Axl's Relationship With The Fans

[MB.]

I don't have a relationship as a fan with Axl Rose, I have a relationship with his music. He could never hurt that!

It's the music, I like above all and I am thankfull he and the rest of the old line up has given that to me.

So what he does or in this case doesn't, I am not really interested in. If there will be more music, great! If not, all good I already have AFD, Lies, UYI I and II and even CD, I can live with that.

[Trilogy]

I don't have a relationship as a fan with Axl Rose, I have a relationship with his music. He could never hurt that!

It's the music, I like above all and I am thankfull he and the rest of the old line up has given that to me.

So what he does or in this case doesn't, I am not really interested in. If there will be more music, great! If not, all good I already have AFD, Lies, UYI I and II and even CD, I can live with that.

A few select people come here relentlessly to put their stupidity on display,and find fault in all things GNR related,why they bother I'll never know,my pov is to stay the hell away from things you don't like,nice post, by the way.

[grigori]

Having been a fan for over 20 years, I really don't get how fans expect anything else. If you're upset that Guns/Axl doesn't do what you want them/him to do, then you don't understand how this band operates. What blows my mind is how certain "fans" feel like we're living in the dark times of GNR productivity. Obviously you weren't around for the '94 to '01 period where all fans got were a fax about Slash leaving, a mug shot of Axl, one interview on MTV, and a decent but half baked song (Oh My God). In the last two years we actually got Chinese Democracy and a year long world tour to promote it. Maybe it didn't follow what you wanted, but if I think back to when I was 16 this has been an unbelievable time to be a GNR fan.

All Axl and the band owes me as a fan is a hell of a show when I buy and ticket and their best effort when they choose to release new album. Other than that, they can do whatever they want; it really has no impact on my life. As Axl once said about those who wait for Chinese Democracy, go live your life. Yeah it sucks when some of the things intended do not come to fruition, but I don't remember Axl/GNR signing anything with their fans that holds them to it.

I don't know Axl or anyone else in the band personally, so I can't speak to their character. But I seriously doubt that their intentions is to purposely tease fans because it gets them off. The organization strikes me as one of good intentions, but for whatever the reasons are, just don't happen. Thankfully for me, I have my own life to worry about. I suggest you do the same.

Cheers,

Andrew

Excellent outlook Andrew, superb post

I'm going to be straight up honest. I didn't read Andrew's post because you gave thumbs up to it.

[Trilogy]

Having been a fan for over 20 years, I really don't get how fans expect anything else. If you're upset that Guns/Axl doesn't do what you want them/him to do, then you don't understand how this band operates. What blows my mind is how certain "fans" feel like we're living in the dark times of GNR productivity. Obviously you weren't around for the '94 to '01 period where all fans got were a fax about Slash leaving, a mug shot of Axl, one interview on MTV, and a decent but half baked song (Oh My God). In the last two years we actually got Chinese Democracy and a year long world tour to promote it. Maybe it didn't follow what you wanted, but if I think back to when I was 16 this has been an unbelievable time to be a GNR fan.

All Axl and the band owes me as a fan is a hell of a show when I buy and ticket and their best effort when they choose to release new album. Other than that, they can do whatever they want; it really has no impact on my life. As Axl once said about those who wait for Chinese Democracy, go live your life. Yeah it sucks when some of the things intended do not come to fruition, but I don't remember Axl/GNR signing anything with their fans that holds them to it.

I don't know Axl or anyone else in the band personally, so I can't speak to their character. But I seriously doubt that their intentions is to purposely tease fans because it gets them off. The organization strikes me as one of good intentions, but for whatever the reasons are, just don't happen. Thankfully for me, I have my own life to worry about. I suggest you do the same.

Cheers,

Andrew

Excellent outlook Andrew, superb post

I'm going to be straight up honest. I didn't read Andrew's post because you gave thumbs up to it.

Oh gee,and I rely so much on your impression of me

[wasted]

I don't want to be in a relationship right now.

[Trilogy]

Quite possibly the fans expect too much information they have no right to know,and take things too personally,when its not about them at all,but involves other unrelated,unpublicized matters,perhaps the fans (some of them at least) don't like having an icon/idol that does nothing in what they would consider a normal manner,and follows his own convictions and beliefs? In short,maybe the fans expect too much and have only themselves to blame for unrealistic expectatıons

[The Wicked Hand]

Unrealistic expectations....lol .... You are a fucking riot dude.

It's not unrealistic to think a band is gonna put out music when actually give a date, or say a video is coming soon, or show up for a show only for Axl not to or walkoff, or say that they'll release a followup the next two years. It's actualy very real when axl says he's gonna do something and then doesn't. I don't take it personally but I think since he kept the name guns n roses he should try harder to live up to it.

[Young_Gun]

Quite possibly the fans expect too much information they have no right to know,and take things too personally,when its not about them at all,but involves other unrelated,unpublicized matters,perhaps the fans (some of them at least) don't like having an icon/idol that does nothing in what they would consider a normal manner,and follows his own convictions and beliefs? In short,maybe the fans expect too much and have only themselves to blame for unrealistic expectatıons

Unrealistic expectations huh?? Did you even read the OP? I will re-cap it just for you

"We will be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs" RIR III, 2001

"The Better video should be out in a week or so" Late 2008

"It is this year" mid 2006, VMAs interview

"March 6th" The open letter to fans regarding the album release

There is heaps more but I think I have made my point. Fans are sick of being told something, and it never coming to fruition. That is actually worse then total silence, as it gets our hopes up. Do you understand now? I doubt you will.

[Trilogy]

Quite possibly the fans expect too much information they have no right to know,and take things too personally,when its not about them at all,but involves other unrelated,unpublicized matters,perhaps the fans (some of them at least) don't like having an icon/idol that does nothing in what they would consider a normal manner,and follows his own convictions and beliefs? In short,maybe the fans expect too much and have only themselves to blame for unrealistic expectatıons

Unrealistic expectations huh?? Did you even read the OP? I will re-cap it just for you

"We will be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs" RIR III, 2001

"The Better video should be out in a week or so" Late 2008

"It is this year" mid 2006, VMAs interview

"March 6th" The open letter to fans regarding the album release

There is heaps more but I think I have made my point. Fans are sick of being told something, and it never coming to fruition. That is actually worse then total silence, as it gets our hopes up. Do you understand now? I doubt you will.

So you have never been forced to alter plans,or made plans that for one reason or another fell through?You have never had to delay events due to unforseen circumstances?My it must be hard holding up that pesky halo,and be so self righteous that you feel qualified to judge someone you don't even know,that said,it is not out of the realm of possibilities that certain fans expect details and aspects of the business end of things,or personal information they may want,but not need,you don't have to know everthing in order to appreciate and relate to someones music and lyrics.

[Young_Gun]

Quite possibly the fans expect too much information they have no right to know,and take things too personally,when its not about them at all,but involves other unrelated,unpublicized matters,perhaps the fans (some of them at least) don't like having an icon/idol that does nothing in what they would consider a normal manner,and follows his own convictions and beliefs? In short,maybe the fans expect too much and have only themselves to blame for unrealistic expectatıons

Unrealistic expectations huh?? Did you even read the OP? I will re-cap it just for you

"We will be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs" RIR III, 2001

"The Better video should be out in a week or so" Late 2008

"It is this year" mid 2006, VMAs interview

"March 6th" The open letter to fans regarding the album release

There is heaps more but I think I have made my point. Fans are sick of being told something, and it never coming to fruition. That is actually worse then total silence, as it gets our hopes up. Do you understand now? I doubt you will.

So you have never been forced to alter plans,or made plans that for one reason or another fell through?You have never had to delay events due to unforseen circumstances?My it must be hard holding up that pesky halo,and be so self righteous that you feel qualified to judge someone you don't even know,that said,it is not out of the realm of possibilities that certain fans expect details and aspects of the business end of things,or personal information they may want,but not need,you don't have to know everthing in order to appreciate and relate to someones music and lyrics.

Of course i have had to alter/cancel plans. But when i do, i have the common decency and courtesy to inform people of those said changes. "Sorry man, i can't make it tonight because of _____". Axl has never done that. Try weasel out of this one bro.

[droezle]

Axl's Relationship With The Fans

Does he has one?

[EduardoGNR]

Axl's Relationship With The Fans

Does he has one?

He takes our money, but he doesn't really like us, kind of like a ....

[ThinkAboutYou]

I think Axls been pretty cool to the fans

in 2009-2010 he seemed alot more fan friendly when meeting fans

Plus I really enjoyed the axl chats

[Trilogy]

Quite possibly the fans expect too much information they have no right to know,and take things too personally,when its not about them at all,but involves other unrelated,unpublicized matters,perhaps the fans (some of them at least) don't like having an icon/idol that does nothing in what they would consider a normal manner,and follows his own convictions and beliefs? In short,maybe the fans expect too much and have only themselves to blame for unrealistic expectatıons

Unrealistic expectations huh?? Did you even read the OP? I will re-cap it just for you

"We will be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs" RIR III, 2001

"The Better video should be out in a week or so" Late 2008

"It is this year" mid 2006, VMAs interview

"March 6th" The open letter to fans regarding the album release

There is heaps more but I think I have made my point. Fans are sick of being told something, and it never coming to fruition. That is actually worse then total silence, as it gets our hopes up. Do you understand now? I doubt you will.

So you have never been forced to alter plans,or made plans that for one reason or another fell through?You have never had to delay events due to unforseen circumstances?My it must be hard holding up that pesky halo,and be so self righteous that you feel qualified to judge someone you don't even know,that said,it is not out of the realm of possibilities that certain fans expect details and aspects of the business end of things,or personal information they may want,but not need,you don't have to know everthing in order to appreciate and relate to someones music and lyrics.

Of course i have had to alter/cancel plans. But when i do, i have the common decency and courtesy to inform people of those said changes. "Sorry man, i can't make it tonight because of _____". Axl has never done that. Try weasel out of this one bro.

No weaseling needed,I doubt seriously you operate on the same level,with.the same criticisms that are aimed at GNR from every angle on an everyday basis,so your argument really isn't comparable,its not necessary nor needed forGNR to attempt to justify every action to you or anyone else,it would only serve to be disputed,misquoted,misinterpreted, and serve as more fodder for the people that shovel shit and rumors nonstop,if you like the music,that is enough,don't expect GNR to jump when incessantly prodded and provoked.

[Young_Gun]

Quite possibly the fans expect too much information they have no right to know,and take things too personally,when its not about them at all,but involves other unrelated,unpublicized matters,perhaps the fans (some of them at least) don't like having an icon/idol that does nothing in what they would consider a normal manner,and follows his own convictions and beliefs? In short,maybe the fans expect too much and have only themselves to blame for unrealistic expectatıons

Unrealistic expectations huh?? Did you even read the OP? I will re-cap it just for you

"We will be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs" RIR III, 2001

"The Better video should be out in a week or so" Late 2008

"It is this year" mid 2006, VMAs interview

"March 6th" The open letter to fans regarding the album release

There is heaps more but I think I have made my point. Fans are sick of being told something, and it never coming to fruition. That is actually worse then total silence, as it gets our hopes up. Do you understand now? I doubt you will.

So you have never been forced to alter plans,or made plans that for one reason or another fell through?You have never had to delay events due to unforseen circumstances?My it must be hard holding up that pesky halo,and be so self righteous that you feel qualified to judge someone you don't even know,that said,it is not out of the realm of possibilities that certain fans expect details and aspects of the business end of things,or personal information they may want,but not need,you don't have to know everthing in order to appreciate and relate to someones music and lyrics.

Of course i have had to alter/cancel plans. But when i do, i have the common decency and courtesy to inform people of those said changes. "Sorry man, i can't make it tonight because of _____". Axl has never done that. Try weasel out of this one bro.

No weaseling needed,I doubt seriously you operate on the same level,with.the same criticisms that are aimed at GNR from every angle on an everyday basis,so your argument really isn't comparable,its not necessary nor needed forGNR to attempt to justify every action to you or anyone else,it would only serve to be disputed,misquoted,misinterpreted, and serve as more fodder for the people that shovel shit and rumors nonstop,if you like the music,that is enough,don't expect GNR to jump when incessantly prodded and provoked.

Thanks Gunsguy. You're even talking like Axl now. Keep reaching bro, its quite funny to see what you will say just to protect the band

[Guest RonMexico82]

[Trilogy]

Quite possibly the fans expect too much information they have no right to know,and take things too personally,when its not about them at all,but involves other unrelated,unpublicized matters,perhaps the fans (some of them at least) don't like having an icon/idol that does nothing in what they would consider a normal manner,and follows his own convictions and beliefs? In short,maybe the fans expect too much and have only themselves to blame for unrealistic expectatıons

Unrealistic expectations huh?? Did you even read the OP? I will re-cap it just for you

"We will be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs" RIR III, 2001

"The Better video should be out in a week or so" Late 2008

"It is this year" mid 2006, VMAs interview

"March 6th" The open letter to fans regarding the album release

There is heaps more but I think I have made my point. Fans are sick of being told something, and it never coming to fruition. That is actually worse then total silence, as it gets our hopes up. Do you understand now? I doubt you will.

So you have never been forced to alter plans,or made plans that for one reason or another fell through?You have never had to delay events due to unforseen circumstances?My it must be hard holding up that pesky halo,and be so self righteous that you feel qualified to judge someone you don't even know,that said,it is not out of the realm of possibilities that certain fans expect details and aspects of the business end of things,or personal information they may want,but not need,you don't have to know everthing in order to appreciate and relate to someones music and lyrics.

Of course i have had to alter/cancel plans. But when i do, i have the common decency and courtesy to inform people of those said changes. "Sorry man, i can't make it tonight because of _____". Axl has never done that. Try weasel out of this one bro.

No weaseling needed,I doubt seriously you operate on the same level,with.the same criticisms that are aimed at GNR from every angle on an everyday basis,so your argument really isn't comparable,its not necessary nor needed forGNR to attempt to justify every action to you or anyone else,it would only serve to be disputed,misquoted,misinterpreted, and serve as more fodder for the people that shovel shit and rumors nonstop,if you like the music,that is enough,don't expect GNR to jump when incessantly prodded and provoked.

Thanks Gunsguy. You're even talking like Axl now. Keep reaching bro, its quite funny to see what you will say just to protect the band

Now this proves you have misplaced your cerebral matter,I'm not gunsguy,although given the choice Id rather be accused unjustly of being him than you,might want to back up and rethink that comment before you appear to be more of a fuckwit than you do at present,but continue with that chain of misinformation if you enjoy the public embarrassment

[Young_Gun]

Quite possibly the fans expect too much information they have no right to know,and take things too personally,when its not about them at all,but involves other unrelated,unpublicized matters,perhaps the fans (some of them at least) don't like having an icon/idol that does nothing in what they would consider a normal manner,and follows his own convictions and beliefs? In short,maybe the fans expect too much and have only themselves to blame for unrealistic expectatıons

Unrealistic expectations huh?? Did you even read the OP? I will re-cap it just for you

"We will be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs" RIR III, 2001

"The Better video should be out in a week or so" Late 2008

"It is this year" mid 2006, VMAs interview

"March 6th" The open letter to fans regarding the album release

There is heaps more but I think I have made my point. Fans are sick of being told something, and it never coming to fruition. That is actually worse then total silence, as it gets our hopes up. Do you understand now? I doubt you will.

So you have never been forced to alter plans,or made plans that for one reason or another fell through?You have never had to delay events due to unforseen circumstances?My it must be hard holding up that pesky halo,and be so self righteous that you feel qualified to judge someone you don't even know,that said,it is not out of the realm of possibilities that certain fans expect details and aspects of the business end of things,or personal information they may want,but not need,you don't have to know everthing in order to appreciate and relate to someones music and lyrics.

Of course i have had to alter/cancel plans. But when i do, i have the common decency and courtesy to inform people of those said changes. "Sorry man, i can't make it tonight because of _____". Axl has never done that. Try weasel out of this one bro.

No weaseling needed,I doubt seriously you operate on the same level,with.the same criticisms that are aimed at GNR from every angle on an everyday basis,so your argument really isn't comparable,its not necessary nor needed forGNR to attempt to justify every action to you or anyone else,it would only serve to be disputed,misquoted,misinterpreted, and serve as more fodder for the people that shovel shit and rumors nonstop,if you like the music,that is enough,don't expect GNR to jump when incessantly prodded and provoked.

Thanks Gunsguy. You're even talking like Axl now. Keep reaching bro, its quite funny to see what you will say just to protect the band

Now this proves you have misplaced your cerebral matter,I'm not gunsguy,although given the choice Id rather be accused unjustly of being him than you,might want to back up and rethink that comment before you appear to be more of a fuckwit than you do at present,but continue with that chain of misinformation if you enjoy the public embarrassment

Personally insulting me because you cant retort with anything constructive to say? Glad to see i struck a nerve, shows how seriously you take things.

Edited April 3, 2011 by Young_Gun

[Orsys]

No weaseling needed,I doubt seriously you operate on the same level,with.the same criticisms that are aimed at GNR from every angle on an everyday basis,so your argument really isn't comparable,its not necessary nor needed forGNR to attempt to justify every action to you or anyone else,it would only serve to be disputed,misquoted,misinterpreted, and serve as more fodder for the people that shovel shit and rumors nonstop,if you like the music,that is enough,don't expect GNR to jump when incessantly prodded and provoked.

Thanks Gunsguy. You're even talking like Axl now. Keep reaching bro, its quite funny to see what you will say just to protect the band

No, he's right. There would be many people misquoting, bitching and badgering Axl and the band even if they provided real time updates of everything they are doing. This band can't win that way. But you don't update for those people. You update for the real fans when there is something significant to update. Having said that, fans who are fed up with the way that GnR is, and it has been consistent for - well - since UYI days so 20 years(?), should really just move on. Whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive (use the term really lightly here) situation if you keep getting hit but you don't leave?

And just to ward off the 'abuse' debate, I didn't say whose fault is it that you are abused, but whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive situation. Big difference.

[Trilogy]

No weaseling needed,I doubt seriously you operate on the same level,with.the same criticisms that are aimed at GNR from every angle on an everyday basis,so your argument really isn't comparable,its not necessary nor needed forGNR to attempt to justify every action to you or anyone else,it would only serve to be disputed,misquoted,misinterpreted, and serve as more fodder for the people that shovel shit and rumors nonstop,if you like the music,that is enough,don't expect GNR to jump when incessantly prodded and provoked.

Thanks Gunsguy. You're even talking like Axl now. Keep reaching bro, its quite funny to see what you will say just to protect the band

No, he's right. There would be many people misquoting, bitching and badgering Axl and the band even if they provided real time updates of everything they are doing. This band can't win that way. But you don't update for those people. You update for the real fans when there is something significant to update. Having said that, fans who are fed up with the way that GnR is, and it has been consistent for - well - since UYI days so 20 years(?), should really just move on. Whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive (use the term really lightly here) situation if you keep getting hit but you don't leave?

And just to ward off the 'abuse' debate, I didn't say whose fault is it that you are abused, but whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive situation. Big difference.

Thank you,it is refreshing to see sanity hasn't dried up and died here.

[Young_Gun]

No weaseling needed,I doubt seriously you operate on the same level,with.the same criticisms that are aimed at GNR from every angle on an everyday basis,so your argument really isn't comparable,its not necessary nor needed forGNR to attempt to justify every action to you or anyone else,it would only serve to be disputed,misquoted,misinterpreted, and serve as more fodder for the people that shovel shit and rumors nonstop,if you like the music,that is enough,don't expect GNR to jump when incessantly prodded and provoked.

Thanks Gunsguy. You're even talking like Axl now. Keep reaching bro, its quite funny to see what you will say just to protect the band

No, he's right. There would be many people misquoting, bitching and badgering Axl and the band even if they provided real time updates of everything they are doing. This band can't win that way. But you don't update for those people. You update for the real fans when there is something significant to update. Having said that, fans who are fed up with the way that GnR is, and it has been consistent for - well - since UYI days so 20 years(?), should really just move on. Whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive (use the term really lightly here) situation if you keep getting hit but you don't leave?

And just to ward off the 'abuse' debate, I didn't say whose fault is it that you are abused, but whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive situation. Big difference.

Orsys with all due respect, please look back on some of the topics I have posted since i became a member here. You will see that I'm a pretty big fan of the band and am only negative maybe 20% of the time. But when there is a thread about AXL'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FANS I will be truthful and speak my mind on how he handles it. Doesn't mean I'm bitter about the band as a whole.

Edited April 3, 2011 by Young_Gun

[Trilogy]

No weaseling needed,I doubt seriously you operate on the same level,with.the same criticisms that are aimed at GNR from every angle on an everyday basis,so your argument really isn't comparable,its not necessary nor needed forGNR to attempt to justify every action to you or anyone else,it would only serve to be disputed,misquoted,misinterpreted, and serve as more fodder for the people that shovel shit and rumors nonstop,if you like the music,that is enough,don't expect GNR to jump when incessantly prodded and provoked.

Thanks Gunsguy. You're even talking like Axl now. Keep reaching bro, its quite funny to see what you will say just to protect the band

No, he's right. There would be many people misquoting, bitching and badgering Axl and the band even if they provided real time updates of everything they are doing. This band can't win that way. But you don't update for those people. You update for the real fans when there is something significant to update. Having said that, fans who are fed up with the way that GnR is, and it has been consistent for - well - since UYI days so 20 years(?), should really just move on. Whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive (use the term really lightly here) situation if you keep getting hit but you don't leave?

And just to ward off the 'abuse' debate, I didn't say whose fault is it that you are abused, but whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive situation. Big difference.

Orsys with all due respect, please look back on some of the topics I have posted since i became a member here. You will see that I'm a pretty big fan of the band and am only negative maybe 20% of the time. But when there is a thread about AXL'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FANS I will be truthful and speak my mind on how he handles it. Doesn't mean I'm bitter about the band as a whole.

y

It also doesn't make your opinion any more relevant or meaningful to those with opposing opinions,

orsys understands where I'm coming from,others do as well

Edited April 3, 2011 by Trilogy

[Young_Gun]

No weaseling needed,I doubt seriously you operate on the same level,with.the same criticisms that are aimed at GNR from every angle on an everyday basis,so your argument really isn't comparable,its not necessary nor needed forGNR to attempt to justify every action to you or anyone else,it would only serve to be disputed,misquoted,misinterpreted, and serve as more fodder for the people that shovel shit and rumors nonstop,if you like the music,that is enough,don't expect GNR to jump when incessantly prodded and provoked.

Thanks Gunsguy. You're even talking like Axl now. Keep reaching bro, its quite funny to see what you will say just to protect the band

No, he's right. There would be many people misquoting, bitching and badgering Axl and the band even if they provided real time updates of everything they are doing. This band can't win that way. But you don't update for those people. You update for the real fans when there is something significant to update. Having said that, fans who are fed up with the way that GnR is, and it has been consistent for - well - since UYI days so 20 years(?), should really just move on. Whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive (use the term really lightly here) situation if you keep getting hit but you don't leave?

And just to ward off the 'abuse' debate, I didn't say whose fault is it that you are abused, but whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive situation. Big difference.

Orsys with all due respect, please look back on some of the topics I have posted since i became a member here. You will see that I'm a pretty big fan of the band and am only negative maybe 20% of the time. But when there is a thread about AXL'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FANS I will be truthful and speak my mind on how he handles it. Doesn't mean I'm bitter about the band as a whole.

It also doesn't make your opinion any more relevant or meaningful to those with opposing opinions,

orsys understands where I'm coming from,others do as wellu

Who said my opinion was more relevant or meaningful?? I certainly did not. Are you seeing things again?? Things not all peachy in Guns N' Roses land for you??

[Orsys]

No weaseling needed,I doubt seriously you operate on the same level,with.the same criticisms that are aimed at GNR from every angle on an everyday basis,so your argument really isn't comparable,its not necessary nor needed forGNR to attempt to justify every action to you or anyone else,it would only serve to be disputed,misquoted,misinterpreted, and serve as more fodder for the people that shovel shit and rumors nonstop,if you like the music,that is enough,don't expect GNR to jump when incessantly prodded and provoked.

Thanks Gunsguy. You're even talking like Axl now. Keep reaching bro, its quite funny to see what you will say just to protect the band

No, he's right. There would be many people misquoting, bitching and badgering Axl and the band even if they provided real time updates of everything they are doing. This band can't win that way. But you don't update for those people. You update for the real fans when there is something significant to update. Having said that, fans who are fed up with the way that GnR is, and it has been consistent for - well - since UYI days so 20 years(?), should really just move on. Whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive (use the term really lightly here) situation if you keep getting hit but you don't leave?

And just to ward off the 'abuse' debate, I didn't say whose fault is it that you are abused, but whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive situation. Big difference.

Orsys with all due respect, please look back on some of the topics I have posted since i became a member here. You will see that I'm a pretty big fan of the band and am only negative maybe 20% of the time. But when there is a thread about AXL'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FANS I will be truthful and speak my mind on how he handles it. Doesn't mean I'm bitter about the band as a whole.

Sorry, wasn't using "you" specifically, used it generally. There is nothing wrong with suggesting better ways the band could be doing things or disagreeing with some of the actions. After all, Axl said himself of his discussion with Spuffy "Friendly banter by those with opposing views. " But for some, expecting otherwise all the time doesn't make sense to me. When i say it's time to move on, I direct that to those people who feel fed up by the actions, or inactions, of this band and need more of a relationship with the bands they follow. With this band, it - ain't - going - to - change.

Edited April 3, 2011 by Orsys

[Young_Gun]

No weaseling needed,I doubt seriously you operate on the same level,with.the same criticisms that are aimed at GNR from every angle on an everyday basis,so your argument really isn't comparable,its not necessary nor needed forGNR to attempt to justify every action to you or anyone else,it would only serve to be disputed,misquoted,misinterpreted, and serve as more fodder for the people that shovel shit and rumors nonstop,if you like the music,that is enough,don't expect GNR to jump when incessantly prodded and provoked.

Thanks Gunsguy. You're even talking like Axl now. Keep reaching bro, its quite funny to see what you will say just to protect the band

No, he's right. There would be many people misquoting, bitching and badgering Axl and the band even if they provided real time updates of everything they are doing. This band can't win that way. But you don't update for those people. You update for the real fans when there is something significant to update. Having said that, fans who are fed up with the way that GnR is, and it has been consistent for - well - since UYI days so 20 years(?), should really just move on. Whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive (use the term really lightly here) situation if you keep getting hit but you don't leave?

And just to ward off the 'abuse' debate, I didn't say whose fault is it that you are abused, but whose fault is it that you stay in an abusive situation. Big difference.

Orsys with all due respect, please look back on some of the topics I have posted since i became a member here. You will see that I'm a pretty big fan of the band and am only negative maybe 20% of the time. But when there is a thread about AXL'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FANS I will be truthful and speak my mind on how he handles it. Doesn't mean I'm bitter about the band as a whole.

Sorry, wasn't using "you" specifically, used it generally. There is nothing wrong with suggesting better ways the band could be doing things or disagreeing with some of the actions. After all, Axl said himself of his discussion with Spuffy "Friendly banter by those with opposing views. " But for some, expecting otherwise all the time doesn't make sense to me. When i say it's time to move on, I direct that to those people who feel fed up by the actions, or inactions, of this band and need more of a relationship with the bands they follow. With this band, it ain't going to change.

All sweet You're cool in my books bro. If other people spoke the way you did on here this place would be better. I see what you're saying. Can't say the same for other people who resort to name calling...