What do you hope CD II sounds like?

[Georgy Zhukov]

hopefully they get a video of Catcher done then radio will play it it will be the hit.

Wasn't there going to be a video for Better?

[Damn_Smooth]

hopefully they get a video of Catcher done then radio will play it it will be the hit.

Wasn't there going to be a video for Better?

It's coming out soon.

Hahahaha. In a week or two, right?

[Georgy Zhukov]

hopefully they get a video of Catcher done then radio will play it it will be the hit.

Wasn't there going to be a video for Better?

It's coming out soon.

Hahahaha. In a week or two, right?

I don't think soon is the word.

[Tyler Drama]

[Georgy Zhukov]

This is the best forum ever.

[wasted]

hopefully they get a video of Catcher done then radio will play it it will be the hit.

Wasn't there going to be a video for Better?

sources seem conflicted. in the chats yes, but billboard interview seemed like no. but would a video just disappear into hyperspace. it's got to the point where the a video would be a big thing for GNR. 20 years since the last one or something.

[Georgy Zhukov]

They should just move on and focus material for CDII. A video for Better would be confusing. You will have Bucket and Robin playing when they are not even in the band or Bumble and DJ playing when they didn't even record those parts. It will rip a hole in space and time and the universe will collapse.

[wasted]

They should just move on and focus material for CDII. A video for Better would be confusing. You will have Bucket and Robin playing when they are not even in the band or Bumble and DJ playing when they didn't even record those parts. It will rip a hole in space and time and the universe will collapse.

if it did exist then this is probably why it didn't. but if it was a montage of the tours new stuff could be added. moving on is probably the best thing I just cant help wanting videos for SOD, Catcher, TWAT, This I Love. but with MTV and youtube. I was watching some live songs from Pearl Jam from Twenty last night just on tv, so that could happen with Guns.

[Georgy Zhukov]

Lol MTV plays music videos? Since when?

Yeah I think every song on CD would have a great video. Though people would probably buy into it more with Bumble and DJ.

[wasted]

thats what I was saying with MTV as it is and youtube not really having scheduling as such what impact would a video have. channel V shows rock videos here everynight though. 30 seconds to Mars videos are normally pretty good.

Sorry could have a 2001 type video with the band playing on the moon.

[Tyler Drama]

They should just move on and focus material for CDII. A video for Better would be confusing. You will have Bucket and Robin playing when they are not even in the band or Bumble and DJ playing when they didn't even record those parts. It will rip a hole in space and time and the universe will collapse.

Gilby was in a couple (possibly all?) of the Illusion videos.

[Georgy Zhukov]

They should just move on and focus material for CDII. A video for Better would be confusing. You will have Bucket and Robin playing when they are not even in the band or Bumble and DJ playing when they didn't even record those parts. It will rip a hole in space and time and the universe will collapse.

Gilby was in a couple (possibly all?) of the Illusion videos.

Yeah I think he was in most of them. Izzy is actually really hard to spot in music videos. If you blink you miss him.

[Blummas]

Better question.

Would anyone buy it?

I mean- aside from the 700 diehards on the Internet.

me

[Bruno P.]

I would be sad if there wasn't a single ballad on CDII. I'm just gonna throw that out there.

This.

In my opinion, Ron improves every one of Bucket's solos live, and DJ doesn't butcher the old stuff as bad as Finck did. With Axl's influence, I see this band going a long way if they are allowed to do so.

DJ butchers some of Finck's solos though, but even Finck himself was too hit and miss playing his own solos live - SOD's solo sounded wonderful at times and a worthless piece of shit at times - and some of the old solos were painful to hear - like November Rain @ RIR 2006. All in all DJ does a very good job live and is doing well apart from his 09 shows. The guitarists had enough time to rehearse the songs and split the leads, that's why the actual tour is the best one to me. Apart from some fuck ups here and there and his constant smoking & look at me bullshit he is an improvement in a live setting to what Finck used to be...mostly for the old songs though.

I hope CD II sounds like an improvement to CD - I hope to hear Finck's, Brain's, Paul's and Bucket's songs like Shacklers, Catcher, Prostitute and Better mixed with Tommy's and Chris' songs if we get to hear those CD unreleased songs...add some of Frank's and Ron's playing and we're set, but for now I'd love to hear a brand new CD recorded and written by the 11' lineup. The momentum is very positive and much more positive than what used to be when the CD lineup was around, so why not take advantage of it? I expect a more straight rock n' roll "in your face" with lots of abnormall riffs/licks/solos, less industrial & eletronic.

So my point is - new CD released and then CD II later.

I wouldn't mind if the production is similar to CD. We have all this technology for music why not use it? The whole raw recording phase ended 10 years ago, even indie bands are putting more money into their work. It felt just right for CD. I love AFD and UYI as much as anyone, but you can't just recreate old albums, you need to evolve. I don't think they will go full on electronic but the industrial elements will still be there. I think they have everything down, they might just record a lot of tracks with Bumblefoot, DJ and Frank. I think they want to put the Buckethead, Brain and Finck days behind them.

I'd love to hear those tracks at some point, but not right now... release a brand new record in 2012 and the older CD songs several months later, or as B-side tracks...

[Georgy Zhukov]

Yeah, from what I've been hearing that they have like three or four albums worth of songs recorded and I guess there will be even more. I would love to hear brand new songs from this lineup as well as what was already recorded. I have a feeling DJ will record over Finck's stuff which is said because some of Finck's best work is allegedly on the unreleased tracks.

[Bruno P.]

I hope so. Apart from This I Love Finck disappointed me because most of the unheard solos were played by Bucket and even Ron, and even when he played they dont seem to be the main solos of the songs. I thought he would be a bigger part of the songs we hadnt heard but instead he was the secondary player on most. But Im fine with that because he was around when those songs were created so at least he had some original rhythm and lead ideas. Truth is I expected less Bucket and Ron and more Finck, but I was happy in the end because Finck was the secondary player in my books - Bucket and Ron were the main lead players at the time, the ones that surprised me and made me go "whoa" at every concert I heard. The ones that made me pay attention to every note they played...

Dont get me wrong though...Finck is a great studio guy and a decent live performer but the virtuosos that played in the band happen to be outworldly musicians and inventive/original yet melodically amazing players...and I dont even know if melodically amazing players is right.

[Georgy Zhukov]

I hope so. Apart from This I Love Finck disappointed me because most of the unheard solos were played by Bucket and even Ron, and even when he played they dont seem to be the main solos of the songs. I thought he would be a bigger part of the songs we hadnt heard but instead he was the secondary player on most. But Im fine with that because he was around when those songs were created so at least he had some original rhythm and lead ideas. Truth is I expected less Bucket and Ron and more Finck, but I was happy in the end because Finck was the secondary player in my books - Bucket and Ron were the main lead players at the time, the ones that surprised me and made me go "whoa" at every concert I heard. The ones that made me pay attention to every note they played...

Dont get me wrong though...Finck is a great studio guy and a decent live performer but the virtuosos that played in the band happen to be outworldly musicians and inventive/original yet melodically amazing players...and I dont even know if melodically amazing players is right.

My favorite Finck solos was the second solo in Better, This I Love and the first solo in SOD. Bucket and Ron were more spectacular. Ron had the least solos, he did Shackler's Revenge and Catcher in the Rye and half the solo in Scraped and Rhiad the other halfs were Buckethead. I think the little work he did made people want Buckethead and Finck back at first as they weren't sure about Ron even though he rocked in the 2006 tour and then DJ came into replace Slash who many only know him from Sixx A.M. Now those two are winning people over everynight.

If one or two songs remain in Bucket's and Fincks hands I'll be happy. But I guess it is time to move on.

[Bruno P.]

I hope so. Apart from This I Love Finck disappointed me because most of the unheard solos were played by Bucket and even Ron, and even when he played they dont seem to be the main solos of the songs. I thought he would be a bigger part of the songs we hadnt heard but instead he was the secondary player on most. But Im fine with that because he was around when those songs were created so at least he had some original rhythm and lead ideas. Truth is I expected less Bucket and Ron and more Finck, but I was happy in the end because Finck was the secondary player in my books - Bucket and Ron were the main lead players at the time, the ones that surprised me and made me go "whoa" at every concert I heard. The ones that made me pay attention to every note they played...

Dont get me wrong though...Finck is a great studio guy and a decent live performer but the virtuosos that played in the band happen to be outworldly musicians and inventive/original yet melodically amazing players...and I dont even know if melodically amazing players is right.

My favorite Finck solos was the second solo in Better, This I Love and the first solo in SOD. Bucket and Ron were more spectacular. Ron had the least solos, he did Shackler's Revenge and Catcher in the Rye and half the solo in Scraped and Rhiad the other halfs were Buckethead. I think the little work he did made people want Buckethead and Finck back at first as they weren't sure about Ron even though he rocked in the 2006 tour and then DJ came into replace Slash who many only know him from Sixx A.M. Now those two are winning people over everynight.

If one or two songs remain in Bucket's and Fincks hands I'll be happy. But I guess it is time to move on.

Ron played Scraped's and Riad's solos, yes, but Bucket did not touch them... Bucket plays the outro solo on both songs though - a great thing is that in Riad Ron plays a kinda guitar solo on the right channel kind of "challenging" Bucket's solo on the left, like a duet or duel and it complements Bucket's solo very well. Ron didn't do little work, he played on every song and mostly some lead fills and a lot of rhythm work, while Bucket and Robin played much more lead parts, but what I meant is that based on the leaked songs, I thought Robin would have a bigger role on the album as far as guitar solos go. Instead we heard lots of Bucket, some solos from Ron and only This I Love from Robin... that's why he disapponted me even though his work on the leaked tracks is huge.

[Georgy Zhukov]

I hope so. Apart from This I Love Finck disappointed me because most of the unheard solos were played by Bucket and even Ron, and even when he played they dont seem to be the main solos of the songs. I thought he would be a bigger part of the songs we hadnt heard but instead he was the secondary player on most. But Im fine with that because he was around when those songs were created so at least he had some original rhythm and lead ideas. Truth is I expected less Bucket and Ron and more Finck, but I was happy in the end because Finck was the secondary player in my books - Bucket and Ron were the main lead players at the time, the ones that surprised me and made me go "whoa" at every concert I heard. The ones that made me pay attention to every note they played...

Dont get me wrong though...Finck is a great studio guy and a decent live performer but the virtuosos that played in the band happen to be outworldly musicians and inventive/original yet melodically amazing players...and I dont even know if melodically amazing players is right.

My favorite Finck solos was the second solo in Better, This I Love and the first solo in SOD. Bucket and Ron were more spectacular. Ron had the least solos, he did Shackler's Revenge and Catcher in the Rye and half the solo in Scraped and Rhiad the other halfs were Buckethead. I think the little work he did made people want Buckethead and Finck back at first as they weren't sure about Ron even though he rocked in the 2006 tour and then DJ came into replace Slash who many only know him from Sixx A.M. Now those two are winning people over everynight.

If one or two songs remain in Bucket's and Fincks hands I'll be happy. But I guess it is time to move on.

Ron played Scraped's and Riad's solos, yes, but Bucket did not touch them... Bucket plays the outro solo on both songs though - a great thing is that in Riad Ron plays a kinda guitar solo on the right channel kind of "challenging" Bucket's solo on the left, like a duet or duel and it complements Bucket's solo very well. Ron didn't do little work, he played on every song and mostly some lead fills and a lot of rhythm work, while Bucket and Robin played much more lead parts, but what I meant is that based on the leaked songs, I thought Robin would have a bigger role on the album as far as guitar solos go. Instead we heard lots of Bucket, some solos from Ron and only This I Love from Robin... that's why he disapponted me even though his work on the leaked tracks is huge.

Wow that makes so much more sense now. Thank you for clearing that up. But I thought Robin also did Better (the bluesy solo) some of CD and SOD (I mean alot of it was obviously Buckethead) and the first solo in TWAT. I heard Robin did some of Catcher...but I thought it was Ron.

Here's where I get my info from.

http://elsewhere/2008/12/who-plays-guitar-solos.html

[Bruno P.]

Wow that makes so much more sense now. Thank you for clearing that up. But I thought Robin also did Better (the bluesy solo) some of CD and SOD (I mean alot of it was obviously Buckethead) and the first solo in TWAT. I heard Robin did some of Catcher...but I thought it was Ron.

Here's where I get my info from.

http://elsewhere/2008/12/who-plays-guitar-solos.html

I couldn't load the page for some reason, but apparently the link isn't right...

No problems. Robin played solos on Better, the 1st half of CD solo, Better outro solo, the first solo in TWAT, two solos in I.R.S. and the first SOD solo, but I was talking about the unheard tracks only - I thought he'd play more solos on those tracks such as Prostitute, Sorry, Shackler's, etc, but Ron and Bucket played most of those solos. He's had a huge impact on the first leaks (I.R.S., Better, TWAT, Riad, etc) but did not do much on the songs that were unheard before the CD release - the reworked Catcher, Sorry, Shackler's, This I Love, Prostitute and If The World.

Oh, and Robin only plays the lick before the Catcher chorus - Ron plays his solo and then Robin plays a lick before the chorus, but it isn't a solo by any means. Only a lick played when Ron's solo is over, before the "Catcher in the Rye again" vocal by Axl. And then Ron plays the outro solo, the one following Axl's vocals, like responding every word Axl says.

I dont know if I was clear, english isn't my first language so I'm sorry for any incovenience

Better yet, gonna show ya exactly what both of them play...

2:35 - 3:01 Ron

3:02 - 3:11 Robin

4:02 - 6:02 Ron

Edited November 26, 2011 by Bruno Poeys

[Georgy Zhukov]

Your english is better than mine and I've been learning it since birth! I'd love to hear the unheard tracks.

Oh and Bucket did that bad ass solo at the end of IRS, right?

Man you are cool, I am giving you 5 stars.

[Bruno P.]

Your english is better than mine and I've been learning it since birth! I'd love to hear the unheard tracks.

Haha no way! But thank you anyway and I was talking about the tracks that didn't leak before CD was released. Songs like Better, I.R.S and TWAT leaked before the Chinese release date and songs like Sorry, Prostitute and This I Love did not leak. By unheard tracks I meant unheard tracks at the time that Chinese came out. See? I couldn't even explain myself, that's why I apologized.

Oh and Bucket did that bad ass solo at the end of IRS, right?

Yup, that's Bucket kickin' ass. You can hear clearly by his killswitch usage right when the solo starts. When the solo's over, though, Ron plays a wah wah guitar on the right channel while Axl sings the chorus. It worked amazingly well I'd say

Man you are cool, I am giving you 5 stars.

Thank you! I don't know how this 5 stars thing work, but gotta give ya it as well :xmasssanta:

[Georgy Zhukov]

Your english is better than mine and I've been learning it since birth! I'd love to hear the unheard tracks.

Haha no way! But thank you anyway and I was talking about the tracks that didn't leak before CD was released. Songs like Better, I.R.S and TWAT leaked before the Chinese release date and songs like Sorry, Prostitute and This I Love did not leak. By unheard tracks I meant unheard tracks at the time that Chinese came out. See? I couldn't even explain myself, that's why I apologized.

Oh and Bucket did that bad ass solo at the end of IRS, right?

Yup, that's Bucket kickin' ass. You can hear clearly by his killswitch usage right when the solo starts. When the solo's over, though, Ron plays a wah wah guitar on the right channel while Axl sings the chorus. It worked amazingly well I'd say

Man you are cool, I am giving you 5 stars.

Thank you! I don't know how this 5 stars thing work, but gotta give ya it as well :xmasssanta:

I should have understood in the first place. Yeah, Bucket's killswitch was easily recognizable. Instead of a generic guitar solo, we get three different guitar solos by really talented guitarists.

So were the leaks actually different takes and unfinished tracks?

[Bruno P.]

Your english is better than mine and I've been learning it since birth! I'd love to hear the unheard tracks.

Haha no way! But thank you anyway and I was talking about the tracks that didn't leak before CD was released. Songs like Better, I.R.S and TWAT leaked before the Chinese release date and songs like Sorry, Prostitute and This I Love did not leak. By unheard tracks I meant unheard tracks at the time that Chinese came out. See? I couldn't even explain myself, that's why I apologized.

Oh and Bucket did that bad ass solo at the end of IRS, right?

Yup, that's Bucket kickin' ass. You can hear clearly by his killswitch usage right when the solo starts. When the solo's over, though, Ron plays a wah wah guitar on the right channel while Axl sings the chorus. It worked amazingly well I'd say

Man you are cool, I am giving you 5 stars.

Thank you! I don't know how this 5 stars thing work, but gotta give ya it as well :xmasssanta:

I should have understood in the first place. Yeah, Bucket's killswitch was easily recognizable. Instead of a generic guitar solo, we get three different guitar solos by really talented guitarists.

So were the leaks actually different takes and unfinished tracks?

Yup, they were unfinished. Ron and Frank weren't on those leaks and the songs weren't mixed and mastered properly. Axl added some vocal fills as well - the demon voice in TWAT and some of the screams in SOD outro. The final mix sounds much better, Axl's vocals are cleaner and if you want to hear this big difference I'm talking about listen to the Prostitute that was leaked by Cogill and the mastered track that was on the album. Bucket's outro solo sounds much better

Edited November 26, 2011 by Bruno Poeys

[Georgy Zhukov]

Bucket really made his mark in GN'R history on CD. Even though he walked away after one album (before it was even released) he will still remain the greatest guitarist GN'R ever had. Much respect to every other lead guitarist, and I think Bumblefoot is a very close second, but Buckethead was something special.