Roush Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Why do people believe Axl's Credit Limit is Guns 'N' Roses? Before, it was even on both ends. Some people believed the heart, and soul of GN'R resides in the total 'badass rawkery' of "Scraped". Some believed it was Duff's bass chords on "It's So Easy". And that's cool. Different tokes for different folks. Problem is: now it's almost taboo on here to believe GN'R was, like, totally awesomely successful because of songs like "Nightrain", and "Jungle". Or because of dudes like Axl, Duff, Izzy, and the five-lettered word that shan't be named.Is it really forum consensus that Guns 'N' Roses is basically Debutante Rose, and whomever he employs? Ain't that a bitch!To refrain - employs. That is not an actual band. That is working with someone under a pretense of: "I won't play with you, unless you cut me a check". Slash would work with Axl for free. So would Duff. So would Izzy. That's an earnest relationship, not a couple of session musicians working for guaranteed money. An *actual* band member invests his, or her time into the risk of failing, or succeeding WITH you. "With" is a very important word here. "Withness" (not a word) implied a level of dysfunctional democracy that helped a band of junkies from Los Angeles sell millions of records, and perhaps make the worst Bob Dylan cover of all-time.If anyone on this board, in any sober state of mind - believes that this band is anything more than Axl Rose's interpretation of a Diamond Dave solo tour - you're defying logic. And honestly - you're a dumb ass who probably sucked at Math because you were trying to look under your teacher's skirt (mine had amazing legs.)I am not defaming the quality of Chinese, the quality of the session players' character, the quality of Del James' literary showmanship, or the quality of the live shows. Clearly- it's comfortable for Axl to write checks, sing 20 year-old songs, and who can blame him? If I could pay other people to avoid confrontation with my former bandmates - I probably would, too. Before anyone gives me The Language Of Fear shit - I think Oh My God is a pretty cool song, and I'd probably hit on Beta if I had a few shots beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Why do people believe Axl's Credit Limit is Guns 'N' Roses? Before, it was even on both ends. Some people believed the heart, and soul of GN'R resides in the total 'badass rawkery' of "Scraped". Some believed it was Duff's bass chords on "It's So Easy". And that's cool. Different tokes for different folks. Problem is: now it's almost taboo on here to believe GN'R was, like, totally awesomely successful because of songs like "Nightrain", and "Jungle". Or because of dudes like Axl, Duff, Izzy, and the five-lettered word that shan't be named.Is it really forum consensus that Guns 'N' Roses is basically Debutante Rose, and whomever he employs? Ain't that a bitch!To refrain - employs. That is not an actual band. That is working with someone under a pretense of: "I won't play with you, unless you cut me a check". Slash would work with Axl for free. So would Duff. So would Izzy. That's an earnest relationship, not a couple of session musicians working for guaranteed money. An *actual* band member invests his, or her time into the risk of failing, or succeeding WITH you. "With" is a very important word here. "Withness" (not a word) implied a level of dysfunctional democracy that helped a band of junkies from Los Angeles sell millions of records, and perhaps make the worst Bob Dylan cover of all-time.If anyone on this board, in any sober state of mind - believes that this band is anything more than Axl Rose's interpretation of a Diamond Dave solo tour - you're defying logic. And honestly - you're a dumb ass who probably sucked at Math because you were trying to look under your teacher's skirt (mine had amazing legs.)I am not defaming the quality of Chinese, the quality of the session players' character, the quality of Del James' literary showmanship, or the quality of the live shows. Clearly- it's comfortable for Axl to write checks, sing 20 year-old songs, and who can blame him? If I could pay other people to avoid confrontation with my former bandmates - I probably would, too. Before anyone gives me The Language Of Fear shit - I think Oh My God is a pretty cool song, and I'd probably hit on Beta if I had a few shots beforehand. I think you've already had a few too many shots. If you believe that Slash, Duff and Izzy would play for free, you are simply delusional. And Beta, WTF man??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roush Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 It's like 2 PM over here. I'm just kidding about Beta. Of course they would work with Axl for free. They have all stated they would love to give it a shot. Play a concert, do a song, etc. They wouldn't opt to hourly pay like the current group. When you're paying someone thousands of dollars a year to write songs for you - you're either Britney Spears or Axl Rose. There's no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Forgive me if I missed the point but Chinese Democracy was a collaborative effort. I always find it strange that people don't want to say that it was a collaborative effort, more like Axl picking whatever sound his "hired hands" write. Each song has been written as a band by past and present band members. It has always been like that, always will be.No one here denies what the AFD/UYI lineup has done in the past, I just think the forum members here are more concerned with the present. If anybody wants to talk past GN'R there's another board for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 It's like 2 PM over here. I'm just kidding about Beta. Of course they would work with Axl for free. They have all stated they would love to give it a shot. Play a concert, do a song, etc. They wouldn't opt to hourly pay like the current group. When you're paying someone thousands of dollars a year to write songs for you - you're either Britney Spears or Axl Rose. There's no difference.Like I said, you're delusional. Part of the reason Izzy left is because Axl cut his pay. And as stated above, Axl isn't writing these songs on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I think I'm delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Devil Hill Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Actually, people that think GN'R is nothing without original members are in the MAJORITY. On this forum and in real life.I started reading your post, but stopped when you used the word, "Employs." You no longer sounded unbiased, and I didn't want to waste my time reading a biased post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roush Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 Did I not acknowledge the present? Then it's relevant in News & Disc. Yes, Chinese was OBVIOUSLY collaborative. Unless, magically, Axl can play guitar, bass, piano, and can speak fluent Chinese in the intro of the album. Answer "yes" or "no.Does Axl pays a bunch of guys to write songs? If "yes", then substitute "Axl" with "Britney", "Christina", or "Lady Gaga". It's the same formula. As uncomfortable as it is to here about what was once the most dangerous band in the world - it's also true.If "no", google 'Robin Finck GNR salary', and get back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Did I not acknowledge the present? Then it's relevant in News & Disc. Yes, Chinese was OBVIOUSLY collaborative. Unless, magically, Axl can play guitar, bass, piano, and can speak fluent Chinese in the intro of the album. Answer "yes" or "no.Does Axl pays a bunch of guys to write songs? If "yes", then substitute "Axl" with "Britney", "Christina", or "Lady Gaga". It's the same formula. As uncomfortable as it is to here about what was once the most dangerous band in the world - it's also true.If "no", google 'Robin Finck GNR salary', and get back to me.Axl paid a bunch of guys to write songs as soon as he took over the band. He paid your favorites to do the Spaghetti Incident. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roush Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 OK. Welp, that answers things. This forum really has changed a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Indeed, the current members get paid a salary but they also write the songs. And from the looks of it, it seems they love their "job".I heard that past members like Slash, Duff and Izzy were given salary too, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roush Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 I don't know how much clearer I can make my point. Axl didn't hire anyone to record Spaghetti - aside from Gilby. It was recorded along with the Illusions. Izzy's paycut was when the band started breaking up.Kill Devil Hill: the current dudes are employed. That is fact. I suppose I have a bias towards reality.BirdCatcher, they took a share in profits. Just like Axl. That's equality. Like running your own business, and having partners in it. Are you all for real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I don't know how much clearer I can make my point. Axl didn't hire anyone to record Spaghetti - aside from Gilby. It was recorded along with the Illusions. Izzy's paycut was when the band started breaking up.Kill Devil Hill: the current dudes are employed. That is fact. I suppose I have a bias towards reality.BirdCatcher, they took a share in profits. Just like Axl. That's equality. Like running your own business, and having partners in it. Are you all for real?Wrong. Matt was always an employee, and Slash and Duff became employees the moment that they signed over the name. Just because you don't like it, that doesn't make it any less true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roush Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 Were Slash, Izzy, and Duff being paid by Axl to write Appetite?Were Slash, Izzy, and Duff being paid by Axl to write Illusions?Were Robin, Bucket, Tommy, and brain being paid by Axl to write Chinese?They only took paychecks towards the end, when the band was breaking up. Not when they were writing songs like "November Rain". You all are looking for logistical holes that aren't there. This place now shares jarmo's mantra. Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Were Slash, Izzy, and Duff being paid by Axl to write Appetite?Were Slash, Izzy, and Duff being paid by Axl to write Illusions?Were Robin, Bucket, Tommy, and brain being paid by Axl to write Chinese?Were Slash, Duff and Izzy not paid to tour the Illusions?Were Slash and Duff not paid to play on the Spaghetti Incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Are you all for real?I think this answers your question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roush Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 Were Slash, Izzy, and Duff being paid by Axl to write Appetite?Were Slash, Izzy, and Duff being paid by Axl to write Illusions?Were Robin, Bucket, Tommy, and brain being paid by Axl to write Chinese?Were Slash, Duff and Izzy not paid to tour the Illusions?Were Slash and Duff not paid to play on the Spaghetti Incident?You didn't answer my questions. Here. I'll answer yours. 1. Spaghetti was recorded during the Illusions.. So no. 2. Of course they were paid, and not in equal sharing. That's what started the band breaking up. 3. Duh-hoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) Were Slash, Izzy, and Duff being paid by Axl to write Appetite?Were Slash, Izzy, and Duff being paid by Axl to write Illusions?Were Robin, Bucket, Tommy, and brain being paid by Axl to write Chinese?Were Slash, Duff and Izzy not paid to tour the Illusions?Were Slash and Duff not paid to play on the Spaghetti Incident?You didn't answer my questions. Here. I'll answer yours. 1. Spaghetti was recorded during the Illusions.. So no. 2. Of course they were paid, and not in equal sharing. That's what started the band breaking up. 3. Duh-hoy.Who cares when they were employees? It doesn't change the fact that they were employees. I'm sorry that you can't handle the truth about that, but that's your problem, not mine. Edited November 25, 2011 by Damn_Smooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Devil Hill Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Kill Devil Hill: the current dudes are employed. That is fact. I suppose I have a bias towards reality.Lulz.Move this to Dust N' Bones already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roush Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 Are you all for real?I think this answers your questionIs it a picture of a skull filled with Axl's semen? Hopefully that one you can grasp. I don't feel like writing a thesis paper on the art of sycophantic skull-fucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Are you all for real?I think this answers your questionIs it a picture of a skull filled with Axl's semen? Hopefully that one you can grasp. I don't feel like writing a thesis paper on the art of sycophantic skull-fucking.No it is a picture of Richey Edwards after he carved "4REAL" into his arm after a journalist questioned his credibility. Can you not see it or are you just trolling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roush Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 This board is more ridiculous than "This I Love". Which is pretty ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Are you all for real?I think this answers your questionIs it a picture of a skull filled with Axl's semen? Hopefully that one you can grasp. I don't feel like writing a thesis paper on the art of sycophantic skull-fucking.No it is a picture of Richey Edwards after he carved "4REAL" into his arm after a journalist questioned his credibility. Can you not see it or are you just trolling?I think he's just stupid. You don't need an Axl skull fucking to realize that this isn't 1993 anymore. He can whine about the split all that he wants to, but that won't change reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packersnroses Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Harvey Dent. Can we trust him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Are you all for real?I think this answers your questionIs it a picture of a skull filled with Axl's semen? Hopefully that one you can grasp. I don't feel like writing a thesis paper on the art of sycophantic skull-fucking.No it is a picture of Richey Edwards after he carved "4REAL" into his arm after a journalist questioned his credibility. Can you not see it or are you just trolling?I think he's just stupid. You don't need an Axl skull fucking to realize that this isn't 1993 anymore. He can whine about the split all that he wants to, but that won't change reality.Yeah, meanwhile how clever was my post image reply? I've been waiting for someone to ask me if I was for real just so I can have an excuse to post it.You can see it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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