The_Universal_Sigh Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Axl's biggest mistake with "new gnr" is the concept of "new gnr" closely followed by completely blowing his comeback in 2002 in basically every conceivable way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 His biggest mistake was to start new GNR at all. The band should just have stopped existing after all important members but himself had left it.So you'd rather have no GNR today, period, than have Nu-Guns?Yes. I honestly think it would be best if Axl retired at this point. But my post was referring to 15 years ago. He could have started a solo career in his own name instead, or just started up a new band (same band maybe, but with another name) and it wouldn't have been half the troubles that has come of that he chose to try to be GNR all by himself.But he didn't have to fight over the rights, the others signed over the name. Having full control and being the only original member left... it's easy to do what you want, the way he did. That said, carrying that big name without Slash and Duff must have been a pain in the fuckin' ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Satanisk_Slakt Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 His biggest mistake was to start new GNR at all. The band should just have stopped existing after all important members but himself had left it.So you'd rather have no GNR today, period, than have Nu-Guns?Yes. I honestly think it would be best if Axl retired at this point. But my post was referring to 15 years ago. He could have started a solo career in his own name instead, or just started up a new band (same band maybe, but with another name) and it wouldn't have been half the troubles that has come of that he chose to try to be GNR all by himself.But he didn't have to fight over the rights, the others signed over the name. Having full control and being the only original member left... it's easy to do what you want, the way he did. That said, carrying that big name without Slash and Duff must have been a pain in the fuckin' ass.Obviously it hasn't been without trouble at least. I think both his life and career would have been better if he never did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I don't really think that Snakepit record really was a great GNR record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Mistakes? He's about as narcissistic as they come. In his mind he's never made a mistake.He has been surrounded by yes-men and hangers-on his whole life and it got worse after 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madridista Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Biggest Axl mistake? Being late 80% of the time and storming off stage for stupid reasons. If he hadn't done that, chances are we'd still have GnR. Granted, Duff and Slash would've had to go to rehab and get sober for good, but I think they'd have agreed to do that after the UYI tour. I'm conviced Duff turned his life around after his kidney exploded. He'd have been sober and would've been able to think clearly. Maybe Slash would've followed suit and go to rehab too. Who knows? Maybe Izzy would've returned if they'd all gotten sober and kicked off their drug habit. IMHO.I mean, it doesn't take a genius to realize that Axl's chronic tardiness affected Guns n Roses beyond repair. Didn't Izzy leave because he couldn't take the drugs, the alcohol and Axl's tardiness anymore? Correct me if I'm wrong, GnR historians, but wasn't the last straw on the camel's back the St. Louis riot and the almost-riot in Germany? Both Duff and Slash say, and of course you gotta take what they say with a grain of salt, that Axl's tardiness created tension and animosity. The riots, cancelled gigs... it all played a part.And of course, the drugs and alcohol in Duff's and Slash's lives.It was gonna happen sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeper Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 His biggest mistake was to start new GNR at all. The band should just have stopped existing after all important members but himself had left it.This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Broskirose Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I really miss Robin's backing vocals on Nightrain...fixedThat too, but specifically Nightrain.Brownstone is another key Robin backing song.Yup. And don't forget CD - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Universal_Sigh Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) Regarding Snakepit:Well the problem was they weren't writing together. In the old days, they wrote together. By the mid 90s everyone jammed and wrote together except Axl. So the Snakepit record maybe should have been the record but it would be a lot different if Axl was in the room writing it with the others. The guy is so interesting in how his mind is so backwards but it all makes sense to him. Edited June 21, 2012 by The_Universal_Sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I don't really think that Snakepit record really was a great GNR record.If Slash did ask for the material to be unmodified, yes. You don't know if the material would have gotten better with Axl's direction and changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madridista Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 If you're the frontman and a band leader, you need to be there every step of the way. Does anyone honestly think that by not showing up to rehearsals, by only communicating with this friends/colleagues in the band through management Axl was really helping GnR move forward? I mean, one thing is to be late 2 hours for a show, but... standing up your band time and time again? Yeah... what a leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'll be in the minority on this one- but I actually have the converse view. I think the band's biggest mistake may have actually been letting the Finck/Freese/Stinson version fall apart when Robin and Josh departed in '99. Bucket and Brain are awesome- but overall I kind of feel like that's where the project lost a little of its initial "urgency"/momentum based around the idea of Axl pushing ahead aggressively with no apologies in a new modern direction for his big comeback. Once the revolving door started spinning on the project again it seemed like things really got bogged down with "re-recordings", different producers, chicken coops, puppets, clashes with the label as they went from initially "supportive" of the re-vamped line-up to impatient, agitated and focused on a reunion, etc. I really wish someone had gotten Axl to force out the Finck/Huge/Stinson/Freese album in '99 and that they played Lollapollooza, Woodstock, Ozzfest and whatever else that year. I think folks would have actually been pretty psyched to see Axl with the ex-lead guitarist of NIN and the ex-bassist from the Replacements, etc. Would have played well in the late 90s environment IMHO. Axl would have only been 37 at the time too. Great time to have potentially come back.All that said- obviously Bucket and Brain made some epic contributions on CD- so it wasn't all bad obviously...I think summer of 2001 would've been the perfect time to have put Chinese Democracy out. It was right before file sharing really ran rampant, and we would have had way more songs by now instead of the hoarding that's happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
californiaz06 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 They should have put out the album either in '99 with the Finck/Tobias lineup or '02 with Bucket. 99-02 was prime for the "comeback". After '02 I would rather have no GN'R than what they have put out today. Don't get me wrong I think CD is good but when it stacks up against the other Guns stuff, its a disappointment. I'm against GN'R releasing any more new music. Its also not fair of me to say that because in 2006 or 07 I would do anything for new Guns material outside of the leaks but after CD came out I was disappointed. I understand I'm in the minority but when I think of Guns N' Roses, I think of a band of extremely talented musicians putting out top notch material. Only half of that is true for CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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