Vincent Vega Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Didn't Mark Canter say at some point that Izzy came bakc briefly in 1996 and the early UYI lineup jammes a bit before things completely fell to pieces.This is correct. Izzy came back and the UYI lineup was present for a few weeks in 1996. Izzy then left again. I don't know where Paul was at this point my guess is not in the band but close to Axl.Also Zakk Wylde was in the band for a couple of weeks. He never inked the contract but he was brought in to record a few songs. Those songs never surfaced except one that appeared on a Black Label Society album.Here we arehttp://www.metalsucks.net/2011/12/12/a-glimpse-of-the-guns-n-roses-that-almost-was-zakk-wylde-jams-with-axl-rose/I believe after this izzy was brought in the izzy left and Paul joinedI also recall an interview in which Axl mentioned gnr had a unknown guitarist that joined. It was either axl or Matt and they never said but I'm fairly certain that was IzzyPaul was already in the band as of late 1994 with Sympathy, working with Axl also.Izzy came back twice. Once for a week in April 1995, after Duff called him, asking for his help. He wrote ten or twelve songs with Duff in that period including Down by the Ocean. He left, and then returned sometime in 1996 and contributed to or brought in about 60 songs.Zakk Wylde was also brought in for a while in early 1995 and he wanted to do a lot of piano based stuff along with Metal.So you had a vaguely defined band that consisted mainly of Axl, Slash, Duff, Matt, and Dizzy with Paul, Izzy and Zakk all floating around. The main problem was trying to find someone who could help bridge the gap in personality and in terms of control/band dynamics that Izzy did. Someone who could basically be Izzy without Izzy's quirks. Izzy himself was brought back in but not liking drama didn't stay long and didn't plan on touring. Axl brought in Paul as he felt Paul could be the new Izzy in terms of laying down a riff or a foundation of a song for Slash to build on--Slash said no. Axl brought in Zakk Wylde, who was Slash's friend, hoping they would play off each other and get things going. Duff said that there was a level of enthusiam not seen in a long time in the brief period that Zakk was involved. Slash vetoed Zakk as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzi your illusion Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 The funny thing is, I really believe that if there was 1 firm lineup that came together after the dissembling of the old band, they would still get shit on as much as they do currently. As a fan it really is a pet peeve having people coming and going all the time. And I know it's not as much now, but I remember telling my friends in 2002 and playing bootlegs that this was a really great bunch of guys and getting people really interested. Only to have those same friends ask me about the band a few years later and I'd have to sheepishly reply "Oh well that guys gone, but this new guy he is almost as good as Slash too". It just is really hard to get behind a guy and put your faith in them when so often they just cut and run. If you look at all the old 70's and 80's bands that are doing nostalgia tours now its usually only 1 or 2 members left with a rotating cast, it became hard to differentiate that from what Guns was doing. And the only reason that the media doesn't pick on the fact that the members have changed so much is cause there to busy picking on Axl. If Chinese would of came out in 2002 and that band with that lineup was still together and put out lets say 2 more great albums after that, they would get just as much flack as these guys have. And that is a real shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) I think calling Matt an "additional musician" on the Live Era booklet was insulting, to say the least."A few months before [Live Era's] release, Sorum was quoted expressing his concern that Rose was 'being taken advantage of' by hippy healers he visited in Arizona." (Q Magazine, 05/01)"Axl got metaphysical and started spending a lot of time in Sedona, Arizona. These people were taking advantage of a guy with millions to blow on lunacy." (Matt Sorum, Spin, 07/99)"Rose made no public reply, but when Sorum saw a proof of the album sleeve, his heart sank: he was listed only as an 'additional musician.'" (Q Magazine, 05/01)According to Duff, Axl (and the rest of the band) always considered Matt to be on the ejector seat from day one. Axl didn't think very highly of him. Matt was fired and rehired numerous times between 1994 and his eventual firing in 1997.DEL: :Now that we've taken care of that, what about the flipside of the coin: the new guys, especially guitarist Gilby Clarke:?AXL: "Gilby is awesome, and a pleasure to be around. He works the stage and the crowd really well. Also, he helps give us a sense of rock 'n' roll normalcy - if there is such thing. Gilby has a way of understanding and dealing with situations that makes the whole trip more tolerable. His insights from being on the outside of GN'R helps us. He has his opinions of what's going on with us, and it helps us get a different perspective, ' cause Slash, Duff and myself have been in GN'R for so long and are so close to it that sometimes we don't see things like other people would. Every now and then he'll say something to me, and I'll go, "Wow, I didn't see it that way." He's been putting himself through his own rock-and-roll education with his other groups for years. Now he's a part of Guns N' Roses."DEL: Is he a "member" of Guns N' Roses?AXL: This "member" thing is quite interesting, I read in an interview where Matt [sorum, drummer] said that if he didn't get made a member, he wasn't going to be in Guns N' Roses. The truth of the matter is, Matt's a member of GN'R, but it doesn't really mean anything. It's kind of like a clubhouse/gang thing. We're all members of this gang. What it boils down to is, whose yard is the tree house in? Matt's a member of GN'R, and his opinions are taken into consideration. As far as that's concerned, Gilby is a member too, Dizzy is a member of the band. With all the background singers, horn players, keyboardists - we look at it like we're all Guns N' Roses. But the bottom line is, the business is basically run by Slash and myself. Then we run whatever it is we're discussing by Duff and see if he's cool with it. Guns N' Roses is basically Slash, Duff, Doug Goldstein and myself, but there's a lot of other people involved that are a part of our lives and a part of our family."[Axl] fired me two or three times and he called me back... [...] We all have been fired at least one time! You never heard about it? (laughs) Seriously, it's true that he sometimes goes too far. Sometime I open my mouth and I say 'Ok, Axl, fuck off!', then he fires me. So? I know he will call me the next day. I feel I'm in security and I know I will be the GNR drummer for a long time." (Matt, 1996)"Duff: [...] Matt was never a full member of the band, he was on an ejector seat and Axl said : 'I'm gonna fire him.' I answered that this decision required more than one person to be taken since we were a band, that he alone didn't own the majority. All of this because Matt told him he was wrong. The truth is, Matt was right, and Axl wrong indeed.Hard Force: Wrong about what?Duff: About schedules and the way Axl was late for the next album." (Duff, Hard Force, 1999)HP: What lies ahead for you and the band?AXL: Slash as been working on a lot of things, working on a lot of riffs with the band. I've just been working on where my head's at on things so I can approach the next record in a way that lets me go to farther extremes. If I'm going to express anger, I want to take that farther, and if I'm expressing happiness and joy I want to take that farther too. We really haven't really sat down to collaborate on songs yet. I wrote and recorded a new love song that I want on the next record called This I Love, that's the heaviest thing that I've ever done. Other than that, we're not even sure how we're gonna approach writing for this next album. Last time Slash would write his songs, I would write mine and Izzy would write his, and then we'd put ‘em all together. Well, this time there's no Izzy, and Slash isn't writing just his songs - it's gonna be more of a collaboration thing. We don't know if we're gonna be writing with Gilby or somebody else. We know we want to play with Gilby, but we're not sure about the writing.HP: Do you look at Guns N' Roses as a continually evolving entity, or are you satisfied with the personnel that's now in the band?AXL: It's definitely an evolving thing because everyone has different direction that they want to go in, and I wanted to get the band big enough that they'd have those opportunities. We had a lot of new people in the band, but what works at the end is what gets me and Slash off. We're not sure where we want to come from with the other band members as far as the writing goes, and, who knows, if someone isn't into a song, maybe they don't want to be there. We're rally into letting Matt go more off on his own in terms of drumming for GN'R. On Use Your Illusion, he was pretty much playing just what we wanted to hear on a particular song - which we already had together before he joined the band. On the record, he's one of the most amazing drummers I've ever heard, but he's better than that.HP: Did Matt earn such high respect more for the work he's done on stage or on album?AXL: More from just jamming. When he goes off on his own creative sense it's pretty amazing. I want to facilitate that getting out. I want Matt to just explode on the next record.Weird, in those interviews Axl paints the picture of him and Slash as the two most important guys in GNR. Or that is least what I see from it Edited June 16, 2012 by WhazUp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madridista Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 Didn't Mark Canter say at some point that Izzy came bakc briefly in 1996 and the early UYI lineup jammes a bit before things completely fell to pieces.This is correct. Izzy came back and the UYI lineup was present for a few weeks in 1996. Izzy then left again. I don't know where Paul was at this point my guess is not in the band but close to Axl.Also Zakk Wylde was in the band for a couple of weeks. He never inked the contract but he was brought in to record a few songs. Those songs never surfaced except one that appeared on a Black Label Society album.Here we arehttp://www.metalsucks.net/2011/12/12/a-glimpse-of-the-guns-n-roses-that-almost-was-zakk-wylde-jams-with-axl-rose/I believe after this izzy was brought in the izzy left and Paul joinedI also recall an interview in which Axl mentioned gnr had a unknown guitarist that joined. It was either axl or Matt and they never said but I'm fairly certain that was IzzyPaul was already in the band as of late 1994 with Sympathy, working with Axl also.Izzy came back twice. Once for a week in April 1995, after Duff called him, asking for his help. He wrote ten or twelve songs with Duff in that period including Down by the Ocean. He left, and then returned sometime in 1996 and contributed to or brought in about 60 songs.Zakk Wylde was also brought in for a while in early 1995 and he wanted to do a lot of piano based stuff along with Metal.So you had a vaguely defined band that consisted mainly of Axl, Slash, Duff, Matt, and Dizzy with Paul, Izzy and Zakk all floating around. The main problem was trying to find someone who could help bridge the gap in personality and in terms of control/band dynamics that Izzy did. Someone who could basically be Izzy without Izzy's quirks. Izzy himself was brought back in but not liking drama didn't stay long and didn't plan on touring. Axl brought in Paul as he felt Paul could be the new Izzy in terms of laying down a riff or a foundation of a song for Slash to build on--Slash said no. Axl brought in Zakk Wylde, who was Slash's friend, hoping they would play off each other and get things going. Duff said that there was a level of enthusiam not seen in a long time in the brief period that Zakk was involved. Slash vetoed Zakk as well....because according to him, he and Zakk were both lead guitar players, and he needed someone a little bit more low profile. And in his biography he says Zakk felt the same way too, that what they did sounded great, but awkward for GnR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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