Introduce Yourself Here

[Guest Satanisk_Slakt]

I'll actually answer again, since I think some people are misunderstanding what I was saying. I'm not saying that this is a diagnosis that doesn't exist. Obviously it does. I'm saying that it's extremely over diagnosed and when someone comes in claiming that all seven kids in one family has got ADD or ADHD... I mean, you hear it yourself if you think about it. Also, like Projected pointed out, she is now backtracking. It started out with 7 kids having it, then it was 5, then 3. I think the last one was that the two oldest had it. I'll leave it at that. Judge yourself.

[The Linguini Occurrence]

What those kids are doing is watching their older siblings acting like crazy shits and not being disciplined, and they are learning that this is acceptable and appropriate behavior in the household.

I don't think it's fair to judge those particular kids without truly knowing the situation in that household, we can't and shouldn't make assumptions.

However, it is 100% accurate to say that we are all a product of our environment. Kids observe behavior and then copy it, and they get away with as much as they are allowed to get away with. It's not just a coincidence that siblings tend to act alike and have many similarities, until they get older and other environments begin to impact their behavior.

Like others have said, especially in the US it seems, there's been an over diagnosis, and children are being labled and medicated at such young ages. It allows parents to throw up their hands and say "see, wasn't our fault, little Johnny has a condition, has nothing to do with how we're raising him". I've seen some amazing results when parents take the time to focus on their children's particular needs, bring them to specialists who can teach them tips on how to focus and calm themselves down, change their diets, practice a more holistic approach. But that requires a lot of time and commitment on the part of those parents. Giving their kids a pill doesn't. It's an easy fix , but no one ever said being a parent should be easy. If you can't do everything possible for your children, it's irresponsible to have them.

I agree 100% about pills, they are often an easy and lazy alternative to preventing or dealing with physical and mental health issues.

Case in point: After sleeping over at a friend's house, I'm having breakfast with her and her parents. Her Dad cooks up a bunch of greasy, fatty strips of bacon.

She says "Sorry Dad, I can't eat that because I have borderline high cholesterol."

His response? "Don't worry about it, eat it. That's what cholesterol pills are for."

[Guest Broskirose]

lol does it really matter?

Edited July 7, 2012 by Broskirose

[izzygirl]

I completely agree with you, Projected. I will leave this now, because I feel like Chloe probably feel picked on and that wasn't my intention with question that statement. I tried to make general statements. Anyway, it was fun to see the forum males jump into her defence, which was entertaining and I made my first meme ever as well, so I had a good time.

[Projected]

I have so much more to say on the subject. P4A basically summed it up. But I will not do it because obviously Chloe got a little hurt and this whole thread became shit.

I never meant to hurt anybody, just state my opinion on the subject, like I always do.

Back to the introducing shit...

[Patience 4 Axl]

What those kids are doing is watching their older siblings acting like crazy shits and not being disciplined, and they are learning that this is acceptable and appropriate behavior in the household.

I don't think it's fair to judge those particular kids without truly knowing the situation in that household, we can't and shouldn't make assumptions.

However, it is 100% accurate to say that we are all a product of our environment. Kids observe behavior and then copy it, and they get away with as much as they are allowed to get away with. It's not just a coincidence that siblings tend to act alike and have many similarities, until they get older and other environments begin to impact their behavior.

Absolutely. And you're right, I should have worded that differently.

Like others have said, especially in the US it seems, there's been an over diagnosis, and children are being labled and medicated at such young ages. It allows parents to throw up their hands and say "see, wasn't our fault, little Johnny has a condition, has nothing to do with how we're raising him". I've seen some amazing results when parents take the time to focus on their children's particular needs, bring them to specialists who can teach them tips on how to focus and calm themselves down, change their diets, practice a more holistic approach. But that requires a lot of time and commitment on the part of those parents. Giving their kids a pill doesn't. It's an easy fix , but no one ever said being a parent should be easy. If you can't do everything possible for your children, it's irresponsible to have them.

I agree 100% about pills, they are often an easy and lazy alternative to preventing or dealing with physical and mental health issues.

Case in point: After sleeping over at a friend's house, I'm having breakfast with her and her parents. Her Dad cooks up a bunch of greasy, fatty strips of bacon.

She says "Sorry Dad, I can't eat that because I have borderline high cholesterol."

His response? "Don't worry about it, eat it. That's what cholesterol pills are for."

Haha! Funny, sad AND true!

[MB.]

Like others have said, especially in the US it seems, there's been an over diagnosis, and children are being labled and medicated at such young ages. It allows parents to throw up their hands and say "see, wasn't our fault, little Johnny has a condition, has nothing to do with how we're raising him". I've seen some amazing results when parents take the time to focus on their children's particular needs, bring them to specialists who can teach them tips on how to focus and calm themselves down, change their diets, practice a more holistic approach. But that requires a lot of time and commitment on the part of those parents. Giving their kids a pill doesn't. It's an easy fix

I agree totally with this, even tough I have ADD.

I am not pro medicine when a child is young and the brain is still developing. We are still not sure how this affects a child on the long term. But I don't necessarly critize the easy fix, but it should be the last choice and looking closely if it is really the only thing left.

I never used medicine, I did traning, have a diet and try to live a regular life. although very difficult at times. But I am afraid medicine would change who I am.

[Guest Satanisk_Slakt]

I have so much more to say on the subject. P4A basically summed it up. But I will not do it because obviously Chloe got a little hurt and this whole thread became shit.

I never meant to hurt anybody, just state my opinion on the subject, like I always do.

Back to the introducing shit...

Agreed. Look, Chloe, I am honestly sorry if I hurt you. Believe me when I say that it wasn't my intention. Either way, let's go back on topic.

I am S.S.

I'm 24 years old. I live in a Swedish small town called Linköping. I have opinions about everything and I tend to always say it out loud. For good and for bad.

Edited July 7, 2012 by Satanisk_Slakt

[The Linguini Occurrence]

I never used medicine, I did traning, have a diet and try to live a regular life. although very difficult at times. But I am afraid medicine would change who I am.

Same here. I had a severe anxiety issue several years ago, and I was dead set against taking meds for it. I worked hard at conquering it without them, and now it's no longer a problem. I'm not saying meds should never be used by anyone, I'm just saying meds should always be a LAST resort rather than a first one.

[Patience 4 Axl]

I'll actually answer again, since I think some people are misunderstanding what I was saying. I'm not saying that this is a diagnosis that doesn't exist. Obviously it does. I'm saying that it's extremely over diagnosed and when someone comes in claiming that all seven kids in one family has got ADD or ADHD... I mean, you hear it yourself if you think about it. Also, like Projected pointed out, she is now backtracking. It started out with 7 kids having it, then it was 5, then 3. I think the last one was that the two oldest had it. I'll leave it at that. Judge yourself.

I don't think anyone misunderstood SS. You've always been brutally honest, and people either appreciate that or they don't. I happen to like it! It wasn't so much what you said, but who you said it to it seems. The poster Chloe isn't some wilting flower, she can tell people to shut up and fuck off, so she can obviously stick up for herself. There's no doubt the condition exists, but factors such as medication, conditioning, discipline, diet and especially parenting are a very important part of that as well. You made valid points, and a majority of people agreed in theory at least.

[shades]

How does a "introduce yourself here" thread turn into a lecture on how best to raise your children?

seriously.

I'm shades from stfu already

[Projected]

I'll actually answer again, since I think some people are misunderstanding what I was saying. I'm not saying that this is a diagnosis that doesn't exist. Obviously it does. I'm saying that it's extremely over diagnosed and when someone comes in claiming that all seven kids in one family has got ADD or ADHD... I mean, you hear it yourself if you think about it. Also, like Projected pointed out, she is now backtracking. It started out with 7 kids having it, then it was 5, then 3. I think the last one was that the two oldest had it. I'll leave it at that. Judge yourself.

I don't think anyone misunderstood SS. You've always been brutally honest, and people either appreciate that or they don't. I happen to like it! It wasn't so much what you said, but who you said it to it seems. The poster Chloe isn't some wilting flower, she can tell people to shut up and fuck off, so she can obviously stick up for herself. There's no doubt the condition exists, but factors such as medication, conditioning, discipline, diet and especially parenting are a very important part of that as well. You made valid points, and a majority of people agreed in theory at least.

I have started a separate thread on the subject to stop derailing this one.

One thing I do want to add that the old me (before my big comeback) would've totally destroyed Chloe in this situation Jeez, I'm growing up. (it sucks though).

[Patience 4 Axl]

Like others have said, especially in the US it seems, there's been an over diagnosis, and children are being labled and medicated at such young ages. It allows parents to throw up their hands and say "see, wasn't our fault, little Johnny has a condition, has nothing to do with how we're raising him". I've seen some amazing results when parents take the time to focus on their children's particular needs, bring them to specialists who can teach them tips on how to focus and calm themselves down, change their diets, practice a more holistic approach. But that requires a lot of time and commitment on the part of those parents. Giving their kids a pill doesn't. It's an easy fix

I agree totally with this, even tough I have ADD.

I am not pro medicine when a child is young and the brain is still developing. We are still not sure how this affects a child on the long term. But I don't necessarly critize the easy fix, but it should be the last choice and looking closely if it is really the only thing left.

I never used medicine, I did traning, have a diet and try to live a regular life. although very difficult at times. But I am afraid medicine would change who I am.

I agree, that's the main point. I have a friend whose doctor recommended meds for her 8 year old daughter, after only one visit. After a week she saw a big difference in her personality, seemed lethargic, was quiet but looked unhappy, etc. She was very uncomfortable with the change, it didn't feel like her daughter anymore. She decided to do some research, took her to a school that specializes in teaching the children and training parents with these conditions, a gluton free diet, exercise, etc., with amazing results. I just personally feel all other options should be exhausted before medication is even considered.

edit: oops my bad Pro, didn't see your above post -

Edited July 7, 2012 by Patience 4 Axl

[Projected]

[Patience 4 Axl]

I'm shades from stfu already

I'm not familiar with that area. Where exactly is that?

[shades]

I'm shades from stfu already

I'm not familiar with that area. Where exactly is that?

it's on Lonely Street, right next to the Heartbreak Hotel, you know where thats at right?

[Haters Gonna Hate]

Hi, I am from Connecticut.

Me too, and I spend a fair amount of time in Toronto.

I'm surprised how many of us are from Connecticut, I didn't think there would be so many

I know kind of weird

[__Stacey__]

Hi, I'm Stacey and I'm from Manchester. Hoping to study History and/or Classical Civilisations at University

Edited July 7, 2012 by __Stacey__

[PappyTron]

Hi, I'm Stacey and I'm from Manchester. Hoping to study History and/or Classical Civilisations at University

Alright our kid? Yeah, fookin' mad for it.

[Dazey]

Hi, I'm Stacey and I'm from Manchester. Hoping to study History and/or Classical Civilisations at University

Alright our kid?

if you were a Catholic...........

Also it's r' kid! Get it right you southern ponce!

Edited July 7, 2012 by Dazey

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[Johnny Drama]

Please allow me to introduce myself

I'm a man of wealth and taste

I've been around for a long, long year

Stole many a mans soul and faith

And I was round when jesus christ

Had his moment of doubt and pain

Made damn sure that pilate

Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you

Hope you guess my name

But what's puzzling you

Is the nature of my game

I stuck around st. petersburg

When I saw it was a time for a change

Killed the czar and his ministers

Anastasia screamed in vain

I rode a tank

Held a generals rank

When the blitzkrieg raged

And the bodies stank

Pleased to meet you

Hope you guess my name, oh yeah

Ah, what's puzzling you

Is the nature of my game, oh yeah

I watched with glee

While your kings and queens

Fought for ten decades

For the gods they made

I shouted out,

Who killed the kennedys?

When after all

It was you and me

Let me please introduce myself

I'm a man of wealth and taste

And I laid traps for troubadours

Who get killed before they reached bombay

Pleased to meet you

Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah

But what's puzzling you

Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby

Pleased to meet you

Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah

But what's confusing you

Is just the nature of my game

Just as every cop is a criminal

And all the sinners saints

As heads is tails

Just call me lucifer

Cause I'm in need of some restraint

So if you meet me

Have some courtesy

Have some sympathy, and some taste

Use all your well-learned politesse

Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah

Pleased to meet you

Hope you guessed my name, um yeah

But what's puzzling you

Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down

Woo, who

Oh yeah, get on down

Oh yeah

Oh yeah!

Tell me baby, what's my name

Tell me honey, can ya guess my name

Tell me baby, what's my name

I tell you one time, you're to blame

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[Lithium]

hah. gay

[Georgy Zhukov]

Hi, I am from Connecticut.

Me too, and I spend a fair amount of time in Toronto.

I'm surprised how many of us are from Connecticut, I didn't think there would be so many

I know kind of weird

We should all get together sometime. Have a BBQ. See a movie. Head to a bar.

I probably won't show up though.

[The Real McCoy]

Soon to be 27 year old radio DJ.