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the OP of this thread is a buckethead and robin finck hater. haters hate

Not true at all. I just think the fan worship of these two guys in GNR is a bit ridiculous, considering 1. BH and Finck were only in the band for a relatively short period of time and 2. between them they only have a total of three writing credits out of the fourteen tracks on CD. Dizzy Reed, Chris Pitman, Paul Tobias and Tommy Stinson all have more writing credits on CD than Robin Finck.

I can understand fans romanticising about guys like Slash and Izzy, people who were in the band for years, co-wrote several albums together etc. But BH was only in the band for three years...

but robin co-write the best BIG GUN and guns song on chinese democracy record n guns n roses called better. what have dj ashba or ron thal written that's better?

and you're forgetting the thousands of songs bucket and robin recorded with axl and tommy during the chidem sessions

theses songs will make multiple guns n roses albums of new materials

You have still not heard anything Ashba has written for GnR. What if he's written good songs? Your assumptions are ridiculous as Robin has not had a single songwriting credit before Better. :shrugs:

dj ashba has 0 guns n roses song writing credits

Yes. They still haven't released a single song since he joined. Same thing could have been said about Finck up until 2006, that's more time playing other people's stuff than Ashba has been in GnR. Please, use arguments that actually have substance instead of just saying random good stuff about Robin that are, a lot of times, completely made up. :rolleyes:

you can't change the facts. dj ashba is unproven. so is ron thal. robin finck is proven. robin's by the chinese democracy record. guns n roses concerts and chinese democracy world tours in 2001, 2002, and 2006. robin is proven with the many songs written and recorded for multiple new guns n roses records. robin's proven. dj and ron are not

Robin has proven that in more than two decades in two different important rock bands, he has written ONE song that made it to an album. It's a great song, don't get me wrong. But ONE song. Paul Tobias has written more stuff than Robin has. Dizzy has written more stuff than Robin has. Chris Pitman has written more stuff than Robin has. Josh Freese, in his BRIEF stay in GnR wrote one song. People don't wish Robin was back 'cause he was amazing, people wish Robin was back 'cause he got replaced by Mr.Emo Hollywood Rockstar. :rolleyes:

those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

because they didn't do the heavy lifting recording of the unreleased chinese democracy material

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

because they didn't do the heavy lifting recording of the unreleased chinese democracy material

You have absolutely no substance to back up your claim. You DO NOT know if Robin has written many songs with Axl that did not make it to CD, you DO NOT know if Paul Tobias or Ron haven't written more songs with Axl than Robin. You know nothing. Looking at numbers, it's a lot more probable that the CD leftovers were mostly written with Dizzy Reed or Chris Pitman than with Robin. :shrugs:

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

because they didn't do the heavy lifting recording of the unreleased chinese democracy material

You have absolutely no substance to back up your claim. You DO NOT know if Robin has written many songs with Axl that did not make it to CD, you DO NOT know if Paul Tobias or Ron haven't written more songs with Axl than Robin. You know nothing. Looking at numbers, it's a lot more probable that the CD leftovers were mostly written with Dizzy Reed or Chris Pitman than with Robin. :shrugs:

between 1999-2008 robin finck wasn't sitting on his thumbs waiting for the next guns n roses concert.....robin was writing and recording lots of new guns n roses songs during that time period

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

because they didn't do the heavy lifting recording of the unreleased chinese democracy material

You have absolutely no substance to back up your claim. You DO NOT know if Robin has written many songs with Axl that did not make it to CD, you DO NOT know if Paul Tobias or Ron haven't written more songs with Axl than Robin. You know nothing. Looking at numbers, it's a lot more probable that the CD leftovers were mostly written with Dizzy Reed or Chris Pitman than with Robin. :shrugs:

Just saying, Ron hasn't written a single song with GNR and that's a fact. If it's not common sense, he actually said it somewhere too.

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

because they didn't do the heavy lifting recording of the unreleased chinese democracy material

You have absolutely no substance to back up your claim. You DO NOT know if Robin has written many songs with Axl that did not make it to CD, you DO NOT know if Paul Tobias or Ron haven't written more songs with Axl than Robin. You know nothing. Looking at numbers, it's a lot more probable that the CD leftovers were mostly written with Dizzy Reed or Chris Pitman than with Robin. :shrugs:

Just saying, Ron hasn't written a single song with GNR and that's a fact. If it's not common sense, he actually said it somewhere too.

Even if Ron hasn't, my point is still there.

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

because they didn't do the heavy lifting recording of the unreleased chinese democracy material

You have absolutely no substance to back up your claim. You DO NOT know if Robin has written many songs with Axl that did not make it to CD, you DO NOT know if Paul Tobias or Ron haven't written more songs with Axl than Robin. You know nothing. Looking at numbers, it's a lot more probable that the CD leftovers were mostly written with Dizzy Reed or Chris Pitman than with Robin. :shrugs:

between 1999-2008 robin finck wasn't sitting on his thumbs waiting for the next guns n roses concert.....robin was writing and recording lots of new guns n roses songs during that time period

And so were the other members. I think especially Paul did write a lot of songs (or contributed to) which we haven't heard yet. And as he was still writing new material with the band after he stopped participating in the lives, I am pretty sure it is easy to assume that he ( together with Chris and Dizzy) may be the main songwriters for the leftovers.

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

because they didn't do the heavy lifting recording of the unreleased chinese democracy material

You have absolutely no substance to back up your claim. You DO NOT know if Robin has written many songs with Axl that did not make it to CD, you DO NOT know if Paul Tobias or Ron haven't written more songs with Axl than Robin. You know nothing. Looking at numbers, it's a lot more probable that the CD leftovers were mostly written with Dizzy Reed or Chris Pitman than with Robin. :shrugs:

between 1999-2008 robin finck wasn't sitting on his thumbs waiting for the next guns n roses concert.....robin was writing and recording lots of new guns n roses songs during that time period

And so were the other members. I think especially Paul did write a lot of songs (or contributed to) which we haven't heard yet. And as he was still writing new material with the band after he stopped participating in the lives, I am pretty sure it is easy to assume that he ( together with Chris and Dizzy) may be the main songwriters for the leftovers.

paul, chris, and dizzy didn't write and record the number of songs robin did

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

because they didn't do the heavy lifting recording of the unreleased chinese democracy material

You have absolutely no substance to back up your claim. You DO NOT know if Robin has written many songs with Axl that did not make it to CD, you DO NOT know if Paul Tobias or Ron haven't written more songs with Axl than Robin. You know nothing. Looking at numbers, it's a lot more probable that the CD leftovers were mostly written with Dizzy Reed or Chris Pitman than with Robin. :shrugs:

between 1999-2008 robin finck wasn't sitting on his thumbs waiting for the next guns n roses concert.....robin was writing and recording lots of new guns n roses songs during that time period

And so were the other members. I think especially Paul did write a lot of songs (or contributed to) which we haven't heard yet. And as he was still writing new material with the band after he stopped participating in the lives, I am pretty sure it is easy to assume that he ( together with Chris and Dizzy) may be the main songwriters for the leftovers.

paul, chris, and dizzy didn't write and record the number of songs robin did

And you know that how?

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

because they didn't do the heavy lifting recording of the unreleased chinese democracy material

You have absolutely no substance to back up your claim. You DO NOT know if Robin has written many songs with Axl that did not make it to CD, you DO NOT know if Paul Tobias or Ron haven't written more songs with Axl than Robin. You know nothing. Looking at numbers, it's a lot more probable that the CD leftovers were mostly written with Dizzy Reed or Chris Pitman than with Robin. :shrugs:

between 1999-2008 robin finck wasn't sitting on his thumbs waiting for the next guns n roses concert.....robin was writing and recording lots of new guns n roses songs during that time period

And so were the other members. I think especially Paul did write a lot of songs (or contributed to) which we haven't heard yet. And as he was still writing new material with the band after he stopped participating in the lives, I am pretty sure it is easy to assume that he ( together with Chris and Dizzy) may be the main songwriters for the leftovers.

paul, chris, and dizzy didn't write and record the number of songs robin did

And you know that how?

because from 1999-2008 the lead guitar man in guns n roses was robin finck. the lead guitarist writes and records the majority of new songs for album releases

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

because they didn't do the heavy lifting recording of the unreleased chinese democracy material

You have absolutely no substance to back up your claim. You DO NOT know if Robin has written many songs with Axl that did not make it to CD, you DO NOT know if Paul Tobias or Ron haven't written more songs with Axl than Robin. You know nothing. Looking at numbers, it's a lot more probable that the CD leftovers were mostly written with Dizzy Reed or Chris Pitman than with Robin. :shrugs:

between 1999-2008 robin finck wasn't sitting on his thumbs waiting for the next guns n roses concert.....robin was writing and recording lots of new guns n roses songs during that time period

And so were the other members. I think especially Paul did write a lot of songs (or contributed to) which we haven't heard yet. And as he was still writing new material with the band after he stopped participating in the lives, I am pretty sure it is easy to assume that he ( together with Chris and Dizzy) may be the main songwriters for the leftovers.

paul, chris, and dizzy didn't write and record the number of songs robin did

And you know that how?

because from 1999-2008 the lead guitar man in guns n roses was robin finck. the lead guitarist writes and records the majority of new songs for album releases

That's an assumption, man. We know nothing. Robin could have written 50 songs with Axl, or maybe just Better 'cause he got lucky. Who knows? :shrugs:

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those other members you mention are not significant 2 guns n roses or future unreleased chinese democracy records. robin finck is

as for dj ashba....you're basically spot on about him

Why are the other mentioned members not important for future of the band? Most of them are still IN the band or known writing with the band (Paul).

because they didn't do the heavy lifting recording of the unreleased chinese democracy material

You have absolutely no substance to back up your claim. You DO NOT know if Robin has written many songs with Axl that did not make it to CD, you DO NOT know if Paul Tobias or Ron haven't written more songs with Axl than Robin. You know nothing. Looking at numbers, it's a lot more probable that the CD leftovers were mostly written with Dizzy Reed or Chris Pitman than with Robin. :shrugs:

between 1999-2008 robin finck wasn't sitting on his thumbs waiting for the next guns n roses concert.....robin was writing and recording lots of new guns n roses songs during that time period

And so were the other members. I think especially Paul did write a lot of songs (or contributed to) which we haven't heard yet. And as he was still writing new material with the band after he stopped participating in the lives, I am pretty sure it is easy to assume that he ( together with Chris and Dizzy) may be the main songwriters for the leftovers.

paul, chris, and dizzy didn't write and record the number of songs robin did

And you know that how?

because from 1999-2008 the lead guitar man in guns n roses was robin finck. the lead guitarist writes and records the majority of new songs for album releases

That's an assumption, man. We know nothing. Robin could have written 50 songs with Axl, or maybe just Better 'cause he got lucky. Who knows? :shrugs:

we know nothing because axl and guns n roses management isn't talking. but some assumptions are right. i bet this assumption is right. axl hired robin to put slash to sleep on new guns n roses records. not to burn the slash flame on guns n roses concerts. when axl was in this mode.....he and robin recorded a bunch of songs. i bet on hundreds. maybe even thousands of songs recorded in this time period. axl is sitting on these songs. like some have said......they're in axl's vault waiting to be unleashed on the public. it would be a big mistake to assume axl and robin didn't make all these songs in the discussed time period

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Robin is no better than DJ and Buckethead made the band into a laughing stock, purely from his image and that's why I detest him in GNR. Yes, great solo's, but ron can do those. Seriously, a hockey mask and KFC bucket on his head and does a robot dance? Get a fuckin grip laugh.gif

Yes fucking Ron exemplifies rock n roll and cool right? So does DJ Ashba right? Buckethead and Finck were a new GNR, this band feels like nothing more than a cover band, which is what they are. I think time is the best judge, and the Buckethead/Finck years defined New GNR. This band is just playing their music.

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Robin is no better than DJ and Buckethead made the band into a laughing stock, purely from his image and that's why I detest him in GNR. Yes, great solo's, but ron can do those. Seriously, a hockey mask and KFC bucket on his head and does a robot dance? Get a fuckin grip laugh.gif

Yes fucking Ron exemplifies rock n roll and cool right? So does DJ Ashba right? Buckethead and Finck were a new GNR, this band feels like nothing more than a cover band, which is what they are. I think time is the best judge, and the Buckethead/Finck years defined New GNR. This band is just playing their music.

Explain your nonsense, please. Why was the 2002 lineup a new GNR when they were mostly playing other people's songs while current GNR is playing several tracks from their last album, songs that they wrote? The same band members that were there and played songs they wrote are here now playing even more Chinese songs. Bucket played zero tracks he wrote in 2002, Robin played zero tracks he wrote in 2002 and Brain played zero tracks he wrote in 2002. Tommy, Dizzy, Paul and Chris are/were playing songs they wrote. Explain how this makes this band a cover band and the "2002 band" a "brand new band". Are you talking about the songs? If so, they're at least as different now (Some of them are even more different nowadays like Nightrain and Jungle) and apart from Ashba playing some Slash solos note for note (fair play to him because he says that fans are there to hear the songs how they were meant to be heard, not his own version of the songs), Ron and Rich change the solos and made them their own.

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Buckethead and Robin are history, get over it and move on.

Ay-o

I just refuse

:D

i just refuse 2. bucket and robin the most significant part of guns n roses. post slash, duff, izzy, dizzy, gilby, steven, and matt

+1

Chinese Democracy is a Buckethead, Robin Finck, Brain record with Axl on Vocals. I don't view it any other way.

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Buckethead and Robin are history, get over it and move on.

Ay-o

I just refuse

:D

i just refuse 2. bucket and robin the most significant part of guns n roses. post slash, duff, izzy, dizzy, gilby, steven, and matt

+1

Chinese Democracy is a Buckethead, Robin Finck, Brain record with Axl on Vocals. I don't view it any other way.

+2

certainly chinese democracy isn't a ron thal, dj ashba, dizzy reed, frank or pittman record with axl on vocals

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how is anyone arguing with finck6?!? she is a complete cupcake. she once fought with everyone for weeks saying that slash wrote don't cry. she's dont a ton a great cupcakes under various names. but she's insane. this finck6 thing is only gonna die when people wise up and realize it's silly to argue with her. it's just a joke.

You appear to know so much than I care to know about finck6

For this one time only, I 1+ her post as it made sense.

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Buckethead and Robin are history, get over it and move on.

Ay-o

I just refuse

:D

i just refuse 2. bucket and robin the most significant part of guns n roses. post slash, duff, izzy, dizzy, gilby, steven, and matt

+1

Chinese Democracy is a Buckethead, Robin Finck, Brain record with Axl on Vocals. I don't view it any other way.

+2

certainly chinese democracy isn't a ron thal, dj ashba, dizzy reed, frank or pittman record with axl on vocals

You can't + yourself doofus. It's obvious to everyone that you already agree with yourself.

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Buckethead and Robin are history, get over it and move on.

Ay-o

I just refuse

:D

i just refuse 2. bucket and robin the most significant part of guns n roses. post slash, duff, izzy, dizzy, gilby, steven, and matt

+1

Chinese Democracy is a Buckethead, Robin Finck, Brain record with Axl on Vocals. I don't view it any other way.

+2

certainly chinese democracy isn't a ron thal, dj ashba, dizzy reed, frank or pittman record with axl on vocals

You can't + yourself doofus. It's obvious to everyone that you already agree with yourself.

i give the fan a +2. not myself. i give the fan a +2 cause i agree with the fan

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Buckethead and Robin are history, get over it and move on.

Ay-o

I just refuse

:D

i just refuse 2. bucket and robin the most significant part of guns n roses. post slash, duff, izzy, dizzy, gilby, steven, and matt

+1

Chinese Democracy is a Buckethead, Robin Finck, Brain record with Axl on Vocals. I don't view it any other way.

+2

certainly chinese democracy isn't a ron thal, dj ashba, dizzy reed, frank or pittman record with axl on vocals

You can't + yourself doofus. It's obvious to everyone that you already agree with yourself.

i give the fan a +2. not myself. i give the fan a +2 cause i agree with the fan

It doesn't work that way when "the fan" is doing nothing but agreeing with what you already said.

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