uzi your illusion Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I'm reading this book "Everybody Loves Our Town :an oral history of grunge" , I just read this quote from Bryn Bridenthal who's listed as "Geffen Records Publicity Head". She starts talking about the day she found out and goes on to say "The first thing I did when I got back to my hotel room was call Axl, because I was afraid of how the news might impact him. He was such an emotional roller coaster, I was afraid that Axl would hurt himself. He felt things really deeply, and he felt a real connection there, even though there was no connection from the other side. I think he has a lot of empathy for Kurt. I was on the phone with Axl until about 3 in the morning. Ultimately, it was okay , but I don't remember what was said because I'd had so many hours and hours of those kinds of conversations with him. One time, I got off the phone with him and my teeth were chattering and I felt like I was energy inside his head. We were just talking on a level that wasn't in the here and now, that was just pure energy-an out-of-body experience, except that my body acts like it's freezing or something. it was just so intense."We have so little information or quotes or anything from Axl from 94-2001 so I figured some people might find this interesting. Also in the chats when someone asked him about Cobain he really kind of gave a classic Axl quote that was open to interpretation. Something like "I said I'm going onto Chinese now, he said whatever and walked away. Other then that I've been busy" . I think thats exact, I always found it really cool though and would love to hear more about how Axl feels about him now, this many years later. Theres another part in the book where it talks about how Axl's sister (who was working for guns at the time) calls up Bryn Bridenthal and says "Why won't they accept any of the help were offering?". This is right when they were about to break and Guns were offering them the opening spot, and Bryn responds with "You guys represent everything that there against. You're a big,successful, corporate million-dollar rock band. That's the antithesis of Nirvana" "But Axl didn't think of Guns in that way".And the last Axl bit I found was this U.K music publicist Anton Brookes. He says he walked into Kurt and Courtney's hotel room and sees Cobain with a needle hanging out of his arm, turning blue, and overdosing. Someone quickly revives him and tries to keep him awake so the Heroin can work it's way out of his system, but he's in bad shape. And it's not the first time Anton has seen this happen to him. So he's pissed that his friend is being so reckless and yells at Courtney and says "He's fucking turning into Axl Rose". Courtney tells Kurt this after he comes down and Kurt goes after Anton because to him thats the highest insult you can call someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyDRE Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 thanks for posting this.I think Axl looked at Kurt like a younger version of himself. similar backgrounds..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NewGNRnOldGNR Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I don’t think Kurt gave Axl a chance on a personal level. He saw the sell-out, pretentious, self-absorbed, ruthless caricature and drew his own assumptions. I think Axl and Kurt would have hit it off. & a collaboration between the 2 would perhaps have been the greatest happening for music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaida Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) I don’t think Kurt gave Axl a chance on a personal level. He saw the sell-out, pretentious, self-absorbed, ruthless caricature and drew his own assumptions. I think Axl and Kurt would have hit it off. & a collaboration between the 2 would perhaps have been the greatest happening for music.With big and make up, GN'R was apart of that type of scene for a while, then they became huge, and the huge GN'R was raw and the make up side dropped. Maybe thought it was total cheese, and nothing to do with that original look. As raw and heavy as their look was, along came Grunge and Nirvana, and Nirvana were as big as GN'R. The Grunge look and sound made GN'R not as raw. I wonder if Axl ever saw that as a threat, or wanted to change GN'R. Edited January 1, 2012 by vaida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I don’t think Kurt gave Axl a chance on a personal level. He saw the sell-out, pretentious, self-absorbed, ruthless caricature and drew his own assumptions. I think Axl and Kurt would have hit it off. & a collaboration between the 2 would perhaps have been the greatest happening for music.I think Kurt fired the first shot saying GN'R was untalented and pathetic. It's like he never listened to the band. I wish Kurt was able to see through the negative crap and the corporate multi million dollar record deals and see Axl as a fellow songwriter with similar backgrounds. It should also be admired that Axl does not take shit from people he admired. If Freddie Mercury or Elton John come on to him he is not going to give in.Axl did not understand how being a huge rock and roll band a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay410 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Thing is, how Axl Rose said "fuck you" to Jon Bon Jovi is the same as Kurt saying "Fuck Axl Rose". I think if Kurt were the big superstar before Axl, roles reversed, Axl would have done and said the same thing Kurt did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzi your illusion Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 thanks for posting this.I think Axl looked at Kurt like a younger version of himself. similar backgrounds.....No problem , I read it a few days ago and debated if anyone would care. Then figured that I would of liked to of heard it , had I not read the book. I think your right about Axl viewing Kurt a bit like that. Maybe he thought he could offer advice of what was to come at the top. From what I can tell , Kurt disliked Axl as a person even more then he disliked Guns as a band. He made a point more then once to reference the "One In A Million" lyrics, taking the use of the words as a blanket statement on what he figured Axl thought an entire culture was like. That combined with the fact that Axl was accused of assaulting a female neighbor and Erin, and Kurt had his mind made up about who he thought Axl was. I think the 2 were much more alike then Kurt wanted to admit. Theres another part in the book , before the beef between the two bands. Axl asks his management to get him backstage at a Nirvana show. He wanted to meet Kurt, and Nirvana's manager knew that Kurt wouldn't want any part of it. So someone told Kurt and he hid on the fire escape while Axl came into the dressing room, and the manager told Axl "you must of just missed them". I wonder if that meeting would of happened, if Kurt would of been a little more open minded , could a friendship of been stuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Thing is, how Axl Rose said "fuck you" to Jon Bon Jovi is the same as Kurt saying "Fuck Axl Rose". I think if Kurt were the big superstar before Axl, roles reversed, Axl would have done and said the same thing Kurt did.Nah not really. Bon Jovi is a jealous douchebag with a personal vendetta.Kurt "hated Axl" because what he represented, rather than getting to know Axl at all. He was making bank on being the anti-hero of rock n' roll and succumbed to pressure of the media/what was expected of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NewGNRnOldGNR Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I think Kurt fired the first shot saying GN'R was untalented and pathetic. It's like he never listened to the band. I think there was also a lot of pressure on Kurt to rip on people like Axl Rose (a representation of the old wave of rock star) rather than co-operate or affiliate. The disdain was to assert Nirvana’s position as the biggest and most important act.There must have a massive sensation of isolation for people like Axl when the Grunge Movement became massive imploding old school rock. I think this in part explains Axl’s shift to an unorthodox GN’R vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NewGNRnOldGNR Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Thing is, how Axl Rose said "fuck you" to Jon Bon Jovi is the same as Kurt saying "Fuck Axl Rose". I think if Kurt were the big superstar before Axl, roles reversed, Axl would have done and said the same thing Kurt did.You have a point. Axl was ripping on the likes of Jovi/KISS/Iron Maiden as the major acts of a defunct approach; then Kurt done the same with GN’R.It’s all fickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justynius Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Always seemed to me Kurt Cobain was openly bisexual, and perhaps leaning a bit closer to flat out full homosexual than many are willing to believe. Hence, the hostile response to positive feedback from the author of 'One in a Million'. You take a closer look at most Nirvana songs and the majority of it really is a homosexual agenda hidden under the socially (and commercially) acceptable guise of outsider angst against high school preps. And this doesn't even factor in all the interviews, going on stage in dresses, etc.'In Bloom' is definitely aimed at a whole culture of Nirvana listeners, but always thought the "likes to shoot his gun" line was thrown in to make sure it was perfectly clear of one specific target.Also, as much as Cobain enjoyed ripping on GN'R for being sellouts, his marriage to Courtney Love was exactly that - burying his true nature and individuality for what others wanted him to be. "Married, buried" indeed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I think Slash was gay too. He'd always smoke a phallic cigarette and drink out of a phallic bottle and play a phallic guitar. Penises. He must have been gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Courtney was a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verruckt Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Always seemed to me Kurt Cobain was openly bisexual, and perhaps leaning a bit closer to flat out full homosexual than many are willing to believe. Hence, the hostile response to positive feedback from the author of 'One in a Million'. You take a closer look at most Nirvana songs and the majority of it really is a homosexual agenda hidden under the socially (and commercially) acceptable guise of outsider angst against high school preps. And this doesn't even factor in all the interviews, going on stage in dresses, etc.That's an interesting interpretation. Not really buying it. Can you give some examples of Nirvana lyrics that represent this supposed "homosexual agenda"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I think Slash was gay too. He'd always smoke a phallic cigarette and drink out of a phallic bottle and play a phallic guitar. Penises. He must have been gay.His name is slang for urinating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NewGNRnOldGNR Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Always seemed to me Kurt Cobain was openly bisexual, and perhaps leaning a bit closer to flat out full homosexual than many are willing to believe. Hence, the hostile response to positive feedback from the author of 'One in a Million'. You take a closer look at most Nirvana songs and the majority of it really is a homosexual agenda hidden under the socially (and commercially) acceptable guise of outsider angst against high school preps. And this doesn't even factor in all the interviews, going on stage in dresses, etc.I don’t think so. Kurt was an experimental, open, progressive person so indeed there’d have been a certain degree of resentment for Axl’s “conservatism”. But specifically because Kurt himself was a homosexual? No I don’t believe so. He was an emotional person so was perhaps irked with Axl’s threat to self-prerogative. I mean the Axl of the 90s was different to the naive kid of the 80s. He even referenced the rampancy of AIDs when presenting Elton John with his Rock Hall induction. I believe it was more political (in terms of music and Axl’s media representation) rather than a personal agenda against Axl’s social opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanedog Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 This to me is Axl being upset that Kurt would never let him help Nirvana become even bigger, Axl seems almost jealous of the Alternative scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 This to me is Axl being upset that Kurt would never let him help Nirvana become even bigger, Axl seems almost jealous of the Alternative scene.Wouldn't say jealous but he wanted to connect with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlsalinger Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Thanks for posting this. I always liked Nirvana, from the beginning I could see how talented Kurt was although I didn't particularly like his attitude or the whole "anti-rock-star" thing. It's too bad he hated Guns because it caused a lot of antipathy in both fanbases that I found really frustrating, being a member of both parties. Kurt's whole thing back then was trying to maintain a punk and indie street cred, and GNR was the biggest band on the planet so he had an issue with them as being too corporate and mainstream. I have a theory that Kurt basically saw the mainstream in general as this sort of abstract enemy, a bunch of sellouts to make fun of, and it really affected him when he himself joined that group. He just couldn't believe it, and it really caused him to hate himself for selling out in some weird way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use Your Delusion 1 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 http://www.avclub.com/articles/part-2-1991-whats-so-civil-about-war-anyway,46507/amazing article on the two of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Kurt Cobain started the hipster trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzi your illusion Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 I like a lot of their music but really dislike his attitude about the whole thing. It's not just his either, Dave Grohl is the same way. They do "Headbangers Ball" and they show up disinterested and giving one word answers , just being pricks in general. Because they were punk rockers and resented being on a metal show. Well it's not punk rock to take the free press and act like assholes, it would of been punk rock to just not of done the show. The whole being a rock star while saying "I don't wanna be a rock star" is the thing that makes it hard for me to connect deeper with their music. As for Grohl, he's quick to say all the time about how Guns became bloated and a joke during the UYI tours with the back up singers and orchestra. Then I watch this documentary on the Foo Fighters last year, and at the end of it it's got Dave and the boys playing with both back up singers along with a bunch of other extra instrumentation. Playing stadiums and releasing hard rock songs with pop sensibilities. Maybe he's realized as an artist you grow to want more from your craft and you evolve to something more then you were before. But don't trash someone for coming to that realization before you did. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a rock star, it's just so lame when you act like someone is forcing you to play a certain type of music or play a certain type of venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyDRE Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Always seemed to me Kurt Cobain was openly bisexual, and perhaps leaning a bit closer to flat out full homosexual than many are willing to believe. Hence, the hostile response to positive feedback from the author of 'One in a Million'. You take a closer look at most Nirvana songs and the majority of it really is a homosexual agenda hidden under the socially (and commercially) acceptable guise of outsider angst against high school preps. And this doesn't even factor in all the interviews, going on stage in dresses, etc.'In Bloom' is definitely aimed at a whole culture of Nirvana listeners, but always thought the "likes to shoot his gun" line was thrown in to make sure it was perfectly clear of one specific target.Also, as much as Cobain enjoyed ripping on GN'R for being sellouts, his marriage to Courtney Love was exactly that - burying his true nature and individuality for what others wanted him to be. "Married, buried" indeed....what a load of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Too bad Stephanie didn't shut her trap when Axl and Kurt had their little exchange. Courtney totally won that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledzep Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) I like a lot of their music but really dislike his attitude about the whole thing. It's not just his either, Dave Grohl is the same way. They do "Headbangers Ball" and they show up disinterested and giving one word answers , just being pricks in general. Because they were punk rockers and resented being on a metal show. Well it's not punk rock to take the free press and act like assholes, it would of been punk rock to just not of done the show. The whole being a rock star while saying "I don't wanna be a rock star" is the thing that makes it hard for me to connect deeper with their music. As for Grohl, he's quick to say all the time about how Guns became bloated and a joke during the UYI tours with the back up singers and orchestra. Then I watch this documentary on the Foo Fighters last year, and at the end of it it's got Dave and the boys playing with both back up singers along with a bunch of other extra instrumentation. Playing stadiums and releasing hard rock songs with pop sensibilities. Maybe he's realized as an artist you grow to want more from your craft and you evolve to something more then you were before. But don't trash someone for coming to that realization before you did. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a rock star, it's just so lame when you act like someone is forcing you to play a certain type of music or play a certain type of venue.dude, this perfectly sums up my exact thoughts on nirvana/cobain. i used to really like em, but eventually their hypocritical, whiny attitude about being "anti-mainstream" and similar bullshit made me disdain them. ffs, how can you be against mainstream, when you're on fucking MTV whole day, give a whole unplugged show, appear on "top of pops" and on a corporate music magazine with a shirt "corporate mags still suck". why then bother doing all that stuff?also, how can he be so judgemental of Axl by taking literally two words out of context and follow that with a song "rape me", which had such gibberish lyrics that made his claim of that song being "anti-rape" plain horseshit. Edited January 1, 2012 by sledzep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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