Dazey Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) LinkDraft law number 8711, due to be debated by the Ukrainian parliament this week, would make it an offence to talk about lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) issues in the media. Even HIV advice to gay men could be banned. Some of the local activists I spoke to believe it would become illegal even to use the word "gay" in public. And the penalties are harsh – heavy fines or up to five years in prison. According to the UN, the law would amount to state-promoted discrimination and would violate a large number of rights protected under treaties signed by Ukraine.The threat to the LGBT population is not just theoretical; it is very real. Just over a month ago a gay pride march to celebrate the International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia had to be called off less than an hour before it was due to begin because of a counter-demonstration. The police said they couldn't guarantee the safety of the marchers. One of the organisers, Svyatoslav Sheremet, was savagely beaten by thugs hiding behind surgical masks shortly afterwards and suffered eye injuries and multiple cuts and bruises to his face and body. I met this brave man backstage on Saturday night.The wave of anti-gay violence and official harassment is not confined to Ukraine. Laws banning so-called gay propaganda were first passed in parts of Russia, including St Petersburg. Under the pretext of protecting minors, they make it illegal to hold any kind of parade, exhibition or even film festival that promotes equality for LGBT people. Just ask yourself how likely it is that a young person would be corrupted by a poster for a gay movie and you can see how absurd the laws are. They are a direct and intentional attack on the human rights of LGBT people.How tragic that Ukraine, which suffered under Russian domination for so long, should now be following suit. In 1991, Ukraine became the first former Soviet republic to decriminalise homosexuality. Twenty years later, it is among the first to threaten to imprison gay people again.If that wasn't bad enough, HIV charities – including my own Elton John Aids Foundation – are convinced the new law would make it harder to get safe-sex advice to the young people who need it most. The UN says the failure to protect LGBT rights is one reason why the HIV epidemic is advancing in Ukraine.In Britain we know all about laws against the "promotion" of homosexuality. Section 28 was a piece of legalised prejudice that took years to remove from the statute books. These new laws in eastern Europe go much further.I was joined backstage in Kiev by Lance Price, the executive director of the British LGBT rights organisation, the Kaleidoscope Trust. I am a strong supporter of the charity, whose message is simple: LGBT rights are human rights and human rights are LGBT rights. We are not asking for any special privileges, just the same protections under the law as everybody else.This week, in the runup to World Pride in London on Saturday, Kaleidoscope is launching a campaign – "What if it were illegal for you to be you?" Imagine if it were illegal to have blue eyes, or be under 5ft 10ins, and if breaking this law meant you could go to prison, or face attack or even death.In Ukraine and elsewhere, gay people don't have to imagine it. They already face the very real prospect of being criminalised for their sexuality. In no fewer that 78 countries around the world homosexual acts are still illegal. In five of them the maximum penalty is death.Until equality is respected everywhere and there is universal acceptance of human rights for all regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity, I will continue to speak my mind. I have the freedom to do so and nobody can take it away from me. Every other gay person in the world deserves the same.21st century appears to be a strictly western Eurpean concept! Edited July 2, 2012 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 wrong section?and on topic: fucking sick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Moved the topic.Also wtf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 My apologies. Wasn't paying attention. Thanks BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuddMckagan Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 So it was the first former soviet country to decriminalise homosexuality, now it might make it illegal again? wtf?These types of things make me facepalm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Broskirose Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Outlawing homosexuality is like outlawing having blonde hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Sounds horribletl;dr :sheepish: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Yeah, sure. Why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Moon Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 pretty gay, ukraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 pretty gay, ukraineReally, Jackie? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 pretty gay, ukraineZing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Fucking Hell, the poor homos just can't catch a break. I personally believe that homosexuality isn't a choice because I can't even see how women would be straight if it was. That being said, the gays have just as much of a right to their existence as the rest of us. Discriminating against a group of people that aren't effecting you in any way is absolutely moronic.Unless it's the French. Seriously, fuck those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Satanisk_Slakt Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 man this is some sick shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 If it were up to me id encourage discrimInation against everyone. Much more easier than banning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projected Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Former Soviet Union's leadership is a fucking joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB. Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) Makes me sad, reading stuff like that.Can't understand why. Edited July 2, 2012 by MBRose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 This isn't going to go anywhere in this day and age. Who cares really. Gay folk have got alot more clout, maybe not enough in some areas to get married or whatshit but they defintely aint no outright doormats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 From listening to Satanisk i thought Europe didn't have a problem with de gay man dem.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunns Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 What funny people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Satanisk_Slakt Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 From listening to Satanisk i thought Europe didn't have a problem with de gay man dem..I'm not really sure what you have in mind now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 From listening to Satanisk i thought Europe didn't have a problem with de gay man dem..Admit it. With your little psuedo-Jamaican patois there, you wanted to say batty boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use Your Delusion 1 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 bunch of retards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) From listening to Satanisk i thought Europe didn't have a problem with de gay man dem..Admit it. With your little psuedo-Jamaican patois there, you wanted to say batty boys.Nah, when i wanna say batty boys i said it...and have done numerous times on this very forum I'm not really sure what you have in mind now? Well i know you ain't from Ukraine but i remember you saying like, people round europe ain't really bothered by homosexuality. Edited July 2, 2012 by sugaraylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Diet Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 lolbalcan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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