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Do you think Axl's camp could be convinced that leaking one demo on purpose is an ace move?

It could be pitched as a smart business move which would:

  1. increase awareness of the band
  2. enhance tour revenue
  3. generate buzz and discussion
  4. have a high benefit-to-cost ratio

Axl, having grown tired of being pestered about the subject, might go fishing in his vault for a song and set it free on the internet. The gnr camp could feign being upset about it, thereby giving it underground/illicit status, thus increasing the number of people (even more) who will seek it out for a listen.

I suppose the real question is, could Axl be convinced of this? In the Eddie Trunk interview, in reference to the anticipation for Chinese Democracy, Axl said "You have people just screaming release it, which I'd, y'know, and that's good that they want it, but what does that mean? I don't really know what that means." By releasing an unfinished track, he could give the fans a present without having the obligation to create a finished piece of work.

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Do you think Axl's camp could be convinced that leaking one demo on purpose is an ace move?

It could be pitched as a smart business move which would:

  1. increase awareness of the band
  2. enhance tour revenue
  3. generate buzz and discussion
  4. have a high benefit-to-cost ratio

Axl, having grown tired of being pestered about the subject, might go fishing in his vault for a song and set it free on the internet. The gnr camp could feign being upset about it, thereby giving it underground/illicit status, thus increasing the number of people (even more) who will seek it out for a listen.

I suppose the real question is, could Axl be convinced of this? In the Eddie Trunk interview, in reference to the anticipation for Chinese Democracy, Axl said "You have people just screaming release it, which I'd, y'know, and that's good that they want it, but what does that mean? I don't really know what that means." By releasing an unfinished track, he could give the fans a present without having the obligation to create a finished piece of work.

releasing a demo would be ace. demos are cool. look at the John Lennon home demo tapes. i listen to them all the time on youtube. demos give insight on the rock n' roll recording process. gives you many angles to look at. very detailed with different instruments. sounds. demo is ace. release a demo!

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'increase awareness of the band'

I'm not getting that.

All Axl and his hired hands have left is the legacy created by former members. They have the band name too, which helps. The only people who would be interested in a new leak would be those that are aware of the band already. There is only one thing remaining that could help boost the bands awareness, asuming they are looking to be boosted, and that is to record new material, material that is a huge hit with the radio stations. I can't see that ever having, it would be good, but i think those days are long gone.

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'increase awareness of the band'

I'm not getting that.

All Axl and his hired hands have left is the legacy created by former members. They have the band name too, which helps. The only people who would be interested in a new leak would be those that are aware of the band already. There is only one thing remaining that could help boost the bands awareness, asuming they are looking to be boosted, and that is to record new material, material that is a huge hit with the radio stations. I can't see that ever having, it would be good, but i think those days are long gone.

Exactly. I think it's just too late. The ship has sailed. I think Axl's ambition towards new material is drained, and there's just not a lot of general interest among the general population for another nu album. I doubt the label wants much to do with that, not anything that requires a lot of effort after the whole CD thing. I just honestly feel like it's too late, there will probably never be another official album released by Axl, and people should just enjoy the nostalgic shows for what they are.

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I always thought they did that with TWAT, Better and IRS in 2006.

Edit: I mean, I always thought those songs was leaked to see what the fans thought and to create some buzz before the tour.

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'increase awareness of the band'

I'm not getting that.

All Axl and his hired hands have left is the legacy created by former members. They have the band name too, which helps. The only people who would be interested in a new leak would be those that are aware of the band already. There is only one thing remaining that could help boost the bands awareness, asuming they are looking to be boosted, and that is to record new material, material that is a huge hit with the radio stations. I can't see that ever having, it would be good, but i think those days are long gone.

Exactly. I think it's just too late. The ship has sailed. I think Axl's ambition towards new material is drained, and there's just not a lot of general interest among the general population for another nu album. I doubt the label wants much to do with that, not anything that requires a lot of effort after the whole CD thing. I just honestly feel like it's too late, there will probably never be another official album released by Axl, and people should just enjoy the nostalgic shows for what they are.

I think that you're both morons and I hope that you think the same about me.

That doesn't mean what we think is right.

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Albums don't make the cash these days, it's all in the tours and Axl won't be getting rid of the lesser staple tracks i.e LALD, Brownstone, KOHD and Street of Dreams anytime soon. Even though this kinda thing would correlate to Axl's vision of growing the modern era of Guns. New material would have to go there as the solo sections will stay. Sadly 75% of audience are casual GNR fans and come for familiarity and hits, i'd like to see the current set too (tho certainly wouldn't complain about new stuff) and with the GNR name comes staple setlist neccessities. I don't think guns can be a band that plays a new record and everyone shuts the fuck up and listens regardless of what they wanted to hear, sadly.

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The reason they can tour is cos they have a GH. If they don't play them they'd be insane. In some ways there hits are clearer defined than ACDC or the Stones.

But a newer generation has grown up and who knows what they rate. If I go to the Stones and don't hear Monkey Man it's like why didn't u see Casino.

Although Gimme Shelter is basically There Was A Time.

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Here's a thought. Leak a song, release an album. Tour the new album in theaters and clubs if need be for the basement dwelling keyboard warriors who will pay money to see it. Then do a GH tour where you do LALD, KOHD, ISE and your covers. Iron Maiden does this more or less also.

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If they aren't going to release an album in the next few months , then absolutely it is the most intelligent thing for them to do.

If the band really did care about their fanbase, the fans who have been supporting this band for the past 25 years, then yes - they would just release a new song. It was reported that they were working on something like 32 songs 5-6 years ago. The band has changed since then, current members want their fingers on writing new songs, so we probably will not ever hear those 32 songs. So why not release one or two of them?

GnR seems to be the only band in the world who is NOT interested in releasing music, and who guards their unreleased songs like they had national security implications if heard by rock fans.

Pick the 10 best leftover CD songs, record 5 new songs with the current band and release that album THIS year.

Play a new song or two on this tour, can be one that isn't going to be released on the next album. Release the demo version of them. Give your fans a treat. Most fans would LOVE to hear new songs. Anything new. People orgasm when GnR breaks out songs off of Lies and Appetite. Imagine the response to actual new songs.

Pretty simple.

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Tour the new album in theaters and clubs if need be for the basement dwelling keyboard warriors who will pay money to see it.

Yep cause no sane person could possibly be interested in hearing new Guns N Roses material.. :rolleyes:

I wasn't saying I wouldn't nor was I saying that it wouldn't sell. Id need be is taking the theory that "75% of people want to see hits and not new stuff" and applying it in a feasible way for the band. I would looooove to be able to see CD 1&2 in a stadium. I don't think this is the correct ratio. I personally think the theaters would be too small, but was just putting a random number out there.

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Why not just release a single song, officially, on something like iTunes for $1.29? Or leak it first for that buzz and commotion and then follow up with the official release via iTunes like a month later.

i recommended guns n roses management release an "unheard" chinese democracy song on itunes. 4 buzz and promotion 2. we think a like

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Tour the new album in theaters and clubs if need be for the basement dwelling keyboard warriors who will pay money to see it.

Yep cause no sane person could possibly be interested in hearing new Guns N Roses material.. :rolleyes:

I wasn't saying I wouldn't nor was I saying that it wouldn't sell. Id need be is taking the theory that "75% of people want to see hits and not new stuff" and applying it in a feasible way for the band. I would looooove to be able to see CD 1&2 in a stadium. I don't think this is the correct ratio. I personally think the theaters would be too small, but was just putting a random number out there.

Gotcha :thumbsup:

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why invite the ridicule? i'll admit, i'm more curious to hear the microwaved leftovers from chinese democracy than most guys. but part of me just doesn't see the point. people are going to trash and mock it, and in fairness, it will probably suck. just don't see they have much to gain by releasing new music. money's in touring. not making records. especially not in the expensive way axl makes them.

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I'm curious to know if you have any experience working in the music industry. You seem quite convinced that a one off single would be a brilliant move right now, but conventional wisdom would be that a one off single would be a terribly short sighted and damaging decision.

What you say makes sense on a certain level, but it still comes down to when is the next album going to come out? If it's sometime this year, then you're probably right. But what if it isn't? If it's not coming out for a year, or two, or three, or the more likely scenario that nobody has any fucking idea when it will come out, then releasing a single would be a brilliant move in the short term.

Let's say the next album won't be out till 2014. They could have released a single last fall, at the start of this tour. If it was a cool song, that got some radio play, the band would have sold more tickets to shows on this tour. Partially because new fans want to hear the new song, partially because casual fans would have a better chance of knowing they're on tour. The band would have made some decent coin selling the song for $1.29 on iTunes. It would have invigorated the whole tour, because hardcore fans and casual fans alike, during the show, while still being excited to hear Jungle, Sweet Child, etc., would also be excited to hear the new song. I'm also sure the band members would be thrilled to play something new, especially if they had anything to do with its creation.

Then, in 2014, there would still be a buzz about a new Guns album, which would still be the follow-up to Chinese Democracy, etc.

In that sense, I don't agree with your overall point at all.

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why invite the ridicule? i'll admit, i'm more curious to hear the microwaved leftovers from chinese democracy than most guys. but part of me just doesn't see the point. people are going to trash and mock it, and in fairness, it will probably suck. just don't see they have much to gain by releasing new music. money's in touring. not making records. especially not in the expensive way axl makes them.

They'd make more $$$ off of it sooner rather than later.

If they do a boxset or something down the road for the Leftover Chinese the old GNR fans who buy it out of spite will be dead or not give a shit.

Your core market is only evaporating. It only makes sense to invest in the future.

The Europe tour they're doing right now is a smart cash grab but I doubt Axl is going to dig into the bowels of the Illusions records, so at some point he's forced to release more to keep the tour interesting.

Also it's a sunk cost at this point and despite Axl's endless tinkering it's done so it's time to get it out the door.

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Disagree on the second point, if the song is well received, IMO it would actually boost anticipation for the new GNR album. Because right now there aren't that many people (other than the diehards) clamoring for a new record from the band, but a kick-ass single would make a lot of the more casual fans say "Whoooa, this is cool" and they'd be much more likely to be interested in the new album when (if) it arrives.

Plus, in this day and age the album (as much as many of us love it to death as an art form) is dying a slow death, so again a single could help reinvent the band's image for a whole new generation of fans.

All these being moot points of course, since we are talking about a band that doesn't release new music.

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Axl Salinger,

Yes, a well received single would obviously boost anticipation. However, the odds of GNR ever having a hit again are very slim and if they have a single with hit potential and they are lucky enough to have it do well, why would you want to have that big boost a year or two before the album comes out instead of having the boost right before the record releases? Those casual fans that say, "whoa, this is cool" will probably follow that up with, "when's the album coming out?"

Why in the world would you want to generate those emotions a year or two before the record hits instead of closer to the release? It doesn't make any sense.

I understand people wanting to hear new music ASAP. I get it. However, I grow tired of people saying something is a smart business move when really it's just something they want or wish would happen.

the fans want axl to release a new single on itunes this summer and play the new single and other new songs at the shows. it gives fans something different from the norm

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