Georgy Zhukov Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) Oh my god, do people really think Chinese Democracy is the best album ever?It's actually one of my favorite works of art, in any medium. The way it makes me feel is amazing.That's one thing. But claiming that it is the best album in the world is laughableMaybe since Kid A.So many people can't just admit its a good album and when they do they don't give credit to the band members and just dismiss Axls vocals as autotune. Edited January 7, 2012 by BirdCatcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid A Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Oh my god, do people really think Chinese Democracy is the best album ever?It's actually one of my favorite works of art, in any medium. The way it makes me feel is amazing.That's one thing. But claiming that it is the best album in the world is laughableMaybe since Kid A.So many people can't just admit its a good album and when they do they don't give credit to the band members and just dismiss Axls vocals as autotune.I mean, I enjoyed Chinese Democracy, and I'd say it's fair to say it was a 'good album'.Now, did I enjoy it because of the song quality, or because of the long wait, years of desire and interest in hearing it, and the fact that it was the first record put out by one of my childhood favorite bands that I could buy on the opening day? I don't know.I think a lot of why I enjoyed it so much was the feelings associated with it, and not neccisarily the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use Your Delusion 1 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 everyone should be allowed to have their opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 'Chinese Democracy' has been available to purchase since November 2008, so now you've had time to fully digest the album and everything, what is your view on it?My view on 'Chinese Democracy'? Well first, I think it's so different from the music that the band started with. To me, it's like comparing 'The White Album' (1968) to 'Meet the Beatles!' (1964). I always think of everything in terms of The Beatles, because I'm just a big Beatles fanatic. To me, 'Appetite For Destruction' came out, and that was everything up until 'A Hard Day's Night' (1964) - it was the thing that just blew everyone away. Shea Stadium, 1965, couldn't even hear the band; it was just the audience screaming, and pissing in their pants. As they then started getting more into the musical side of things with the 'Use Your Illusion' albums, that is equivalent to getting more into 'Revolver' (1966) and 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band' (1967), where it was becoming more musical. It wasn't just attitude and rock 'n' roll - they were starting to really compose. Now The Beatles, they kept on putting albums out and you can chart the changes as the band morphed into what they became in their last few years, with 'The White Album', 'Let It Be' (1970), 'Abbey Road' (1969).The thing about Guns N' Roses is it all happened in a cocoon, where it went in as one creature and came out as something totally different. I think that because of that, when 'Chinese Democracy' came out, people thought "That's not the caterpillar I was expecting". It was like "Right. It's a butterfly". I think it took probably a good year (laughs) for people to start forgetting about the baggage that was attached to this album, like the issue that it's not the same band members, it's not all the same band members that wrote and played on it, and that it's not the same sounding music. Guns N' Roses is a different creature now, but that's what makes it special. Where else in the history of rock music are you gonna find an album that has a decade of all these different people contributing all this cool stuff? Robin, and Paul, and Brain, and Buckethead, and me and Frank, and Tommy and Richard, and Dizzy and Pitman, and Sebastian Bach too. Nowhere are you gonna find an album that has such a history to it, and that has accumulated so many building blocks from such a long journey.To me, 'Chinese Democracy' isn't your typical album where you write it, record it, release it, promote it, and tour. This is a totally different creature, and I think a lot of people needed a minute to realize that for it to sink in, and to stop trying to fit it into the mould of a typical album because it's not a typical album. It's so much more experimental, and it's just a totally different thing. To me, 'Chinese Democracy' is 'The White Album' for G N' R in a way. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me it seems like the album is more accepted now than it was when it first came out, and that over time, people are gonna forget about the journey that it took to come out, and they're just gonna listen to the songs and the music and just take them as they are. Either they like them or they don't.I found as we played these shows in Asia, that people are really responding to the new songs. I didn't know how people would react, because you know that they're gonna cheer like crazy for "Welcome to the Jungle", for "Paradise City", for "Sweet Child O' Mine", for "Nightrain", but now they're cheering for "Street Of Dreams", and for "Better", and for "Prostitute" (laughs). When the song kicks in, they know what song it is and they burst out, and it's good to see. I'm glad that that's happening, and I hope that in time, when this is all just history and people are looking back on it, that people will appreciate this one of a kind fucking genuine experience that brought this album to be what it is. For me, how do I think of the album? I just think of it as this long road that finally reached its destination. It's like driving a very long drive, and finally getting there (laughs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderScott Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 It's a shame the music world doesn't realise the beauty of chinese and never gave it a fair shot. they just bashed it for being 13 years late and what not.but if those same people would actualy listen to all the songs and really put an efford into it which they will never do since it's stuff from Axl.they would tell the world it's the best damn thing in a long time.By far Chinese is lyricly and musicly a very rare and artistic and very beautiful record!and I believe since music sucked in 2000-2008 it's the best record of that time period.Well said Gnranus ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderScott Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 ^ Sorry Gnrjanus - I'm just being a silly immature fucker. I actually agree whole heartedly with what you wrote. I honestly think CD is amazing but perhaps a bit too complex and intricate for alot of people. AFD is the greatest album of all time. Its flawless magic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 everyone should be allowed to have their opinion That would seem like the right idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingarthur Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Oh my god, do people really think Chinese Democracy is the best album ever?It's actually one of my favorite works of art, in any medium. The way it makes me feel is amazing.To each his own I suppose, but I would have to strongly disagree. The album has some memorable moments but just isn't that great in it's entirety. It really isn't man....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I want to see the white album. That is, I want gnr to make the best album in the world.no pressure.Don't worry they will. So far CD is the best album in he world. They will top it.Sad part is that due to my musical tastes, I actually agree with you. Maybe it's not as "omg rawwwwwkkkkkk" as afd, but I think it's the best album I've ever heard.There is something for everybody on CD.I think the ballads came at the right time. I get bored with an all rock album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtydane Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I put the album down after a year of listening to it non stop. I threw it back in when the 2011a tour started and I've been listening to it non stop, over and over in my car. The musics great and has out lasted the initial release. Great album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 It's a shame the music world doesn't realise the beauty of chinese and never gave it a fair shot. they just bashed it for being 13 years late and what not.but if those same people would actualy listen to all the songs and really put an efford into it which they will never do since it's stuff from Axl.they would tell the world it's the best damn thing in a long time.By far Chinese is lyricly and musicly a very rare and artistic and very beautiful record!and I believe since music sucked in 2000-2008 it's the best record of that time period.Agreed.CD is one of my ten favorite albums of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 It's a shame the music world doesn't realise the beauty of chinese and never gave it a fair shot. they just bashed it for being 13 years late and what not.but if those same people would actualy listen to all the songs and really put an efford into it which they will never do since it's stuff from Axl.they would tell the world it's the best damn thing in a long time.By far Chinese is lyricly and musicly a very rare and artistic and very beautiful record!and I believe since music sucked in 2000-2008 it's the best record of that time period.Well said Gnranus !I think CD wil be appreciated a lot more in the next ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Devil Hill Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I actually think the UYIs were better from a lyrical standpoint. Not that ChD wasn't great lyrically; it's just that it was up against some stiff competition.- Don't Damn Me- Breakdown- Locomotive- Coma- Estranged- Civil War- Dead Horse- Garden of Eden- Yesterdays- Dust N' Bones- Bad Apples- Right Next Door to Hell- Don't Cry (alt.)There aren't many lyrics out there by any band that trump those lyrics in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I actually think the UYIs were better from a lyrical standpoint. Not that ChD wasn't great lyrically; it's just that it was up against some stiff competition.- Don't Damn Me- Breakdown- Locomotive- Coma- Estranged- Civil War- Dead Horse- Garden of Eden- Yesterdays- Dust N' Bones- Bad Apples- Right Next Door to Hell- Don't Cry (alt.)There aren't many lyrics out there by any band that trump those lyrics in my opinion.I thought the lyrics we're good despite the lack of Izzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Devil Hill Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I actually think the UYIs were better from a lyrical standpoint. Not that ChD wasn't great lyrically; it's just that it was up against some stiff competition.- Don't Damn Me- Breakdown- Locomotive- Coma- Estranged- Civil War- Dead Horse- Garden of Eden- Yesterdays- Dust N' Bones- Bad Apples- Right Next Door to Hell- Don't Cry (alt.)There aren't many lyrics out there by any band that trump those lyrics in my opinion.I thought the lyrics we're good despite the lack of Izzy.Not sure what you mean here. Do you mean the lyrics to ChD were good (despite lack of Izzy)? I agree. I think they're fantastic lyrics. I just don't think they're "the best." I mean, look at those songs I listed! Those lyrics are just on another level. The only non-UYI lyrics that are even near that level are OIAM, OMG, Sorry, and Catcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I actually think the UYIs were better from a lyrical standpoint. Not that ChD wasn't great lyrically; it's just that it was up against some stiff competition.- Don't Damn Me- Breakdown- Locomotive- Coma- Estranged- Civil War- Dead Horse- Garden of Eden- Yesterdays- Dust N' Bones- Bad Apples- Right Next Door to Hell- Don't Cry (alt.)There aren't many lyrics out there by any band that trump those lyrics in my opinion.I thought the lyrics we're good despite the lack of Izzy.Not sure what you mean here. Do you mean the lyrics to ChD were good (despite lack of Izzy)? I agree. I think they're fantastic lyrics. I just don't think they're "the best." I mean, look at those songs I listed! Those lyrics are just on another level. The only non-UYI lyrics that are even near that level are OIAM, OMG, Sorry, and Catcher.I just meant that some of Axl's best lyrics was with Izzy as wel as CD. I believe izzy worked on most of the songs you listed. Those two were geniuses together He seems to be great with Indiana natives like izzy and Paul. Makes me hopeful form Axl/Ashba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Devil Hill Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) Oh, I see! Izzy is credited for Dust N' Bones, Right Next Door to Hell, and Bad Apples (not counting alternate Don't Cry for obvious reasons). Actually, the Axl and Slash have the most credits for the songs I listed.- Don't Damn Me (Slash, Dave Lank, Axl)- Breakdown (Axl)- Locomotive (Slash, Axl)- Coma (Slash, Axl)- Estranged (Axl)- Civil War (Axl, Slash, Duff)- Dead Horse (Axl)- Garden of Eden (Slash, Axl)- Yesterdays (Axl, West Arkeen, Del James, Billy McCloud)- Dust N' Bones (Izzy, Duff, Slash)- Bad Apples (Slash, Duff, Izzy, Axl)- Right Next Door to Hell (Axl, Izzy, Timo Kaltio)- Don't Cry (alt.) (Izzy, Axl)ETA: But obviously, Slash didn't really have a hand in the lyrics. It's just an interesting trend. Edited January 8, 2012 by Kill Devil Hill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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