Rustycage Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 LOL and that's where you fall on your face. They have REFUSED to look at the evidence. It's amatter of pride and they will only come out looking bad with reopening the case. Again, they have refused to look at all of the discrepancies.Why not just admit that you don't know a thing about the case. Doing so would be better than trying to label and attack people that do know the case.and you just dissmiss my point I know that cops does mistakes and people are wrongly comitted.... but we are talking about a guy who is one of the most famous rock stars ever! don't you think that somebody would be offere100000000000000xxxx dollors do find out the "truth".and if your evidence is reliable you would have a case.... nobody seems to think so.and do you really know anything more then you have found out using google? are you a police, medic, detective or anything related to an investigation or better yet was involved with the investigation?Dude, everyone who is informed of the evidence thinks there is a case. The only people who don't are typically those who don't know the case or the King County police. Even Courtney's own attorney thought she had something to do with it.Why are you refusing to just inform yourself first? It's easy. Quote
wasted Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Maybe he was like MJ, being worth more dead than alive for the people involved with him.Pretty much. He had just pissed off a lot of people for ending the band and refusing to do Lollapalooza. He was certainly worth more dead at the time.But he was also very isolated. He jumped the fence and was just wandering around on his own. Courtney was off trying to be more famous. Quote
Desperado Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 LOL and that's where you fall on your face. They have REFUSED to look at the evidence. It's amatter of pride and they will only come out looking bad with reopening the case. Again, they have refused to look at all of the discrepancies.Why not just admit that you don't know a thing about the case. Doing so would be better than trying to label and attack people that do know the case.and you just dissmiss my point I know that cops does mistakes and people are wrongly comitted.... but we are talking about a guy who is one of the most famous rock stars ever! don't you think that somebody would be offere100000000000000xxxx dollors do find out the "truth".and if your evidence is reliable you would have a case.... nobody seems to think so.and do you really know anything more then you have found out using google? are you a police, medic, detective or anything related to an investigation or better yet was involved with the investigation?Dude, everyone who is informed of the evidence thinks there is a case. The only people who don't are typically those who don't know the case or the King County police. Even Courtney's own attorney thought she had something to do with it.Why are you refusing to just inform yourself first? It's easy.really? how come there isn't none then?! you realize how stupd that sound I could inform myself and know as much as you probably in 5 hours. And why are you avoiding my question? I don't even have a reason to belive that you know what you're talking about. I'm not the one who is claiming anything other then what people involved with the case are saying is true or what the people who knew him best are saying is true. Quote
Rustycage Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I'm not trying to be condescending but you aren't even making valid points regarding the facts. The ones who won't reopen the case are the ones who refuse to look at the scientific analysis, the discrepancies and the documented lies. They are the ones who investigated the death and had it labeled suicide before even arriving on scene. I don't want to hijack the topic but I have followed this since this issue first popped up on the radio. I have read and discussed this hundreds of times. I started out thinking it was a suicide and changed my mind once I learned that all of the reports of him being suicidal were lies from Courtney. She manipulated the press and fed them lies. I don't want to copy and paste the case file so either just read it if you want to discuss it further or leave it alone.LOL and that's where you fall on your face. They have REFUSED to look at the evidence. It's amatter of pride and they will only come out looking bad with reopening the case. Again, they have refused to look at all of the discrepancies.Why not just admit that you don't know a thing about the case. Doing so would be better than trying to label and attack people that do know the case.and you just dissmiss my point I know that cops does mistakes and people are wrongly comitted.... but we are talking about a guy who is one of the most famous rock stars ever! don't you think that somebody would be offere100000000000000xxxx dollors do find out the "truth".and if your evidence is reliable you would have a case.... nobody seems to think so.and do you really know anything more then you have found out using google? are you a police, medic, detective or anything related to an investigation or better yet was involved with the investigation?Dude, everyone who is informed of the evidence thinks there is a case. The only people who don't are typically those who don't know the case or the King County police. Even Courtney's own attorney thought she had something to do with it.Why are you refusing to just inform yourself first? It's easy.really? how come there isn't none then?! you realize how stupd that sound I could inform myself and know as much as you probably in 5 hours. And why are you avoiding my question? I don't even have a reason to belive that you know what you're talking about. I'm not the one who is claiming anything other then what people involved with the case are saying is true or what the people who knew him best are saying is true.Are you informed about the WM3 case, as well? Police incompetence isn't malice from the immediate start but politics comes into play once it is discovered how wrong they were.What question am I avoiding? Your questions aren't even relevant to what really happened or is happening. THE ONLY PEOPLE ABLE TO OPEN THE CASE ARE THE ONES WHO INVESTIGATED IT AND THEY REFUSE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING!There is your answer again. This isn't a federal issue because there is no proof of misconduct. If there were, the DOJ could get involved and reopen the case. It's a local issue. A roadblock. Quote
Desperado Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I started out thinking it was a suicide and changed my mind once I learned that all of the reports of him being suicidal were lies from Courtney. She manipulated the press and fed them lies. He must have been the most depressed person I have ever heard so that is not true. Even Duff who saw him some days before he killed himself knew something was wrong.You must have seen About a Son? that is probably the most depressing film I've ever seen.... even I became suicidal efter seeing it Quote
Rustycage Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I started out thinking it was a suicide and changed my mind once I learned that all of the reports of him being suicidal were lies from Courtney. She manipulated the press and fed them lies. He must have been the most depressed person I have ever heard so that is not true. Even Duff who saw him some days before he killed himself knew something was wrong.You must have seen About a Son? that is probably the most depressing film I've ever seen.... even I became suicidal efter seeing it His closest friends say he wasn't suicidal. But how someone acts is never an absolute as some show a problem and some are happy and content knowing they made their final decision. What IS known is that the supposed suicide attempts before were actually NOT suicide attempts.And you're going by Duff and a movie to make your decision yet you won't inform yourself on the case? I can see this is a lost cause with you. My apologies to everyone else in the topic. Quote
Desperado Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Are you informed about the WM3 case, as well? Police incompetence isn't malice from the immediate start but politics comes into play once it is discovered how wrong they were.What question am I avoiding? Your questions aren't even relevant to what really happened or is happening. THE ONLY PEOPLE ABLE TO OPEN THE CASE ARE THE ONES WHO INVESTIGATED IT AND THEY REFUSE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING!There is your answer again. This isn't a federal issue because there is no proof of misconduct. If there were, the DOJ could get involved and reopen the case. It's a local issue. A roadblock.Yeah but prove that they are wrong now so that they'll look at it againwell there is no reason for them to do so yet. Just because the US government won't realise any files about roswell does that mean it was aliens? no, same thing.no there is no proof of misconduct because he killed himself, and if there would be any proof that he didn't they would do something about it.I started out thinking it was a suicide and changed my mind once I learned that all of the reports of him being suicidal were lies from Courtney. She manipulated the press and fed them lies. He must have been the most depressed person I have ever heard so that is not true. Even Duff who saw him some days before he killed himself knew something was wrong.You must have seen About a Son? that is probably the most depressing film I've ever seen.... even I became suicidal efter seeing it His closest friends say he wasn't suicidal. But how someone acts is never an absolute as some show a problem and some are happy and content knowing they made their final decision. What IS known is that the supposed suicide attempts before were actually NOT suicide attempts.And you're going by Duff and a movie to make your decision yet you won't inform yourself on the case? I can see this is a lost cause with you. My apologies to everyone else in the topic.The movie is an interview with Kurt that is over one hour long. It's two sessions one in 1992 and one in 1993 and they are talking about his whole life and his depression. You look at everything else exept the person you're talking about being killed. Edited June 26, 2012 by Desperado Quote
Rustycage Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Are you informed about the WM3 case, as well? Police incompetence isn't malice from the immediate start but politics comes into play once it is discovered how wrong they were.What question am I avoiding? Your questions aren't even relevant to what really happened or is happening. THE ONLY PEOPLE ABLE TO OPEN THE CASE ARE THE ONES WHO INVESTIGATED IT AND THEY REFUSE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING!There is your answer again. This isn't a federal issue because there is no proof of misconduct. If there were, the DOJ could get involved and reopen the case. It's a local issue. A roadblock.Yeah but prove that they are wrong now so that they'll look at it againwell there is no reason for them to do so yet. Just because the US government won't realise any files about roswell does that mean it was aliens? no, same thing.no there is no proof of misconduct because he killed himself, and if there would be any proof that he didn't they would do something about it.The US government is not involved at all. They have no right to get involved in the case until negligence or misconduct were to be proven. I don't you understand the answer again.This is not a "US government" issue as the case is a local issue, not a federal one. The proper channels of introducing the evidence is to those who investigated it originally. The ones who refuse to even accept it. They have made it a personal issue between them and an ex LA county police officer. You can't ask a blind man what color your shirt is so what makes you think anyone's mind can be changed there when they refuse to accept the evidence? Why are we stuck on this. This is the only roadblock regarding this case. Technicalities and pride from those who don't want to admit to being lazy. Quote
Rustycage Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Are you informed about the WM3 case, as well? Police incompetence isn't malice from the immediate start but politics comes into play once it is discovered how wrong they were.What question am I avoiding? Your questions aren't even relevant to what really happened or is happening. THE ONLY PEOPLE ABLE TO OPEN THE CASE ARE THE ONES WHO INVESTIGATED IT AND THEY REFUSE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING!There is your answer again. This isn't a federal issue because there is no proof of misconduct. If there were, the DOJ could get involved and reopen the case. It's a local issue. A roadblock.Yeah but prove that they are wrong now so that they'll look at it againwell there is no reason for them to do so yet. Just because the US government won't realise any files about roswell does that mean it was aliens? no, same thing.no there is no proof of misconduct because he killed himself, and if there would be any proof that he didn't they would do something about it.I started out thinking it was a suicide and changed my mind once I learned that all of the reports of him being suicidal were lies from Courtney. She manipulated the press and fed them lies. He must have been the most depressed person I have ever heard so that is not true. Even Duff who saw him some days before he killed himself knew something was wrong.You must have seen About a Son? that is probably the most depressing film I've ever seen.... even I became suicidal efter seeing it His closest friends say he wasn't suicidal. But how someone acts is never an absolute as some show a problem and some are happy and content knowing they made their final decision. What IS known is that the supposed suicide attempts before were actually NOT suicide attempts.And you're going by Duff and a movie to make your decision yet you won't inform yourself on the case? I can see this is a lost cause with you. My apologies to everyone else in the topic.The movie is an interview with Kurt that is over one hour long. It's two sessions one in 1992 and one in 1993 and they are talking about his whole life and his depression. You look at everything else exept the person you're talking about being killed. I've seen the movie. I haven't ignored a thing. Just because someone is depressed does not mean they were suicidal. And even if someone were suicidal, it does not mean you should not investigate a death.I know you think that was a "gotcha" moment but I hate to inform you that everything I am speaking about is not being pulled from nowhere. Debate the facts because you will waste your time trying to attack whether or not I know a movie.The movie was arranged to be depressing. That's the whole point. You're letting something irrelevant to the case cloud your judgement. You're following emotions. If you won't read it, I will put it in your face. Whether or not you read it will be on you....... Quote
Desperado Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 The US government is not involved at all. They have no right to get involved in the case until negligence or misconduct were to be proven. I don't you understand the answer again.This is not a "US government" issue as the case is a local issue, not a federal one. The proper channels of introducing the evidence is to those who investigated it originally. The ones who refuse to even accept it. They have made it a personal issue between them and an ex LA county police officer. You can't ask a blind man what color your shirt is so what makes you think anyone's mind can be changed there when they refuse to accept the evidence? Why are we stuck on this. This is the only roadblock regarding this case. Technicalities and pride from those who don't want to admit to being lazy.that wasn't my point.That may be the case... about people like you and me but not about guys with 1000000000000000 of fans. there is money to be made out of finding out the "truth" but it never will happen Quote
Rustycage Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 INTRODUCTION THE KILLING OF KURT COBAIN Composed in part from a letter I sent to Gil Gross at C.B.S. Radio when I first spoke out about Cobain's death in December of 1994.Solving a mystery isn't always an investigator's most difficult job. Breaking down barriers of communication between a private investigator and the police detectives can often be next to impossible. On Sunday, April 3, 1994, I was hired by Courtney Love to try to locate her husband, Kurt Cobain. Since the discovery of Kurt's body on April 8th, myinvestigation has continued into the mysteries surrounding the event of his death.During the initial phase of this investigation, mistakes were made by the police and by myself. That's going to happen in any complex case. Kurt Cobain wanted out. He wanted out of performing on tour, he wanted out of his band, he wanted out of the business that was pressuring him to produce his music instead of simply playing it. But Kurt Cobain did not want out of life. Regardless of what the Seattle police and King County Medical Examiner's have said, Kurt Cobain died Sunday evening, April 3rd or early Monday morning,April 4th. Although he may have been seen at the local park by the lake on Sunday,April 3rd, anyone claiming to have seen him after 7:30 AM on Monday morning is either lying or they don't really exist. Most information about these "witnesses" has been deliberately planted in the media. At least two people knew Kurt was dead before I was sent to Seattle to search for him on Wednesday, April 6th. Contrary to the police reports, a substantial amount of evidence indicates the note found at the scene was not a suicide note. It was not written to Courtney and Frances. It was a long, detailedletter written to Kurt's fans with a very short footnote to Frances and Courtney.The letter explained Cobain's decision to quit touring and stop performing with his band. Kurt was leaving Seattle to go East and stay with friends. He wanted to be left alone. He didn't want anyone to follow including his wife. That is what this letter is all about. That is ALL this letter is about. The body of the letter was written by Kurt with the possible exception of the following words added to the bottom, "...which will be so much happier without me. I love you, I love you." Those words appear to have been added by someone else. This has been a tedious investigation. It has also been a delicate balancing act, trying to stay in a place where I could continue gathering information while maintaining integrity with regard to my client. The Cobain case involves influencial and powerful people in the entertainment business. They are well connected. They are adept at manipulating and even silencing the media when their own personal interests are at stake. As a result, educating the public and bringing this case to a close will be a long, slow process. WHY SHOULD WE CARE ABOUT A DRUG ADDICT?Most parents and others over thirty years of age don't understand what this is all about. They see Kurt's death as "another junkie bites the dust." I probably would have felt the same way if I hadn't become so deeply involved in this case and in the events of Kurt's death. What most parents don't understand is that kids didn't look up to Kurt because he used drugs. His fans looked up to him because of his talent and the fact that they could relate to many of the feelings he expressed in his music. No one is more anti-drug than I am. Drug addiction is one of the most dangerous and destructive personal problems an individual can have and it's one of the worst problems our country faces. But drug addiction is still just a flaw, a mistake--a glaring example of bad judgment. Kurt didn't like the negative influence he had on kids because of his heroin addiction. He wasn't proud of the fact that he was a junkie, but he was honest about it! As we throw darts of criticism at the drug addict, how many of us can say that our own flaws and imperfections deserve any less condemnation? I do believe there are some evil self-centered people in the world, but I also believe skid row houses a lot of really good people who have suffered rejection because arrogance has overshadowed compassion. Most of us were idealists when we were young. The pressures of having to pay bills and support families can sometimes cause people with good intentions to begin compromising values in order to compete with dishonest competitors. Some of us have struggled financially over the years because we've tried not to give in to those compromises. Kurt was determined not to let greed control his life. He lost some minor battles on occasion because of pressure from a few of those around him, but flaws and all, this guy was for real! I grew to admire Kurt as I learned more about him. I've been getting letters from young people who tell me they were so depressed after Kurt's death that they had considered suicide also. We now know that over 60 young people around the world have taken their own lives because they thought that's what Kurt Cobain had done. When you get down, stop and look around. There's always someone nearby who is a lot worse off than you are! Don't let depression get the best of you and never allow anything that someone else does cause you to even think about taking your own life. Everyone goes through hard times but life really is worth living. Make the best of what you have. Turn negatives into positives, and remember... Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.COURTNEY LOVE On The Inside Courtney’s personality has been described by reporters and writers as flamboyant, frivolous, and provocative. But Courtney uses her baby dollappearance, her rambling oratories and her sometimes outrageous behavior to covera host of psychological problems. As an investigator looking for answers to a mysterious death, I viewed Courtney from an entirely different perspective than most. I found Courtney to be extremely intelligent. She’s also a psychopath, a pathological liar, and an opportunist who will use anyone and any situation to selfpromote her ambitious goals of fame and fortune. No, I’m not a psychologist. Courtney’s unbalanced mental condition isobvious. I don’t believe it takes someone with a degree in psychology to identify theproblem. The media may see Courtney as a person who is “facinating”. I see Courtney as a person who is dangerous. Courtney’s specialty is an uncanny ability to manipulate others to suit her purposes and to serve her needs. She changes her personality like a chameleon. She’s adept at becoming the victim when she’s criticized. She frequently puts on her baby doll act of sweetness and vulnerability while readily admitting, “I never claimed to be an angel.” Courtney can cry on a whim. She uses this “skill” to gain sympathy. She openly admits to being a liar and an opportunist. She wears these titles as badges of honor, often using her habitual lying as an alibi! This, most often, confuses the observer. In doing so, she’s allowed to get away with her schemes. Her antics areusually excused with a shrug, “Well, that’s just Courtney!” What’s really going on inside this chaotic mind? Listen closely while shespeaks. Read her interviews carefully. Courtney will tell you in her own words!A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH TOM GRANT - April 3, 1994 “In my world, people are pretty scared of me, so they don’t f--k with me...” US MAGAZINE - August, 1994 “Brilliant, yes, but a rock star? Kurt? No. I was going to be the more famous of the two of us.” ROLLING STONE - Dec. 15, 1994 “I finally said, ‘I’m not on this earth to f--k a rock star, I’m here to be a rock star. . I would create myself.” ‘My thing is, ‘Don’t f--k with me. In real life.., real, real life, I’m supersensitive... My goal keeps me alive... But if you think you’re going to stop me from going where I’m going, you’re not going to do it.” ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY-Aug. 12, 1994 “I’m on fire, you f---ers... be afraid... be very f---ing afraid.”CASE OUTLINE The events surrounding the death of Kurt Cobain are filled with lies, contradictions in logic, and countless inconsistencies. Here’s just some of... WHAT YOU WERE NEVER TOLD: COURTNEY LOVE.WAS FACING A DIVORCE Kurt was in the process of leaving Courtney and Seattle when he was found dead. Courtney knew Kurt wanted out of the marriage. Just weeks prior to his death, she asked one of her attorneys to get the “meanest, most vicious divorce lawyer” she could find. SOMEONE WAS USING KURT’S CREDIT CARD One of Kurt’s credit cards was missing when his body was discovered. Someone was attempting to use the missing credit card after Cobain died, but the attempts stopped when his body was discovered. COBAIN WAS IN FEAR OF HIS LIFE The shotgun found at the scene was purchased before Cobain left for rehab in Los Angeles, not after he fled the rehab as reported by misinformed media sources. The shotgun was fully loaded with three shells. It was purchased and loaded forprotection, not suicide. The police claim there were no legible fingerprints on this shotgun! In fact, the shotgun wasn’t even checked for fingerprints until May 6th, nearly a month after Cobain’s body was found. This is one of many items indicating a very sloppy policeinvestigation. THERE WAS NO “SUICIDE” NOTE!! The note found at the scene by the police was immediately labeled as a “suicide note.” The police report states it was “apparently written by Cobain to his wife and daughter, explaining why he had killed himself.” This note was not addressed to Kurt’s wife and daughter and it says nothing about killing himself! This note was written to Cobain’s fans telling them he was quitting the music business. There is a short footnote to Courtney and Frances, but the handwriting in those lines has been questioned by several handwriting experts.COURTNEY HAD ANOTHER NOTE FROM KURT SHE KEPT SECRET! Courtney was in possession of a second note after Kurt’s body was found! SHE DIDN’T TELL ANYONE about this second note until several months later when information about it slipped out during an interview with Rolling Stone Magazine. 9 Ihe second note, the one that Courtney kept in secret, clearlydefines the first note which was found at the scene of Cobain’s death. The second note from Kurt plainly states he was leaving Courtney, and leaving Seattle. He was NOT leaving the planet! COBAIN WAS INJECTED WITH 3 TIMES A LETHAL DOSE OF HEROIN! Cobain’s heroin, (morphine), blood level was 1.52 mgs per liter. This would require a minimum injection of 225 mgs of heroin, three times a lethal dose, even for a hardcore heroin addict! The drug Diazepam, was also found in Cobain’s blood system. THE OBVIOUS QUESTIONS:1. If Cobain injected himself with a deliberate heroin overdose, why would he also shoot himself in the head with a shotgun, leaving his baby daughter - the love of us life - with horrific visual images to remember him by? Why not just “go to sleep”on the overdose and never wake up? 2. If Cobain injected three times a lethal dose of heroin, COULD he then pick up a shotgun and shoot himself? Wouldn’t he have been immediately incapacitated? Based on the heroin, (morphine), blood levels found in Cobain’s body, researchindicates Kurt Cobain would have been immediately incapacitated. He could not have picked up that shotgun. He could not have pulled that trigger! IN ADDITION... KURT COBAIN WAS NOT “BARRICADED” INSIDE THE ROOM AS MISREPORTED BY THE MEDIA The stool which was supposedly “wedged” against the door was actually just sitting in front of the two unlocked doors that only led out to a balcony. KURT COBAIN DID NOT LEAVE HIS DRIVER’S LICENSE OUT FOR IDENTIFICATION AS REPORTED BY MISINFORMED MEDIA SOURCES. The first police officer on the scene found Cobain’s closed wallet, opened it to remove Kurt’s driver’s license, and displayed it in order to take a photograph.IN SPITE OF WHAT YOU’VE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE... The police and the Medical Examiner have no forensic evidence that proves Cobain’s death was a suicide. On the other hand, there’s a substantial amount of evidence to indicate Kurt Cobain was murdered. The official verdict of “suicide” was simply a rush to judgement which eventually painted the authorities into a corner as reports of so-called “copy-cat” suicides began making the news. As you examine this case carefully, you’re going to discover there’s much more to the events surrounding Kurt Cobain’s death than what has been reported in the media.Continued...........The US government is not involved at all. They have no right to get involved in the case until negligence or misconduct were to be proven. I don't you understand the answer again.This is not a "US government" issue as the case is a local issue, not a federal one. The proper channels of introducing the evidence is to those who investigated it originally. The ones who refuse to even accept it. They have made it a personal issue between them and an ex LA county police officer. You can't ask a blind man what color your shirt is so what makes you think anyone's mind can be changed there when they refuse to accept the evidence? Why are we stuck on this. This is the only roadblock regarding this case. Technicalities and pride from those who don't want to admit to being lazy.that wasn't my point.That may be the case... about people like you and me but not about guys with 1000000000000000 of fans. there is money to be made out of finding out the "truth" but it never will happenMore uninformed nonsense. The police department has nothing to gain from reopening the case. THAT is the problem. It is politics and pride roadblocking the case. Are you high right now or something?SUMMARY OF EVENTS Investigation into the death of Kurt Cobain By Tom Grant This summary was originally intended to serve as an outline to guide me through interviews with the media. It started out as a collection of one line sentences to remind me of details and events and gradually developed into itscurrent form. The material has been updated and revised periodically as I find time to work on it and improve the presentation of facts. It does not contain all of thedetails and information relating to this investigation. It merely highlights some of the events in brief comments so the reader might be better informed as to what transpired in April of 1994. This limited information was not originally intended to prove that Kurt Cobain’s death was the result of a murder. It simply laid the foundation for a much more detailed and complex case. Additional evidence continues to surface as the theory of suicide unravels and the truth regarding Cobain’s death emerges. PRIOR TO MY INVOLVEMENT Courtney and Kurt had not been getting along. They’d been talking aboutdivorce. Kurt did not want to tour or perform anymore. He was walking away fromwhat Courtney said was a $9.5 million dollar contract to headline the Lollapalooza tour. Courtney was angry at Kurt for the possible loss of all those millions. Her anger wasn’t working, so she tried to blame Kurt’s attitude on his drug use and put together a so-called “tough love intervention.” Among others at the “intervention”were some of the junkies Kurt did drugs with.Courtney claimed she told Kurt, “This has got to end. You have to be a gooddaddy!” This statement is somewhat pretentious, since it came from a woman who was doing drugs when I was first hired and continued her drug use during the eightmonths I worked for her. It’s hard to believe Kurt could have taken this whole“intervention” scene seriously. MARCH 26, 1994 Courtney left Seattle for the Peninsula Hotel in Beverly Hills. MARCH 30th Kurt and his best friend Dylan Carlson purchased a shotgun. Kurt told Dylan he was afraid of intruders at the house. Walking out on the Lollapalooza tour was a business decision that would cost others a great deal of money also. I have reason to believe Kurt may have been intimidated into believing his life would be in danger if he failed to do the tour.The shotgun was a 20 gauge, set-up for light load. This set-up is what gun dealers often recommend for home protection because the shot won’t penetrate walls and endanger those on the other side. Kurt was going to enter a rehab program in Marina Del Rey, California(near Los Angeles). He took the shotgun to his house and stashed it in a hidden storage compartment inside his bedroom closet. He then left for the airport and flew to L.A. APRIL 1stThirteen phone calls were made to Kurt’s rehab center from Courtney’s hotel room at the Peninsula. Most of these are to the patient’s pay phone. Courtney later told me she only talked to Kurt once that day. That evening, Kurt left the rehab. Later, at 8:47 PM, he called the Peninsula Hotel and left a message for Courtney. The message on the hotel log reads: “Elizabeth’s phone # is (213)-----” (this # is in my case file). Courtney never mentioned this message to the media. It doesn’t appear to be a message from a person who is “suicidal.” Kurt arrived in Seattle early Saturday morning, April 2nd, and was taken to his house on Lake Washington by a hired driver. (Saturday night Courtney had a friend plant a phony story with theAssociated Press that she had overdosed on drugs and was in the hospital. This planted story becomes significant later in the investigation). EASTER SUNDAVAT THE PENINSULA APRIL 3rd. Courtney called my office in Beverly Hills. She told me someone was using her husband’s credit card and she wanted me to try to find out who it was. I took another investigator with me named Ben Klugman. We met Courtney at the Peninsula Hotel in Beverly Hills. “If you leak this to the press, I’ll sue the f***_out of you,” Courtney warned me as we walked into the room. Courtney told us her husband was Kurt Cobain and that he just left a drug rehab. She said she lied to the credit card company and had his card canceled. She wanted us to call the credit card company and find out what the attempted activities were on this canceled card. I mentioned I couldn’t understand why she needed us for that. I advised her she could do that herself and save some money. If we did it, I’d have to charge her fifty dollars just to make a phone call. “What? That’s not enough money for you?” Courtney responded sarcastically. Courtney told us Kurt only had one credit card and without that one card he had no access to money. She said Kurt didn’t have any friends or anyone else that might loan him money. Knowing now who we were dealing with, this didn’t make sense! We questioned Courtney more about Kurt’s ability to get money for his needs. This guy can’t even catch a f**king cab by himself!” she insisted?” 12 Courtney told us about a story she had planted with the Associated Press theprevious evening. The story alleged that Courtney had overdosed and was in he hospital. She claimed the reason she did this was to scare Kurt and get his attention so he’d try to contact her. Later that afternoon while I was with her in the hotel room, Courtney ambled on in an angry rage about the “9 1/2 million dollars” Kurt was walking away from. She said, “If he doesn’t want the money, he ought to do it for his child, forFrances” She said she’d do the Lollapalooza tour for Kurt if he didn’t want to do it... She said she’d do Saturday Night Live if he didn’t want to do it... She said she thought Kurt wanted a divorce...She mentioned a prenuptial agreement, but said, “My name’s on all the houses and assets.” Courtney said she didn’t know for sure where Kurt was. She said he might be in Seattle, or he may have flown back east to stay with Michael Stipe. Courtney initially failed to mention Kurt had been seen at their Lake Washington house on Saturday morning, April 2nd, by “Cali,” (Michael Dewitt), the male nanny who was living at the Cobain residence. Cali later claimed he informed Courtney on Saturday, April 2nd, that Kurthad been to the house earlier that morning. Cali said Kurt entered his bedroom and they had a short conversation. Courtney asked me to find someone in Seattle to watch a drug dealer’s apartment and other locations in case Kurt turned up, but she didn’t ask us to watch the Lake Washington house, the one place we later learned Kurt had actually been seen! I sub-contracted with a P.I. firm in Seattle for the surveillance. A FALSE POLICE REPORT MONDAY, APRIL 4th. I met with Courtney again at the Peninsula hotel. Courtney told me she had called in a missing person’s report pretending to be Kurt’s mother, Wendy O’Conner. As we monitored the progress of the surveillance team in Seattle, we continued working with the credit card company trying to track the use of Kurt’s credit card. Someone was still attempting to use the card for various charges. Courtney advised us Kurt only stays in the best hotels. We began callinghotels from listings in the Seattle phone book. At one time we thought we had located him at a hotel under one of the aliases Courtney had given us. I notified Courtney and she asked us to watch the hotel in case Kurt might leave. Courtney told us she didn’t want Kurt to know she was looking for him. But during an earlier phone conversation, Courtney told me Kurt was suicidal. “Everyone thinks he’s going to die,” she announced. So now I had to wonder why she wouldn’t want the police or someone else to go to the room and try to save him?13 After less than an hour, Courtney called me and said she talked to the person in the room and it wasn’t Kurt. Of course I wondered why she’d call his room if she didn’t want him to know she was looking for him.WEDNESDAY, APRIL 6th. Kurt had still not been located. At the hotel later that afternoon, I volunteered to go to Seattle and search for Kurt. One of Courtney’s friends in the room said, “Why don’t you go up there, Courtney?” “I can’t. I have business I have to take care of here,” Courtney replied. I asked Courtney not to tell anyone I was coming because they might alertKurt. She agreed but later told me she had called Cali and told him I was on my way to Seattle. Courtney told me earlier that she didn’t trust Cali. Now she claimed, “He won’t tell anyone.” “Save the American Icon, Tom!” Courtney shouted dramatically as I left the hotel room and headed for the airport. THE SEATTLE SEARCH WEDNESDAY, APRIL 6th, 11:30 PM.I picked up Kurt’s best friend, Dylan Carlson at his apartment. We went to a cafe where we ate and planned our strategy for locating Kurt and finding out whatwas going on. I asked Dylan if he felt Kurt was suicidal. He replied, “No. Not at all. He’s under a lot of pressure, but he’s handling things pretty good.” I asked Dylan if he’d ever been told that the Rome incident was a “suicide attempt,” and he said, “No. Kurt said it was just an accident.” If Cobain was so “suicidal,” and if he had really “tried to kill himself’ amonth earlier, I wondered why nobody clued in his best friend, the guy he hangsout with! Wouldn’t they want Dylan to keep a close eye on Kurt? And if Kurt was so “suicidal,” wouldn’t Courtney want to make sure Dylan didn’t allow him to have access to guns?! Dylan told me Kurt had been afraid of intruders at the house lately and thathe wanted a gun for protection. He said he helped Kurt buy a shotgun to have atthe house when he returned from rehab. Dylan said Kurt didn’t want the shotgun registered in his name because the police had just confiscated his other guns. He didn’t want them to know he had this one or they might confiscate it also. After leaving the cafe, Dylan and I checked out a drug dealer’s apartment on Capitol Hill and several hotels on the Aurora strip where Kurt had been known tostay from time to time. I mentioned to Dylan that Courtney had told me Kurt only stays at the “best hotels.” Dylan appeared puzzled. “No, he doesn’t. He usually stays in some pretty ratty places.” While Dylan and I were driving around Seattle, I asked him if we should check with Kurt’s mother in Aberdeen. Dylan replied, “No. Kurt wouldn’t go there. He doesn’t get along with his mom.” 14 THURSDAY MORNING, APRIL 7th, 2:15 AM We went to the Lake Washington house. I waited in the car while Dylan walked up alone as we had previously planned. We didn’t want to alert Kurt to mypresence if at all possible. Dylan came back to the car after at least five minutes saying no one was home. I wondered what took so long if no one was home? We went to a pay phone and called Courtney. She was at Rosemary Carroll’s house in Los Angeles. Dylan talked with Courtney. I told him to have her call the alarm company and ask them to turn off the alarm so we could go in the house. Upon returning to the Lake Washington house, we gained access through an unlocked kitchen window. While we were searching the house, Dylan commented, “I’ve never seen the house this clean before.” A television was still on in one of the bedrooms upstairs and the bed was unmade. Dylan told me this was Cali’s room. We didn’t find Kurt. Dylan didn’t tell me about the room above the garage, and since it was dark and raining, I hadn’t noticed it. I dropped Dylan off at his apartment and went to my hotel for a few hours sleep. I picked Dylan up later and we resumed our search. We spent most of theday on Thursday checking out some of Kurt’s hangouts and talking to people who might know where he was. As evening approached, we headed for the small town of Carnation located about 30 miles east of Seattle where the Cobains owned two vacant cabins situated on several acres of property. But in the dark, Dylan became unsure as to whether or not he could locate the property. The increasing rain didn’t help much so we eventually turned back. We’d try another time. We stopped at a pay phone and Dylan made a call. When he returned to the car, he said, “Courtney’s had some trouble. She got arrested and she’s in the hospital.” Dylan eventually managed to speak with Courtney on the phone to get further instructions. Courtney wanted us to go back to the Lake Washington house to look for the shotgun. She said it could be in a hidden compartment in her closet. Since Cali had been at the house quite a lot, I wondered why she hadn’t asked him to look there before now? 9:45 PM Dylan and I returned to the Lake Washington house. Inside I found a note from Cali which had been placed on the main stairway. It wasn’t there the night before. Based on conversations I had with Courtney Love and Dylan Carlson, aswell as the events that led us back to the house, this note made little sense. In fact,when added to the information we later gathered, the note made no sense at all! I had a feeling the note was actually just put there for me to find. 15 16 KURT’S CARTHURSDAY - APRIL 7TH We found Kurt’s car parked in front of a friend’s house. There was a “FOR SALE” sign on the car. Although we know who drove the car to this location, I’m not going to discuss those details until the case is reopened. It’s not relevant and would only serve to confuse the issue right now. Here, Dylan Carlson checks to see if there’s anything in the car that might lead us to Kurt’s whereabouts. Continued................. Quote
Desperado Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Are you informed about the WM3 case, as well? Police incompetence isn't malice from the immediate start but politics comes into play once it is discovered how wrong they were.What question am I avoiding? Your questions aren't even relevant to what really happened or is happening. THE ONLY PEOPLE ABLE TO OPEN THE CASE ARE THE ONES WHO INVESTIGATED IT AND THEY REFUSE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING!There is your answer again. This isn't a federal issue because there is no proof of misconduct. If there were, the DOJ could get involved and reopen the case. It's a local issue. A roadblock.Yeah but prove that they are wrong now so that they'll look at it againwell there is no reason for them to do so yet. Just because the US government won't realise any files about roswell does that mean it was aliens? no, same thing.no there is no proof of misconduct because he killed himself, and if there would be any proof that he didn't they would do something about it.I started out thinking it was a suicide and changed my mind once I learned that all of the reports of him being suicidal were lies from Courtney. She manipulated the press and fed them lies. He must have been the most depressed person I have ever heard so that is not true. Even Duff who saw him some days before he killed himself knew something was wrong.You must have seen About a Son? that is probably the most depressing film I've ever seen.... even I became suicidal efter seeing it His closest friends say he wasn't suicidal. But how someone acts is never an absolute as some show a problem and some are happy and content knowing they made their final decision. What IS known is that the supposed suicide attempts before were actually NOT suicide attempts.And you're going by Duff and a movie to make your decision yet you won't inform yourself on the case? I can see this is a lost cause with you. My apologies to everyone else in the topic.The movie is an interview with Kurt that is over one hour long. It's two sessions one in 1992 and one in 1993 and they are talking about his whole life and his depression. You look at everything else exept the person you're talking about being killed. I've seen the movie. I haven't ignored a thing. Just because someone is depressed does not mean they were suicidal. And even if someone were suicidal, it does not mean you should not investigate a death.I know you think that was a "gotcha" moment but I hate to inform you that everything I am speaking about is not being pulled from nowhere. Debate the facts because you will waste your time trying to attack whether or not I know a movie.The movie was arranged to be depressing. That's the whole point. You're letting something irrelevant to the case cloud your judgement. You're following emotions. If you won't read it, I will put it in your face. Whether or not you read it will be on you.......and happy people kills them selfs too......and they did investigate the death but you just rather belive somebody who wrote a book about it to make some money.you're just like a truther and belives everybody is wrong exept you and the people who has telled you that what you belive now is the truth. You can't prove it or confirm it, you say you have proof but nothing that has already been dissmissed by other people who works with that kind of stuff.Why should I listen to a creationist about all his evidence how god made the earth when I can listen to Stephen Hawkings? Quote
Rustycage Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 WITH FRIENDS LIKE THIS. . . WHO NEEDS ENEMIES? CALl’S NOTE A note from a caring friend?.., or something else? (the picture of this note is on the case file page)“Kurt - I can’t believe you managed to be in this house without me noticing. You’re afuckin’ asshole for not calling Courtney & at least letting her know your, ok. She’s in a lot of pain Kurt, and this morning she had another “accident” and now she’s in the hospital again. She’s your wife & she loves you & you have a child together. Get it together to at least tell her your o.k. or she’s going to die. It’s not fair man. DO SOMETHING NOW.” After Kurt’s body was found, we met with Cali in Los Angeles. He told us he was hardly at the house from Monday on although he did say he had gone to thehouse a few times between Sunday evening, April 3rd, and Thursday afternoon, April 7th. In addition to the questions raised by the note Cali left, we have to wonder why he didn’t look in the greenhouse? Kurt had been in there for several days before his body was discovered!According to his note, Cali “couldn’t believe” Kurt had been in the house without him noticing! Why would Cali find it so hard to believe Kurt had been in the house if he wasn’t there most of that time! Cali told us that Kurt had come to the house early Saturday morning, April2nd, after he left the rehab in Los Angeles. He claims he talked to Courtney on the phone and told her about Kurt’s arrival at the house later that same day. Cali alsotold us later that he didn’t see Kurt after he left the house that previous Saturdaymorning.When I was in Seattle on Thursday, April 7th, Cali told friends he was leaving for Los Angeles. I never got to see or talk to him while I was in Seattle. But we know Courtney called Cali to let him know I was coming to Seattle to search for Kurt. If he really wanted to help Courtney find Kurt, why didn’t he make himself available to me while I was there. Why didn’t he stay in Seattle to help with the search? According to Cali’s note, he believed Kurt had come back to the house. How did he know?... and if he did know Kurt had been in the house since Saturday, why didn’t he stay around to tell me about it? Cali later claimed he stopped staying at the house because Courtney keptcalling to say she knew Kurt was still there. Once again, if Courtney thought Kurt was there, why didn’t she want us to watch the house during our surveillance on other locations in Seattle? And if Cali thought suicidal Kurt might come back to the house, why wouldn’t he want to stay there to help him?! With friends like this, who needs enemies?! Cali was in Rome with Courtney during Cobain’s alleged “accidental overdose” which was labeled “a suicide attempt” after Cobain died in Seattle. Referring to the days prior to Cobain’s death, Courtney later told the media, “Everybody knew he was going to die!” An examination of the content of Cali’s note raises several questions: Was this a note written to a person supposedly known to be suicidal, by someone who actually cared, or was this a note left by Cali simply to convince me and others that he didn’t know anything about Cobain’s whereabouts? And could it be that thisnote was left for Courtney’s benefit, to be used to create sympathy for the grieving wife after Kurt’s body was to be discovered? The answers become clear as more evidence of Cobain’s murder surfaces. KURT IS FOUND FRIDAY MORNING, APRIL 8th. Dylan and I were on our way to the Carnation property once again. Westopped for gas and Dylan got out to make a phone call. When he came back to the car, Dylan said a friend just told him a body was found at the Lake Washington house. Was it Cali, Kurt or someone else? We turned on the car radio and soonheard that the person found dead was Kurt Cobain. Dylan showed no reaction. 18 Later we heard on the radio that Kurt’s body was found in “the greenhouse.” I turned to Dylan and asked, “What’s the greenhouse?” He told me it was a room above the garage. “Why didn’t we look there?” I asked. “It’s just a dirty little room. I think they keep some lumber in there or something,” Dylan replied. I called my office and spoke with Ben Klugman. He told me the credit card company indicated someone had continued trying to use Kurt’s credit card as recent as Friday morning, April 8th, just hours before Cobain’s body was found. We soon learned Cobain had been dead for two days or more. Now it wasapparent that someone had been trying use his missing credit card since the time he left Los Angeles to return to Seattle. Someone also attempted to use that same card after Cobain died! I called the Seattle homicide detectives and tried to tell them something waswrong. The detective told me Kurt was locked in the room by himself. He said thedoor was locked from the inside and the fire department had to break a window on the door to get in, inferring that Cobain had to have been alone in the greenhouse when he died. I assumed they must know what they’re talking about, but I was curious about what kind of door lock this was. I spoke to Courtney on the phone that afternoon. She wasn’t at all upset that we hadn’t found Kurt. She acted as if she thought Kurt died the night before. If so, we could have saved him!Why wasn’t she angry at us? Courtney tried to get me to talk to the press. I told her I didn’t want to say anything until I found out more about what happened. This whole thing smellsrotten, I thought to myself. I left Seattle and flew back to Los Angeles. RETURN TO SEATTLE WEDNESDAY, APRIL 13th. I met with Courtney’s entertainment attorney, Rosemary Carroll, at her Hollywood office. She indicated that she was suspicious about Courtney’s involvement in Kurt’s death. “He wasn’t suicidal, Tom. Kurt wasn’t suicidal!” Rosemary blurted with adeep sigh. Rosemary told me that Courtney had called her “a couple of weeks ago” and asked her to find “the meanest, most vicious divorce lawyer” she could find.Courtney also asked Rosemary if the prenuptial agreement could be voided. Rosemary told me that Kurt had also called during that same time period. according to Rosemary, Kurt hadn’t completed his will yet and he told her he wanted Courtney taken out of it. Among other items discussed, Rosemary said she was disturbed andsomewhat suspicious that Courtney wouldn’t let her or anyone else see the so called “suicide note.” 19 I mentioned to Rosemary that Courtney told me she couldn’t go to Seattle herself because she had business to attend to in L.A. “She didn’t have any business in L.A.!” Rosemary responded. Rosemary then told me that on Thursday morning, while Courtney was at her house talking to Dylan on the phone, she overheard Courtney say, “Be sure and check the greenhouse.” Since Courtney directed Dylan to check the greenhouse, I couldn’t help butwonder why she hadn’t asked Cali to check the greenhouse in the past few days. We now know that after talking to Dylan on the phone Thursday morning,Courtney left Rosemary Carroll’s house and went back to the Peninsula Hotel. A short while later, Courtney called 911. First reports have Courtneyoverdosing again. She was later arrested. Rosemary Carroll has since shown me evidence that this was possibly a deliberate and planned event. As Rosemary and I concluded our meeting, we agreed it would be best forme to return to Seattle for further investigation into the events surrounding Cobain’s death. Rosemary, however, was adamant that Courtney should not be made aware of her suspicions and of the conversations between the two of us. 6:30 PM I flew back to Seattle. The next day I went to the Lake Washington house. A security guard at the house let me in and I found Courtney sitting at the dining room table. “I guess I really found the right P.I. this time,” Courtney said as I sat down to talk. The comment was not sarcastic. It was obviously meant as a compliment. The flattery was nice but in light of what had happened, it didn’t make much sense. After a short conversation, Courtney got up to get a cigarette and a lady walked over to where I was sitting. She was wearing a black T-shirt that read, “Grunge Is Dead.” I assumed she was a relative of Kurt’s, maybe a sister or cousin. She stood in front of me and asked, “You’re the investigator?” I nodded while she continued, “What do you think?” Not knowing who she was, I replied, “I don’t know. What do you think?” She answered by introducing herself. “Well, I’m Kurt’s mom, Wendy. I don’t know. Something doesn’t seem right. Why didn’t Dylan look in the greenhouse?” I told Wendy I’d like to sit down and talk to her some time in the next few days. She agreed and said she’d like to talk to me too. I noticed Courtney looking over her shoulder as Wendy and I talked. She seemed to be concerned about our conversation. As she walked back towards us Wendy walked away. Courtney went up to Wendy, put her arms around her and kissed her. I noticed Courtney whispering something in Wendy’s ear. The rest of the time I was at the house, Wendy seemed cool towards me, almost evasive.Continued...........and happy people kills them selfs too......and they did investigate the death but you just rather belive somebody who wrote a book about it to make some money.you're just like a truther and belives everybody is wrong exept you and the people who has telled you that what you belive now is the truth. You can't prove it or confirm it, you say you have proof but nothing that has already been dissmissed by other people who works with that kind of stuff.Why should I listen to a creationist about all his evidence how god made the earth when I can listen to Stephen Hawkings?Are you high? Seriously.I HAD TO SEE THE “NOTE” Courtney took me upstairs where we sat on her bed and talked. Since she wouldn’t even let her close friend and attorney, Rosemary Carroll, see the suicide note, I had to come up with a way to see it and get a copy for examination. “I heard you read the note on TV the other day,” I told Courtney. “I was confused about something; It sounded like the note said, “I’m lying here on the bed...” “If Kurt was lying on the bed when he wrote the note,” I asked, “Why was the bed so neat when I came in here the other night? It didn’t look like anyone had been on this bed.” “No, Tom, I was lying on the bed,” Courtney answered and repeated, “I was lying on the bed recording the message to Kurt’s fans.” “Are you sure that’s what you said? I asked. “I got the impression it was Kurt saying he was lying on the bed.” “No. Here, I’ll show you,” Courtney said as she reached to retrieve a folded paper from under a pillow. “It’s only a copy.” Courtney pointed out while handing me the note. “The police have the original.” I studied the note as if looking for the phrase in question, then commented, “I can’t read this without my glasses. Can I go downstairs and make a copy on your fax machine? I’ll look at it later.” “Yeah... sure,” Courtney mumbled as her eyes dropped out of an icy stare. When I came back upstairs, Courtney was kneeling on the floor looking in aphone book. A telephone was on the floor next to her. Would you wait downstairs, Tom?” she snapped. A few minutes earlier Courtney was friendly. Now she seemed irritated! It seemed obvious that she was upset that I had gotten a copy of the note? A TRIP TO CARNATION Later that day we made plans to go to the Carnation property. Eric Erlandson, Hole’s guitarist, was supposed to go with us but while at the Lake Washington house earlier, Courtney took Eric into another room to talk to him in private. When they came out, Eric left the house alone in his van. “I thought Eric was going with us?” I asked. “He’ll meet us there,” Courtney replied. Kat Bjelland, guitarist for Babes In Toyland, rode along in the back seat of my rental car as Courtney and I drove to Carnation. During the drive Courtney began talking about the “son of a bitch” who gave the story to the Associated press saying she had overdosed on April 2nd. Courtney soon became agitated and grumbled, “I’m going to find out who the hell it was and sue that mother f**ker for libel. I can prove I was at the hotel. People saw me there. It was a total lie.” You told me you planted that story,” I reminded Courtney. Huh? …Oh” she responded… and turned to look out the window. During the drive Courtney wanted to stop twice for snacks. We also missed the turn off, getting lost temporarily and having to solicit directions from a nearby farmer. This seemed a little strange when I later discovered one of the houses on the property had just been built. Courtney must have been out there several times while the house was under construction and it wasn’t all that difficult to find. I wondered if these delays weren’t deliberate? When we arrived at the Carnation property, I noticed the two houses on the property reflected what I’d already come to know about Kurt and Courtney’s individual personalities. One was an old weathered cabin full of well used furniture and bedding. It looked like the home of a person living in poverty! This is where Kurt apparently felt the most comfortable. The other house was a brand new wood sided mansion, vacant and yet to be furnished. This house was an exhibition of success and wealth. The two houses are separated by a pond with a newly constructed walking bridge connecting the old to the new. We went into the old cabin first. Courtney and Kat went upstairs to the loft while I stayed downstairs to look around. I noticed a jacket and other clothing spread around the living room and on the floor near the coffee table was a large box containing nothing but Rolling Stone magazines, about thirty or so. Based on conversations I had in the car with Courtney, it was apparent that she wanted me to believe Kurt had been to the Carnation property after he fled the rehab in Los Angeles and returned to Seattle. As I looked around the old cabin, I noticed everything was covered with a very thin layer of moss. The moss was apparently present due to high humidity and it indicated no one had disturbed anything in this cabin for quite some time. When Courtney and Kat came back downstairs, Courtney reached into her coat pocket and pulled out a cloth pouch. “Look Tom. Kurt was here,” she said, as she opened the pouch revealing a syringe inside. “No way!” I thought to myself. This didn’t look like something a person like Cobain would use to keep a syringe in. If he did bring it to the cabin, why would he have left it here? And what about the moss? I suspected Courtney had brought the pouch with her. Kat walked over to the bathroom, went inside, and began screaming a few seconds later. There were five dead rats in the toilet! They’d obviously been there for quite some time. It was obvious no one had used this cabin recently. My suspicions were confirmed. In the new house we found a sleeping bag, some cigarette butts and soda cans scattered about. Courtney wanted to take these items back with us. She said she wanted to get them fingerprinted. What’s the big deal here? I wondered. Why is it so important that she proves Kurt was here recently? I noted that Eric never showed up at the Carnation property. Had he comeand gone before we arrived? 22 During the drive back to the Lake Washington residence, Courtney told Kat and I that she was going to make a rubber hand from a cast she’d made of Kurt’s hand. She said she was going to use it to slap people in the face and say, “There! That’s from Kurt!” I mentioned I’d worked with hand casts and it was amazing how you could even duplicate fingerprints using certain silicon materials. Courtney appeared strangely discouraged. After this bizarre conversation, I never heard any more about printing the items found at the Carnation property. Had this been part of a scheme to try to convince me and others that Kurt had been to the Carnation property after leaving the rehab in Los Angeles? THE CARNATION PROPERTY HERS and HIS “One is an old weathered cabin with furniture and bedding. The other is a brand new mansion, vacant and unfurnished.”23 During the trip to Carnation, Courtney talked to Seattle narcotics Detective Antonio Terry on my cell phone. I learned later she’d been talking to Terry quite a lot during the time Kurt was missing. Detective Terry was even mentioned in themissing person’s report as having additional information about Kurt. Remember Terry’s name. It will come up again later. While Courtney was out of the car during one of our stops, I heard radio commentator Paul Harvey talk about a rumored suicide pact which supposedly existed between Courtney and Kurt. This was typical of the type of planted stories I’d heard Courtney originate on her own, then blame others for leaking the story to the press. I wondered if there was a connection between her fake “overdose” Saturdaynight and her possible deliberate overdose and arrest Thursday morning. Had sheexpected Kurt to die Saturday night? Had she anticipated someone finding his bodyshortly thereafter? When that didn’t happen, did she expect Dylan and I to find his body Thursday morning? Had Courtney tried to make this look like a suicide pact? OBSTRUCTING THE INVESTGATION Back at the house, I told Courtney I’d like to talk to Cali and Dylan together.Courtney replied, “Cali went to rehab in El Paso, or Georgia... no, he’s in L.A. with friends.” Then she shouted to Eric, “Call Cali and tell him to get back up here on the next plane.” Dylan arrived at the house while I was in the kitchen. When I came out and started looking for him, I was told he was upstairs talking to Courtney in her bedroom. They came downstairs together after about twenty minutes. It was obvious Dylan had just gotten a heroin fix. I took Dylan into the kitchen to talk. As I began questioning him I noticedhis response was canned as if he’d just been rehearsed for questioning. As wetalked, Dylan kept nodding off from the heroin. There was no sense in continuing.I left the house after asking Eric to call my hotel room when Cali got there. After several hours, I called the Lake Washington house and spoke again to Eric. He told me that after I left, Courtney had him call Cali and tell him he didn’t have to come to Seattle. Eric said, “I don’t know what’s going on here!” SATURDAY, APRIL 16th. Ben Klugman had flown to Seattle the day before to work with me. Ben and I went back to the Lake Washington house to talk to Courtney. The lady who answered the door told us Courtney was upstairs sleeping. Iasked her if Wendy was there. She said Wendy was downstairs. I asked the lady tolet Wendy know I was there and to ask her if we could talk. She left, returning a couple of minutes later to inform me, “Wendy says she has nothing to talk to you about.” We left and after following up on some other leads, Ben and I returned to our hotel. 24 The electrical supervisor, Charles Pelly, who had been at the scene of Kurt’s death, met with Ben and I later in my hotel room. Pelly told us that it looked tohim as if Kurt’s hair had been neatly combed. I realized this could have been just his perception but I wanted to see the police photos to be sure. Pelly also informed us that Courtney had called the electrical contractors on Wednesday, April 6th, (before I had agreed to fly to Seattle). She instructed the electricians to begin work on the lights and motion detector on the greenhouse! Did she know Kurt was inside? Was she trying to get the body discovered? DOCUMENT EXAMINATION WAS IT CREDIBLE? I faxed off several documents, including a copy of the “suicide note,” to two separate document examiners in Los Angeles. The document examiners later told me, based on the photocopies they had examined, it was their opinion Courtney wrote the letter left on the stairs, not Cali. This explanation wasn’t logical. Courtney was still in Beverly Hills when this note showed up on the stairs. Why would Courtney write a note and make it look like Cali had written it? Why not just tell Cali what to write? If the document examiners were right, something was definitely going on here and foul play would be much easier to prove. Still, I found their conclusions to be illogical and hard to believe. MEETING WITH THE POLICE On April 15th, one week after Cobain’s body was found, I went to the Seattle police station and met with Sgt. Cameron, one of the homicide investigatorsassigned to the Cobain case. Items discussed with Sgt. Cameron included: 1. Numerous inconsistencies and contradictions in logic... • The missing credit card and the continued activity on the card, evenafter Kurt’s death... • Courtney specifically told Dylan to check the greenhouse, but Dylandidn’t even tell me there was a greenhouse... • The letter on the stairs from Cali seemed phony and didn’t make sense... • Document examiners said Courtney wrote the letter on the stairs... • There are doubts about Kurt’s handwriting on the so-called “suicide note,” especially the bottom portion... • The electrician’s statement about Kurt’s hair appearing to have been combed... Continued................... Quote
Desperado Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) It's 5 in the morning so I'm not going to read all that now EDIT: also I posted a comment before that if you missed it Edited June 26, 2012 by Desperado Quote
Rustycage Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 2. Courtney’s motives for possible involvement in Cobain’s death?:• She’d get more money from a suicide than from a divorce. With a suicide, Courtney would inherit and control the Cobain (Nirvana) estate. If Kurt divorced her, she’d have to settle for half of Kurt’s assets, at best... • Kurt’s record sales would increase, leaving Courtney with even more income… and… Based on what I’d learned about her personality, Kurt’s death and the publicity it was generating, would help Courtney launch her career. I asked Sgt. Cameron why he told me the door was locked from the inside, pointing out that the lock was a simple push-in and twist type. “Anyone could have pulled that door shut after locking it!” I added. “There was a stool wedged up against the door,” Sgt. Cameron replied, with a touch of resentment in his voice. I assumed the police had evidence that Kurt was alone when the shotgun was discharged, but I still had some real problems with this case! So I asked Sgt. Cameron if I could look at the photographs to see why the electrical supervisor thought Kurt’s hair had been combed. “We haven’t developed the photographs and probably never will,” he responded. “We don’t develop photographs on suicides.” “Nothing you’ve said convinces me this is anything but a suicide,” Sgt. Cameron informed me as we concluded the meeting. CONTINUING THE INVESTIGATION I spent the next few weeks trying to determine if my document examiners were correct. Through my own testing I was eventually convinced they were wrong. I concluded Cali did write the letter I found on the stairs at the Lake Washington house. It was not written by Courtney Love. One of the document examiners finally admitted her mistake. The other remained firm in her original opinion. I called Detective Kirkland and told him I now believed the document examiners were mistaken. Kirkland didn’t seem to understand the significance. It was obvious they were paying little attention to anything I had to say about this case. As I studied media material relating to Cobain’s death, I found television, magazine and newspaper coverage to be full of planted stories and misinformation. One story had Courtney grieving at home. I read this story just a couple of days after Courtney had called me from Canyon Ranch in Arizona. During our conversation she told me she was there with Billy Corgan, (Smashing Pumkins lead singer). She also confided that they were sleeping together. This was just three weeks after her husband was found dead! 27 THE GREENHOUSE DOOR LOCK (picture is on the case file page)IS THIS EVIDENCE THAT COBAIN WAS “BARRICADED” INSIDE? That’s what the police told us. That’s what the media reported. But this door can easily be locked from the inside, then pulled shut from the outside. (The black plastic was taped over the other French door by the police to cover the broken glass and to prevent photographers from taking pictures from the rear of the property). COURTNEY LOVE ON NOTICE MAY 8TH, 1994 I sent Courtney a letter indicating my suspicions about Kurt’s death. Dear Courtney, I’m sure you know by now that my investigation has been somewhat more active than you might have been aware of. The purpose of this letter is to clarify my position regarding our working relationship. You may recall our trip to Carnation on Thursday, April 14th. I mentioned during the drive that I was beginning to turn over some “rocks” that I wasn’t sure you’d want turned over. I asked you if you wanted me to continue digging. Kat, who was in the back seat, said, “Oh yeah, she wants to know everything.” You responded, “Yeah Tom, do whatever it takes. I want to know everything that happened.” Your instructions were clear, so in the days and weeks that followed, I proceeded to “do whatever it takes.” As the investigation continued my attempts to get at the truth often seemed to be deliberately hindered. While reading some of the articles being written in newspapers and magazines I discovered the information being released to the press was inaccurate and often cleverly misleading. I consider the circumstances surrounding your husband’s death to be highly suspicious. My investigation has exposed a number of inconsistencies in the facts of this case as well as many contradictions in sound logic and common sense. I’m required to report findings such as these to the police, so on Friday, April 15th, I spoke with Sgt. Cameron about some of what I’ve learned so far. As I’ve experienced in past cases, police detectives don’t often welcome the work of outside investigators. I’ve learned it’s somewhat idealistic and naive to think the truth might be more important than professional pride. I’ve decided to continue working on this case until I see it to its conclusion, without additional charge. Attached you will find an invoice which accounts for the charges billed for our services, including time and expenses. As you can see, prior to my return to Seattle on April 13th, these charges exceeded the retainer amount. However, please consider your bill paid in full. There will be no further charges. As I pursue the truth regarding the events surrounding your husband’s death, your cooperation and assistance will be appreciated, but not required. Sincerely,Tom Grant THE GRANT COMPANY 28 29 MAINTAINING THE LINES OF COMMUNICATIONI anticipated an angry reply from Courtney. Instead she responded by retaining me to do more work for her. This work was unrelated to the investigation into Kurt’s death. The work was time consuming and when I finished it became obvious she didn’t really care about the results. During conversations with Courtney over the next several months, she encouraged me to continue investigating Kurt’s death, but she often sabotaged any efforts to obtain information. Whenever I started talking to people close to Courtney about Kurt’s death, she’d hire me to do another, unrelated job. It seemed that she really had very few options at this point. Getting angry would just create more suspicion. Cutting off contact would keep her in the dark about what I was doing. Courtney may have also assumed I’d accept more work as a payoff. Courtney often told me she thought Kurt was with “Katlin” before he died. Katlin was a drug dealer living in Seattle’s Capitol Hill area. Since we had someone watching Katlin’s apartment and video taping nearly everyone coming and going, it seemed odd that Courtney had not asked for the surveillance tapes. During a meeting later in my Beverly Hills office, Cali told us he checked the greenhouse on Sunday but never after that. “It’s just a dirty, gross little room,” Cali said. The truth is, the greenhouse was a rather large, clean room. It measured 19 feet by 23 feet. In the May 11th issue of the Seattle Times, Dylan told a Times reporter he didn’t know the greenhouse was there. “For all the times I’d been there, I didn’t even realize there was a room above it associated with the house.” This contradicted the conversation I had with Dylan in the car on the day Kurt was found. Several weeks later, Courtney told me she gave Cali $30,000 to go to a rehab somewhere back east. She said she was angry because he took his girlfriend with him. Was this, in reality, a payoff to Cali? POLICE REPORTS BRING STARTLING REVELATIONS Many weeks after Cobain’s death, I finally received copies of the police reports. The reports indicated the credit card used by Cobain to purchase the tickets for his flight from Los Angeles to Seattle--the credit card Courtney had canceled but someone was still attempting to use--was not found in his wallet or other property. Kurt had two other Versateller cards in his wallet, along with $120 in cash which was on the floor, and $63 in cash was found in Kurt’s coat pocket. Studying the reports further, I discovered misleading information had been given to the police, to me, and to the press. The Missing Persons report filed by Courtney Love while pretending to be Wendy O’Conner, reads, “Mr. Cobain ran away from California facility and flew back to Seattle. He also bought a shotgun and may be suicidal.” The wording of this report made it sound like he purchased the shotgun afterhe left the rehab in L.A. The report also failed to mention Kurt was last seen at the Lake Washington house after he left the rehab! Also, according to the police reports, the stool Sgt. Cameron said was wedged against the entrance doors, was actually just sitting in front of the unlocked balcony doors on the other side of the room. These doors didn’t allow access since there’s no stairway to that balcony. As mentioned earlier, the entrance door to the greenhouse had a push and twist lock. Anyone could have locked it and pulled it shut as they left, so Kurt was NOT barricaded in the room as the police had indicated to me and as the media had reported. Kurt’s driver’s license had been removed and placed in front of his wallet for a photograph by an officer on the scene, not by Kurt Cobain! Kurt had not left his driver’s license out so that his body could be identified as reported by the misinformed media. The first officers on the scene had taken 23 Polaroids. The police did have photographs they could have shown me! The canceled credit card was not in Kurt’s possession and there was no attempt in these reports to explain the missing credit card... and yet the case was now closed! MORE DEATHS… MORE MURDERS? JUNE 4th, 1994 Narcotics Detective Terry was murdered. He’s the first Seattle police officer to be murdered in the line of duty in nine years. I’ve read the news reports and although it is quite a coincidence, it doesn’t appear Detective Terry’s murder is connected to the Cobain case. But, I’d like to know more! JUNE 15th.Kristen Pfaff, the bass player for Courtney’s band Hole, died of an alleged drug overdose. Her body was found in the bathtub inside the bathroom of her Seattle apartment. Kristen’s death occurred the evening before she was to leave Seattle to go back to Minneapolis. In a recent interview, Courtney said she had to go drag Eric away from Kristen’s body. At the very least, this means Courtney was in Seattle at the time of Kristen’s death. I’m very suspicious of the circumstances of Kristen’s death. Evidence will show Kurt was planning to leave Courtney and Seattle shortly after he returned from the rehab in Los Angeles. Kristen was also leaving Seattle, getting away from Courtney. Was this a coincidence?... Or was it murder? Continued..................It's 5 in the morning so I'm not going to read all that now As if......“COPYCAT” SUICIDESReports of so-called “copycat” suicides continue to surface. Many of Kurt’s fans are having difficulty dealing with his alleged suicide and feel if he thought suicide was the answer for his problems, then they’d solve their problems the same way. I’m appalled that no one in the Cobain camp is speaking out about this, trying to put a stop to these senseless deaths. ANOTHER COINCIDENCE? JUNE 17th. The original so-called “suicide” note from Kurt’s death was returned to Courtney. The police also returned the note from Rome at this time. Courtney had given the Rome note to the police for handwriting comparison. I find it interesting that the police returned some of the last pieces of physical evidence relating to Cobain’s death, to Courtney, right after Kristen Pfaff was found dead! “GAG ORDERS” As my investigation continued from Beverly Hills, I tried to get Cali back in for additional questioning. He was living in Los Angeles at the time, so it would have been convenient for him to come to my office. But whenever I started to focus on Cali, Courtney would give me another time consuming job unrelated to this case. Courtney eventually tried to get me to sign a confidentiality agreement. I told her to send me a copy and I’d look at it. But, I added, “I’m not going to sign anything that could interfere with my investigation.” Courtney also said she wanted to get Cali and another friend by the name of Renee Naverette, to sign a confidentiality agreement. She said, “Everyone who works for me has to sign it.” Why now? I wondered. She’s known Cali for years! THE ROLLING STONE INTERVIEW Courtney Reveals the “Second Note” The December 15, 1994 issue of Rolling Stone featured an interview with Courtney Love by David Fricke. This was one of the most interesting interviews I’ve read so far. It describes Courtney’s mind-set and reveals what I consider to be a psychopathic personality. Throughout this interview, Courtney seems preoccupied with convincing everyone how suicidal Kurt was. She tells a story about Kurt bringing a gun to the hospital room when Frances was born and she heroically grabbed the gun from him and said, “I’ll go first, I can’t have you do it first. I’ll go first.” This whole story is difficult to believe. Courtney was so absorbed in promoting the image of Kurt’s suicidal tendencies right after his beautiful daughter was born, that she displayed no concern whatsoever for the fact that Frances would have to grow up hearing this horror story once it got published. I don’t think this will be the best thing for this little girl’s self esteem. Questions about the Seattle “suicide” note are being raised. I firmly believe the note left at the scene in Seattle was not a “suicide” note, but actually a note of retirement written to Kurt’s fans. The words at the bottom, “Which will be so much happier without me,” appear to have been added to the note. In the Rolling Stone interview, Courtney now says Kurt wrote her anothernote, in addition to the note found by the police at the scene! She later claimed she found this “other note” on her bed under a pillow. I know this is not true because Thursday morning, well after the time of Kurt’s death, I looked under the pillows. I also looked under the bed and between the mattresses. That’s where I found a package of the drug Rohypnol that I later told Courtney about. Dylan and I were looking everywhere for drugs and drug paraphernalia that might indicate whether or not Kurt had been in the house recently. Even more important, however, is what this other note says. Courtneyadmits it’s not suicidal. She quotes from the “other note” in the Rolling Stone interview: “You know I love you, I love Frances, I’m so sorry.” “Please don’t follow me...” “I’ll be there, I’ll protect you.” “I don’t know where I’m going, I just can’t be here anymore.” Courtney later claimed she told Sgt. Cameron about this other note. If so, I have to wonder why Sgt. Cameron never mentioned this other note in any police reports and why it was never mentioned to the press. I also have to wonder why Courtney never told me about this other note during the seven month period following Kurt’s death. As I continued doing otherwork for her, she acted as if she wanted me to continue investigating this case... but she obviously hadn’t told me everything. So now we have two notes left by Kurt. Neither one is suicidal! Both notes simply confirm Kurt wanted out of the music business. He was leaving Seattle and wanted to be left alone! WHAT ABOUT THE NOTE FROM THE ROME INCIDENT? During a conversation I had with her on January 19, 1995, Courtney told me the Rome note mostly just “trashes” her. But, she claimed, “It says one thing very definitely suicidal.” Then Courtney quotes a line from the note written to her by Kurt in Rome. “Dr. Baker says I would have to choose between life and death. I’m choosing death.” If this statement really is in the Rome note, what does it mean? To think that the doctor was telling Kurt that suicide was some kind of an option is absurd! I’ve never known a doctor to recommend suicide as a cure for drug addiction. Have you? 32 I think it’s obvious to anyone with the least bit of common sense, the Doctor was simply advising Kurt that if he doesn’t get off drugs, he’d eventually die from using them. Unfortunately, Kurt was severely addicted to heroin. I believe his response to the doctor’s advice meant that he was going to do what he wanted, even if it meant that he might eventually die from his drug addiction. Heroin withdrawal involves physical pain and torment. This would be a typical response from a severe heroin addict who was afraid or wasn’t ready to kick an overwhelming heroin addiction. A self-destructive comment? Yes. But, suicidal? No. Ask any therapist. There’s a huge difference between the two. A simple statement from Kurt that he would make his own choices in life, even if it meant the use of heroin might eventually kill him, got twisted by Courtneyto convince the media and the public, “He wanted to kill himself.” Keep in mind, the incident in Rome was never called a suicide attempt, by anyone, until AFTER Kurt died in Seattle. The doctor in Rome even said he believed the overdose was an accident. Dr. Galleta says, “The last image I have of him, which in light of the tragedy now seems pathetic, is of a young man playing with the little girl. He did not seem like a young man who wanted to end it all.” In a recently released book “COBAIN” by the editors of Rolling Stone, Neil Strauss writes regarding the Rome event, “Gold Mountain, [Nirvana’s management company], still denies that a suicide attempt was made. A note was found, says a company spokesman, but Kurt insisted it wasn’t a suicide note. He just took all ofhis and Courtney’s money and was going to run away and disappear.” Was it or wasn’t it a “suicide note?” Kurt Cobain, the person who actually wrote the note, insisted it was NOT a suicide note. What more do we need here?! Now, if Courtney is telling the truth... and if Kurt was lying... couldn’t Courtney release this so-called “suicide note” to the public to prove it really was a “suicide note?” Couldn’t she prove what she’s been telling the media is true? Well... there’s a little problem there. When he returned the note from Rome to her, Courtney claimed Sgt. Cameron told her, “This will never do you any good. I’d get rid of this if I were you.” “So,” she told me later during a telephone conversation... “I burned it!” 33 34 THE SEATTLE POLICE REPORTSThere are over 40 pages of original police reports in this case. The Seattle Police Department will furnish anyone a complete set of the reports for a charge of $40 dollars. Only the most relevant will be included here. Excerpts are quoted word for word, directly from the Seattle police reports. Some statements may appear to be repetitive because the various reports were written by several different police officers. The marking of ===== indicates a word or words blacked out by the police before they released the reports. The marking ***** indicates something I’ve deleted for reasons of confidentiality such as an address. Copies of these reports can be found at the end of this chapter. The reports are labeled in sequence, beginning with “PR1” (Police Report 1), as they are discussed here. PRI MISSING PERSON REPORT Dated 4/4/94 # 94-1 49669 NARRATIVE: Mr. Cobain ran away from California facility and flew back to Seattle. He also bought a shotgun and may be suicidal. Mr. Cobain may be at =====, location for narcotics. Det. Terry SPD/Narcotics has further info.” COMMENTS: (By Grant) Courtney Love filed the Missing Person report claiming to be Kurt’s mom, Wendy O’Conner. There was no mention in the report that Kurt had been last seen at the Lake Washington residence. The narrative sounds like Cobain left the rehab, then purchased a shotgun and might kill himself. (Kurt actually purchased the shotgun for his own protection before he left for the rehab in L.A.) So this report set the police up for what they would later observe. A body, a shotgun, and a note. Everything seemed to fit. It was obvious what had happened here... or was it? PR 2-3 COBAIN DEATH INVESTIGATION Dated 4/8/94 #94-156500 NARRATIVE: (By Off. Levandowski, Badge #5326) On 4/08/94... 0856 Hrs. I was dispatched to *** Lake Washington Blvd. E. to investigate a dead body. On arrival, I was contacted by ===== of =====. I saw ====== work truck parked in the driveway of the house. ===== stated he had arrived at the house to do some electrical work on contract for ===== the security company for the residence. Smith stated he had stepped into a west facing deck on the second floor level of the garage, and had observed a dead male on the floor. ===== said he was (unable) to see the body through the French doors, but that the doors were locked. ----- took me to the doors and I observed through the door a W/M, with long blond hair, laying on the floor, on his back. A shotgun was laying across the victim’s body; the butt of the gun was between the victim’s feet and the muzzle was at about the mid-chest level of the victim. The victim appeared to be Kurt Cobain who I knew to be to be the resident of the house, and who I had contacted in the recent past. Seattle Fire units arrived and forced entry by breaking a pane in the french door. On entry, SFD announced the W/M as dead on arrival and cleared he scene, leaving engine Company 34 behind. SFD asked for I. D. from the nearby wallet and I opened the wallet which was within a couple of feet of the victim’s body. Inside I found a Washington statedriver’s license in the name of Cobain, Kurt Donald, D.O.B. 02/20/67. I had called for 1G, Sgt. Getchman en route to the call and Sgt. Getchman and A/Sgt. Fewel arrived. I used Getchman’s Polaroid to photograph the scene while Fewel and Getchman used 35mm cameras to document the scene... I maintained the scene until Homicide’s arrival...Inside the scene, I had observed a cigar box lying next to the victim. Inside the box were syringes, a spoon, and other items of narcotics paraphernalia. On a nearby table was a paper place mat with a hand written note in red ink. The pen was stabbed into the note, holding it in place. The note was apparently written by Cobain to his wife and daughter explaining why he had killed himself. PR 4-7 ADDITIONAL NARRATIVE: By Dets Jim Yoshida, #3168 & Steve Kirkland, #3356, 4-8-94 Lt. Marberg receives a phone call from SPD Communications. They are requesting a Homicide Team at *** Lake Washington Blvd. E. They are on the scene of a suicide. There is a note present and the gun is also in place. The, victim is Kurt Cobain...4-8-94 10:15 Detectives arrive at the scene and are met by Off. Joe Fewel #4896. Off. Fewel is the acting sergeant for this sector. Also on the scene are Off. Von Levandowski #5326 (10c04), Sgt. Jeff Getchman #3322 (1-G), and the 1st Watch East PCT Commander, Lt. Ziminsky. Off. Levandowski will be responsible for the initial incident report. Off. Levandowski turns over Polaroid photos taken of the scene and also two rolls of 35mm film. Off. Levandowski states the witnesses, ----- (electricians for -----) came to do some work on the victim’s residence this morning and observed the victim lying onthe floor of the greenhouse above the detached garage of the residence. Off. Levandowski says there was a dual response on the 911 call. SFD broke the west side French door to gain access and visually determined that the victim was obviously dead... 35 Lavendowski secured the area and waited for response by Patrol supervisors and homicide. He has some knowledge of the victim and has been to the residence on a prior occasion. He is also aware that the victim is AWOL from a drug treatment center in Los Angeles and that his family had filed a missing person report with SPD. The families fear was that the victim was suicidal and he had recently bought a shotgun. Cobain is found in the 19’ by 23’ greenhouse above the detached double garage. There are stairs on the west side leading to the French door entry and another set of French doors on the east side which lead to a balcony. These doors are unlocked and closed but there is a stool with a box of gardening supplies on it in front of the door. There is a sink on the west wall and there are stainless steel planting trays onthe north and south walls. One of the stainless trays contains a pile of dirt with bulbs in it. On top of this dirt pile is a note written in red ink and stuck into the dirt pile with a red pen. This is a suicide note directed to Courtney and ----- and signed Kurt Colbain. [The accidental misspelling of “Colbain” has no significance]. The victim is found on the floor lying on his back with his head to the west and feet to the east. There is a large drying puddle of blood to the left of the victim and obvious trauma to his head. There is a Remington M-11 20 gauge shotgun between the victim’s legs with the barrel pointed towards his head and his left hand wrapped around the barrel.The shotgun is inverted with the trigger and magazine trap door pointing up.The barrel end is just above his belt line. There is a spent 20 gauge shell casing on top of a brown corduroy jacket which is on top of a beige nylon shotgun case. Theseare just to the left of the victim and under one of the stainless steel garden trays. There are several cigarette butts on the floor and a 3/4 full can of Barqs root beeralso on the floor in the area of the victim. Cobain’s wallet was open and his driver’s license showing. Off Levandowski exposed the driver’s license to verify identification of the victim. There was also $120.00 in cash on the floor to the right of the victim and a cigarbox. This cigar box contained narcotics paraphernalia (syringes, burnt spoons, cotton, and small pieces of what looks like black tar). There is a brown paper bag containing 22 live 20 gauge shotgun shells. The box is marked that it contains 25 shells. The bag containing the shells is on the floor at the victim’s left foot. On the floor to the victim’s right in the same area as the cigar box is a hat, two towels, the $120.00 in cash, the wallet, a pack of cigarettes, a lighter, and a pair of sunglasses. Inside the jacket pocket is a receipt for the purchase of the Remington 20 gauge shotgun serial #1088925. The purchase price was $308.37 and the receipt is dated 3-30-94. The purchaser was Dylan R. Carlson ----- Seattle 98115, from Stan Baker Sports... These items, the other items on the floor and the note were photographed using the 35mm and Polaroid cameras.36 1105 hrs: Investigator Dave Delgado, Dr. Nick Hartshorne, and Dr. Donald Reay of the King County Medical Examiner’s Office arrive at the scene. Dr. Hartshorne will be conducting the initial examination of the victim. Dr. Hartshorne takes his photographs and then begins the on scene examination of the victim. The shotgun is removed from its location between the victim’s legs and it is rendered safe by Det. Kirkland. There is one live shell in the chamber and anotherlive shell in the magazine. These two shells and the spent expended shell account for the full box of 25. Dr. Hartshorne states that the damage to the interior of the mouth indicates the shot was taken in the mouth. . . He notes there are puncture marks on the inside of the left and right elbows.COMMENTS: (By Grant) 1. The police did have Polaroid photographs available. They could haveshown me these photographs to clear up any questions about Kurt’s hair being combed. But Sgt. Cameron told me they had not developed the photographs and probably never would.2. The French doors on the west side of the greenhouse may have been locked, but as you were able to see in the photo on page 27, the door has a standard push and twist type lock. Anyone could lock the door from the inside then simply pull it shut as they left the room. 3. There was only one small stool in the room and it was merely sitting infront of the unlocked French doors which led out to the balcony. It was not “wedged against the door.” There are no stairs to the balcony. This was not an entrance. THE STOOL IN THE GREENHOUSE This was supposed to be a very important piece of evidence. Itseemed to reveal the frame of mind of a person who carefully planned his suicide. The inaccurate details of the “wedged stool” were reported by MTV, Geraldo Rivera and countless newspapers and magazines immediately after Cobain’s death. (picture of stool on case file page) Quote
Desperado Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 what is that even taken from. Somebody else who doesn't have a jobe that has anything to do with homicide investigations Quote
Rustycage Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) 4. The first officer on the scene found the wallet on the floor and exposedthe driver's license for photographs. Kurt did not leave his wallet open with hislicense showing as reported in the media. 5. The police referred to the note at the scene as a "suicide" note and say it was written to Courtney and Frances "explaining why he had killed himself." But this note was not written to Courtney and Frances. It was written to Kurt's fans witha small footnote to Courtney and Frances. As you'll soon see, Kurt says nothing inthis note about suicide or "why he had killed himself." 6. There were three rounds loaded into the shotgun when Kurt died. If he bought this shotgun just to kill himself, what was he going to do with the other two rounds? Kurt had that shotgun loaded for protection, not for suicide. THE SHOTGUN Type Remington M-11, 20 Gauge, Semi-automatic The barrel of this shotgun retracts 3" as it automatically loads the next shell into the chamber. The shotgun had beenfully loaded with three roundswhen Cobain was killed. If Cobain purchased and loaded this shotgun for suicide, as was reported in the media, what washe going to do with the othertwo rounds?! The fact is, Kurt went to the gun shop with Dylan Carlson and bought the shotgun for protection, before he left for the rehab center in Los Angeles on March 30, 1994. The gun was registered in Dylan's name at Kurt's request. 38 7. The police report says the shotgun was inverted. So how would the killer know how to position the shotgun to make it appear as if Kurt was holding it when it fired? Actually, it wouldn't be all that complicated if the killer was given. A DIAGRAM FOR MURDER? The Toy Gun Photo Courtney had a copy of this photograph prior to Kurt's death. She passed the cropped version on to gullible reporters hoping it would graphically illustrate her husband's so-called "suicidal mind set." The photo appeared in several magazines soon after Cobain's death. Looks pretty serious, doesn't it? Kurt was goofing off with a toy rifle when this picture was taken with Dave Grohi and Krist Noveselic. It was just a joke! But it does show how Kurt would hold a rifle if he were to put it in his mouth... The rifle is inverted with Kurt's right hand at the trigger! (picture described is on the case file page)Continued.............EXAMPLES OF "CREATIVE" WRITING?Remember that stool we've been talking about? There's one more police report that mentions the stool. PR8 STATEMENT OF OFFICER LEVANDOWSKI #5326 Report #94-1 56500 (This appears to be a summary of the original report written by Levandowski) On 4/08/94 at about 840 hrs, ===== arrived at 171 Lk. WA. Blvd. E. to perform some electrical work. ===== walked onto the west facing deck of the garage, and observed the victim through the window panes in the French door. The victim was laying on the floor, with a shotgun across his body, and a visible head wound. C/ called 911, and a dual response of SFD and SPD was dispatched. On arrival, Levandowski observed the victim laying on the floor, unmoving. The French doors were locked. SFD Engine #34 responded, and made entry by breaking one of the glass panes in the French door... Photographs were taken of the scene by Levandowski, Fewel and Sgt. Getchman. The scene was maintained until released to Homicide Detectives. All pictures and film were released to Det. Yoshida... (Now look what follows). . . Levandowski observed that the French doors at the opposite end of the room were blocked by a stool, preventing access. COMMENTS: (By Grant) Notice the last line of this report? This statement is clearly out of context. The report appears to have ended, then... the line about the stool is added! As mentioned before, these doors (at the opposite end of the room), were unlocked and only led out to the balcony. Furthermore, that wooden stool was too small and light to block any potential intruder, including a tiny child! Why was this line added? Because, the detectives already told the media, as well as myself, that there was a stool wedged against the door. The press immediately reported that Cobain had "barricaded" himself inside the greenhouse. Someone in the Seattle Police Department must have noticed the first police reports did not reflect the "official myth." It appears this line was added to the report to deliberately deceive the public. Anyone who wasn't there would never know the difference. So who wrote the line? I suspect it was either added by someone without Levandowski's knowledge, or someone 'suggested" Levandowski add the line after the report was submitted for approval. I don't question Levandowski's intentions or motives. Although mistakes were made and some of his conclusions were reached a little prematurely, he seemed to be relatively conscientious and thorough. If Levandowski ever admits to writing that deliberately misleading line, I'd have to re-evaluate my opinion of his motives and his eyesight! PR9 MAJOR INVESTIGATION SUMMARY Homicide Unit - Report # 94-1 56500 Scene Detectives: Jim Yoshida & Steve Kirkland - Paragraph 2:** (More than "creative," this is total fabrication!) **"Cobain suffered a single GSW to the head. The shotgun had beenplaced Cobain's mouth and discharged. There were marks on Cobain'shands consistent with the firing of this weapon." COMMENTS: (By Grant) I can say with confidence that there were no marks on Cobain's hands that would indicate he fired this weapon. I've had the police reports analyzed by other homicide detectives and criminalists. No one can figure out what these "marks" could have been. This shotgun model is somewhat rare but several months ago we located an identical weapon in Northern California. I personally fired the shotgun 18 times without cleaning my hands. There were no visible marks or scratches on either of my hands that resulted from the firing of this weapon. Additional evidence I've obtained regarding these so-called "marks" cannot be disclosed until the case is reopened, however, if the Seattle authorities ever care to describe the "marks," in detail, I'll come forward with evidence that will provethose so-called "marks" described in the police reports never really existed. UPDATE - February 1997 Sgt. Cameron finally admitted to a writer from P.O.V. Magazine that he was not aware of any "marks" on Cobain's hands that would indicate hehad fired the weapon. Cameron told the writer he didn't know who put thatstatement in the report and said, "It must have been added by some rookie." PR1O The Fingerprint Analysis Report "The above item was processed for prints on 05/06/94 by Sr. ID Technician T. Geranimo, #4466. Four cards of latent prints were lifted. The four cards of lifted latent prints contain no legible prints." COMMENTS: (By Grant) The shotgun wasn't even checked for prints until nearly one month after Cobain's body was found. In fact, we learned recently that the shell casings and the pen found at the scene weren't even checked for prints until nearly three years later, when a television show about Cobain's death was about to air! Did the policereally investigate Cobain's death or were they just going through the motions forthe media? How Kurt could have handled this shotgun before he left for rehab and after he returned to the house without leaving one legible finger print? 41 PR11Follow-up report. Incident #94-156500, Unit file #94-117 (Remember the missing credit card?) **NARRATIVE: Detectives Steve Kirkland and Jim Yoshida 4113/94 0900: (To the SPD Evidence Unit). "Checked Cobain's wallet. There is no SeaFirst card with the above listed number in the wallet. There are two Sea First Versateller cards with different numbers in the wallet." COMMENTS: (By Grant) What happened to Kurt's other Sea First Card? The one he used in Los Angeles at Delta Airlines just before leaving for Seattle. The one that Courtney had "canceled." The credit card company records show that someone was still trying to use this "missing" card after the time the Coroner says Kurt died, but stopped these attempts after the body was discovered. The police have never bothered to clear this up! And yet they claim they did a thorough investigation'So whenever someone says, "There's no proof this was a murder," remember this: there's never been any proof this was a suicide. There are only opinions and those opinions have been based on false and misleading information. Whatever your opinion is of this case, it should be based on the true facts, not on the twisted details given to the policeand to the media. (several pictures of a crime scene diagram, police reports and etc on the case file page here)THE SO CALLED "SUICIDE" NOTEAfter all the lies and inconsistencies prior to the discovery of the body, my 1st question when I read the note was, "Did Kurt write this?" It took some time to be sure, but I eventually determined he did. I believe he wrote the entire letter, with the exception of the line at the end which reads, "which will be so much happier without me." Upon close examination, the thickness of the line print in these words, appears to be thinner than the line print in the rest of the note. This may indicate a different writing instrument, less pen pressure, or a different "writer" altogether. Several handwriting experts have examined this letter. Their opinions differ in regards to the handwriting at the bottom of this note, but most have concluded these lines were written "by another hand." I made the copy on the following page with the use of Courtney Love's fax machine. The dark lines were caused by folds in the fax paper. Courtney's fax machine also cut off the edges of the note. The original letter was written on a legal size piece of paper. The marking in the upper right-hand corner of the note is a police marking, and the signature at the bottom is by the police captain who received it. COULD THIS HAVE BEEN A "SUICIDE" NOTE? I wasn't sure at first. But as I studied my investigation notes, reviewed the case and continued gathering information over the next several months while working with Courtney, I concluded with complete confidence, this was not a "suicide" note. This was a note to Kurt's fans explaining his decision to quit the music business, to stop touring and to stop performing. Read the contents carefully. Here was a guy who cared about his fans. Here was a guy with compassion. He had a drug habit, he had some flaws, but he seemed to care about others more than he cared about himself. Is this a letter from a self-centered father with no concern for his daughter? Does this sound like someone who didn't care about the images he'd be leaving his little girl--images of violence and physical destruction that Frances would be forced to visualize the rest of her life whenever she thought about her dad? Are these observations alone proof that Kurt Cobain did not commit suicide? No. These are just some things to think about as you try to understand what was on Kurt's mind when he wrote this letter. MY COPY The original note was written was on legal size paper. It was reduced to fit this page. Some of the letters on each side did not get copied. The dark lines were created when the paper wrinkled inside Courtney's fax machine. The letters and numbers in the upper right corner are markings made by the police. The signature in the lower right corner, "CAPT_ _ _ _,"was added by a Seattle Police Captain. 57 TRANSCRIPT: To Boddah pronounced Speaking from the tongue of an experienced simpleton who obviously would rather be an emasculated, infantile complainee. This note should be pretty easy to understand. All the warnings from the punk rock 101 courses over the years. Since my first introduction to the, shall we say, ethics involved with independence and the embracement of your community has proven to be very true. I haven't felt the excitement of listening to as well as creatingmusic along with reading and writing for too many years now. I feel guilty beyond words about these things. For example when we're backstage and the lights go out and the manicroar of the crowd begins it doesn't affect me the way in which it did for Freddy Mercury who seemed to love. (?)relish in the love and adoration from the crowd. Which is something I totally admire and envy. The fact is I can't fool you. Any one of you. It simply isn't fair to you or me. The worst crime I can think of would be to rip people off by faking it and pretending as if I'm having 100 % fun. Sometimes I feel as if I should have a punch in timeclock before I walk out on stage. I've tried everything within my power to appreciate it,(and I do. God, believe me I do, but it's not enough. I appreciate the fact that I and we haveaffected and entertained a lot of people. I must be one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they're gone. I'm too sensitive. I need to be slightly numb in order to regain the enthusiasm I once had as a child. On our last three tours I've had a much better appreciation for all the people I've known personally and as fans of our music, but I still can't get over the frustration, the guilt and empathy I have for everyone. There's good in all of us and I think I simply love people too much. So much that it makes me feel too fucking sad. The sad little, sensitive, unappreciative, pisces, Jesus man! Why don't you just enjoyit? I don't know. I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy and a daughter who reminds me too much of what I used to be. Full of love and joy kissing every person she meets because everyone is good, and will do her no harm. And that terrifies meto the point to where I can barely function. I can't stand the thought of Frances becoming the miserable self-destructive, death rocker that I've become. I have it good, very good, and I'm grateful, but since the age of seven I've become hateful towards all humans in general.Only because it seems so easy for people to get along, and have empathy. Empathy! Only because I love and feel for people too much I guess. Thank you all from the pit of myburning nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the past years. I'm too much of an erratic, moody baby! I don't have the passion anymore and so remember, its better to burn out than to fade away. peace, love, empathy. Kurt Cobain Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your alter. Please keep going Courtney for Frances for her life which will be so much happier without me. I Love you. I love you!5859 WHAT WAS HE SAYING?Some writers claim the letter doesn't make much sense. This is because they're reading it in the context of a "suicide" note. Once you realize it's simply a retirement letter, it all comes together. It makes perfect sense. IMAGINE for a moment that Kurt is alive and well. His band broke up and he moved away from Seattle. All performances have been canceled. Now read the letter again. Imagine Kurt wrote it to explain his decision to his fans. Why does it all make so much sense now? Because that's precisely why this note was written!Continued................A CLOSER LOOK What did he mean by: "the... ethics involved with independence and the embracement of your community has proven to be very true"? I believe Kurt was saying he'd been warned about greed, corruption and exploitation in the music industry. He was saying these "warnings" had proven to be true. This realization robbed him of the excitement he once experienced while playing and performing in earlier years. When MTV broadcast the reading of portions of this note by Courtney, the caption displayed on the screen for another line in the letter read, "I HAD it good." The actual note reads "I HAVE it good." A subtle but distinct difference in revealing the mental state of the writer. What about the line at the end of the body of the note, "I don't have the passion anymore and so remember, it's better to burn out than to fade away"? This is a well known cliché that is often used in the entertainment business. It refers to a performer who quits while on top instead of fading from memory as his or herpopularity begins to decline.Others use this phrase to describe a personal decision to retire. I quit theSheriff's department because I was "burnt out." I was bored. There were no more challenges. I'd done everything I wanted to do on the department including undercover assignments, dune buggy, mountain bike and helicopter patrol. I was a detective at Malibu Sheriff's Station when I made my decision. As far as I was concerned, I had the best job in the county. I had a good reputation, no enemies, no beefs. I was simply "burnt out." Looking back over the years, I've often regretted that decision. Whether ornot you agree, I feel I'm a better detective than I am a businessman. I eventuallycame back to what I do best. In time, Kurt may have come back too. Of course, now we'll never know. What did Kurt mean when he wrote, "Please keep going Courtney, forFrances, for her life..."? While I was with Courtney at the Peninsula hotel, several days before Kurt's body was found, she said almost exactly the same thing to me. "If he doesn't wantto do it, (referring to the Lollapalooza tour), he ought to do it for his baby, for Frances." Kurt, no doubt, had heard this from Courtney before. He didn't want this lifestyle any more. He didn't care about the money, but he knew money and famewere important to Courtney. So he was telling her, "YOU do it. YOU do it for Frances and for her future." Although Kurt wanted out of the marriage, he still loved Courtney. He was leaving, but he'd continue to publicly support her. (See the "other note' referenced below and in the Summary Of Events where Kurt says, "I'll be there to protect you.")Kurt naively believed this would be enough to satisfy her. It would give herthe freedom to do what she wanted to do and it would give him freedom from the business of creating his music--something he once enjoyed with the innocence of atrue artist. A CONVERSATION WITH COURTNEY As mentioned earlier, Courtney responded to a probing question about theso-called "suicide" note left at the scene of his death during an interview withRolling Stone's David Fricke in the December of 1994 issue. D. F. - "Did Kurt's suicide note make any sense to you - that he'd found any kind of peace in what he was going to do?" C. L. - "He wrote me a letter other than his suicide note. It's kind of long."60 "I put it in a safe-deposit box. I might show it to Frances - maybe. It's veryf**ked-up writing. 'You know I love you, I love Frances, I'm so sorry. Please don't follow me.' It's long because he repeats himself. 'I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'll be there I'll protect you. I don't know where I'm going, I just can't be here anymore'".How do we know Kurt was not talking about suicide in this letter? Because of the obvious terminology and because Courtney admits this "other" note was "notreally like a suicide note." On Sunday, April 3rd, when she couldn't find him, Courtney told me she thought Kurt was leaving her. This "other" letter simply confirms what Courtney already knew, but what she never wanted anyone else to know. After reading in Rolling Stone that Courtney claimed to have another note left to her by Kurt, I was curious where this note was found. Even more important, I wondered why she hadn't told me or the press about it! On January 19, 1995, Courtney and I talked on the phone for over an hour. Following is a partial transcript of that conversation which included a discussion about this "other" note. TG - "What about the other note? You mentioned in Rolling Stone about anothernote that he wrote to you." CL - "It's like a letter and it's not really like a suicide note. It's like, it seems more like, it was like in a sealed envelope, and it was just like to me, and it seems like hewrote it in rehab." TG - "Where'd you find it?"CL - "It was in my bedroom, under my pillows." TG - "Under your pillows"CL - "Yeah, and I didn't tell anybody about it but Rosemary and uh, I told Sgt. Cameron about it." TG - "Yeah..." CL - "I let him see it, um..." TG - "There's only one problem with that, Courtney." CL - "What?"61 62 TG - "I looked under your pillows.CL - "WeIl... TG - Just like we looked under your mattresses." CL - "It was there." TG - "That's how I found the Rohypnol, between your mattresses. That note wasn't under your pillows on the bed." CL - "Tom, it was... and I showed it to Sgt. Cameron, and he can prove it. I own it. I'll show it to you. Whatever you... if you want to see it." TG - "Yeah, I'd like to see it. I'd like to see it. But what I'm telling you is, it was not there the night before the body was found, or the night before that. Because we, you know, you can ask Dylan about this, we picked the pillows up. We were looking for drugs. We looked under the mattresses. That's where the Rohypnol was. There was no note in an envelope." CL - "It was like right.., right..., it was ah... it was in ah... it was in a long legal envelope, white envelope, that was sealed. It had my name on it and it was definitely in Kurt's writing, and it was right under my pillows." TG – "Yeah, Ok." CL - "Like, I have a bunch of pillows on that bed... it was right there." TG - "All I can say to that, Courtney is: 'If you say so!' Is all this logical? Did Courtney really tell Rosemary Carroll about this "other" note? Not likely. At least not for several months. Rosemary was initially furnishing me with evidence that implicated Courtney in Kurt's death. She would have told me about this "other note" if she knew about it. Did Courtney show the other note to Sgt. Cameron? I don't know. But if she did, it should have been booked into evidence and it should have been listed in the police reports. The fact that it wasn't indicated either Courtney is lying or the police have covered up the information about this "other note." But we do know, there were two notes! One was to his fans explaining his decision to quit performing. The other was to his wife explaining his decision to leave her. Neither of the notes was suicidal! One of these notes was deliberately concealed from me and from the public while Courtney pretended to encourage me to investigate Kurt's death! Why conceal the second note? Because when read together, the second note, the one Kurt left for Courtney, the one she kept in secret, would prove the note found at the scene...was not a "suicide" note! 63 JUST ANOTHER WACKO?Whenever someone famous dies, there's always some nut who yells, "Conspiracy!" These individuals are usually a little "out of balance." They weren't there, they have no first hand knowledge of anything, and their far-fetched stories can never be substantiated. In most cases, they live in a place I sadly refer to as Paranoia Land. As a private investigator, I've crossed paths with literally hundreds of these mentally disturbed people. Those who think I'm just another wacko conspiracy nut should be reminded of something very different about this conspiracy case. The Cobain murder investigation developed from the first-hand knowledge and experiences of not one, but two people who were very close to the situation--the investigator who was hired by the victim's wife, and Rosemary Carroll, the attorney and personal friend of both the prime suspect and the victim. In December of 1994, after nearly eight months of continuous investigation, I had obtained enough evidence to be convinced beyond any doubt that Kurt Cobain did not commit suicide but was in fact, murdered. When I began to speak out about my conclusions, I received a threatening letter from, (of all places), Rosemary Carroll's law firm. On December 29, 1994, I responded with the following letter: Dear Rosemary, Having received the letter from your firm threatening me with a lawsuit and possible criminal prosecution, I have to wonder what must be going on in your head! My loyalty to you and the confidentiality of our conversations ends abruptly when I am threatened for doing a job I was encouraged by you to do. From the beginning, you played a major role in directing this investigation and exposing some facts and details that implicated Courtney as part of the conspiracy that eventually led to Kurt's murder. I'm convinced you know in your heart the truth about what happened. It's time for you to come forward and speak to the authorities about what you know. I'm aware there's a lot at stake here for you; your career, your marriage, possible financial losses and who knows what else? You may not realize it yet, but these things are in jeopardy whether you come forward or not. You impressed me as the type of person who has their priorities in order. What good are we as human beings if we're so afraid that we allow people to get away with murder?The world of secrecy is a dangerous place to live, especially when your mind holds information that could help convict a killer. I've placed my life in danger here in order to bring about justice and put an end to what may turn out to be more than just one killing. In addition, kids are continuing to commit suicide themselves, thinking Kurt did it so it must be the way to go! The last of these incidents occurred just a couple of weeks ago. Although I'm still in some danger, I feel my silence would have created an even greater threat to my life. Getting rid of someone after they've talked is just plain stupid and can only bring more attention to the case. The real danger exists before the person talks. I hope I've given you something to think about. Call me if I can help. If you choose to oppose me in this, all I can say is good luck. You'11 need it. Sincerely, Tom Grant THE GRANT COMPANY CONFUSION BASED ON MISINFORMATION Young people weren't killing themselves simply because Kurt Cobain died. They were killing themselves because they were confused by his so-called suicide. If anyone doubts what I'm saying here, they need to read some of the thousands of letters I've received from Kurt's fans. Sometimes the consequences of being wrong can be so drastic that an overwhelming bias is created. Truth takes a back seat to expediency. Under any circumstances, Cobain's death would have been a tragic and sad loss to his fans. But his "suicide" caused a short circuit. It didn't make sense. As the truth about this case was slowly revealed, detectives from the Seattle Police Department were forced to cover their tracks. After all, what would they say to Cobain's fans and to the devastated families of the "copy-cat" victims ofmisinformation? 'Oops!" ?? ABOUT FRANCES I've been criticized by some because they feel what I'm doing is going to hurt Frances. For the past 16 years I've worked closely with a nationally known expert on child abuse. I've spent countless hours of my time consulting and working on child abuse cases. As a father of three grown daughters and grandfather of seven, myconcern for kids stems from the work I do and from my own personal experience. I've met Frances. I've watched her at play. I can't help but think about this little angel every day I work on this case. With all the negative press condemning Kurt for such a "selfish act," I'm convinced Frances needs to know that her fatherloved her far too much to have done what he's been accused of doing. PROOF OF MURDER? Although many of you are already convinced Kurt was murdered, if you read the introduction to the Summary Of Events carefully, you'll notice I made it clear from the beginning that this information was not originally intended to prove murder. When I say "Kurt Cobain was murdered," this is clearly my opinion. But I am trying to furnish enough information here to accurately explain why this is my opinion. Additional information will be revealed when this case is re-opened that will lead unbiased investigators down a path of discovery and this house of cards will fall. BECAUSE WE SAY SO! During conversations with one of the Seattle detectives, I was reminded of the "years of experience" shared by the members of the homicide team. One detective said something to the effect of, "I think we know a suicide when we see one." But experience can be a double edged sword. It often creates a cynical, know-it-all attitude that results in sloppy police work and hastily reached conclusions. The Seattle Police Department seems to rely a little too much on the "experience" of their investigators and not enough on the thoroughness of a legitimate investigation. SGT. CAMERON FINALLY SPEAKS OUT! (or does he?) I was recently informed by a television reporter that Sgt. Cameron is claiming I was never employed as a detective with the L.A. County Sheriff's Department. Now this is either a bold faced lie or another example of sloppy police work by an indolent investigator. Following a radio appearance in which I criticized the Seattle police investigation, a reporter from the Orange County Register contacted detective Sgt. Cameron and asked him about Cobain's missing credit card. Cameron responded, "We're not going to comment until we figure out what the hell Grant's after." Well, it's really not a mystery Sgt. Cameron. What I'm "after" is the truth! MEDIA HYPE AND THE GORY DETAILS WARNING: The following information deals with the condition of Kurt Cobain's body when found at the Lake Washington residence in April of 1994. It is graphic in nature. There's no other way to discuss this without using some of the blunt and descriptive terminology already being used by others. If you're sensitive to reading graphic details, you may want to skip over this section. 66 KURT COBAIN'S HEAD WAS NOT "BLOWN OFF!"The visual images created and promoted by Courtney Love and others are actually much worse than the true images left in the wake of Kurt's death. Contrary to popular belief, the shotgun blast resulted in very little visible damage! This was an intra-oral discharge. The shotgun barrel was placed in the mouth against the hard pallet. The pellets from the shotgun blast remained inside the head. This was a "penetrating" shot that did not exit. As a result, there was no blood or tissue "splatter" which would have been typical of most shotgun blasts to the head. There was, however, a pool of blood on the floor from seepage, and damage inside the mouth could be observed. Thus the police report indicates, "obvious trauma to his head." But, unlike the fake photos being passed around and the grossly exaggerated visual images deliberately planted in the minds of Kurt's fans, there was no gaping exit wound. Although drawn and slightly distorted due to the beginning effects of decomposition, Kurt's facial features were all left intact and recognizable. The press reported Cobain could only be identified by fingerprints. The truth is, Kurt Cobain was fingerprinted for identification as a matter of procedure, not necessity. The shotgun was a 20 gauge. This is a less powerful weapon than the more common 12 gauge shotgun. This shotgun, even with its "light load" set-up, would normally cause much more damage. But the lack of extensive damage was simply an aberration - a fluke! It happens in a small percentage of shootings of this type. There's no way anyone could have known in advance that this shotgun would not leave a much uglier mess. The fact that it didn't had as much to do with angle of discharge and skull thickness as anything else. THE PRIVACY ISSUE The Seattle Police and the Medical Examiner's Office are allowed to keep this information from the public because in the State of Washington the reports describing the condition of the body and the cause of death are considered "medical records." As a result, they are not released to the public or the press. This is done in order to provide the surviving family a certain amount of privacy and to protect the dignity of the deceased. In many cases, the law is a good one. In this case however, this law has assisted in covering up the truth while the authorities, the media, and the "family" continue feeding the public false information. Does Courtney Love really care about privacy? Courtney consistently exploits the death of her husband. During interviews, she often points out that she's wearing some article of Kurt's clothing, while telling tall tales about the events surrounding her husband's death and his "suicidal" personality. She also promotes false visual images by planting inaccurate and horrific details in the minds of already confused fans. Responding to a question about lyric writing during an interview in the December 1994 issue. of Rolling Stone, Courtney comments, "When you've had your husband's blood on your face, how can you write about it? When you walk around in the coat that he shot his head off in, how can you write?" During another interview, Courtney cries hysterically as she talks about the prospect of Frances ever seeing "a picture of him with his f**kin' head blown off" Courtney has known from the beginning that her husband's head was not "shot off" and any photos of a man with his head "blown off" are not photos ol KurtCobain! So why all the drama? Why all the hype? Why does Courtney insist on promoting the ugliest, most violent image of the man she claims to have loved - an image she knows to be untrue? Because... it makes for good press! No one has spread more "suicide" hype than Courtney Love. No one has capitalized on Kurt's death more than Courtney Love. No one has exploited Kurt's daughter more than Courtney Love. And when it comes to the "privacy" of the family, no one has violated thedignity of Kurt Cobain more than his "professional widow." A POSSIBLE THEORY? Some readers have written to say they believe Courtney may have deliberately hounded and pressured Kurt to get him to commit suicide. This is a reasonable conclusion based on what we've seen and the limited information available to the public as of this date. I seriously considered this possibility for several months after Kurt died. If this truly was a suicide, it became obvious from what I was learning, that Kurt desperately wanted to get away from Courtney. Maybe he just gave up and decided to end it all? Inconsistencies, contradictions, and additional investigation eventually excluded this theory. This was not a suicide.Continued..............what is that even taken from. Somebody else who doesn't have a jobe that has anything to do with homicide investigationsOh yeah? He was a LA county detective for decades. Try again$ THE MILLION DOLLAR LIE $It worked on the police, the media and millions of Kurt's fans around the world. It may have worked on you. "He tried to kill himself before." Of all the phony stories concocted and spread by Courtney Love, the "Million Dollar Lie" has proven to be the most effective, the most convincing, and... the most contrived. This particular lie blinded the eyes of the authorities, the media, and most of the public. This particular lie helped make Courtney Love a very rich widow. Before discussing whether or not Kurt had ever attempted suicide prior to his murder, let's review what Kurt and others close to him have had to say about his "suicidal tendencies." In the interview with Kurt published in the January, 1994 issue of Rolling Stone, David Fricke asks, "One of the songs that you cut from 'In Utero' at the last minute was 'I Hate Myself And Want To Die.' How literally did you mean it?" KURT ANSWERS - "As literal as a joke can be. Nothing more than a joke. And that has to do with why we took it off. We knew people wouldn't get it; they'd take it too seriously. It was totally satirical, making fun of ourselves. I'm thought of as this pissy, complaining, freaked-out schizophrenic who wants to kill himself all the time. 'He isn't satisfied with anything.' And I thought it was a funny title. I wanted it to be the title of the album for a long time. But I knew the majority of the people wouldn't understand it." Dylan Carlson, Cobain's best friend, told me Kurt was not suicidal. He also told a reporter for the Seattle Times the same thing. (See Seattle Times, May 11, 1994). I also spent some time with Mark Lanegan, another one of Kurt's close friends. Lanegan rode with Carlson and I while we were looking for Kurt. Mark Lanegan didn't think Kurt was suicidal either! After Cobain's death, he also told a writer for Rolling Stone Magazine, "I never knew Kurt to be suicidal. I just knew that he was going through a really tough time." (See the book, "Cobain" by the editors of Rolling Stone, Page 90). Rosemary Carroll, one of the Cobain attorneys and a close friend to Courtney and Kurt, scoffed at the idea that Kurt was, "suicidal." (See Summary Of Events, "Return To Seattle"). Isn't that strange? If we're to believe Courtney Love and most of the stories she got published, Kurt allegedly "wanted to kill himself every day!" I wonder why his friends never noticed? Certainly his friends were aware of his lyrics! How could they say he was not suicidal? They said it because they knew the difference between song lyrics, phony stories in the media . . . and reality!! Others who saw and spoke to Kurt at the rehab center in Los Angeles and at the airport shortly before his death, said he was upbeat, friendly and didn't appear to be depressed at all. Now we all experience phases of depression at times. Some people sufferfrom depression so severe that most of us can't relate to what they're feeling or understand what they're going through. Whether or not Kurt was depressed to the point of being suicidal, is something that can be debated forever. Based on my investigation and research, I'm convinced Kurt Cobain was not suicidal. You may have another opinion. Obviously, what was going on inside his head is something only Kurt really knew. Actions, however, often indicate a person's true frame of mind. If Kurt had attempted suicide in the recent past, no one would question whether or not he was "suicidal." There would be no debate about his "suicidal tendencies." It would certainly appear that he wanted to die and had now finally succeeded where he had previously failed. Did Kurt Cobain ever really attempt suicide? Or, did someone else just want us to believe he wanted to die? Was it someone else who actually wanted Kurt dead? Let's take a closer look at the events preceding his death. MAY 2, 1993 Courtney injects Kurt with an illegal drug... then force feeds him more pills! Police help with cover- up. SEATTLE POLICE REPORT: Drug Overdose Incident #93-191695 Copies of this police report were obtained through the Freedom Of Information Act. The lines and question marks indicate words, sentences, and an entire paragraph which was blacked out by the Seattle Police prior to releasing the report to the public. "On 5-02-93/2111 Hrs, ROs were dispatched to 11301 Lakeside Ave. N.E. in response to a drug overdose. Fire arrived simultaneously with ROs and entered premise after it was cleared by ROs. RO contacted C/W________ who said (V/Cobain) had been at a friends house 2 hrs earlier where he had injected himself with $30.00- $40.00 worth of heroin. He then drove home to the address of the incident and stayed in his room/ C/W_________ (?) W,/________, and W2/___________ told ROs his physical conditiongradually deteriorated to the point that he was shaking, became flushed, delirious and talked incoherently.C/W________ said she (?) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?__ __? ? ___?___? <br> ? ? ___? ? ?__ __ __? ? ?____? ?__ __ ? ? ? ?_? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?____?____ C/W_____ said this type of incident had happened before to V/Cobain." 69 There was never any question that this incident involved an accidentaloverdose. Courtney Love has spoken openly about this incident since Cobain's death. She succeeded in convincing several gullible journalists that her heroic efforts here actually saved Kurt's life. But, how did she save him?What information was contained in that paragraph blocked out by thepolice? You may find it hard to believe, but what I'm about to tell you is the absolute truth. This police report actually says that Courtney, claiming she was trying to revive Kurt, injected him with Buprenorphine. She also force fed him Valium, Codeine based Tylenol, which also contains Acetaminophen, and Benedryl. Three Simple Questions... Three Surprising Answers: 1. Would these drugs improve Cobain's condition at the time, or would they make it worse? According to our medical research, Buprenorphine is especially lethal when combined with Valium. Codeine is an opiate. Courtney reportedly gave Kurt 4 pills (32 mg), which undoubtedly added significantly to his total opiate threshold. Benedryl is basically an anti-histamine, and is well known to produce avariety of negative complications when combined haphazardly with other drugs. The combination of all these additional drugs would have made Cobain's condition much worse and would have endangered his life. 2. Why wasn't Courtney arrested for possessing, injecting and administering illegal drugs? Courtney has friends and connections in the Seattle Police Department. Narcotics Detective Antonio Terry was one of her "friends" at the time. Courtneytalked to Detective Terry on my car phone once while I was with her. Terry was the one Courtney called when she got angry and wanted a drug buddy arrested. As mentioned in the Summary Of Events, Detective Terry was even referred to in Cobain's Missing Person's report as someone to see for "further info." Of course, Detective Terry can't talk now. Coincidentally, he was later murdered in an off duty incident. 3. Why would the police black out this entire paragraph before releasing the report? To protect Courtney Love, and to conceal their negligence in this overdose incident and in the so-called "suicide" investigation. 70 This is a copy of the second page of the previously mentioned police report, exactly as it was released by the Seattle Police Department. 71 72 "WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM HER FRIENDS"Two other so-called "previous suicide attempts" have been referred to by media sources including several newspapers and rock magazines. The two incidents were brought up again in the March, '97 issue of POV magazine. The writer of this piece also works for Rolling Stone Online. If you read the story, you'll notice his bias towards protecting Courtney as he mocks a real search for the truth in this case. Once again, this writer didn't take the time to do some basic research. He simply repeats misinformation obtained from other media sources, and prints it as fact. Here's what this writer published: "One month before his death, Kurt Cobain made his first suicide attempt, writing a farewell note and promptly swallowing 50 Rohypnol pills in a Rome hotel room. Two weeks later, back at his Seattle estate, Cobain locked himself in a room and again threatened to kill himself, this time with a .38-caliber revolver." Oh really? Let's have a closer, more accurate look at these two frequently misreported incidents. March 4, 1994 THE ROME INCIDENT "Suicide attempt" or... attempted murder? The Rome incident is consistently referred to as a "previous suicide attempt" as the media appears to accept Courtney's "spin control" without question or doubt, regardless of what the evidence actually indicates.I met with and interviewed others who were in Rome with Courtney and Kurt when this incident occurred, including, Michael Dewitt, also known as Cali. I also spoke with Courtney about the Rome incident when I first began this investigation and I discussed it with her several times since. Although it was mentioned briefly at the conclusion of the Summary Of Events, we're now going to examine the Rome incident in greater detail. First, I have to tell you there's something about the incident in Rome that concerns, maybe even, scares me a little. It should scare you too. As you continue to read, you're going to learn why I waited so long to deal with this particularly dangerous issue. As usual, Courtney's stories are ever changing and inconsistent. During one of her first interviews after the Rome incident, (but prior to Kurt's eventual death), Courtney is quoted by a writer for Select Magazine: "Anyway, what I wanted to say to you was that all this was just a tiff between me and Kurt, OK? That was all it was. A tiff. He was just upset that he was in some awful place and I was away enjoying myself and shopping. It was not a suicide thing... So now we're going back to the therapist when it all calms down."So while Kurt was still alive, Courtney was telling the press the Rome incident was not "a suicide thing." She also claimed she and Kurt were together in their room at one time, drinking Champagne, when she fell asleep on the bed. Based on Courtney's own accounts, as well as statements from others whowere in Rome with Courtney and Kurt, it appears that Courtney was out late having a good time, while Kurt was left alone in the hotel room. There was already a lot of tension in the marriage. They hadn't been getting along. Even though Courtney continued her own heavy drug use, she was constantly on Kurt's back, hounding him to get clean. Why? Because the Lollapalooza tourwas coming up. Kurt didn't care. Courtney did! After all, there was a lot of money at stake. Kurt was being treated like a piece of meat. All anyone seemed to care aboutwas the money. Now, left alone in the hotel room, he became angry. He'd had it. Hewrote Courtney a nasty letter telling her he was leaving her. Courtney returned to the hotel before Kurt actually left the room. She found Kurt getting his things together. She read the note he had written to her. A heated argument followed. Courtney eventually sweet-talked Kurt into staying. They made-up. Champagne was ordered. It would be a romantic night... Or would it?Continued.....................Item #2: Courtney originally lied to the police officer. She told him Kurt was going to kill himself and that he had a gun, (singular), in the room. But Kurt said he had locked himself in the room... “TO KEEP AWAY FROM COURTNEY!!”Kurt also said he was not suicidal and that he did not want to hurt himself. As a former police detective, I can tell you that suicidal people who lockthemselves into a room with a gun often require a swat team and a psychologist to get them out. If the person is truly suicidal, that won’t even work! But in this incident, Kurt came out of the room and cooperated fully with the officers on the scene. This, along with his own statements, indicates he had no intention killing himself as many in the media continue to report. SETTING THE STAGE The police report clearly states that Courtney Love had lied to the officers when they first arrived on the scene. After taking the guns and medication into custody for safe keeping, Courtneywas interviewed again by the officers. Then she admitted “she did not see him with a gun” and “he did not say he was going to kill himself.” It seems that when Kurt was still around to set the record straight, Courtney couldn’t get away with her lie. But once he was gone... a little twisting of the facts, a little misreporting of the details, and these incidents helped set the stage for the final act - an act that wasn’t likely to be questioned because of his deliberately misrepresented personal history. “He tried to kill himself before.” The million dollar lie!CENSORSHIP IN AMERICA All it takes is money Soon after the release of the Summary Of Events, first published in April of 1995, Courtney’s attorneys took out full page ads in major media broadcasting magazines threatening to sue anyone who participates “either directly or indirectly, in the dissemination or publication of these statements...” Courtney’s hot aired attorneys also threatened me with “swift action,” possible lawsuits and criminal prosecution when I began speaking out about what Iknow. I’ve continued to ignore these threats. To this date, nearly 8 years later, no lawsuits or criminal charges have been filed in relation to my work on this case. There was a weak attempt to revoke my PI license, but as you’ll read later, these briefcase bullies can only threaten and intimidate. When their target standsfirm, they slink away with their tail between their legs. I said this then and I’ll say it again now... “These people are not going to sue me or anyone else connected to this investigation.” I hope I’m wrong! A lawsuit would create publicity for the investigation, and it would put Courtney Love on the witness stand. This the very thing they knowthey must avoid. A lawsuit would give me the opportunity to present disclosed and undisclosed evidence in a court of law. It would expose the truth about this whole smelly fraud. And a lawsuit would also bring immediate counter suits. I’m not after their filthy money, but if they really want to flex their muscles, they better be sure their pants don’t fall down. I’m going to tell the truth about what I know. If these people want to challenge my right to do that, they need to quit blowing smoke and get on with it! THE KROC BLUNDER In January of 1995 the producer of the Kevin and Bean show which airs on KROQ-106.7 FM in Los Angeles, called me to request a five minute, on airtelephone interview. “Five minutes?” I thought to myself. “No way!” This was a station that plays a lot of Hole’s music. These two guys are comedians. They make a joke out of everything. Why would they want me for only five minutes? I told the producer I’d do an hour minimum, nothing less, and I wanted tomeet with Kevin and Bean the day before to go over what I’d be willing to discussand what I wouldn’t. 80 We met at the studio for two hours the day before we went on the air, Kevin and Bean agreed to allow me to lead the listeners through the events outlined in the “Summary.” I told them that would take up most of the hour. “No problem,” Kevin assured me. All parties agreed to the format. Both Kevin and Bean were friendly and came across as somewhat supportive, but I had a feeling I was being set-up. I was right. Ten minutes or so into the broadcast I was ambushed with verbal attacks, It was obvious these guys had a job to do. Fortunately, it was also obvious to the listeners! An hour and a half later, we were still going. The phone lines were all lit up. The switchboard was full. Kevin and Bean tried to do a hatchet job but it was backfiring. The majority of the callers were supportive of the investigation and wanted to hear more. In spite of constant criticism by these DJs, an attorney called in from his car phone and said something like, “You’re not listening. This guy knows what he’s doing,” and then gave them a brief lesson on rules of evidence. When it came time for me to leave, Kevin and Bean asked if I’d be willing to come back the next week for a follow-up interview. It was obvious the listeners wanted more. “Sure. Any time,” I replied. As I drove away from the studio, I listened to my car radio to hear the DJs criticize my investigation, referring to me as “a fat load.” Bean eventually commented, “He’s got an agenda.” This was obviously an attempt to discredit the work I had done on this case. The Cobain murder investigation is a unique case. It calls for some unique strategies. Do I have an agenda? Of course I do! And here it is, from beginning to end: 1. Stop the “Copy-cat” suicides 2. Put Courtney Love on notice... 3. Set up a forum for releasing information... 4. Gain support from Cobain’s fans... 5. Pressure the authorities to re-open this case. Instead of coming across as a “conspiracy nut” who these hired guns could easily discredit, the radio audience overwhelmingly determined that I was credible and what I had to say was important. They wanted to hear more. Kevin and Bean were pressured by listener response to invite me back in the near future. They also assured their audience they would take more calls about the subject and would continue the discussion about Cobain’s death on the next show. Oops! What now?81 At 7:00 AM the next morning, I taped the Kevin and Bean Show. Whatfollows is a transcript of the introduction to that show: BEAN - “It’s the world famous K-rock, 106.7 KROQ. Kevin and Bean hereat 7:37. We do have to take care of some pressing business because we’ve had,aah, I don’t think I’m exaggerating if I say, we’ve had a lot of phone calls this morning...” KEVIN - “Aah, you’re not exaggerating at all!” BEAN - “A lot of phone calls this morning [from people] who are looking for some sort of follow-up on what we devoted the entire show to yesterday, which was a private investigator who was in talking about the death of Kurt Cobain... “We are being forced, 100% against our will to read this to you. ‘Courtney Love’s representatives objected to the contents of yesterday’s show. Out ofdeference to Miss Love, we are not going to be following up today on any subjects related to Miss Love the way we might usually do so. We may have something further to say in the future. Thanks for listening and understanding.’ “That’s basically the total, the sum of what we are being allowed to say on the air today.” YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED TO HEAR THIS! So I was not invited back as they had promised their listeners, and callers were not allowed to even bring this subject up on the air from that day on. Most of us are extremely naive when it comes to our beliefs and our understanding of freedom of speech and freedom of the press. This was a perfect example of how money and power can buy silence, eventhough the public desperately wants to hear! This type of censorship is enforced through intimidation and fear of lawsuits. The tobacco companies are experts at this tactic as we’ve recently seen on the C.B.S. show, 60 MINUTES. NOT EVERYONE IS A WIMP! I owe a debt of gratitude to Gil Gross. Even though Courtney’s attorneystried their best to keep it from happening, Gil was the first to break this story. In December of 1994, Gil flew me to the C.B.S. studios in New York and allowed me to get information to the public for the first time on his nationally syndicated radiotalk show. 82 Then there’s the Allan Handelman Show, a nationally syndicated radio talk how. Also ignoring threats by Courtney’s attorneys, Allan took the time to study his case and soon realized I had some things to say that needed to be heard. Allan interviewed me on his show on more than 10 separate occasions! Response from the Allan Handelman programs was overwhelming. Affiliate radio stations were inundated with calls requesting more information and expressing appreciation to Allan for covering the story. As a result of the Allan Handelman show, several media sources were able to see through the smoke blown by Courtney’s attorneys. Information about his investigation has now been published in books and magazines, not only in he U.S.but also in England, Sweden, Italy, Australia and dozens of other countries around the world. Publicity is not a personal goal here but it is necessary if we ever expect togain a support base with enough strength to pressure the authorities into re-opening this case. ANOTHER COWARDLY MOVE In 1995 Courtney’s attorneys quietly filed a confidential complaint with the State Department Of Consumer Affairs in Sacramento California. This is the agency that issues licenses to private investigators in the State of California. Rather than respond to the tough questions left in the wake of this investigation, Courtney’s attorneys were trying to silently get my license suspended or revoked and put me out of business. I anticipated this move. Preparations were made in advance. They simply lit a small fuse that eventually ignited. When the dust settled, there was a tremendous increase in visibility! The complaint filed on Courtney’s behalf claimed I violated a section of the California Business and Professions Code in revealing the facts of my investigation to the public. The Code basically states that a private investigator cannot disclose information about a private investigation to anyone, (other than law enforcement), without the prior consent of the investigator’s client. Following are excerpts from my letter of response to the California State Department Of Consumer Affairs. Edited June 26, 2012 by Rustycage Quote
Desperado Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 what is that even taken from. Somebody else who doesn't have a jobe that has anything to do with homicide investigationsOh yeah? He was a LA county detective for decades. Try againthe same detective that Courtny hired? the guy who hade been in Kurts house without finding him dead......maybe he killed him? Quote
Rustycage Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 AND... ANOTHER COWARDLY RETREAT After receiving my response, the Department Of Consumer Affairs notified Courtney that she would have to testify at a hearing if she wanted to proceed with her attempt to have my license revoked. Of course, her attorney’s immediately withdrew the complaint against me. As much as they’d like to see this investigationsilenced, they’d never risk putting Courtney Love on a witness stand. UPDATE - November 2001 My P.I. license was not revoked. I’ve heard nothing further from the State Department Of Consumer Affairs. Courtney Love and her attorneys are cowards… not fools! 85 86 ENTER... ELDON HOKEYou may have heard the story. It appeared in a number of magazines. The typical headline read something like this; “Grizzled punk rocker’s shocking claim: ‘Courtney Love offered me $50G to kill Kurt Cobain.’” Eldon Hoke, also known as “El Duce,” recently told his story to High Times writers Steve Bloom and Tim Kenneally. What follows is an excerpt from the High Times article appearing in the April 1996 issue. “Courtney Love, who met El Duce in the late ‘80s through Hole’s original drummer, Carolyn Rue (who was going out with the Mentors guitarist, Sickie Wifebeater), According to El Duce, Love showed up at the Rock Shop, a Hollywood record store at 1644 Wilcox Ave., a few days before New Years eve in 1993 at approximately 8:30 PM. As El Duce waited outside for a friend, a limousine transporting Love pulled up in front of the store. Love then allegedly made El Duce an offer he couldn’t refuse.” “El, I really need a big favor of you” she said, “My old man’s been a real a**hole lately. I need you to blow his f**king head off.” “Are you serious?” El Duce asked. “Yeah, I’ll give you fifty thousand dollars to blow his f**king head off,” Love confirmed. “I’m serious if you are,” El Duce said. “I wasn’t really sure she was serious. And then she said, “Where can I reach you?” “At the time I didn’t have a phone, but I got my messages at the Rock Shop, so I said, ‘You can reach me here.’ They went into the store, and he handed her a business card. “I think Kurt was getting ready to divorce her for adultery charges,” El Duce theorizes. “She had to have him whacked right away so she could get the money.” It’s not uncommon in high profile cases for some jerk to come forward with a phony story in an attempt to get some attention. Of course, that’s exactly what I’ve been accused of doing by my critics. When I first heard Eldon Hoke’s story in 1995, I was extremely cautious about how I was going to handle the information. I had to be careful about being sucked into some scam, only to be told later that this guy made the whole thing up! I also needed to be sure I wouldn’t be accused of setting this story up just to bring attention to the case. At the time Hoke’s story was revealed to me, I advised my informant, (an alleged acquaintance of Hoke’s), to have Hoke report the incident to the police. We needed to see what they’d do with it. If they blew him off, then we’d see about getting him polygraphed. I made it clear I didn’t want to be connected to Hoke until he could be checked out. On Wednesday, March 6, 1996, NBC’s HARD COPY hired an examiner to do a polygraph, (lie detector), examination on Mr. Hoke. I had no input in the decision about who would be used for the examination. No one asked me and I made no suggestions. As it turned out they hired the very best, Dr. Edward Gelb. Several test questions were asked along with the key question which waspresented in different forms... “Did Courtney Love offer to pay you fifty thousand dollars to kill her husband?” Hoke answered “yes.” Dr. Gelb scored the test. Hoke passed the polygraph examination with flyingcolors! The possibility of deception was .01%. It doesn’t get any better than that! I met with Dr. Gelb shortly after the exam was given to Hoke. “Is there any way he could have practiced to pass, psyched himself up, or somehow fooled the machine?” I asked Gelb. “Not this guy!” he responded confidently. So, who is Dr. Gelb and why should we trust his expertise? Dr. Geld is the polygraph examiner used by O.J. Simpson’s defense team to administer a secret polygraph to O.J. He’s a long time friend of F. Lee Bailey, so if Gelb’s integrity could be compromised, he would want to help his long time friend by “helping” Simpson pass. As you may have heard, Simpson failed the polygraph conducted by Dr.Gelb. It appears Gelb’s credibility and integrity was not for sale. Dr. Gelb is one of the foremost polygraph examiners in the country, possibly even the world. He’s more than just an expert in polygraph examinations. His resume includes: • Bachelor’s degree in Political Science, U.C.L.A.... • Master’s degree in Psychology, LaSalle University... • Doctorate in Psychology, LaSalle University... • Past President, Executive Director and Chairman of the Board of the American Polygraph Association... • Former detective with the Los Angeles Police Department... • Adjunct Professor of Psychology at LaSalle University. Dr. Gelb utilizes the state-of-the-art computerized Axciton to conduct forensic polygraph examinations. In addition to the above qualifications, Dr. Gelb has conducted over 30,000 polygraph examinations since 1969, with specific criminal incident examinations conducted for Fortune 500 companies, criminal defense attorneys, and governmental agencies, and 400 polygraph examinations conductedfor the Los Angeles Superior Court to effect settlement of two class action suits. 87 Dr. Gelb is one of the few experts whose testimony is accepted by the LosAngeles Police Commission. He is presently conducting examinations for at least 100 defense attorneys as well as District Attorney’s offices and police agencies. DO I BELIEVE ELDON HOKE’S STORY? All I can say is that it makes sense and Eldon Hoke certainly believes his own story as evidenced by the results of the polygraph examination. Unfortunately, it’s not up to me to investigate Hoke’s story, it’s up to the police. But here’s the real problem. Because the alleged “offer” occurred in Los Angeles, L.A.P.D. homicide detectives were notified. They were interested in speaking with Eldon initially, but after calling the Seattle detectives, they seemed to lose interest. From what I’ve been told, the police in both cities have been unwilling so far to talk to or accept an official statement from Eldon Hoke! The police need to get serious about this investigation. They need to explain their lack of concern. If, in the end, it can be proven Eldon has lied about this event or that it could not have occurred, then the entire polygraph profession needs to becalled into question. Sooner or later, someone’s going to have some explaining to do. UPDATE April 19, 1997 Eldon hoke, also known as “El Duce” is killed by train in Riverside California Eldon Hoke’s death was reported as “accidental” by the California Highway Patrol. The incident occurred just eight days after Hoke told a film maker that Courtney Love had offered to pay him $50,000 to kill her husband, Kurt Cobain. Hoke’s last interview can be seen in the film documentary, “Kurt And Courtney,” by Nick Broomfield. THE “SELLING” OF A PSYCHOPATH In Hollywood, perception is reality. No one knows this better than Courtney Love and her promoters. Courtney also knows that success in the entertainment industry isn’t always based on who you are, it’s often who you know. A recent TIME MAGAZINE article listed Courtney Love as one of the country’s “25 Most Influential People”!! In response to the TIME article, a well known television personality referredto Courtney as one of the country’s “Most Under The Influence.” In reality, Courtney Love is simply a celebrity con-artist. Why else would this woman warrant this kind of attention? 88 Other than one modestly successful album, (“Live Through This”), which capitalized on Cobain’s death, and countless publicity stunts dutifully reported by tabloid journalists, what has Courtney Love actually done that qualifies her to be one of America’s most influential?! The truth is, Courtney is well connected. She has some powerful friends in the entertainment industry. These sleazy people are determined to make her a star no matter how much they have to cover-up for her. In fact, Courtney brags openly to her friends about her ties to David Geffen, and Mr. Geffen has come to her aid on more than one occasion. If you’ve followed this case closely you already know Rosemary Carroll,Courtney’s entertainment attorney, was heavily involved in the initial investigation of Cobain’s death. You’ll also recall that Rosemary Carroll’s husband is Danny Goldberg, former CEO of WARNER Records. Ever hear of TIME-WARNERENTERTAINMENT? Could it be that Danny Goldberg had some influence on some of his friendsover at TIME MAGAZINE? Goldberg has been extremely supportive of Courtney Love. He’s doing everything he can to keep the public from hearing, or at least from believing, that his wife Rosemary was one of the first to be suspicious of Courtney’s involvement in the murder of Kurt Cobain. But the hype surrounding Courtney Love will continue to be shoved down the public’s throat whether anyone likes it or not. At this stage of the game here’s just too much money and too many careers at stake. NEWSWEEK MAGAZINE March 11, 1996, Page 10 “Rumors - COBAIN CHATTER Police have dismissed it, Courtney Love threatens to sue over it, but Kurt Cobain murder theories thrive on the Web at: (outdated URL here). Detective Tom Grant lays out his version of the events. Primary suspect: Love herself. Oh well, whatever, never mind. Murder? (Picture of Cobain with caption) “Smells like B.S.” Readers are naturally influenced by these biased and uneducated remarks and often form hard-core, knee-jerk opinions about this case without even reading the material. WHO’S TELLING THE TRUTH? January 6, 1995 - I had been a guest for two hours on a nationally syndicated radio talk show the day before. The show replayed at midnight in Seattle and Courtney was listening. At 4:08 AM, two hours after the show ended, Courtney called myoffice and left a message on my answering machine. Adept at playing the role of victim, Courtney sounded like she was on the verge of crying. Following is a brief transcript of excerpts from that answering machine message: 89 “Hi Tom. This is Courtney... I just heard the radio thing... I haven’t heard you tell an out, ya know, I listened to the thing and I didn’t hear you tell, tell like outright lies... I wish you were doing it for the money and the realization that you’re doing it because you think that it’s right hurts me a lot, and, and you’re not, but (themachine cuts off) “Four O Eight...” Courtney did not sound angry on the phone. She actually sounded hurt! Is this the same Courtney Love who has been known to attack, both verbally and physically, nearly everyone who dares to cross her? I was aware of how vindictive Courtney could be. Courtney had previously bragged to me about throwing a brick through the window of one of her former “friends.” She also told me about how she trashed Trent Resnor’s hotel room after he rejected her. And I was with Courtney once when she went ballistic for nearly 30 minutes simply because one of her band members politely said she should go down the hall to visit her daughter. Now Courtney listened to me tell a national radio audience that she was involved in the murder of her husband… and she wasn’t angry?! I’m a private investigator, not a cop. I cannot enforce the law or prosecute criminals. I have no authority here. My job is to provide accurate and truthful information. Other than that, all I can do, at best, is try to compel the authorities to do their jobs. Courtney knows that, and yet she seems to be unusually respectful, if not fearful of my role in this investigation. I have a really slow fuse, but you can bet that if a friend or family member ofmine committed suicide and someone publicly accused me of having him or hermurdered, I’d be in that clown’s face in about half a second! Then I’d drag the jerkto court and sue him for everything he has... or ever will have! So what’s going on here? It’s obvious that if I publicly accuse my own client of a crime and I’mwrong, I would be sued, I would lose my license, and under certain circumstances, I could even go to jail! So, what I’m doing is pretty risky, isn’t it? No, it isn’t. I know what I’m doing and Courtney knows too! She knows Kurt was murdered. She knows I’m telling the truth. Her reaction to the radio broadcast really wasn’t much of a surprise. Her choices were somewhat limited. Courtney knew I couldn’t be intimidated. She also knew she couldn’t throw money at the problem this time. So she put on her “victim” act. We’ve seen it on MTV and on the Barbara Walters Special. We’ve read about it in interviews as she tries to manipulate journalists. “If I start to cry I will probably get up and leave the room,” Courtney advises a Rolling Stone interviewer in the Dec. 1994 issue. To no one’s surprise, she doescry. But, according to the writer, she never left the room. Of course not. She didn’t have an audience in any other room! 90 After a number of meetings with Courtney and more than 50 hours ofdocumented telephone conversations, I’d become familiar with her play acting aswell as her never-ending publicity schemes. On more than one occasion Courtney would suddenly burst into tears and cry hysterically, conveniently changing the subject and focus of our discussion while evading critical questions. But Courtney often forgets who she’s lied to and who she’s confided in. Onegut wrenching, tear shedding episode I personally witnessed was actually brought on by something that we both knew to be a lie. A phony story Courtney herself had planted in the press. COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT THAT? (While not blowing your nose!) Any seasoned police officer will tell you, “To get to the truth, you have tolisten to what the subject says, not how they say it.” This common sense guideline isessential to any criminal investigation, especially when dealing with a known pathological liar. I know I mentioned this before, but we all watched Susan Smith cry to the cameras when her two little boys were “kidnapped by two young black men.” Then we watched as her car was pulled from the lake after Ms. Smith finally admitted she had actually drowned her two sons. We’ve also seen tears from the Menendez brothers, O.J. Simpson, Ted Bundy, and at one time or another, nearly every known killer who ever appeared in front of TV cameras or a jury. We need to get the facts straight before we decide who to feel sorry for here! Let’s take a closer look at exactly what it was that Courtney said in the message she left on my answering machine. CL - “Hi Tom. This is Courtney... I just heard the radio thing...” The “radio thing” was a nationally syndicated two hour call-in talk show. Onthat program, I gave out nearly all the facts and details contained in the “Summary Of events.” I said Kurt was leaving Courtney and leaving Seattle when he was found dead. I said Courtney had called Rosemary Carroll and had asked Rosemary to get her the “meanest most vicious divorce attorney,” she could find. I said Kurt’s mom did not file the missing person’s report. Courtney did! Shelied to the police when she called in the report claiming to be Kurt’s mother. I talked about specific false stories Courtney had planted in the press both before and after Cobain’s death. I talked about Courtney’s affair with Billy Corgan three weeks after Kurt’sdeath, and on and on. 91 And after all that, Courtney’s message to me was, “I haven’t heard you tell an out, ya know. I listened to the thing and I didn’t hear you tell, tell like outright lies...” I must say here that I don’t know really the difference between a “regular lie” and an “outright lie.” If there is a difference, I’d appreciate it if someone would explain it to me. You might want to go back and read through the Summary Of Events again. This is the information I had just discussed during the radio interview Courtneylistened to. Read it carefully keeping in mind that these facts are well substantiated. I have a tape recorded statement from Courtney admitting she did not hear me tell any “outright lies.” So the relevant issue here is not whether Courtney can or cannot fake tears of grief. The relevant issue is the fact that Courtney has admitted I was telling the truth about the facts surrounding her husband’s death. The facts I’ve laid out, the facts that Courtney’s supporters say are created, are actually well supported, not only by a substantial amount of evidence, but also by Courtney Love’s own admission! A sad reality of human nature is that many young people are so blindly infatuated by Courtney’s “celebrity” that they don’t really care that she’s been telling so many lies about her husband’s death. EXCERPTS FROM A RECENT LETTER Tom, …I went to see Hole a couple of years ago. I was very taken back at herattitude and mere presence. She began ranting and raving on stage as if someone had provoked her, although I did not see or hear anyone do such a thing. She was beyond dramatic. She was yelling (pardon the profanity), “F**k you, f**k you, f**k you all! You killed him! You killed him! It’s YOUR fault! Youkilled him!” She grabbed her microphone stand and began jabbing it into thecrowd at some guy. Sobbing, flailing, hollering, and then starting into SONG!!?!! With her leg up on her amp, exposing her underwear to us all, she stared up into the ceiling the rest of the night (as if trying to look up to Kurt), and finally made her drama queen exit. She took off her dress (leaving her slip on), fell into the mob of people, and let the crowd fondle her and pass her back to the stage. Walking back to our car, I was stunned by what I saw. She was outside of her tour bus, displaying Frances. It was well past midnight, and I remember feeling utter disgust at the way Courtney was treating her baby... E.Ywhat is that even taken from. Somebody else who doesn't have a jobe that has anything to do with homicide investigationsOh yeah? He was a LA county detective for decades. Try againthe same detective that Courtny hired? the guy who hade been in Kurts house without finding him dead......maybe he killed him? Durpa durp.Yes, the PI that searched the house and was never told about the greenhouse even after Courtney instructed Dylan(kurt's friend to check the greenhouse.)He wasn't found in the house. Again, you have no idea of the facts here.NBC TV’s UNSOLVED MYSTERIES Since I began speaking out about the Cobain case in December of 1994, I’ve been contacted by producers from a number of local and national television shows. Although I’ve encouraged them to research, investigate and report their findings, you may be surprised to learn that I’ve actually turned down several offers for oncamera interviews. In most cases, the timing wasn’t right and the editing arrangements did not meet the criterion for what I felt would be an accurate release of information. After meeting with a director from NBC’s UNSOLVED MYSTERIES in December of 1996, I finally agreed to participate in the filming of a segment which was later televised by NBC TV on February 7, 1997, during “Sweeps Week.” This first network television coverage was somewhat limited in scope. The producers shied away from naming Courtney Love as a suspect, but did an excellent job of introducing the murder investigation to the public. From the beginning, the Seattle Police Department have used deceptive and misleading statements to cover a sloppy and incomplete investigation. The Unsolved Mysteries episode finally forced them to deal with some very basic questions in a public forum. Issues discussed on this Unsolved Mysteries segment included: 1. The official claim that the police approached this case as a possible homicide... 2. Activity on Cobain’s credit card after he died... 3. No legible fingerprints on the shotgun... 4. Questionable handwriting at the bottom of the note... 5. Toxicology - Cobain’s heroin, (morphine), blood level was 1.52 mgms per liter! Let’s discuss the issues made by the authorities during the Unsolved Mysteries segment. ISSUE #1 Police claim they investigated this case as a possible homicide: “Our detectives actually went into this investigation on the premise that this was a homicide... so that there was a very thorough and comprehensive investigation done from the beginning.., everything that the detectives encountered indicated to them that this was a suicide. We actually found nothing to indicate that this was anything but a suicide.” (Sean O’Donnell, Media Relations Officer for the Seattle Police Department). We’ve heard this line before. It’s one of their standard, broad sweeping, cover-all responses. It sounds good, but it really says nothing.., and it’s not backed up with facts. Did the Seattle Police approach this case as a possible homicide? Look againat the police reports. Detectives Jim Yoshida and Steve Kirkland, two of the first detectives on the scene, write: “4-8-94 0950: Lt. Marberg receives a phone call from SPD. They are requesting a homicide team at *** Lake Washington Bl. E. They are on the scene of a suicide. There is a note present and the gun is also in place...” You’ll note he did not say “possible suicide” or “what appears to be a suicide,” or even, “They are on the scene of a dead body.” Detectives Yoshida and Kirkland agreed with the officers on the scene and declared this was a “suicide” from the moment they first got the call! The detectives had not even arrived at the scene yet and they were already assuming it was a “suicide.” When I met with Sgt. Cameron on April 15th, he seemed annoyed that the homicide unit even had to go to the scene! During our meeting, Sgt. Cameron toldme, “We don’t normally send out a homicide unit to what appears to be an obvious suicide.”“Suicides are handled by the patrol units,” Cameron said. “The only reason we even went was because of who it was. If this would have been anyone else, we wouldn’t have had to send a homicide unit to the scene.” The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s department always sends a homicide unit to any and all suicides. So do most other large city police departments as far as I’m aware. Unless they’ve recently changed their policy, it appears the Seattle Police Department doesn’t look very close at any death that resembles a “suicide.” I can’t help but wonder how many other “suicides” in Seattle may have been misjudged and mishandled by this department. Getting back to the police reports, in reference to the note found at the scene, Detective Sgt. Yoshida and Steve Kirkland write: “This is a suicide note directed to Courtney and Frances...” Once again, notice the bias included in this officer’s statement. There’s nothing in this note about “suicide” and yet it’s automatically labeled a “suicide” note. Officer Levandowski also writes: “The note was apparently written by Cobain to his wife and daughter explaining why he had killed himself.” Now anyone who has seen this note knows it was not written to his wife and daughter. In fact, it was even signed with Kurt’s first and last name! Who would write a letter to a spouse and/or one of their children and sign the letter with his firstand last name?! 94 There was only a short footnote in this letter to Frances and Courtney. The handwriting that comprises the footnote has since been examined by several document examiners who question whether or not Cobain even wrote those particularlines! It’s clear that the body of this note was written to Cobain’s fans, not to his wife and daughter. And once again, this note says nothing about “why he killed himself.” This detective’s presumption of suicide obviously effected his sense of perception and his eyesight! You may be thinking, “Well, the officer believed it was a suicide. He was justinterpreting his observations.”Any experienced police officer or attorney knows how important the wording can be in an official police report or court document. In writing a report about the scene of an incident, police officers are instructed to accurately describe what they observe, without bias, and without final conclusions. A proper description of the scene might include phrases like, “This appears to be a suicide,” or “There is a notepresent. The note appears to be a suicide note.” One of the above phrases is a statement of fact. It is difficult to challenge without additional information. The other is a statement of appearance, leaving the door open for other possibilities. One statement is designed to convince, conclude, and close the door on other possibilities. The other statement is designed to encourage further research reducing the possibility of error. So these are not unbiased police reports which merely contain the facts. These reports are heavily biased. They misrepresent the facts as they paint a picture of what the detectives believed to be a suicide. This bias towards a conclusion of suicide was also displayed through the actions taken by the detectives during the investigation in the days, weeks and monthsfollowing Cobain’s death. Here are just a few examples: A. The Seattle Police did not check the shotgun for fingerprints until nearly one month after Cobain was killed. (They didn’t print the pen or shotgun shells until they were pressured by the media nearly three years later!) No legible prints were found. B. I immediately indicated my suspicions about Michael Dewitt to Sgt. Cameron, but the detectives only interviewed Dewitt, by telephone! If this case had been investigated as a possible homicide, Dewitt would have been interviewed in person, face to face within hours or at most, days after Cobain’s death. C. Because of the lies and inconsistencies surrounding the events of Cobain’sdeath, as well as Courtney’s potential motive for staging Kurt’s “suicide” rather than face a divorce, Courtney Love should have been considered a possible suspect! But when the detectives needed a handwriting sample of Kurt’s to compare against the note found at the scene, incredibly, they accepted a sample of Kurt’s handwriting from Courtney Love! How could they possibly know this wasn’t another forged letter? 95E. Sgt. Cameron told me they haven’t developed the photographs, (35mm), and probably never will. He said, “We don’t develop photographs on a suicide.” F. The Seattle Police never found out who was trying to use Kurt’s credit card after he was later known to have died. One has to wonder how this case could have been closed without filling in such a large gaping hole, especially if it was handled as a possible homicide! I’ll have more to say about the credit card report later. G. The police allowed evidence of any possible homicide to be destroyed before a thorough investigation could have taken place. They allowed Courtney Love to have Cobain’s body cremated within one week after he was found dead. They hadn’t even checked the shotgun for fingerprints yet! This wasn’t just a burial, this was total destruction of the primary evidence! They returned the originals of both the Rome note and the note found in thegreenhouse near Cobain’s body on June 17, 1994, the day after Kristen Pfaff, (the bass guitar player in Courtney’s band), was found dead in Seattle. This was only two months after Cobain’s death! H. Crucial questions have been left unanswered. Most closed cases are left with a few unanswered questions. But this case has nearly a hundred unanswered questions. I’ve never seen a case with so many large holes left unfilled! The statement issued by Sean O’Donnell that the detectives... “went into this investigation on the premise that this was a homicide,” was at best, deliberately misleading. At worst, this statement was an outright lie. If that weren’t bad enough, O’Donnell added... “Nothing we saw led us to believe this was anything but a suicide.” I think it’s obvious; They didn’t see anything else because they weren’t looking for anything else! CONSISTENT WITH SUICIDE? Regarding Kurt Cobain’s death, Officer O’Donnell routinely informs the media, “All the evidence found at the scene was consistent with suicide.” But this case is anything but consistent! In fact, it may just turn out to be the most inconsistent so-called “suicide” on record! Kurt Cobain’s heroin blood level was found to be 1.52 mgs per liter. Diazepam, (Valium), was also found to be present in his ‘blood system. The fact is, there have been nearly 500,000 suicides in the U.S. alone in the past 20 years. To this date, several researchers have found no other case involving a shotgun blast, in addition to a heroin overdose where the heroin, (morphine), blood level was anywhere near that found in Kurt Cobain! Why not? Because it appears that no one else has ever survived a heroin overdose of this magnitude long enough to even pick up a handgun, much less a shotgun, and then shoot himself! Is it possible that Cobain could have killed himself with a shotgun after injecting three times a lethal dose of heroin? Well, one might say that it’s possible to stand on a rooftop and flap your arms fast enough to take off and fly! But unless someone has documented evidence to show that it’s ever been done before, we wouldn’t be expected to believe it... would we? No matter how we look at the toxicology information, it clearly indicates the extremely high level of heroin, in combination with a shotgun blast, makes this one of the most unique, one of the most inconsistent of all deaths ruled “suicide” on record! Terms such as “consistent” and “typical” should not be included in a truthful discussion of the primary evidence in the Cobain Case. ISSUE #2 Credit Card Activity Deliberate deception by SPD Media Relations Officer? If you saw the Unsolved Mysteries segment, you’re aware that I indicated someone was attempting to use Cobain’s missing credit card, after he was dead... but before the body was discovered. Although Cobain did have two other Versateller cards, the Seafirst Bank card was the only credit card Kurt was supposed to have in his possession when he left the rehab in Los Angeles. It was even used to purchase his ticket from Los Angeles to Seattle on Delta Airlines. Then the credit card was canceled by Courtney Love. Courtney claimed she canceled the card to keep Kurt from being able to get any money. She also claimed canceling the card would help her track his location as he attempted to try to use the card. When Cobain’s body was found, the two Versateller cards were found in his wallet, but the Seafirst Bank credit card was missing! Records later received from Seafirst Bank indicate someone was attempting to use Cobain’s Seafirst Bank card, up until, and as late as April 6th and 8th. I maintain Kurt Cobain was killed late Sunday evening, April 3rd, or in the early morning hours of Monday, April 4th. The Medical Examiner has estimated the time of death to be no later that April 5th. By either account, at least two transactions were attempted after Cobain was dead! 97 Here’s how the Seattle Media Spokesperson responded to this crucial piece of evidence which points directly to foul play in the death of Kurt Cobain: Officer O’Donnell said, “The information we’ve been able to receive fromthe bank has only been able to identify for us when the information was logged onto their main frame computer and not specifically when the attempt was made and who it was made by.” There’s only one reason for a statement like that: to deliberately deceive the public with misinformation in an attempt to cover-up a very sloppy policeinvestigation! The implication made by the police spokesman here is that no one really knows if these attempts were made after Cobain was dead. He wanted the viewer tobelieve the transactions could have been made earlier and just not logged into the computer until a later time and date. The truth is, the police have a record of the attempted credit card activity in their possession. The police got that record through my office. We obtained it fromthe credit card company and passed it on to the Seattle detectives. Anyone can see that according to this record, someone attempted to use Cobain’s credit card on April 6th and April 8th, well after we now know he was already dead! COBAIN’S CREDIT CARD RECORDWhen we spoke with the credit card company about the times listed on this record, they informed us that the times listed were probably inaccurate because the transaction attempt doesn’t always get recorded until later. As a result, the actual attempted transaction time may vary from the time listed on the record. Naturally, we asked the credit card company representative to explain just how inaccurate the recorded time might be. Could the discrepancy amount to as much as a day or two?98 “No. It would only be a few minutes, or in some cases an hour or so... but never a day or more,” the bank representative responded. So this minor discrepancy in recorded times does not change the fact that someone had been attempting to use Cobain’s credit card, on at least two occasions, after he was already dead. The Seattle police are completely aware of this! We informed them of the limits to these time discrepancies when we provided them with the original information about the attempted transactions. These details have been checked and re-checked by my office as well as countless media researchers. Actually, there is something about this case that remains ‘consistent.” As they try to cover their tracks, the Seattle police have consistently provided the public with deliberately misleading information. ISSUE #3 No legible prints on the shotgun:In reference to the lack of legible prints on the shotgun, Sean O’Donnell issued the following statement: “Well, I think it’s clear that anyone who is familiar with firearms and theiruse would know that as they hold a weapon that frequently that weapon will move in their hand. Additionally when that weapon is discharged that causes a jerking motion which causes the hands to move over the surface of the weapon and all of those factors could cause any fingerprints that may have been left on the weapon to be unusable.” I would agree... if the shotgun had never been touched until the moment it was fired into Cobain’s mouth. Then O’Donnell’s “theory” might be remotely possible! But let’s do a reality check here. 1. The gun shop owner and/or employee had to handle this shotgun when it was put on display at the shop. 2. Kurt Cobain would also have handled the shotgun on March 30th, the day he purchased it. This was a somewhat rare shotgun. It’s a semi-automatic. The barrel recoils approximately 3” when it’s fired to automatically re-load the next shell. In addition to handling the shotgun during the sales transaction, someone atthe store had to show Cobain how to load it and how it works. This would require extensive handling of the weapon not only by Kurt Cobain, but also by at least one other person at the gun shop. 3. After putting the shotgun in the car, Cobain would have handled it again when he got out of the car take it inside his house, and... 99 4. Cobain would have handled it a few days later when he returned homeand retrieved the weapon from where he left it in the house. 5. The shotgun was loaded with three shells prior to being discharged. Since it was loaded for protection, someone, most likely Kurt himself, loaded those three shells into the shotgun. This would again require substantial handling the shotgun. So this weapon was not just handled at the time of Cobain’s death as thepolice would have you believe. It was legitimately handled at other times by at least one other person, (not to mention the person who shot him), and it had to have been handled extensively by Kurt himself. There should have been fingerprints all over that shotgun... unless someone wiped them off! ISSUE #4 Handwriting on the note found at the scene: I’m not going to spend a lot of time discussing handwriting right now. Thepoints brought up by the handwriting experts on Unsolved Mysteries address the inconsistencies quite well. Marcel B. Matley, one of the Document Examiners hired by UnsolvedMysteries, commented, “As to the last four lines, there are more than a dozen differences that should give us pause and we would have to reasonably explain these differences before we could conclude it was written by Cobain.” Another Document Examiner interviewed by Unsolved Mysteries, Reginald Alton of Oxford University, also pointed out more than a dozen discrepancies and stated, “There are many indications that there could be a second hand at work.”But Sean O’Donnell, Spokesperson for the Seattle Police Department, in referring to their own Document Examiner, simply said, “It was her opinion that it was written by Cobain.” As usual, the public is expected to accept the official “opinion” at face value, without any explanation of the discrepancies. “Don’t question us. We know what we’re doing.” End of story! “When the sole basis for accepting the expert’s opinion is the selfassertion of great personal merit, training, experience, orprestigious sounding titles, it is no more than an opinionated opinion, though well dressed in the trappings and semblance ofscience and authority.” Marcel B. Matley Quote
arnold layne Posted June 26, 2012 Author Posted June 26, 2012 I think Kurt Cobain was depressed.Although suicide is a different question. Quote
Desperado Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) what is that even taken from. Somebody else who doesn't have a jobe that has anything to do with homicide investigationsOh yeah? He was a LA county detective for decades. Try againthe same detective that Courtny hired? the guy who hade been in Kurts house without finding him dead......maybe he killed him? Durpa durp.Yes, the PI that searched the house and was never told about the greenhouse even after Courtney instructed Dylan(kurt's friend to check the greenhouse.)He wasn't found in the house. Again, you have no idea of the facts here.haha so you don't belive he could have searched the greenhouse without telling them? but you then belive somebody else did kil him just because the guy you belive in wrote a book he was found in a house so does it matter what the fuck I'm calling the house? no. I know that he claimed he searched the main house or what you want to call it but he could have lied. Edited June 26, 2012 by Desperado Quote
Rustycage Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) ISSUE #5 Toxicology: Heroin blood level =1.52 mgs per liter. Diazepam also present. While introducing Dr. Cyril Wecht, a nationally known forensic pathologist,Robert Stack, the host of Unsolved Mysteries, commented: "Even though he hasn't seen the autopsy report, Wecht believes the suicide ruling is correct. However, he does find the high level of heroin intriguing." Dr. Wecht agreed with the "suicide conclusion," primarily due to the information contained in the Seattle Police reports. Based on his reading of those reports, Wecht was led to believe the following: A. Cobain was known to be suicidal. Cobain tried to kill himself on two other occasions and had left another "suicide" note on one of those occasions. B. After he fled a rehab in Los Angeles, Cobain purchased a shotgun. C. There were marks on Cobain's hands "consistent with the firing of the weapon." D. There was a "suicide" note at the scene. In other words, Dr. Wecht had been given the same false information as had been furnished to everyone else! What else could he believe? I would have concluded the same thing... if that had been the only information I had access to! But when it came to some of the true evidence in this case, the extremely high level of heroin and Diazepam found in Cobain's blood system, look closely at what Dr. Wecht had to say: "For most people including addicts... 1.52 milligrams per liter of Morphine is a significant level, and for most of them, a great percentage, it will be a level that will induce a state of unconsciousness quite quickly, we're talking about seconds, not minutes." Wecht later added: "I just cannot tell you that it would have been impossible for him to have shot himself because it was found he had a level of 1.52 milligrams per liter of morphine at the postmortem examination. It's certainly within the realm of possibility, but it does raise a question as to whether or not he shot that shotgun." Then we heard from Dr. Donald Reay, the Seattle Medical examiner: "It's really an issue of tolerance, how much is this person used to. If a person hasgradually over months or years increased the dose, a person could function withthat amount of drugs, narcotics, or whatever it is present in the system. Again, somuch of it depends on individual tolerance over a period of time." 101This was certainly a clever response by Dr. Reay, but we're not talking about drugs in general here. Yes, a person can build up an extremely high tolerance to some drugs. But we're talking specifically about heroin tolerance levels here. There's a tremendous amount of research data available about heroin tolerance levels, including levels for hard core addicts and heroin mixed with Diazepam. It appears that the "opinions" of these experts stem from a very safe, conservative, and non-committal reaction to the question, rather than from actual clinical experience with similar cases and/or systematic research into the subject matter. TOXICOLOGY RESEARCH Thousands of cases over a 20 year period As mentioned previously, the heroin, (morphine), level found in Cobain's blood system after his body was found was 1.52 mg per liter of blood. This amounts to three times a lethal dose, even for a hardcore heroin addict! Diazepam, (Valium), was also present in Cobain's blood system. The excessive overdose raises some very fundamental questions: A. If Cobain injected himself with a deliberate heroin overdose, why would he ALSO shoot himself in the head with a shotgun, leaving images of destruction and violence for his beloved daughter? B. If he really wanted to die, why not just "go to sleep" on the overdose and never wake up? C. If Cobain injected himself with three times a lethal dose of heroin, COULD he then pick up a shotgun and shoot himself? Wouldn't he have been immediately incapacitated? WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM HIS FRIEND The police reports indicate there were "puncture marks" on the inside of bothCobain's left and right elbows. This indicates the drugs may have been administered by at least two separate injections. It also means the final fatal dose may have been administered after a rigged disabling dose had first been injected. One of the dangers of doing drugs with a friend is that you don't always know your true friends from your real enemies! 102 103EXCERPT FROM A RECENT LETTER:My sister recently graduated from medical school (interning at D.C. General Hospital and Greater Southeast Hospital in Washington, D.C., among others) and I ran the drug evidence by her. I basically called her and asked "Hey, Sis. How much is too much in terms of heroin?" (without telling her why I wanted to know or what my question pertained to). She took out a few medical books and checked for me what a lethal dose of heroin was (mind you, she has treated a lot of overdose victims as well as gun-shot wounds)... So, I asked her, "what if someone died and had 1.5 mg of morphine in their blood". (I purposely left out the "per liter of blood" part.) She said, "you mean 1.5 mg total?" Thinking to myself that she's smarter than I gave her credit for, I clarified and told her the "per liter of blood" part. She said that she would question whether someone else injected the person because they'd be too incapacitated to do that much themselves. I further said, "What if this someone that died and had 1.5 mg of morphine per liter of blood and they shot themselves with a gun in their head afterwards." She said, "Impossible. They would already be dead from the heroin." After going on like this for about an hour, I told her what I was talking about - Kurt Cobain. I didn't tell her earlier in our conversation because, last time I mentioned the Cobain murder, she basically brushed me off. She's one of those types that think Kurt Cobain was just another rock star that died from drugs. In fact, she didn't even like his music... until I bought her the Unplugged CD... she likes that.., but nothing else. So, we talked for another 2 hours about this medical evidence. Finally, I told her that I had printed your investigation from your website. She wanted to read it. So, I brought it to her house the next day. She started reading it around 10:00 p.m. and stayed up until 5:00 a.m. reading your data and verifying the medical evidence, concluding there was no way Kurt committed suicide. In her words, "It's impossible that he could have done this to himself." I can't even believe she spent so much time on the case! Thanks for sticking with the investigation; it means a lot. Take good care... (Name withheld) Excerpts from: 104"DEAD MEN DON'T PULL TRIGGERS" Written by ROGER LEWISWith the assistance of LORI CLERMONT NOTE: Sources are shown as a number in parenthesis. The complete list of sources has been listed at the end of this essay. The essay was revised and expanded by the author on March 2, 1997. It begins by considering the inaccuracy of several media reports claiming thatCobain injected 1.52 mg of heroin, and continues... … The figure 1.52 mg actually refers to the level of drugs found in Cobain's blood,not the amount he originally injected. This can be seen in other reports, both biographical and mass media, where the 1.52 mg level is sometimes further described as "per liter of blood" or "triple the lethal dose," usually with subsequent notes that an addict has higher tolerance. … Cobain would have needed to inject much more than 1.52 mg of heroin to help even the most mild headache. No doubt exists that a blood level of 1.52 mg of morphine per liter is just a little bit over three times the lethal dose, but the implications of this fact are not well understood. There is no such thing as a 'blood heroin level" because heroin isinstantly transformed into morphine when it enters the blood. What Is A Lethal Dose Of Heroin? The lethal dose range of intravenous heroin is generally regarded as 10 mg to 12 mg. Sometimes even a tiny dose can kill, so the lethal dose of intravenous heroin can go as low as 3 mg, possibly even lower. Some people get confused and think that high variability in the minimum lethal dose means that a similar variability exists for the maximum lethal dose. The most serious heroin addicts will die with virtual certainty with much less than a dose of 75 mg to 80 mg of heroin. After studying many hundreds of such cases, it is clearly established that 75 mg to 80 mg is the maximum lethal dose for even the most severe heroin addicts. Note that in a low tolerance person, in an average hospital setting, a small effective therapeutic dose of intravenous heroin is only 3 mg to 4 mg. The important thing to note here is that the problems associated with establishing a "lethal dose" for intravenous heroin primarily relates to the problem of establishing a "minimal lethal dose," i.e. the smallest amount of heroin which will kill. The "maximum lethal dose," i.e. the highest dose of intravenous heroin a severeheroin addict can withstand without immediately collapsing into a coma and/orimmediately dying, is very well documented.The blood morphine level of 1.52 mg per liter found in Cobain's body represents a heroin dose which is substantially higher than this well established maximum lethal dose. How Much Heroin Can A Severe Addict Survive? One study involved a small group of severe addicts who used high doses ranging from 150 mg to 200 mg of morphine four times daily (75). This is equivalent to an intake of approximately 45 mg to 60 mg of heroin, fourtimes daily. These addicts showed some signs of serious effects, but continued for several years without fatality and showing average blood levels of 0.3 mg per liter. Another study points to the potential lethality of even low doses, with 5 fatalities showing an average of a mere 0.021 mg per liter of blood, representing an approximate intake of 3 mg, i.e the average functioning dose. The average person without pain or addiction will overdose with 60 mg of morphine (18 mg heroin), yet a patient in serious pain will likely require the same dose, 60 mg of morphine (18mg heroin) to relieve such serious pain symptoms. Platt also mentions a particular study where severe heroin addicts were monitored, and the maximum dose seen was a daily total of 260 mg heroin, taken in four divided doses, i.e. 65 mg heroin each dose (75). Again, the maximum lethal dose of heroin is shown to be 75 mg - 80 mg for a 150 lb. severe addict. Such a lethal dose, of about 75 mg - 80 mg heroin, will give the soonto-be-dead individual a blood morphine level of approximately 0.5 mg of morphine per liter of blood. Astonishingly, this is less than one-third of the level that was found in Cobain's tiny body at least three days after his death. ...More than 100mg of morphine (30 mg heroin) almost always presents major complications. Doses over 250mg morphine (75 mg - 80 mg heroin) are usually associated with certain death, i.e. 75 mg - 80 mg of heroin, leads to a blood level of approximately 0.5mg per liter, the high end of toxic doses. Thus it is clear that Cobain ingested at least triple the lethal dose for even the most severe addict. If he were not a severe addict, then 1.52 mg per liter potentially represents up to 75 times the lethal dose. Details regarding common heroin doses are explained by Tong & Pond who state that, "the basic unit of sale is the 'tenth,' which is 1/10 of a gram or 100 mg of pure drug. This unit.., provides approximately 4 'hits' or doses. A quarter of a tenth (25 mgpowder) contains 20 mg to 24 mg of heroin, which is more than the usual street addict is used to per dose." (94). Severe addicts may require 3 such hits in 1 dose, 4 times daily, while Cobain's blood morphine level represents a dose of approximately 8 to 10 such "hits." 105 106INCAPACITATED OR DEAD BEFORE GUNSHOT:The following quotes from Krivanek describe the rapid action of this deadly narcotic, especially when taken intravenously, "Heroin has a far more positive slope than either morphine or methadone - that is, its effects begin, and reach a peak more rapidly... 3 mg of heroin.., given by subcutaneous injection will provide adequate analgesia in about 70 per cent of patients with moderate to severe pain. At that dose sedative effects and respiratory depression should both be minimal. As dose increases, they become more pronounced, and the respiratory depression will become life-threatening with about 30 mg morphine.(9 -10 mg heroin, ed.) . ..lntravenous doses, on the other hand, can be considerably smaller, - about one-fifth of the subcutaneous dose."(53). Additionally, Platt remarks on the amazing rapid action of intravenous heroin by explaining that "...the high uptake of heroin… indicates that an abrupt entrance of heroin into brain tissue probably occurs 10 to 20 seconds after the usual intravenous injection by addicts...15 seconds, 68% uptake into brain with heroin compared to 42% for methadone, 24% for codeine, and morphine too small to measure. "(75). SOME DATA ON SPEED OF DEATH The Lange manual for Poisoning & Drug Overdose states that for opiates, "with higher doses, coma is accompanied by respiratory depression and apnea often results in sudden death." (68). Basically, a high lethal dose of heroin will either cause immediate death, or, in an unlikely scenario, immediate incapacitation by rendering the recipient comatose. This is described by Staub, et. al. as follows: "…we have shown that in 85% of the cases, the death should be attributed to a so-called 'golden shot'. In the remaining cases, the death is not so rapid and a survival period in a comatose state has to be taken into consideration." (90). Similarly, Garriot & Sturner, describe how "...morphine in the blood was found to correlate with the time of survival and ranged from 10 to 93 mcg per 100mI (.1 to .93 mg per liter, ed.) in the short-term interval group...6 mcg per 100 ml (.6 mg per liter, ed.)." (28). Notably, as of 1973, Garriott & Sturner did not find any blood morphine level over 0.93 mg per liter, i.e. Cobain's blood level was over 50% higher than the highest level they had ever encountered. Regarding the common sequelae of heroin overdoses, Nakamura explains "there are vivid accounts of victims lapsing into a deep coma immediately following a 'fix' with a syringe still affixed in the arm or on the floor underneath the body, and/or with an improvised tourniquet still in place around the arm." (63). Gossell & Bricker report that "for a large overdose, the victim rapidly lapses into coma and is not arousable by verbal or painful stimuli." (32). 107OTHER FACTORS ENSURED OVERDOSE LETHALITY:Compensating For Body Weight A blood morphine level of 1.52 mg/L indicates a heroin intake of approximately 225 mg - 240 mg. Thus, despite suggestions that Cobain may have simply been incapacitated by a normal, large dose fit for an addict, it must be noted that his body weight was at highest 130 lbs., and he was listed as being 115 lbs. in late 1993. This would generally increase his susceptibility to overdose by as much as 20%, since toxicity data is based on a 150 lb. adult. Compensating For Adulteration Heroin purity has been shown to vary widely, with samples containing as little as 1% heroin. Mexican black tar is usually no higher than 40% pure, but is not uncommonly up to 80% pure, while highest recorded purity level for Mexican black tar heroin is 93% pure (89). If the heroin used in this case was indeed Mexican black tar heroin, and it was in the range of the highest potency recorded, i.e. 93% purity, then the dose required to reach a blood morphine level of 1.52 mg per liter would be approximately 245 mg to 260 mg. Whatever the physical source of heroin was, it does not really matter; the only thing that makes one type of heroin stronger than another is concentration of dose, so it was approximately 225 mg to 240 mg of some type of heroin. If the purity was 40%, a more common figure, then the lethal dose, including adulterants, would have been around 600 mg. Thus there is a definite chance of up to 350 mg of procaine or acetyl procaine as an adulterant. Note that procaine is commonly found in samples of Mexican black tar heroin. Regarding the potential toxicity of procaine, it should be noted that procaine levels would likely be undetectable in Cobain's blood due to the fact that the body was found at least three days after death. Still, the importance of procaine's potential toxicity is emphasized by Nakamura, who says "Nearly all the contraband heroin in the western areas is obtained from Mexico and contains an appreciable amount of procaine, or acetyl-procaine, as a filler material. …The potential danger of a large concentration of this dilutor in street heroin needs to be better understood. (63). The Significance Of Diazepam Presence Diazepam is generally synonymous with the more well-known drug Valium, and sometimes the term diazepam refers to the generic category of drugs known as benzodiazepines. This class of drugs is regarded as sedative-hypnotic, and is not cross-tolerant to opioids. That means addicts can use diazepam and similar drugs in the same way that non-addicts use them. Conversely, even a heroin addict will experience toxicity to benzodiazepines in the same manner as a non-addict. A junkie is not immune to the toxic effects of a benzodiazepine overdose simply because he or she can handle a big dose of heroin. Cassidy, et. al. report "as both drugs cause respiratory depression…the likelihood of death resulting as a consequence...is greater than if either drug were taken alone." (10). Oldendorf reports on the effect of relaxation as increasing heroin absorption in the brain (67), a factor which addicts often attempt to manipulate, eg. by using heroin with a relaxant such as a benzodiazepine. Benzodiazepines & Heroin Common Partners In Deaths Diazepam poisoning in particular, and benzodiazepine poisoning in general, is rare in isolation, but not at all uncommon in combination with other similar drugs, notably heroin. Several current studies from sources as disparate as the USA, Australia, Denmark, and the U.K., show that benzodiazepine abuse frequently occurs with heroin abuse, and that resultant death is a serious, growing concern. Thetwo drugs have a definite added effect, increasing the likelihood of respiratory failure associated with heroin overdose by a very significant amount, which hasnow been relatively well quantified. The lethality of the combined use of heroin and diazepam are discussed by Nakamura, who mentions them in reference to occasional problems with finding a postmortem blood morphine level. The lethality of the heroin is so greatly increased that very small doses kill, meaning that "…the interaction of drugs in eliciting acute responses and causing deaths even when sub-lethal amounts of two or more drugs are present in postmortem specimens from the same cadaver may be a factor." (63).The Possibility Of Fast Acting Benzodiazepines The previous relative safety of benzodiazepines has become especially challenged lately with the misuse and abuse of related drugs such as Halcion and Xanax.Notably, these newer ultra short-acting benzodiazepines have a much shorter halflives. This means that they clear out of the body very fast. Also, they have beenconsidered the sole cause of death in recent forensic cases. Their potential lethality is especially increased when injected, and is the most common form of benzodiazepine related respiratory failure. While diazepam is effective at a dose of 5 mg, the effective dose of Xanax is merely 250 mcg, with a half-life of 10-20 hours. Thus Xanax works as well as Diazepam at one-twentieth of the dose. Diazepam works in 30 minutes, while Xanax works immediately, and has a half-life of 10-20 hours. That means that 10-20 hours after taking it, half of it has been rendered useless. When injected, benzodiazepines in general are twice as potent. Thus a significantly toxic oral dose of 30 mg of diazepam would be easily achieved by an approximate equivalent of 500 mcg to 750 mcg of intravenously administered Xanax. 108Diazepam is measured usually by its secondary metabolites in the liver, and the metabolites for Xanax and Diazepam and Valium are all very similar, so often no differentiation is made during testing, which is often only conducted to determine presence, not quantity. If the benzodiazepine in Cobain's blood was indeed a fast-acting one, then it very likely played a major role in making the massive dose of heroin even more deadly. Some Deaths Involving Heroin And Diazepam Gottschalk and Cravey, in their large compilation of deaths involving psychotropicdrugs, found 129 cases where morphine, predominantly intravenous heroin, wasdetermined to be the primary cause of death. Three of these cases involved diazepam and intravenous heroin or morphine (33). The first and second cases both involved oral diazepam plus intravenous heroin and/or morphine. The first case showed a blood morphine level of only 0.13 mg/L and diazepam at 1.4 mg/L, and the body was discovered approximately nine hours after death. Case 2 showed 0.3 mg/L blood morphine and 6 mg/L diazepam, and was discovered about seven hours after death. Case 3 included the possibility that the diazepam might have been injected with the morphine, and the blood levels were 0.02 mg/L morphine and 0.3 mg/L diazepam,with the body discovered about 24 hours after death. The third case in particular shows an extremely low blood morphine level can be lethal when combined with a low dose of diazepam. CASE UNPARALLELED IN SUICIDE & OVERDOSE REPORTS: Very High Blood Morphine Levels Are Rare Overdose reports normally show results similar to those from Logan & Luthi, who described 16 deaths caused by intravenous heroin or morphine in which blood levels were measured, and the highest serum morphine level seen was 0.920 mg/L. (57). Appendix A: Compendium of Intravenous Heroin Related Deaths Where Blood Morphine Levels Were Measured, shows the rarity of occurrence of a blood morphine level equal to or greater than Cobain's. Thousands of opiate related deaths were reviewed, and for the purposes of this report, over 3000 of these deaths were determined to be specifically related to overdoses among addicts involvingthe intravenous use of morphine or heroin. Next, this group was further narrowed to eliminate those cases in which blood morphine levels were not available. Cases where the drug was known to bemorphine were eliminated, as were cases where the cause of death was determined to be other than overdose. 109 The 1526 cases remaining showed 26 instances where the blood morphine levels were equal to or above Cobain's, an occurrence rate of 1.7%. None of the above cases reportedly involve a gun or violent suicide. Additionally,no case reported overdose sequlelae of a nature which would even imply thepossibility of anything other than immediate incapacitation and/or death. Where data was available, it was remarkably clear in presenting images of addicts with tourniquets in place, syringes in hand, and other evidence of abrupt death. Self-Poisoning & Violent Suicide Rare Among Addicts The fact that the Cobain case as it supposedly happened has no parallel in thereferences reviewed concurs with Burston's finding that "self-poisoning with morphine or heroin is very uncommon." (9). He also states the effects of heroin "…is of such short duration and is so intense thatit inhibits any type of physical activity, either criminal or non-criminal." (9). Also, no case of violent or traumatic suicide reviewed compared well with the Cobain case. Gatter studied "…1862 postmortem examinations of suicides carriedout in north west London over a 20 year period from 1957-1977...," (29) with only 20% (369 cases) committing suicide by physical injury, none of which involvedopiates. Maurer and Vogel state plainly "...the general rule that opiates inhibit tendencies toward violence." (59). Similar findings are reported by Nowers, in his study of "…51 consecutive gunshotsuicides in the County of Avon, England between 1974 and 1990," where it is apparent that suicide by gunshot is uncommon. "Of the 1,117 cases identified, 51 were gunshot suicides (4.5 per cent)... 39 used a shotgun." (65). Again, no case reported blood morphine levels. None Of 3586 Suicides Show Parallel To Cobain Case Additionally, Selway's (83) study of all 96 gunshot suicides in Victoria, Australia during 1988, demonstrates that none of the 64 cases where the blood was analyzed involved narcotics. Only two cases had taken an overdose of any kind, one drinking Paraquat, and the other taking oxazepam, alcohol, and imipramine. Selway's and Nowers' studies collectively deal with 147 suicides in which a gunshot was the cause of death, yet not one single case even distantly resembled the supposedscenario for Cobain's "suicide." The 1862 suicides studied by Gatter included 369 violent deaths, with 51 gunshot suicides as well as a significant degree of drug overdoses, yet again, no parallelexists to Cobain's case. Cooper & Milroy's study involved 536 suicides, 246 ofwhich were violent, 10 of which involved a gun. (15). 110Thus, in 3586 total suicides, including 208 suicides by gunshot, no case remotelyresembles a situation where a gunshot of any kind and a heroin overdose of even minor proportions occurred. Review Of Rare Overdose Cases In Cobain's Range Remarkably, 8 studies out of 19 reported on at least one of the 26 rare blood morphine levels in Cobain's range. Staubb, et. al., listed 12 cases in particular out ofthe 52 cases studied which showed total blood morphine levels equal or aboveCobain's level. (90). However, it is vital to note that all these cases involved abrupt death immediately following injection, and none of any of the 52 cases studies was reported to have committed suicide with a gun of any kind. Basically, their study showed a remarkable consistency in abrupt reactions,indicating an 85% probability of instant death, and 15% chance of instantaneous collapse into a comatose state. Still, it is worth pointing out that this is the single largest group of cases at or above Cobain's range. Coumbis & Balkrishena (16)show four high level cases, while Gottschalk & Cravey (33) and Hine, et. al. (42)each show 3 such cases. Studies which found only one such level, are Richards, at.al. (77), Paterson (70), and Monforte (62). Finally, Nakamura (63), mentioned previously, also found only one very high levelcase, with 1.8 mg/L, and the manner of death was known to be instantaneous. Washington State Heroin Overdoses Regarding Washington State heroin overdose deaths, including Seattle, a 1996 report by Logan & Smirnow in a study of 32 cases of "...deaths involving morphine." The focus of their research basically concerned testing the reliability of postmortem blood samples over time, and the variability's between morphine levels when collected from different tissues, including different "sites" of blood collection, eg.femoral, iliac, and ventricular sites. Also of specific relevance to the Cobain case is the authors noted "…the pattern ofopiate use in this population is almost exclusively one of Mexican black tar heroin." Generally, they conclude that "Although both site dependant differences and time dependant changes have been shown to affect the concentration of some drugs inpostmortem samples, neither appears to be the case with morphine." (58). The main point is that the Cobain blood data is generally regarded as reliable, despite the fact that the body was discovered at least three days after death. Moreimportantly, note that only one case of 32 was suicide, with the remainder listed asaccidents or probable accidents.The highest total blood morphine level, collected initially from the iliac site, is 0.4 mg/L, shows black tar heroin use among a population of addicts does not appear to necessarily lead to significantly higher blood morphine levels than those found in addict populations where black tar heroin is uncommon. Preponderance Of Evidence Further confirmation of these findings is seen ubiquitously throughout the scientific literature, creating a preponderance of evidence. Gottschalk & Cravey's study of 128 heroin-related deaths showed only 3 cases in Cobain's range. (33). Only one of the 128 deaths involved secondary self-inflicted trauma of any kind, in which one person committed suicide by hanging. Notably, despite evidence ofintravenous heroin and/or morphine use, and despite the fact that morphine levels in other tissues confirmed death by overdose, there was no morphine detectable in the blood at all, which helps explain how the individual had time to hang himself. The individual in question tested positive for several drugs, as is common in casesof self-poisoning, and this accounts for the lethality of the otherwise low dose of opiates. Specifically, oral methadone was also consumed, thus there would be amoderately delayed reaction before the combined effects of the drugs took effect and killed the victim before he died from the hanging itself. None of the 128 deaths involved a gun of any kind. Deconstructing The Myth Of The Suicidal Heroin Addict Paterson (70) discusses 189 cases of fatal self-poisoning in North and West London between 1975 and 1984. These cases involved only one drug each, and each case was determined to be the direct result of an overdose of that specific drug, with no other contributing causes. The study further confirms that the myth of the suicidal heroin addict is indeed a myth, with only seven cases involving morphine, i.e. less than 0.04% of the cases studied. The average, or "mean," blood morphine level was high, at 1 mg/L, with a range of 0.19 mg/L to 1.9 mg/L, indicating at least one case in which the concentration was at or above Cobain's range (probably only one, which would raise the mean beyond normally seen mean levels). No other details are provided concerning the route of administration, i.e. whether or not the morphine or heroin were administered orally or intravenously. Intravenous administration is a significant possibility. Since Paterson's study includes at least one case in seven in Cobain's range, the data is used in this study to determine the specific probability and/or possibility of an individual attaining such a high blood level. Note that if the data is interpreted as 1 case in 189, then the chances of an individual attaining such a blood morphinelevel via self-poisoning, during a nine year period, is less than 0.0054%, i.e. extremely remote. 112 113CASE CONSISTENT WITH HOMICIDE PATTERNS:Benefit Of Doubt Goes To The Victim The idea that a person could intentionally kill someone is hard to truly accept, and it is even harder to imagine someone staging a murder to look like a suicide. It seems normal to ask "does this really happen?" Yes it does happen... staged deaths are unfortunately not rare. Furthermore, criminology textbooks clearly state that when someone who is drugged supposedly commits suicide, the "...fair supposition..." is murder. Also, when an adult goes "missing," the chances of suicide are very slim. Read a sampling for yourself from O'Hara's, Charles E., Fundamentals of Criminal Investigation, (66). "…V. Beck examined forty suicides, whose skulls were smashed... Naturally in such cases the muzzle of the barrel must be placed directly under the chin or in the mouth. It is not therefore impossible that a murder may be committed in this way, and all the more likely as it lends itself easily to the suspicion of suicide; it is a fair supposition that a person asleep, stupefied, or bound, may thus be killed." Case parallels many homicide patterns: A review of Lester's book on murder statistics shows the conflicting nature of much of the research into the possible relationships between homicide and suicide, yet establishes very clearly that "Narcotics were more likely to be present in the homicides." (54). Victims of murder are usually men, and for both sexes, the most vulnerable age group is between 25 and 34 years of age. Both sexes were "…killed most often at home. Both were killed more often with guns..." Regarding the statistical possibility of spouse murder, Levin & Fox state that "...though only 15% of all homicides are committed by females, more than 40% of all poisonings are committed by them." (55). Lester reports on Wolfgang's 1956 Philadelphia study which concluded that "Wives killing husbands constituted 41% of female murderers...Men killed by women were most often killed by their wives." Furthermore, again consistent with Cobain case, "…spouse murders were more often violent and brutal than other murders... 85% of spouse murders took place in the home." (54). Another study showed "...murderers more often attacked people they knew." A 1972 study in New York City by Baden found "…215 homicides, 19 suicides, and 46 accidents among narcotic addicts. Narcotics homicides (versus other homicides versus other addict deaths) were more often male..." (54). 114Simulated Suicides A Major ConcernSimilarly, O'Hara remarks on the common phenomenon of "Simulated Suicides: These are usually planned by persons wishing to defraud insurance companies or to arrange for a change of spouse... A search for motives should include an inquiry into insurance policies...," as well as a concept especially relevant to this case, the "Incapacitating Sequence: Certain combinations of wounds suggest a physical impossibility. To draw a conclusion of suicide, the wounds should be physically not improbable...". Additionally, he makes the point "Murder: The conclusion that a particular homicide is a murder is often made by the exclusion of accident and suicide." (66). The above quotes show how a charge of murder can result from disproving the possibility of an accident or suicide. Motives aside, the main issue here is described above as an "incapacitating sequence." Indeed, the simple fact that Cobain was drugged at all is considered a major indication of murder. Truthfully, Cobain's death should have been treated as murder from the start; as the victim he should have received the benefit of the doubt. O'Hara remarks on the rarity of suicide among missing persons. He describes how the myth of a suicidal missing person perpetuates homicides staged to look like suicides; "To the layman the suicide theory is one of the first to suggest itself in a disappearance case. Statistically, however, it can be shown that the odds are greatly against the suicide solution. Approximately one out of 2,000 missing persons cases develops into a suicide case... A voluntary disappearance is motivated by a desire to escape from some personal, domestic, or business conflict... A disappointment in love seldom results in a self-inflicted death... In the disappearance of approximately 100,000 people annually in this country, it is to be expected that personal violence should play a significant part in some of the cases. Murder, the unspoken fear of the relatives and the police, must always lie in the back of the investigator's mind as a possible explanation. The suspicions of a shrewd investigator have not infrequently uncovered an unsuspected homicide. The two most popular motives for this type of homicide are money and love." Thus it is made clear that the police and relatives routinely view the possibility of murder with a certain degree of horror, while the investigator must remain suspicious to a degree which others may find ghoulish and/or paranoid, but which is nonetheless the call of duty. 115Diagnostic Discrepancies In AutopsiesWhen a diagnostic discrepancy occurs in an autopsy, it is twice as likely to be due to something missed than something found, or, as Hill & Anderson say, "…significant under diagnosis occurs more often than over diagnosis by a factor of almost 2:1."(41). This fact conforms with the Cobain case, where the massive level of blood morphine was mistakenly deemed irrelevant and thus "under diagnosed."... Burgess wrote, in Understanding the Autopsy, that "There are many jurisdictions in this country where you would not have to be half-smart to get away with murder, quite literally." Burgess continues, "The fact remains that, in all too many places, the investigation of possible murder is undertaken only after pressure is brought by relatives or other interested parties, and when such investigation is instituted, it is done so incompetently that murder after murder goes unsolved and unpunished." (8). "The question whether a fatal injury was homicidal, suicidal, or accidental is as common in real life as it is in detective fiction. . . . It is natural for a murderer to try to escape detection by making his crime look like suicide or accident, and such attempts have doubtless been going on for a long time. One cannot say how long, for one never hears about them when they succeed. However, records of failures take us quite far back." Smith, Sir Sydney (87) THE COBAIN CASE SHOULD BE RE-OPENED THE VERDICT SHOULD BE CHANGED A large dose of two drugs administered by injection thus appears to be a definite possibility. Specifically, Cobain was probably given an injection of no less 225 mg of some type of heroin and a benzodiazepine. The suggestion that Cobain's tolerance to heroin was so high that he could have withstood the dose described above is clearly mistaken. The addition of a benzodiazepine of any kind, especially in combination with Cobain's low body weight, points to complete incapacitation at best, and strongly, if not conclusively indicates Cobain was dead before the gunshot wound. The official statement that Cobain ingested triple the lethal dose of heroin is probably an underestimate, yet it must not be understated that triple the lethal dose of intravenous heroin is three times more than the amount which kills even the most severe addict. And remember... Dead men don't pull triggers.FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS This page consists of the questions most often asked by thousands of our supporters around the world When did you first believe Cobain's death was not suicide.., and why? I knew something wasn't quite right after my first meeting with Courtney Love on April 3, 1994. There were so many inconsistencies and outright lies being thrown around right from the beginning. Much of what happened over the next fewdays didn't make much sense. I had been involved in a similar case involving a missing 18 year old girl. That case also began with inconsistencies and ended in murder. This young girl'sbody was eventually found in a dumpster in Hollywood. With the Cobain case, my first reaction was simply an attempt to get the police to slow down and look closer at the whole thing. As things developed overthe next few days, weeks and months, I became more and more suspicious that this was a murder. Nearly seven months after Cobain's death, while going over my notes and other documentation on the case, I discovered additional evidence that put me way over the top. Now I was sure. Kurt Cobain was murdered. Why isn't Rosemary Carroll saying anything? (Rosemary Carroll was Kurt and Courtney's close friend and entertainment attorney. Rosemary is also the wife of Danny Goldberg, CEO of Warner Bros. Records). To the best of my knowledge, Rosemary is still Courtney's entertainment attorney. Her law firm probably doesn't know what to do with her now. After all, what do you do with an attorney who might have a conscience?? (Don't look for a punch line here). Rosemary is in quite a predicament. She expressed her belief to me that Courtney might somehow have been involved in Kurt's death when I first met with her in Los Angeles, on April 13th, 1994. For the next several months, we occasionally spoke on the telephone and met at her house in Los Angeles where she continued to furnish me with information and evidence implicating Courtney. Rosemary did not believe Kurt was suicidal or that the incident in Rome wasa "suicide attempt." Her initial reaction to the so called "suicide" note, once she finally got to see it, was total disbelief! Rosemary was also convinced Courtney had something to do with the wording on the Seattle "suicide" note. She said it was full of terminology used mostly by Courtney, not by Kurt. Rosemary Carroll had nothing to gain and everything to lose if she was rightabout her suspicions. Unfortunately, others close to Rosemary also have a lot to lose, so Rosemary is being kept quiet. 122What reaction have you gotten from Krist Noveselic and Dave Grohi? I don't discuss Krist and Dave because they've decided not to talk about Kurt's death publicly. I respect them both and I understand their decision. They're both in a tough spot. I want to make it clear here that Krist and Dave had nothing whatsoever to do with Kurt Cobain's murder. I wish them nothing but the best. Who else have you talked to or interviewed about Cobain's death? Other than those mentioned in the investigation manual, I continue to protect the identity of those who I communicate with about this case. What about Dylan Carlson? Is he a suspect? Dylan was Kurt's best friend. He's also a heroin addict. I'm convinced that although Dylan was used by Courtney in this scheme, he had no knowledge that Kurt was going to be killed. Courtney uses Dylan and others around her to serve her purposes. She's gotthe money and power to get what she wants. Once you become part of her innercircle of gophers, you do and say what she tells you and you don't ask questions. Some in Courtney's inner circle are naive to what she's really capable of.others are blinded by her fame, fortune and power. And then there are those who arejust plain scared. As Courtney readily admits, "In my world people are pretty scared of me... so they don't f**k with me." Did Dylan know Kurt was lying dead in the greenhouse when you were there? Wednesday night/early Thursday morning - No. Thursday night, when wereturned... possibly. I believe Courtney was trying to direct Dylan to discover the body, but he was really confused about what was going on here. By late Thursday afternoon, I have reason to believe Dylan knew Kurt was dead. Later that night, as mentioned inthe Summary Of Events, Courtney told him, "Be sure and check the greenhouse."Why didn't he? Because he may not have wanted to! What motive would the Seattle Police Department have for covering up a sloppy investigation? The short answer - Professional pride, city politics and potential lawsuits. When is the last time you heard a public official admit they were wrong, especiallyin a high profile incident where there is so much at stake? Now here's the long answer... 123After attending the candlelight vigil in Seattle in memory of Kurt Cobain, a young man returned to his home and abruptly ended his own life with a single bullet. In Southern Turkey a teenage girl was suffering from depression since hearing about Cobain's death. She put on a Nirvana song, locked her bedroonmdoor, and shot herself in the head.In Australia, a teenager committed suicide as a tribute to Cobain. A twenty year-old man in Tracy, California was with friends when he put a shotgun in his mouth and said, "Look, I'm just like Kurt Cobain." Now he is. There have been several other reports of "copy-cat" suicides since Cobain'sdeath. These are just some of the reports I've heard through various media sources. Still wondering about police motive? I met with the police just one week after Kurt died. By this time I'd gathered enough evidence to show that something was horribly wrong with the events surrounding Kurt's death. It was too late. The "copy-cat" suicides had already begun. There was no way an outside investigator was going to overturn the official "opinion" on the cause of Kurt's death, an "opinion" that had already resulted inworld wide media coverage and had caused the loss of additional lives. Do you have photos of the body or of the autopsy? I don't discuss what photographs I have or don't have for tactical purposes. If you've got so much evidence, why haven't you arrested these people? Why haven't you brought this to trial? Most of our supporters know the answer to this question. It's usually askedby skeptics who are trying to write this whole thing off with simplistic, uneducated remarks. Even though many private investigators like myself are former police officers, we are now private investigators with no police powers granted by the state. A private investigator can only investigate and furnish information. Private investigators cannot file cases, press criminal charges, or make felony arrests in cases handled by local authorities. If the authorities choose to close their eyes, the only thing that will pry them open is public pressure. Why aren't you sharing all of the information and evidence you have? The Seattle police department deliberately misled me and the press. In addition, they've covered up important information and demonstrated a lack of good faith when it came to finding the truth. 124 I expect this case to eventually be re-opened but it needs to be handled by unbiased investigators, probably from another governmental agency, who aren'tjust out to save face and cover their tracks. These investigators will need something to work with, some "tools" for probing, interviewing, and interrogating. Investigative tools consist primarily of undisclosed information known only to the investigator conducting the interview. Knowledge of generally unknown information helps the investigator discernwhether or not the subject being interviewed is telling the truth. Every piece of information I release becomes one less tool for future investigators. It also becomes one more detail given over for use by those attempting to cover-up the truth. As it is, I've furnished a sufficient amount of evidence and information to prove this case needs to be re-examined by the authorities. I'll continue to release information, but exposing everything I know and revealing all of my evidence tothe general public would reduce the probative value of that information. Was the entire note found at the scene of Cobain's death a forgery? No. However, I did suspect a possible forgery at the beginning of theinvestigation. Once I had obtained a copy of the letter a few days after Cobain's death, I showed it to Rosemary Carroll. Rosemary said she didn't believe Kurt wrote it, but if he did, she felt he may have had some help from Courtney. So all possibilities had to be looked at closely. A thorough examination of the letter including handwriting comparisons, and a better understanding of the events surrounding Cobain's death soon led to theconclusion that Kurt wrote this entire letter himself... with the possible exception of the last line. A little logic here will dispel any further consideration that this entire letter was forged. 1. A forger who was smart enough to pull this off wouldn't be stupid enough to write such a long detailed letter that says nothing about suicide! 2. A forged letter would be short, simple and to the point. He or she wouldwant to leave as little evidence as possible behind in the form of handwriting samples. 3. A forged letter would most likely be written to his wife or daughter, not to his fans as this one was. 4. A forged letter would make it very clear that he was going to kill himself, leaving no room for speculation. 125 This letter, falsely labeled by the police as a "suicide" note, was indeed written by Kurt Cobain. But a careful reading of the letter along with the added knowledge of a second letter given to Courtney in which Kurt plainly stated he was leaving her and leaving Seattle, establishes this was not a "suicide" note. It was simply a retirement letter written to his fans that was obtained by the killers andlater used in the set-up. Why not leave his memory at peace? We could ask that same question each time anyone is murdered! But I think the answer is somewhat obvious. With this case in particular, Kurt's memory is not "at peace" with millions of his young fans. Several of Cobain's fans have killed themselves because they THOUGHT their idol took the easy way out. Meanwhile, images of Courtney'sperformances on stage where she uses her hand to simulate a gun in her mouth while screaming out "Kurt... Kurt," have done nothing to leave his memory in peace. I don't consider this scam to be a "peaceful" memory. I consider it a lie which has already proven to be a dangerous memory! Besides pursuing Cobain's murderers, a large part of what I'm doing is to preserve his memory the way his fans perceived him to be prior to his death. Aperson with faults, but a kind and honest person who loved his daughter much too much to leave her. And... a person who doesn't deserve the "memories" created through all the lies and deception originating with his ambitious and vindictive wife. 126Nick Broomfield's"KURT AND COURTNEY" Before I tell you how much I admire Broomfield's tenacity and courage in developing and producing this project, I want to clarify an extremely important issue brought up in one of my interviews in the film and a subsequent response from amedical doctor in the U.K. MEDICAL EVIDENCE REFUTED? During one of my interviews, I discussed Cobain's heroin blood level with Broomfield along with the research we've done indicating he would have been immediately incapacitated, therefore unableto pick up the shotgun and shoot himself. Broomfield argues that Kurt had a gigantic habit and therefore may have had a high tolerance level. I challenged Broomfield, on camera, toshow me just one similar case where it could be demonstrated that anyone, including a hard core heroin addict, could withstand this same heroin dosage without being immediately incapacitated. Broomfield then displays a still photograph of a man balancing on one leg as he narrates: "Tom Grant's assertion that 1.52 milligrams of heroin per liter ofblood would have incapacitated Kurt was discounted by Dr. Colin Brewer, formerly director of Westminster Hospital. He gave us this color slide of a patient balancing easily on one leg, who had taken the equivalent of over twice the amount taken by Kurt. In any event, Dr. Brewer said it would take 30 seconds to one minute for the heroin to circulate to take effect, leaving ample time to fire a gun." Now, in case you misunderstood the blood level figures, we're talking about 1.52 mgs per liter. To reach this blood level, Cobain would have had to inject anamount of heroin in excess of 225 mgs, all at one time. This is three times a lethal, (deadly) dose! If you've seen the film, I hope you paid close attention to the wording in Broomfield's statements: 127Note here that Broomfield did not say anything about this patient INJECTING any substance directly into a vein. Also note he did not say that HEROIN was the drug this patient had "taken."The audience is left to assume Broomfield was talking about a patient who had injected twice the amount of heroin as Cobain had injected? The fact is, the man seen in Broomfield's film balancing on one leg had swallowed 1,000 mgs of methadone, he did not inject anything, much less heroin,directly into his veins. Kurt Cobain was injected with heroin! Furthermore, Dr. Brewer's comments about the circulation time being 30 seconds to 1 minute were in reference to morphine, not heroin! Prior to the completion of his film, Broomfield faxed me a copy of Dr. Brewer's response to our medical research. I wrote a response to Dr. Brewer's comments and later faxed it back to Broomfield. Following are excerpts from my detailed response to Broomfield's fax. Nick, I can understand a person with little or no knowledge of the effects of heroinhaving a hard time understanding this. But it's difficult for me to understand howany competent medical doctor could be so confused. Dr. Brewer's response to these very simple issues borders on the absurd. You wrote: "For instance, he, (Dr. Brewer), has a slide of a patient balancing on one leg an hour after swallowing 1,000 mg of methadone at a time when his blood level was 4,000 meg/liter." The key words here are METHADONE and SWALLOWING. This kind of response to a serious inquiry is offensive. Any doctor should knowthere's a huge difference between heroin and methadone. Methadone is weaker than morphine. Methadone use is totally irrelevant to this case! Any reputable doctor should also know that the ingestion of almost any drug, by swallowing, produces nowhere near the immediate results that injecting the same drug intravenously will produce. The simple fact that Dr. Brewer is even comparing these criteria indicates he lacks a fundamental understanding of the matters inquestion. In another reference to Dr. Brewer's response, you wrote: "It takes two circulations for morphine to affect the body, that is 30 seconds to 1mm. This would give Kurt enough time to be able to pull a gun on himself." The circulation time of morphine has nothing to do with this case Nick. In fact, once injected, it takes 7 to 9 minutes for heroin to even become morphine! 128But we're talking about heroin injected intravenously here, not morphinewhich is often swallowed or injected subcutaneously, (not in a vein). Therefore discussions pertaining to morphine and/or methadone are not only irrelevant but also terribly misleading. While a massive dose of morphine may take a sufficient amount of time to display effects, a massive dose of heroin, injected directly into a vein, will incapacitate within seconds. Bodies with needles still in their, arms are a common phenomenon in heroin overdoses. In other words, they're knocked out before they even finished the injection! Heroin is stronger, faster, deadlier… and DIFFERENT than morphine! Apple with apples. Oranges with oranges. That's all we're asking here Nick. Tom Unfortunately, Nick Broomfield appears to discredit some very strong medical evidence with his inaccurate and misleading statements about Cobain'sheroin blood level. Then, he uses this misinformation as his basis to state that he no longer believes in the conspiracy theory! Why did Broomfield do this? I can't say for sure. There are manypossibilities including several that are understandable and innocent of any deliberate deception. Other than this one issue, Nick did such a great job with this film that I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. I'm going to believe he didn't understand themedical evidence and didn't have the time to do adequate research. I was out of town during much of the time we were trying to communicate on this issue so it took some time for me to respond Nick about Dr. Brewer's comments. It's possible the film had already been edited and it was too late to make the corrections. Now that we've got that straight, let's move on. Edited June 26, 2012 by Rustycage Quote
Desperado Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 what is that even taken from. Somebody else who doesn't have a jobe that has anything to do with homicide investigationsOh yeah? He was a LA county detective for decades. Try againthe same detective that Courtny hired? the guy who hade been in Kurts house without finding him dead......maybe he killed him? Durpa durp.Yes, the PI that searched the house and was never told about the greenhouse even after Courtney instructed Dylan(kurt's friend to check the greenhouse.)He wasn't found in the house. Again, you have no idea of the facts here.haha so you don't belive he could have searched the greenhouse without telling them? but you then belive somebody else did kil him just because the guy you belive in wrote a book he was found in a house so does it matter what the fuck I'm calling the house? no. I know that he claimed he searched the main house or what you want to call it but he could have lied. Quote
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