming back and should at least respect both new GN'R material and anything former members came up with. Izzy and Duff moved on and are not living in the past , some memebers should move on as well.Why would one respect new GN'R material if one doesn't like the music? Arguments on semantics will never be settled and no one is living in the past, present, or future. Everyone has different opinions, positive or negative.
GNR123GNR456 Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) its just a band some im not gonna keep arguing over it, but for me and a lot of other people. A band isn't just a name. Its about the music they create. im sorry, but CD is honestly one of the worst rock ablums ive ever heard. Theres no way I could ever associate just a pile of hogshit to Guns N' Roses. As far as Im concerned, GNR was stricken with cancer when izzy and steven left, and it died when slash left.Funny how is this argument continues in virtually every thread, in every section, every day.But, here's the thing I don't understand. You say Chinese Democracy is garbage. Why? The lyrics, the guitar, the vocal's? Nah, probably because you listened to it with a hard-headed thought process of "there's no Slash, this has got to suck." "This isn't Guns N' Roses!" Your comparing two different bands. It's like comparing The Beatles to AC/DC. Two completely different sound's. Sure, the name's the same. But, th bandmates have changed and moved on with their lives. Sure, it may not be the GN'R of 1985-1993, but it's damn good if given a chance. Which sadly alot of people are not because "THERES NO SLASH!!!"What I did, is I listened to Chinese Deomcracy like any other Rock record. I loved it. Sure, Slash is gone, it's not the old band. But how can you say song's like Better, Madagascar, There Was a Time, and Chinese Demcracy are horrible? The cancer of Guns N' Roses effected GN'R in June of 1985, and was cured and treated October of 1996. Edited March 26, 2011 by GNR123GNR456
grigori Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 As far as Im concerned, GNR was stricken with cancer when izzy and steven left, and it died when slash left. hey i really liked that quote. that really sticks in my mind.
GNR123GNR456 Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Duff, Izzy somehow acknowleged that this line up is Guns N' Roses when they took the stage with them wonder why some posters can't live past the fact that as great as old line-up was it isn't coming back and should at least respect both new GN'R material and anything former members came up with. Izzy and Duff moved on and are not living in the past , some memebers should move on as well.You are making assumptions because that is what you want to believe...... Just because they are still friendly with Axl and play with him ocassionally does not mean they recognize the current band as GnR.............1999 Hard Force Mag interview with DuffHF: Don’t you think it’s a bit unfair to play this semi-Guns concert, given that the band’s not complete?DUff: We play together very often and what would be unfair would be to ask us to stop doing it. It would be like forbidding a kid to go play outside with his friends or telling him, if his parents were divorced, that he had to stop seeing one of them. But I think that, if we don’t want to form a band right now, it’s because we want to get away from that Guns image. We’d like to prove to ourselves that we are musicians. I left Guns N’ Roses because the band didn’t correspond to me anymore. What’s left of the band has nothing to do with what we had created. I even think what’s left is not Guns N’ Roses.HF: Now the obvious question - do you think GN’R has a future without you and Slash?D: Fans will be the real test. The group is likely to get away with it if they can go on a big tour, but I’m not even sure the public will come. When Led Zeppelin reformed without their bassist, John Paul Jones, I didn’t go see them. Page & Plant wasn’t Led Zeppelin. In my opinion, John Paul Jones played as big a role as the others and the band without him was worth nothing. I didn’t go see Aerosmith on tour with Jimmy Crespo and Rick Dufay [for the album Rock In A Hard Place ]. It wasn’t Aerosmith to me.2001 Izzy Classic Rock interview with Mick RockMR: How does he feel though knowing it's being said as a Guns N' Roses album?Izzy: "Well, it's obviously not Guns N' Roses. I think all the fans [know that]. It's not even right that he uses the name, because he's the only guy . I think ultimately it's gonna work agaist him because people are gonna say fuck you, wanker - that's what they'll call him here, right? 'You fucking wanker, that's not Guns N' Roses!' Hopefully, the maniac's good, cos if the music isn't good then he's gonna get the double-whammy..."I honestly do not think there was a heated rivalry between Izzy and Axl. Also, that interveiw answer look's very sarcastic, he called Axl a maniac for God sake's! Seem's like something a person would say as a joke with no hard-feeling toward's a guy.
GnR Chris Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Slash himself stated in his book, I believe, that Ritz wasn't nearly their best show. But you can clearly see when watching today that the band possessed a young, hungry energy then that can't be duplicated. As you said, it was raw and dirty and the small club atmosphere was exquisite. People say it's the best because it's one of the few decent quality recorded shows from the original lineup. I love that Ritz show, warts and all. "It's so Easy" and "My Michelle" ... good God. I wish I was there.
grigori Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 But how can you say song's like Better, Madagascar, There Was a Time, and Chinese Demcracy are horrible? There Was a Time is alright. Everything else is un-listenable to me. Better is terrible for my ears.
Dead Flower Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Everytime someone post about a live song or concert being the best GNR has done you get the same old The Ritz 88 is the best.I hate to tell you all that think the ritz 88 show is best, it really sucks in comparision to most 2006-prestent GNR concerts. Axl sounds like shit most of the ritz show and slash just about fucks up every solo. I know it was more of a club atmoshere but and raw and all of that. I was around back then and thought it was great at the time but I am not so closed minded to say nothing compares.If Bumblefoot, Axl or anyone else made as many mistakes as where made at the 88 ritz show they would be ripped apart by most everyone here.The ritz show has it place in GNR history, not doubt it is a classic but far from the best.lol
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