maynard Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 how i wish we had new music to talk about. this discussion is useless. i don't give a crap about ron. if i gave i would be a hypocrite, there are millions in worse conditions than him. it's his problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsguy Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) You do realize the more lawsuits filed, the more it effects every other policyholder who winds up having to cover those costs.Legit claims denied and gone to court and won against them should have no effect on other policy holders, otherwise the industry needs to be re-vamped IMO that leaves no room for anything but profit, now obviosly it is a very profit driven industry. I don't know the details of Ron's policy so I can't claim to know everything myself. I just know from the people I know who have had thier LEGIT claims go to court.Here is the thing, they are only liable for a few months then can wipe thier hands of the injured party? I am curious as to what that means.I KNOW Ron is in pain from no fault of his own, so is the insurance company not required to see this through?I won't say too much here but I will say this, his treatment DID help him, he need's more treatments to further help the pain. He has only had one treatment of this kind so far, it is not a one treatment kinda thing. Like I said, no Insurance company notifies the person "the day of" and denies all their benefits. People are given a minimum of 7 days notice. This is a fact. If he doesn't know why his benefits were cut off, or doesn't agree with the decuision, maybe he should contact the representative handling his claim and discuss it. Posting it on Facebook won't reinstate those benefits. If insurance companies are always right then tell me why my mother-in-law just won a suit out of court for their mistakes and why my boses mother is doing the same thing.How can I possibly tell you why if I don't know the facts? If it went before a jury, they almost always award for the plaintiff. Very few cases go that far. If it was settled prior to litigation, the Insurance carrier most likely felt that it was more cost effective, in an effort to keep premiums at a reasonable rate for the rest of their policyholders, but that doesn't assume they did something wrong. You do realize the more lawsuits filed, the more it effects every other policyholder who winds up having to cover those costs.Insurance companies are run by humans, errors happen all the time, I also find they are fast to take your money but make it very hard to get for those in need of it. You certainly have the option of not buying insurance. Of course if you get into an accident and are hurt, or held liable for someone else's injuries - good luck to you. I've paid thousands of dollars in insurance premiums over the years, and thankfully have never had to use it. Insurance companies are required to pay what's fair and reasonable. Unfortunatley in a society of entitelment, everyone feels their piece of shit car is worth more than it is, they weren't at fault whatsoever for the accident, they should keep treating even if they aren't getting better and in fact could be causing more damage. He was in a car accedent with insurance, he aint asking for something that he is not entitled to m8.They haven't been paying for months of treatment and medication? Anyway even if they messed up and they are now willing to do it for him there is no more time, the tour is to begin soon and with a 2 week resting fter treatment he cannot do it and do Guns tour.So basically, blaming the Insurance company is really not the problem here, unless you think they should also be held responsible for the tour schedule.Wow. Great post.I just finished a claim with an insurance company and they went out of their way to make sure I was happy.They even paid for acupuncture sessions when nothing else was working.I was in a car accident, caused by the other driver. Her insurance was so good and helpful I'm thinking of switching my car insurance over to them.People always want to blame others when they don't get what they want. I would love to hear the insurance side to why they denied his claim.Of course things work out for some people, there is no denying that. Maybe they made an error, that happen's in any business.I am sure he will get his treatment when he returns from the tour, sucks for him though having to wait Edited May 2, 2012 by gunsguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Perhaps Ron is going against the policy by hitting the road so soon? Insurance companies are no dummies so don't think they will keep on paying for treatment if when the injured party is not giving it time to heal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsguy Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) Perhaps Ron is going against the policy by hitting the road so soon? Insurance companies are no dummies so don't think they will keep on paying for treatment if when the injured party is not giving it time to heal...I can see that point, to a point, the man still needs to make a living. If he had claimed he cannot work that would be a different story I don't know if he told them that, I doubt it though this has been going on for some time even on tour. After watching videos from the last shows it is obvious he is not the same Ron we knew before the accident Edited May 2, 2012 by gunsguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One.In.A.Million Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I would be quite happy with Ron just standing in one place during the whole show, making sure his guitar parts where still spot on, much like Buckethead did. Ron don't need to do no running around or showmanship, and I hope he knows this. Richard can do all the guitar bashing and facial expressions for all 3 guitarists anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Guns, I think people forget that not all people who run corporations are evil. Yes, their goal is to make money.....but if they don't perform a good service, then they will go out of business. I worked for the collection department for Student Loans for a few years. Talk about a department that people hate. But we were all just normal people. Anyway, I worked in the medical write off department. People would ask for their loan to be dissolved or reduced because of medical reasons. They submit paperwork saying they broke their back, got fired because of it, and will never walk again. I call their doctor.....he says the guy just cracked a rib and will be fine in a month.I call his work.....they say they fired him for coming to work drunk.I call his house and ask for him....his son says "dad is out cutting fire wood, then he is going to go play in his men's league hockey game."I deny his claim...and he tells everybody he knows that the student loan people screwed him unfairly and how evil we are.I'm not kidding. Three out of four applicants were fraudulent. Not all were as bad as my example, but 75% exaggerated their claims. So we can't just say they are money grubbers. They constantly deal with people lying and trying to cheat them for more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 People who complain about Ron talking about his mental and health problems don't realize that is a Brooklyn thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock4eva Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Excuse my ignorance but did BBF say he has Lyme Disease? I thought this was caused by a tic, how is it related to the car accident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgunblues1978 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Got to love how Ron commenting on his insurance not covering treatment for an injury he sustained in a car accident he was not at fault in turns into an opportunity for certain people to claim Axl doesn't pay the guys in the band enough, and that Ron is somehow to blame for the treatment not being approved. Typical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Got to love how Ron commenting on his insurance not covering treatment for an injury he sustained in a car accident he was not at fault in turns into an opportunity for certain people to claim Axl doesn't pay the guys in the band enough, and that Ron is somehow to blame for the treatment not being approved. TypicalYep. Lots of people on this board who don't care about facts. They just like to bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Guns, I think people forget that not all people who run corporations are evil. Yes, their goal is to make money.....but if they don't perform a good service, then they will go out of business. I worked for the collection department for Student Loans for a few years. Talk about a department that people hate. But we were all just normal people. Anyway, I worked in the medical write off department. People would ask for their loan to be dissolved or reduced because of medical reasons. They submit paperwork saying they broke their back, got fired because of it, and will never walk again. I call their doctor.....he says the guy just cracked a rib and will be fine in a month.I call his work.....they say they fired him for coming to work drunk.I call his house and ask for him....his son says "dad is out cutting fire wood, then he is going to go play in his men's league hockey game."I deny his claim...and he tells everybody he knows that the student loan people screwed him unfairly and how evil we are.I'm not kidding. Three out of four applicants were fraudulent. Not all were as bad as my example, but 75% exaggerated their claims. So we can't just say they are money grubbers. They constantly deal with people lying and trying to cheat them for more money.So more correctly, we're all money grubbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Guns, I think people forget that not all people who run corporations are evil. Yes, their goal is to make money.....but if they don't perform a good service, then they will go out of business. I worked for the collection department for Student Loans for a few years. Talk about a department that people hate. But we were all just normal people. Anyway, I worked in the medical write off department. People would ask for their loan to be dissolved or reduced because of medical reasons. They submit paperwork saying they broke their back, got fired because of it, and will never walk again. I call their doctor.....he says the guy just cracked a rib and will be fine in a month.I call his work.....they say they fired him for coming to work drunk.I call his house and ask for him....his son says "dad is out cutting fire wood, then he is going to go play in his men's league hockey game."I deny his claim...and he tells everybody he knows that the student loan people screwed him unfairly and how evil we are.I'm not kidding. Three out of four applicants were fraudulent. Not all were as bad as my example, but 75% exaggerated their claims. So we can't just say they are money grubbers. They constantly deal with people lying and trying to cheat them for more money.So more correctly, we're all money grubbers.How you came to that conclusion I have no idea.... He was giving his side of what it's like on the other end. No where did he say WE ARE ALL MONEY GRUBBERS or implied that. He didn't even imply Ron was lying, just that things are so cut and dry in terms of insurance and getting a pay out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr420 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Bumblefoot is going on tour with pain (AGAIN!) and yet the singer can't even come on time because he's a fucking pussy. What a waste of talent!Man, when I was younget I had a bad back. I had to work a real shit job through the pain. I would have loved going on tour with one of the worlds biggest bands through Europe instead... Also... A waste of talent would have been hanging out in NJ recording awesome solo albums that most people would never hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITW 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) Hopefully Axl's got guitar insurance if Bumblefoot goes down. Edited May 2, 2012 by ITW 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Bumblefoot is going on tour with pain (AGAIN!) and yet the singer can't even come on time because he's a fucking pussy. What a waste of talent!Man, when I was younget I had a bad back. I had to work a real shit job through the pain. I would have loved going on tour with one of the worlds biggest bands through Europe instead... Also... A waste of talent would have been hanging out in NJ recording awesome solo albums that most people would never hear.Do you people ever get bored of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaida Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) The "on time" was definitely a friendly(?) jab a Axl. The UCAP tour they didn't seem to be any or many issues with the band going on late. By late I mean too much time between sets (not actual stage time).There's nothing worse than having to goto work when you feel ill. Once you are at work all you want to do is go home. Its not a nice position to be in. My bet is, Ron the guitarist probably does all he can to feel good right up until the moment he hits the stage, at which point he was to put up with discomfort for the duration of the show. Bring Axl's late show into the equation probably adds to Rons misery. It effectively puts Ron along with the rest of the hired hands into limbo, a state where they don't know if they will take to the stage in 10 minutes from now, to 3hrs from now.Those are my assumptions Edited May 2, 2012 by vaida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Bumblefoot is going on tour with pain (AGAIN!) and yet the singer can't even come on time because he's a fucking pussy. What a waste of talent!Man, when I was younget I had a bad back. I had to work a real shit job through the pain. I would have loved going on tour with one of the worlds biggest bands through Europe instead... Also... A waste of talent would have been hanging out in NJ recording awesome solo albums that most people would never hear.Yeah...he's such a wimp. What a crybaby Ron is. Getting in a car accident which gave him massive amounts of pain so that he questioned his future in music, saw a bunch of doctors and specialists to see if he could continue being what he is (a musician) and leading a life doing what he loves and putting himself through hell just so he can play. Fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_HelloBeatle_ Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 You do realize the more lawsuits filed, the more it effects every other policyholder who winds up having to cover those costs.I have no idea where this quote came from but it is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.I fight insurance companies daily so I know a bit about the topic. I used to work in the insurance defense field too (on behalf of insurance co.).Insurance companies have filled the media and have basically made people believe the following B.S.:- That if you file a claim, it is normal for your insurance premiums (monthly/yearly payments) to go up.- That by fighting an insurance company, everyone else's insurance goes up.- That it's the insurance company's right to fight all claims because it can be interpreted in some way that you violated the policy.For absolutely no reason, people believe that issues facing the insurance companies are rightfully handled differently than any other contact between persons. Your contract w/ insurance is no different than a standard contract. If you contract with a business for a service, pay regularly for that service, and then that business refuses to perform it is a Breach of contract. Period.Legislators will not confront the issue head-on because the fact is insurance companies are trillion dollar industries that contribute far too much money and influence to a politicians method of getting elected. I am not a "conspiracy" believer - this is plain fact.In retaliation, the courts and judges are the only people that can combat these companies. This is why you are seeing larger and larger punitive and consumer protection awards against the insurance companies because in the last 10 years, the insur. comps have been denying or under-compensating the majority of claims. It has really gotten out of hand. These companies believe they have every right to just deny claims for little reasons or for any reason they see fit.Most importantly, OTHER INSURED PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE MORE IF ANOTHER PERSON FIGHTS A CLAIM. These are trillion dollar companies that YOU have to PAY to be apart of. They have stockpiled so much money over the last century and continue to do so that no single claim will ever (legitimately) affect another's premiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience 4 Axl Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I fight insurance companies daily so I know a bit about the topic. A very little bit obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 I fight insurance companies daily so I know a bit about the topic. A very little bit obviously.What's inaccurate here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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