Madridista Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 How many lineup changes did GnR have from the moment TSI was released and CD hit the stores? Any timeline around here? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snowmass Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 So many that it became a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) GN'RMarch 1985-Early April 1985:Axl - Vocals, pianoTracii Guns- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm and Lead GuitarOle Beich- Bass GuitarRob Gardner- DrumsLate April-June 1985Axl - Vocals, pianoTracii Guns- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff- Bass GuitarUnknown- DrumsJune 6th 1985-April 1990 (AFD, Lies)Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff- Bass GuitarSteven- DrumsApril 1990-July 11th, 1990 (Civil War):Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff- Bass GuitarSteven- DrumsDizzy - Piano, and KeyboardsJuly 11th 1990-November 7th 1991 (UYI I and II, UYI tour) :Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm GuitarDuff- Bass GuitarMatt- DrumsDizzy - Piano, and KeyboardsTSI (1993) November 1991-1992 (UYI tour):Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash - Lead and Rhythm GuitarGilby Clarke - Rhythm GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarMatt - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsEarly 1992-Early 1993 (UYI Tour):Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash - Lead and Rhythm GuitarGilby Clarke - Rhythm GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarMatt - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsTeddy Andreadis (UYI Touring Member only) – keyboards, backing vocals, harmonica, tambourine (1992–1993)Roberta Freeman (UYI Touring Member Only) – backing vocals, tambourine (1992–1993)Traci Amos (UYI Touring Member Only) – backing vocals, tambourine (1992–1993)Cece Worrall (UYI touring Member Only) – horns (1992–1993)Anne King (UYI Touring Member Only) – horns (1992–1993)Lisa Maxwell (UYI Touring Member Only) – horns (1992–1993)Early 1993-June 1994 (UYI tour, TSI):Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash - Lead and Rhythm GuitarGilby Clarke - Rhythm GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarMatt - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsFall 1994 to October 1996 (Sympathy for the Devil)Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarMatt - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsOctober 1996-January 1997 Axl - Vocals, pianoPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarMatt - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsJanuary 1997-April 1997Axl - Vocals, pianoRobin Finck - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarMatt - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsApril 1997-August 1997Axl - Vocals, pianoRobin Finck - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarChris Vrenna/Josh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsAugust 1997-Early 1998Axl - Vocals, pianoRobin Finck - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsEarly 1998-Mid 1998 (main lineup which wrote CD)Axl - Vocals, pianoRobin Finck - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsMid 1998-August 1999 (Oh My God)Axl - Vocals, pianoRobin Finck - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, Effects(Gary Sunshine and Dave Navarro guest on guitar on Oh My God)August 1999-December 1999:Axl - Vocals, pianoPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsChristmas 1999-2000Axl - Vocals, pianoBuckethead - Lead GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, Effects2000-2001Axl - Vocals, pianoBuckethead - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Robin Finck - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Paul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, Effects2001-July 2002:Axl - Vocals, pianoBuckethead - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Robin Finck - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Paul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarBrian "Brain" Mantia - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsAugust 2002-May 2004:Axl - Vocals, pianoBuckethead - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Robin Finck - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Richard Fortus - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarBrian "Brain" Mantia - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsMay 2006-June 2007:Axl - Vocals, pianoBumblefoot - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Robin Finck - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Richard Fortus - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarBrian "Brain" Mantia - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsJune 2007-April 2008:Axl - Vocals, pianoBumblefoot - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Robin Finck - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Richard Fortus - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarFrank Ferrer - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsApril 2008-March 2009:Axl - Vocals, pianoBumblefoot - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Richard Fortus - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarFrank Ferrer - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsCD RELEASEMarch 2009-Present:Axl - Vocals, pianoBumblefoot - Lead and Rhythm Guitar DJ Ashba - Lead and Rhythm GuitarsRichard Fortus - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarFrank Ferrer - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, Effects Edited June 16, 2012 by Indigo Miser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowmass Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 GN'RMarch-June 1985:Axl - Vocals, pianoTracii Guns- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm and Lead GuitarOle Beich- Bass GuitarRob Gardner- DrumsJune 6th 1985-April 1990 (AFD, Lies)Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff- Bass GuitarSteven- DrumsApril 1990-July 11th, 1990 (Civil War):Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff- Bass GuitarSteven- DrumsDizzy - Piano, and KeyboardsJuly 11th 1990-November 7th 1991 (UYI I and II) :Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm GuitarDuff- Bass GuitarMatt- DrumsDizzy - Piano, and KeyboardsTSI (1993) November 1991-June 1994 (TSI):Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash - Lead and Rhythm GuitarGilby Clarke - Rhythm GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarMatt - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsFall 1994- October 1996 (Sympathy for the Devil)Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarMatt - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsOctober 1996-January 1997 Axl - Vocals, pianoPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarMatt - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsJanuary 1997-April 1997Axl - Vocals, pianoRobin Finck - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarMatt - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsApril 1997-August 1997Axl - Vocals, pianoRobin Finck - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff - Bass GuitarChris Vrenna/Josh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsAugust 1997-Early 1998Axl - Vocals, pianoRobin Finck - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsEarly 1998-Mid 1998 (main lineup which wrote CD)Axl - Vocals, pianoRobin Finck - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsMid 1998-August 1999 (Oh My God)Axl - Vocals, pianoRobin Finck - Lead and Rhythm GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, Effects(Gary Sunshine and Dave Navarro guest on guitar on Oh My God)August 1999-December 1999:Axl - Vocals, pianoPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsChristmas 1999-2000Axl - Vocals, pianoBuckethead - Lead GuitarPaul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, Effects2000-2001Axl - Vocals, pianoBuckethead - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Robin Finck - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Paul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarJosh Freese - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, Effects2001-July 2002:Axl - Vocals, pianoBuckethead - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Robin Finck - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Paul Huge - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarBrian "Brain" Mantia - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsAugust 2002-May 2004:Axl - Vocals, pianoBuckethead - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Robin Finck - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Richard Fortus - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarBrian "Brain" Mantia - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsMay 2006-June 2007:Axl - Vocals, pianoBumblefoot - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Robin Finck - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Richard Fortus - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarBrian "Brain" Mantia - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsJune 2007-April 2008:Axl - Vocals, pianoBumblefoot - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Robin Finck - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Richard Fortus - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarFrank Ferrer - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsApril 2008-March 2009:Axl - Vocals, pianoBumblefoot - Lead and Rhythm Guitar Richard Fortus - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarFrank Ferrer - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsCD RELEASEMarch 2009-Present:Axl - Vocals, pianoBumblefoot - Lead and Rhythm Guitar DJ Ashba - Lead and Rhythm GuitarsRichard Fortus - Rhythm and Lead GuitarTommy Stinson - Bass GuitarFrank Ferrer - DrumsDizzy - Piano, KeyboardsChris Pitman - Keyboards, EffectsAgain- a total joke. An asterisk in RnR history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 In addition to those above, I believe I have read that there was an unknown drummer replacing Rob at some time during the every early days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 What about Dave Navarro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Broskirose Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 What about Dave Navarro?he wasn't no member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 What about Dave Navarro?he wasn't no memberDidn't he play on OMG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77Jesters Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 let's not forget Mr Gary Sunshine either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Broskirose Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 What about Dave Navarro?he wasn't no memberDidn't he play on OMG?yeah, as a session musician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droezle Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 GN'RMarch-June 1985:Axl - Vocals, pianoTracii Guns- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm and Lead GuitarOle Beich- Bass GuitarRob Gardner- DrumsJune 6th 1985-April 1990 (AFD, Lies)Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff- Bass GuitarSteven- DrumsCorrection:Early April 1985Axl, Izzy, Duff, Tracii Guns & Rob Gardener.Late April - June 1985Axl, Izzy, Duff, Tracii Guns & another drummer (unknown)http://www.gnrontour.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 GN'RMarch-June 1985:Axl - Vocals, pianoTracii Guns- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm and Lead GuitarOle Beich- Bass GuitarRob Gardner- DrumsJune 6th 1985-April 1990 (AFD, Lies)Axl - Vocals, pianoSlash- Lead and Rhythm GuitarIzzy - Rhythm and Lead GuitarDuff- Bass GuitarSteven- DrumsCorrection:Early April 1985Axl, Izzy, Duff, Tracii Guns & Rob Gardener.Late April - June 1985Axl, Izzy, Duff, Tracii Guns & another drummer (unknown)http://www.gnrontour.com/FixedWhat about Dave Navarro?he wasn't no memberDidn't he play on OMG?yeah, as a session musicianYes, Dave Navarro and Gary Sunshine have guest guitar parts on OMG, but they were never members of GN'R, not even for minute. It's the same as Alice Cooper guesting on The Garden or Shannon Hoon guesting on Don't Cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 What about Dave Navarro?he wasn't no memberDidn't he play on OMG?yeah, as a session musicianYes, Dave Navarro and Gary Sunshine have guest guitar parts on OMG, but they were never members of GN'R, not even for minute. It's the same as Alice Cooper guesting on The Garden or Shannon Hoon guesting on Don't Cry.Correct.Shame - Navarro would've been great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Yes, Dave Navarro and Gary Sunshine have guest guitar parts on OMG, but they were never members of GN'R, not even for minute. It's the same as Alice Cooper guesting on The Garden or Shannon Hoon guesting on Don't Cry.I wonder where the difference between being a guest artist and being a band member lies. Are you a band member if and only if you tour with the band, or if you write songs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) Yes, Dave Navarro and Gary Sunshine have guest guitar parts on OMG, but they were never members of GN'R, not even for minute. It's the same as Alice Cooper guesting on The Garden or Shannon Hoon guesting on Don't Cry.I wonder where the difference between being a guest artist and being a band member lies. Are you a band member if and only if you tour with the band, or if you write songs?I would imagine write songs in Axl's book. He didn't truly consider Gilby & Matt ''members'' for this reason. Edited June 16, 2012 by Indigo Miser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madridista Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 I think calling Matt an "additional musician" on the Live Era booklet was insulting, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellobeatle Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Howard Teman folks. Why does everybody forget about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) I think calling Matt an "additional musician" on the Live Era booklet was insulting, to say the least."A few months before [Live Era's] release, Sorum was quoted expressing his concern that Rose was 'being taken advantage of' by hippy healers he visited in Arizona." (Q Magazine, 05/01)"Axl got metaphysical and started spending a lot of time in Sedona, Arizona. These people were taking advantage of a guy with millions to blow on lunacy." (Matt Sorum, Spin, 07/99)"Rose made no public reply, but when Sorum saw a proof of the album sleeve, his heart sank: he was listed only as an 'additional musician.'" (Q Magazine, 05/01)According to Duff, Axl (and the rest of the band) always considered Matt to be on the ejector seat from day one. Axl didn't think very highly of him. Matt was fired and rehired numerous times between 1994 and his eventual firing in 1997.DEL: :Now that we've taken care of that, what about the flipside of the coin: the new guys, especially guitarist Gilby Clarke:?AXL: "Gilby is awesome, and a pleasure to be around. He works the stage and the crowd really well. Also, he helps give us a sense of rock 'n' roll normalcy - if there is such thing. Gilby has a way of understanding and dealing with situations that makes the whole trip more tolerable. His insights from being on the outside of GN'R helps us. He has his opinions of what's going on with us, and it helps us get a different perspective, ' cause Slash, Duff and myself have been in GN'R for so long and are so close to it that sometimes we don't see things like other people would. Every now and then he'll say something to me, and I'll go, "Wow, I didn't see it that way." He's been putting himself through his own rock-and-roll education with his other groups for years. Now he's a part of Guns N' Roses."DEL: Is he a "member" of Guns N' Roses?AXL: This "member" thing is quite interesting, I read in an interview where Matt [sorum, drummer] said that if he didn't get made a member, he wasn't going to be in Guns N' Roses. The truth of the matter is, Matt's a member of GN'R, but it doesn't really mean anything. It's kind of like a clubhouse/gang thing. We're all members of this gang. What it boils down to is, whose yard is the tree house in? Matt's a member of GN'R, and his opinions are taken into consideration. As far as that's concerned, Gilby is a member too, Dizzy is a member of the band. With all the background singers, horn players, keyboardists - we look at it like we're all Guns N' Roses. But the bottom line is, the business is basically run by Slash and myself. Then we run whatever it is we're discussing by Duff and see if he's cool with it. Guns N' Roses is basically Slash, Duff, Doug Goldstein and myself, but there's a lot of other people involved that are a part of our lives and a part of our family."[Axl] fired me two or three times and he called me back... [...] We all have been fired at least one time! You never heard about it? (laughs) Seriously, it's true that he sometimes goes too far. Sometime I open my mouth and I say 'Ok, Axl, fuck off!', then he fires me. So? I know he will call me the next day. I feel I'm in security and I know I will be the GNR drummer for a long time." (Matt, 1996)"Duff: [...] Matt was never a full member of the band, he was on an ejector seat and Axl said : 'I'm gonna fire him.' I answered that this decision required more than one person to be taken since we were a band, that he alone didn't own the majority. All of this because Matt told him he was wrong. The truth is, Matt was right, and Axl wrong indeed.Hard Force: Wrong about what?Duff: About schedules and the way Axl was late for the next album." (Duff, Hard Force, 1999)HP: What lies ahead for you and the band?AXL: Slash as been working on a lot of things, working on a lot of riffs with the band. I've just been working on where my head's at on things so I can approach the next record in a way that lets me go to farther extremes. If I'm going to express anger, I want to take that farther, and if I'm expressing happiness and joy I want to take that farther too. We really haven't really sat down to collaborate on songs yet. I wrote and recorded a new love song that I want on the next record called This I Love, that's the heaviest thing that I've ever done. Other than that, we're not even sure how we're gonna approach writing for this next album. Last time Slash would write his songs, I would write mine and Izzy would write his, and then we'd put ‘em all together. Well, this time there's no Izzy, and Slash isn't writing just his songs - it's gonna be more of a collaboration thing. We don't know if we're gonna be writing with Gilby or somebody else. We know we want to play with Gilby, but we're not sure about the writing.HP: Do you look at Guns N' Roses as a continually evolving entity, or are you satisfied with the personnel that's now in the band?AXL: It's definitely an evolving thing because everyone has different direction that they want to go in, and I wanted to get the band big enough that they'd have those opportunities. We had a lot of new people in the band, but what works at the end is what gets me and Slash off. We're not sure where we want to come from with the other band members as far as the writing goes, and, who knows, if someone isn't into a song, maybe they don't want to be there. We're rally into letting Matt go more off on his own in terms of drumming for GN'R. On Use Your Illusion, he was pretty much playing just what we wanted to hear on a particular song - which we already had together before he joined the band. On the record, he's one of the most amazing drummers I've ever heard, but he's better than that.HP: Did Matt earn such high respect more for the work he's done on stage or on album?AXL: More from just jamming. When he goes off on his own creative sense it's pretty amazing. I want to facilitate that getting out. I want Matt to just explode on the next record. Edited June 16, 2012 by Indigo Miser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadcaplaughs Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Didn't Mark Canter say at some point that Izzy came bakc briefly in 1996 and the early UYI lineup jammes a bit before things completely fell to pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madridista Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 Hm. Interesting read. Thanks But I always thought Matt was indeed a member since he recorded the UYI albums. Axl is indeed a strange individual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
californiaz06 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) Didn't Mark Canter say at some point that Izzy came bakc briefly in 1996 and the early UYI lineup jammes a bit before things completely fell to pieces.This is correct. Izzy came back and the UYI lineup was present for a few weeks in 1996. Izzy then left again. I don't know where Paul was at this point my guess is not in the band but close to Axl.Also Zakk Wylde was in the band for a couple of weeks. He never inked the contract but he was brought in to record a few songs. Those songs never surfaced except one that appeared on a Black Label Society album.Here we arehttp://www.metalsucks.net/2011/12/12/a-glimpse-of-the-guns-n-roses-that-almost-was-zakk-wylde-jams-with-axl-rose/I believe after this izzy was brought in the izzy left and Paul joinedI also recall an interview in which Axl mentioned gnr had a unknown guitarist that joined. It was either axl or Matt and they never said but I'm fairly certain that was Izzy Edited June 16, 2012 by californiaz06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) I think calling Matt an "additional musician" on the Live Era booklet was insulting, to say the least."A few months before [Live Era's] release, Sorum was quoted expressing his concern that Rose was 'being taken advantage of' by hippy healers he visited in Arizona." (Q Magazine, 05/01)"Axl got metaphysical and started spending a lot of time in Sedona, Arizona. These people were taking advantage of a guy with millions to blow on lunacy." (Matt Sorum, Spin, 07/99)"Rose made no public reply, but when Sorum saw a proof of the album sleeve, his heart sank: he was listed only as an 'additional musician.'" (Q Magazine, 05/01)According to Duff, Axl (and the rest of the band) always considered Matt to be on the ejector seat from day one. Axl didn't think very highly of him. Matt was fired and rehired numerous times between 1994 and his eventual firing in 1997.DEL: :Now that we've taken care of that, what about the flipside of the coin: the new guys, especially guitarist Gilby Clarke:?AXL: "Gilby is awesome, and a pleasure to be around. He works the stage and the crowd really well. Also, he helps give us a sense of rock 'n' roll normalcy - if there is such thing. Gilby has a way of understanding and dealing with situations that makes the whole trip more tolerable. His insights from being on the outside of GN'R helps us. He has his opinions of what's going on with us, and it helps us get a different perspective, ' cause Slash, Duff and myself have been in GN'R for so long and are so close to it that sometimes we don't see things like other people would. Every now and then he'll say something to me, and I'll go, "Wow, I didn't see it that way." He's been putting himself through his own rock-and-roll education with his other groups for years. Now he's a part of Guns N' Roses."DEL: Is he a "member" of Guns N' Roses?AXL: This "member" thing is quite interesting, I read in an interview where Matt [sorum, drummer] said that if he didn't get made a member, he wasn't going to be in Guns N' Roses. The truth of the matter is, Matt's a member of GN'R, but it doesn't really mean anything. It's kind of like a clubhouse/gang thing. We're all members of this gang. What it boils down to is, whose yard is the tree house in? Matt's a member of GN'R, and his opinions are taken into consideration. As far as that's concerned, Gilby is a member too, Dizzy is a member of the band. With all the background singers, horn players, keyboardists - we look at it like we're all Guns N' Roses. But the bottom line is, the business is basically run by Slash and myself. Then we run whatever it is we're discussing by Duff and see if he's cool with it. Guns N' Roses is basically Slash, Duff, Doug Goldstein and myself, but there's a lot of other people involved that are a part of our lives and a part of our family."[Axl] fired me two or three times and he called me back... [...] We all have been fired at least one time! You never heard about it? (laughs) Seriously, it's true that he sometimes goes too far. Sometime I open my mouth and I say 'Ok, Axl, fuck off!', then he fires me. So? I know he will call me the next day. I feel I'm in security and I know I will be the GNR drummer for a long time." (Matt, 1996)"Duff: [...] Matt was never a full member of the band, he was on an ejector seat and Axl said : 'I'm gonna fire him.' I answered that this decision required more than one person to be taken since we were a band, that he alone didn't own the majority. All of this because Matt told him he was wrong. The truth is, Matt was right, and Axl wrong indeed.Hard Force: Wrong about what?Duff: About schedules and the way Axl was late for the next album." (Duff, Hard Force, 1999)HP: What lies ahead for you and the band?AXL: Slash as been working on a lot of things, working on a lot of riffs with the band. I've just been working on where my head's at on things so I can approach the next record in a way that lets me go to farther extremes. If I'm going to express anger, I want to take that farther, and if I'm expressing happiness and joy I want to take that farther too. We really haven't really sat down to collaborate on songs yet. I wrote and recorded a new love song that I want on the next record called This I Love, that's the heaviest thing that I've ever done. Other than that, we're not even sure how we're gonna approach writing for this next album. Last time Slash would write his songs, I would write mine and Izzy would write his, and then we'd put ‘em all together. Well, this time there's no Izzy, and Slash isn't writing just his songs - it's gonna be more of a collaboration thing. We don't know if we're gonna be writing with Gilby or somebody else. We know we want to play with Gilby, but we're not sure about the writing.HP: Do you look at Guns N' Roses as a continually evolving entity, or are you satisfied with the personnel that's now in the band?AXL: It's definitely an evolving thing because everyone has different direction that they want to go in, and I wanted to get the band big enough that they'd have those opportunities. We had a lot of new people in the band, but what works at the end is what gets me and Slash off. We're not sure where we want to come from with the other band members as far as the writing goes, and, who knows, if someone isn't into a song, maybe they don't want to be there. We're rally into letting Matt go more off on his own in terms of drumming for GN'R. On Use Your Illusion, he was pretty much playing just what we wanted to hear on a particular song - which we already had together before he joined the band. On the record, he's one of the most amazing drummers I've ever heard, but he's better than that.HP: Did Matt earn such high respect more for the work he's done on stage or on album?AXL: More from just jamming. When he goes off on his own creative sense it's pretty amazing. I want to facilitate that getting out. I want Matt to just explode on the next record.Axl loved Matt when it suited him and then along the line hung him out to dry for having the balls to stand up for what he believed in when he said Paul Huge is inadequate. As much as Matt is easily mocked because of his frankly ridiculous appearance he is a great drummer who is much in demand and deserves more respect. Edited June 16, 2012 by spunko12345 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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