Dazey Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 You just reveal the sadness of your own life when you're forced to criticize the physical condition of someone you've never met in order to find some sort of joy in the world.Sad but happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 but the thing you said they could do isn't something they could do. therefore you're wrong. the solos are what allow axl to sing as many songs as he's singing. your premise that the solos could be cut in favor or more songs is simply incorrect.opinion has nothing to do with this.axl can cut solos and jams for new songs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axl8302 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Finck 6 - Chinese Democracy the single received a lot of airplay at first and charted very high. It didn't have much staying power though. Randomly releasing a song on itunes would use up whatever juice there would be for the "first" new GNR song since Chinese. It's a really really really bad idea to just randomly put out a song right now if the new album isn't around the corner. Confirming or denying either recent leak would simply lead to a round of media attention focusing on the leaks. Really really bad idea to acknowledge them in any way.Most fans attending GNR shows have NO interest in the new material. They're already playing 6-7 new songs a night. Any more than that would really be pushing it. There are a few mentally ill fans like you that would fly all over the place for the chance to hear one song, but the vast majority of the audience wants to hear the classics. Albums are announced in advance, but why would they randomly announce the album, reveal the artwork and tracklist, etc etc if the album isn't going to be out in the next few months? Randomly revealing that information a year or two in advance would be a really bad idea. Just awful. Stick to being a fan. Band management is not your forte.Spending a ton of money on music videos was a good idea for current young hot act back when MTV was dominant. Now it would just be foolish.it wouldn't be foolish. do you watch fuse? other music video channels on tv? big music videos play on tv today. millions of dollars are spent to make music vids every day. it's how the music business works. what artists and bands do for creativity and their fanbases with music video content 4 TV. it's what guns n roses did with their epic music videos. what axl can do today with videos for epic songs like robin's TIL and bucket's Prostitute. it's a big business. lots of money is spent and made from the venture. a very profitable and popular outlet for bands and fans. i hope axl gets back into it againAxl thinks those GN'R videos are "corny", he's not going to start making videos like November Rain and Estranged again.when did axl say the epic november rain and estranged videos were corny? axl didn't say they were corny on either makin' of dvd with november rain and estranged videosHe said something to that effect during the Eddie Trunk interview back in '06axl said the the don't cry, novemmber rain, and estranged music videos were fuckin' great in the 90'sIt's not the 90's anymore. He isn't going to be making videos like that, as he NOW thinks they're corny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 but the thing you said they could do isn't something they could do. therefore you're wrong. the solos are what allow axl to sing as many songs as he's singing. your premise that the solos could be cut in favor or more songs is simply incorrect.opinion has nothing to do with this.axl can cut solos and jams for new songsNot if he need the solos and jams to recover his voice before the next song.Not if there is no new song ready.Not if he doesn't want to début new songs a long time before release of the next record (as in 2001). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I was about to make a lenghty post, but nevermind, its just not worthy to reply to rethorics.But one thing people keep ignoring: yes, lenghty setlists with classics would appeal to the majority of the crowd. But they are really playing safe way too much now. Its ok if that's the major goal for Axl, but I don't get why people are getting attacked because they wanted the band to move foward for real and take more risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I was about to make a lenghty post, but nevermind, its just not worthy to reply to rethorics.But one thing people keep ignoring: yes, lenghty setlists with classics would appeal to the majority of the crowd. But they are really playing safe way too much now. Its ok if that's the major goal for Axl, but I don't get why people are getting attacked because they wanted the band to move foward for real and take more risks.This. Especially us, the fans, who support the band in many ways, want the band to move forward. Playing safe is still awesome - the concerts are indeed amazing - but holding the band back is actually sad. They want to move forward but Axl keeps playing the safe card. I hate this part because he can do much better. Catcher wouldnt be hard to sing. Prostitute would fit his voice easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 If they can play TWAT live they can play Catcher and Prostitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SONOFABITCH Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 GNR management failed that the most important task. That was to get Axl to the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eu4ic Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 The reason I am at all suspicious or critical is because they are like family, and common wisdom tells us business and family dont mix. There's a fundamental conflict of interest there.When you couple this fact with another fact, that Axl is the type of person who doesnt like to be pushed but probably needs it more than anybody and has burned bridges because of this of his inability to accept this (with basically, everybody from Izzy to Buckethead), I am generally concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 The reason I am at all suspicious or critical is because they are like family, and common wisdom tells us business and family dont mix. There's a fundamental conflict of interest there.Well, when nothing else worked out, you may try another approach. And this isn't a rule, there are some cases where the family/business mix did work.When you couple this fact with another fact, that Axl is the type of person who doesnt like to be pushed but probably needs it more than anybody and has burned bridges because of this of his inability to accept this (with basically, everybody from Izzy to Buckethead), I am generally concerned.Now this is the real problem. But unlike the past managements, would be really hard for Axl to just fire Beta out of nowere if she pushes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tat2d1 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 guns n roses management can do better. like dropping a fresh guns n roses song from the chinese democracy recording sessions on itunes. confirming or denying the legitimacy of blood in the water and better gone remix. having axl perform more cd songs and new songs at concerts. giving a release date for the next chinese record. letting the fans know if 2012 is the year for the next chinese record or not. make some music videos like axl made videos before with the epic november rain and estranged music videos. giving us a tracklisting for the next chinese record. a preview of the next chinese album artwork.• Randomly releasing a new song if there is not an album ready to soon follow would be a very poor choice. The next GNR song that is released is sure to receive a lot of mainstream attention for a brief period of time. The song after that would not receive nearly as much attention. I am glad you are not the manager of GNR.• It would not be in the best interest of GNR to draw any additional attention to Blood in the Water, or any leak for that matter. I am glad you are not the manager of GNR.• It would not be in the best interest of GNR to draw any additional attention to Better Gone remix, or any leak for that matter. I am glad you are not the manager of GNR.• 6-7 Chinese songs a night is already really pushing it as far as most fans are concerned. The average fan attending a GNR concert would most likely prefer to hear less Chinese and more Appetite. Adding more new songs to the set would not be good for business.• If the next album is more than a few months away, there is nothing to be gained by announcing a release date now. It's very important to properly time announcements to maximize the value of the media coverage.• There is nothing to be gained by announcing that there WON'T be an album this year. If there will be an album, there is nothing to be gained by announcing it more than a few months in advance.• Making epic music videos would be a giant waste of money.• Giving us the tracklisting of the next album this far in advance would be a poor choice. Basically, you would be an awful manager.Man, u really have become a blatant ass kisser, haven't ya? You must've gotten into some shit for that whole thumb drive fiasco awhile back.....Albums don't sell worth a damn these days, it wouldn't hurt GnR to try the single route for awhile..... then release a full length album after a few singles have hit radio. The old way of doing things is dead (if you still want to be successful), time to think "outside the box". You'd most likely suck as a manager too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 but the thing you said they could do isn't something they could do. therefore you're wrong. the solos are what allow axl to sing as many songs as he's singing. your premise that the solos could be cut in favor or more songs is simply incorrect.opinion has nothing to do with this.axl can cut solos and jams for new songsNot if he need the solos and jams to recover his voice before the next song.Not if there is no new song ready.Not if he doesn't want to début new songs a long time before release of the next record (as in 2001).true. many songs have been recorded which didn't make the first chinese democracy record. axl has a lot of new "unheard" songs to choose from 2 play every night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoulMonster Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 GNR management failed that the most important task. That was to get Axl to the HOF.Why was that so important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Universal_Sigh Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Because that's what 90% of fans wanted. How is that hard to understand? Not only did Beta + family not get him to go I'd bet they encouraged him not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Because that's what 90% of fans wanted. How is that hard to understand? Not only did Beta + family not get him to go I'd bet they encouraged him not to.I wanted to know why it was so important to SONOFABITCH to see Axl attend HOF that new music, touring and interviews are dwarved by it. But I could ask any of those other "90 %". Why was it so important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Universal_Sigh Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) Because that's what 90% of fans wanted. How is that hard to understand? Not only did Beta + family not get him to go I'd bet they encouraged him not to.I wanted to know why it was so important to SONOFABITCH to see Axl attend HOF that new music, touring and interviews are dwarved by it. But I could ask any of those other "90 %". Why was it so important?Because this is entertainment and that's what the fans wanted, they don't want to be quizzed on what they want it's just the way it is. New music isn't coming either, interviews soooo aren't dwarfed by it. Touring is touring, it's expected. Edited May 28, 2012 by The_Universal_Sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) Because that's what 90% of fans wanted. How is that hard to understand? Not only did Beta + family not get him to go I'd bet they encouraged him not to.90% of the population thought the world was flat Edited May 28, 2012 by volcano62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Multiverses says the world is flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Universal_Sigh Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Because that's what 90% of fans wanted. How is that hard to understand? Not only did Beta + family not get him to go I'd bet they encouraged him not to.90% of the population thought the world was flat What a stupid thing to say. 100% of the world thought the earth was flat at one point. It's entertainment, most fans would say they would have wanted Axl there, therefore it's a move according to the fans that was mistaken or missed by Axl/management. I'm not arguing this further stupid points like "well I could ask them why they want it" and "something from the past a lot of people thought was true wasn't" aren't worth arguing against. The thing I was pointing against was how someone could not understand why it was so important to go, because Axl believes he's Guns N Roses and the Guns N Roses fan-base (minus like 5 of you guys) wanted to see him there. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Anyone thinking it would have been a good move to go to the HOF is in serious denial of how much Axl doesn't like Slash. First the would need to work things out via Skype, then maybe do this show. He can't just show up in to a potential shitstorm with no really upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Because that's what 90% of fans wanted. How is that hard to understand? Not only did Beta + family not get him to go I'd bet they encouraged him not to.I wanted to know why it was so important to SONOFABITCH to see Axl attend HOF that new music, touring and interviews are dwarved by it. But I could ask any of those other "90 %". Why was it so important?Because this is entertainment and that's what the fans wanted, they don't want to be quizzed on what they want it's just the way it is. New music isn't coming either, interviews soooo aren't dwarfed by it. Touring is touring, it's expected.If you can't explain why SONOFABITCH thinks that attending HOF was a more important task for Axl Rose than realising new music, working on a new record, touring with the band, doing interviews, etc, then please refrain from replying. I was purely interested in hearing why SONOFABITCH thinks the HOF was so much more important than everything else, not your rambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Universal_Sigh Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Anyone thinking it would have been a good move to go to the HOF is in serious denial of how much Axl doesn't like Slash. First the would need to work things out via Skype, then maybe do this show. He can't just show up in to a potential shitstorm with no really upside.the reason they couldn't have worked things out via skype before the show was what? No one's in denial how how much Axl is jealous, er, I mean hates Slash. They just don't give a fuck and think he should grow up and get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) Axl has better things to do than play some fake award show with "has beens' that stabbed him in the back over 15 years ago. Better things like fronting the greatest band in the world.Why would Axl be jealous of Slash when Axl is far more successful, far richer, and doesn't have to constantly whore himself out to stay relevant. He can purposely avoid attention and still generate far more business than Slash can, all the while keeping his dignity in tact.Fuckin' hit the nail on the head with this post. Edited May 28, 2012 by volcano62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Universal_Sigh Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Axl has better things to do than play some fake award show with "has beens' that stabbed him in the back over 15 years ago. Better things like fronting the greatest band in the world.Why would Axl be jealous of Slash when Axl is far more successful, far richer, and doesn't have to constantly whore himself out to stay relevant. He can purposely avoid attention and still generate far more business than Slash can, all the while keeping his dignity in tact.Fuckin' hit the nail on the head with this post.Axl puts on a fraud and has for 20 years the very reason no one respects him is because they feel he has no dignity for keeping the GNR name. Slash lost dignity by other means, not arguing that but he gets respect. Who in the industry respects Axl? Bach?.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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