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Randy Lahey

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Just the thought of the album could get headlines for other bands if they joked about naming it CD. The world was waiting on it. The fact that it came out and everyone kinda went "meh" and put it on the shelf with the others speaks clearly about the general opinion of it.

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A large factor contributing to CD's underwhelming performance in the US is often discounted, but can't be overstated

CD was only available in about 850-900 retail locations in the US, and it was a specialty retailer at that. Ignoring this discounts the fact that music has largely become a commodity. Most people do not go out of their way to purchase music anymore. Releasing it exclusively at Best Buy hurt them in several demographics that still buy music in a physical format at a higher rate than most others (midwestern and southern America, and consumers 40+ years old); this is a demographic that makes up a good chunk of GnR's fanbase.

The deal also kept the album out of by far the biggest retailer (of albums and everything else) in the US, with Wal-Mart. It's been proven now that the only retailer who can successfully pull off a big exclusive release is Wal-Mart. Not only do they have 4,300 locations, but they get 100 million customers a week in the US.

At the end of the day, the Best Buy deal was a great thing since it allowed the label/band to recoup the album's massive recording costs, but it certainly resulted in underwhelming sales figures.

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i don't think you understood the question. is english your first language?

Wait, did you just fail to use basic capitalization twice whilst criticizing my english skills? Really?

:rofl-lol:

Three times if you think "England" should be spelled with a capital. ;)

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A large factor contributing to CD's underwhelming performance in the US is often discounted, but can't be overstated

CD was only available in about 850-900 retail locations in the US, and it was a specialty retailer at that. Ignoring this discounts the fact that music has largely become a commodity. Most people do not go out of their way to purchase music anymore. Releasing it exclusively at Best Buy hurt them in several demographics that still buy music in a physical format at a higher rate than most others (midwestern and southern America, and consumers 40+ years old); this is a demographic that makes up a good chunk of GnR's fanbase.

The deal also kept the album out of by far the biggest retailer (of albums and everything else) in the US, with Wal-Mart. It's been proven now that the only retailer who can successfully pull off a big exclusive release is Wal-Mart. Not only do they have 4,300 locations, but they get 100 million customers a week in the US.

At the end of the day, the Best Buy deal was a great thing since it allowed the label/band to recoup the album's massive recording costs, but it certainly resulted in underwhelming sales figures.

Target would've been the best choice because they would also sell GnR t-shirts in the stores, the way AC/DC did when "Black Ice" came out, but Best Buy prob. offered the most money. Wal Mart prob. wasn't an option due to the Parental Advisory thing, and that's not an issue w/ Target.

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A large factor contributing to CD's underwhelming performance in the US is often discounted, but can't be overstated

CD was only available in about 850-900 retail locations in the US, and it was a specialty retailer at that. Ignoring this discounts the fact that music has largely become a commodity. Most people do not go out of their way to purchase music anymore. Releasing it exclusively at Best Buy hurt them in several demographics that still buy music in a physical format at a higher rate than most others (midwestern and southern America, and consumers 40+ years old); this is a demographic that makes up a good chunk of GnR's fanbase.

The deal also kept the album out of by far the biggest retailer (of albums and everything else) in the US, with Wal-Mart. It's been proven now that the only retailer who can successfully pull off a big exclusive release is Wal-Mart. Not only do they have 4,300 locations, but they get 100 million customers a week in the US.

At the end of the day, the Best Buy deal was a great thing since it allowed the label/band to recoup the album's massive recording costs, but it certainly resulted in underwhelming sales figures.

Target would've been the best choice because they would also sell GnR t-shirts in the stores, the way AC/DC did when "Black Ice" came out, but Best Buy prob. offered the most money. Wal Mart prob. wasn't an option due to the Parental Advisory thing, and that's not an issue w/ Target.

target would be a great choice for the next chinese democracy record. has guns n roses management given indications the next chinese record will be a target exclusive?

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In the US the label went for the safety of the 14 mil up front, instead of potential sales, which anyway you look at it is a no brainer for any record. and especially with a record that cost them so much. So record sales don't really reflect what it could have been. Even for Axl it was probably better because putting and keeping them in the hole would maybe end his career anyway. As it is, it was a "success" in not being a monumental bomb to end all bombs. It actually sold alright even in the US.

They should really print up T-shirts: "GNR survived Chinese Democracy".

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In the US the label went for the safety of the 14 mil up front, instead of potential sales, which anyway you look at it is a no brainer for any record. and especially with a record that cost them so much. So record sales don't really reflect what it could have been. Even for Axl it was probably better because putting and keeping them in the hole would maybe end his career anyway. As it is, it was a "success" in not being a monumental bomb to end all bombs. It actually sold alright even in the US.

They should really print up T-shirts: "GNR survived Chinese Democracy".

but if axl promoted the record in advance the record wouldn't have bombed. the same if robin was around for promotion and interviews it wouldn't have bombed

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In the US the label went for the safety of the 14 mil up front, instead of potential sales, which anyway you look at it is a no brainer for any record. and especially with a record that cost them so much. So record sales don't really reflect what it could have been. Even for Axl it was probably better because putting and keeping them in the hole would maybe end his career anyway. As it is, it was a "success" in not being a monumental bomb to end all bombs. It actually sold alright even in the US.

They should really print up T-shirts: "GNR survived Chinese Democracy".

but if axl promoted the record in advance the record wouldn't have bombed. the same if robin was around for promotion and interviews it wouldn't have bombed

I don't think so. It's the fact that was only available in Best Buy. And the label washing their hands of it meant no video. Axl's AWOL story was as good as an interview promo wise. It might have increased sales but not significantly.

A hit sell 1 mil in first 2 weeks. U2 had a video and camped out on Letterman and sold the same as CD. So I don't buy it, unless it was a proper campaign of videos, but then still, the leaks and the unavoidable negativity surrounding just the idea of this band.

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has guns n roses management given indications the next chinese record will be a target exclusive?

Yes, it will only be sold at Finck's house at first and then it'll be sold at Bucket's as well.

you're funnier than MSL LOL interesting to see if guns n roses management let's the press and fans know which store is the exclusive store 4 the next chinese record. bestbuy. walmart. target. fye. another store. interesting to see if guns n roses makes the announcement during the current tour or soon

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In the US the label went for the safety of the 14 mil up front, instead of potential sales, which anyway you look at it is a no brainer for any record. and especially with a record that cost them so much. So record sales don't really reflect what it could have been. Even for Axl it was probably better because putting and keeping them in the hole would maybe end his career anyway. As it is, it was a "success" in not being a monumental bomb to end all bombs. It actually sold alright even in the US.

They should really print up T-shirts: "GNR survived Chinese Democracy".

but if axl promoted the record in advance the record wouldn't have bombed

You're repeating that as a joke, right?

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Chi Dem failed to be a success for two broad reasons:

1. It was a joke.

The whole thing had become a joke. Axl's "vision" was a joke. The time it took was a joke. The fact it was called guns n roses was a joke. The changing line-up was a joke. The secrecy was a joke. Axl being a recluse was a joke. This was all sort of true up until the VMAs in 2002 but after that CD's fate was sealed. No one was going to consider this "cool". So even those diehard GNR fans that were aware.... wouldn't buy it. Wouldn't support it. Full stop. The sales sent a messege to Axl from the fans in my opinion.

2. No promotion from Best Buy, the label and most importantly Axl + co.

Since their was no promotion, no pics, no interviews, no one knew who was in the band. The album had tonnes of players and they came and went it was known almost exclusively as Axl and some studio hands. How could people care about Axl's new band if there wasn't really a "band" to begin with or at least any idea of what this band was? Axl didn't fucking care to go out there and promote it so no one cared to go out there and check it out. There was no enthusiasm for it from anyone involved. Lots, if not most, GNR fans knew Chinese Democracy was being worked on but Axl let it just slip out and didn't care about it so no one cared back. Maybe a video? A performance on SNL? A sit down with Larry King? A tour to support the album?

That's it. The fact it was sold at best buy, the fact the label didn't do every little thing they could, all little details.

Due to these issues, Axl will never release another full album again. Ever. The pressure he caved under, the responses he got, the lack of caring, lack of attention, etc etc etc. It's my opinion he's scared to death of doing releases or putting himself out there to be judged and if that's not it than the truth is even worse - he just doesn't care, at all.

It's not important for a big "radio hit" on the next album but the release process has to go normally. He has to go out there. The band all together have to go out there so people can see it as a band. There's a lot that can be done to ease the pain point 2 caused last release but point 1 will never go at this point. People will never accept nu guns.

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Chi Dem failed to be a success for two broad reasons:

1. It was a joke.

The whole thing had become a joke. Axl's "vision" was a joke. The time it took was a joke. The fact it was called guns n roses was a joke. The changing line-up was a joke. The secrecy was a joke. Axl being a recluse was a joke. This was all sort of true up until the VMAs in 2002 but after that CD's fate was sealed. No one was going to consider this "cool". So even those diehard GNR fans that were aware.... wouldn't buy it. Wouldn't support it. Full stop. The sales sent a messege to Axl from the fans in my opinion.

2. No promotion from Best Buy, the label and most importantly Axl + co.

Since their was no promotion, no pics, no interviews, no one knew who was in the band. The album had tonnes of players and they came and went it was known almost exclusively as Axl and some studio hands. How could people care about Axl's new band if there wasn't really a "band" to begin with or at least any idea of what this band was? Axl didn't fucking care to go out there and promote it so no one cared to go out there and check it out. There was no enthusiasm for it from anyone involved. Lots, if not most, GNR fans knew Chinese Democracy was being worked on but Axl let it just slip out and didn't care about it so no one cared back. Maybe a video? A performance on SNL? A sit down with Larry King? A tour to support the album?

That's it. The fact it was sold at best buy, the fact the label didn't do every little thing they could, all little details.

Due to these issues, Axl will never release another full album again. Ever. The pressure he caved under, the responses he got, the lack of caring, lack of attention, etc etc etc. It's my opinion he's scared to death of doing releases or putting himself out there to be judged and if that's not it than the truth is even worse - he just doesn't care, at all.

It's not important for a big "radio hit" on the next album but the release process has to go normally. He has to go out there. The band all together have to go out there so people can see it as a band. There's a lot that can be done to ease the pain point 2 caused last release but point 1 will never go at this point. People will never accept nu guns.

Pretty interesting take and for the most part I have to agree. Although I never felt Axl didnt care, I think he may have been more scared or apprehensive about the whole thing. Fact is the label was done putting money into this project and Best Buy allowed them to get their money back. Beyond getting their money back the label didnt care. although I will say the GH's sold more than enough for the label to recoup wasted Chinese money. I'll never understand and one day would like to know who from Universal allowed this album to financially get out of control? I just dont get it, I mean I know GnR has sold a lot of records but what artist has ever been given a blank check to throw money away like Axl did with Chin Dem?

I'll never understand why Axl didnt do some sort of interview with Rolling Stone and a sit down with a TV person prior to the albums release. There is really no excuse for not supporting what he fought so hard to create. IMO it gives the impression he didnt have the confidence in his own material to stand behind it, not saying that was/ is the case

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