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2011/12 Axl Rose RASP Awards (UPDATED 1st POST)


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Since we've been living pretty much in a new Axl "Mickey Mouse" Rose era since then end of the 2010 tour, I thought it'd be nice to point out the exceptions to this, where Axl sang his heart out along with some good ol'fashioned rasp. :shades:

So I'll start with a few picks of great raspy performances....mostly from the outstanding Electric Factory show in Philly back in February 27th.

Sorry (the only one with rasp from 11/12 I've heard so far) - Philly Feb 12

Better - Philly Feb 12

Rocket Queen - Philly Feb 12

Why the hell can't Axl sing like this all the time (like in 2010)!? :shrugs:

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If you can find Madagascar from Orlando 2011, and Scraped from Ottawa 2010, they should be on your list.

Both performances were vintage old school sounding Axl, and Scraped was by far better than any youtube video I've seen out there. I haven't looked for videos of these performances specifically, so I don't know if any are available, but I was at the shows and hope they exist.

Cheers

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Civil war from LA was poor compared to THIS version, this is THE version of 2011-2012 thus far, from Denver, RASP the whole way through all the chorus parts:

Pretty much 2010 vocals!!!

Maddie from the 2nd 02 is very good as well.

IMO Denver Civil War, Hellfest Paradise City and Estranged and RQ from Philly are the 4 main contenders.

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Civil war from LA was poor compared to THIS version, this is THE version of 2011-2012 thus far, from Denver, RASP the whole way through all the chorus parts:

Pretty much 2010 vocals!!!

Maddie from the 2nd 02 is very good as well.

IMO Denver Civil War, Hellfest Paradise City and Estranged and RQ from Philly are the 4 main contenders.

Fantastic performance, must have missed this one, thanks!!

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Civil War from Philly was pretty boss too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=balYqsfnGWI

That show, in my totally unbiased opinion (minus my front-row-center-at-my-first-gnr-show-ness), was one of the best of the last couple years, especially the second half. Axl clicked in right around Live and Let Die and never looked back. CW was probably the pinnacle. YCBM was as good as I've ever heard it too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkjX2R9q1iU

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Fantastic performance, must have missed this one, thanks!!

Honestly the WHOLE of the Denver show is superb, IMO its probably as good as the Philly show, some songs are better at Philly and some were better at Denver. YCBM is actually decent at Denver and pretty raspy bar the 2nd verse at times (its also a very strong fresh sounding rasp, if that makes sense!) Its worthwhile looking at some of these videos:

Also This I love is EPIC, sounds EXACTLY like it does in 2010, here it is along with SOD which is also very good!

Give the whole lot a watch, its every bit as good as Philly was overall IMO.

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When Axl was sounding as good as he did in the Civil War clip almost every night back in 2010 I was checking the update threads almost every day and was excited to hear updated videos. Now that hes tapered off a bit I haven't been keeping track even half as much as I did. And the setlist was pretty much the same back then so it's not that I'm just bored with it now, the voice makes ALL the difference. When he's on, I'm as into this band as much as ever, but if it sounds like he's phoning it in it's just painful to watch and listen to. Not even that it sounds that bad, it's just disappointing knowing that he's the best vocalist alive in my opinion and I don't know how many more performances were gonna get out of him so I just want them all the be ace.

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The USA tour IMO Axl's voice was much better than Now. Orlando arena show he sounded great, I was w/ friends that weren't huge GnR fans and had my son w/ me. All said Axl sounded just like he does on the albums and were very impressed. IMO he was good and had his subpar moments but I noticed more because I had seen them a few times I guess. honestly this Euro tour I feel Axl's voice has gotten worse as the has tour progressed. Not sure what the deal is, makes u hope if there is a new album in the works that the vocals are already recorded.

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The USA tour IMO Axl's voice was much better than Now. Orlando arena show he sounded great, I was w/ friends that weren't huge GnR fans and had my son w/ me. All said Axl sounded just like he does on the albums and were very impressed. IMO he was good and had his subpar moments but I noticed more because I had seen them a few times I guess. honestly this Euro tour I feel Axl's voice has gotten worse as the has tour progressed. Not sure what the deal is, makes u hope if there is a new album in the works that the vocals are already recorded.

The scary thing is that according to Baz he's already recorded 'insane, highest ever, screaming' vocals for The General years ago and now he's gotta pull that shit off in his mid 50s+.

This thread gives me hope that all he's doing now is saving his voice for when it counts i.e. new album and hopefully some proper promotion etc.

The funny thing is the reviews for the US tour were fantastic and all said how amazing his voice was so if he can get away with singing clean falsetto with everyone but the hardcore nutters like us then why shouldn't he? The reality is if he continues singing as he is now he could likely carry on well into his 60s wheras if he carried on as he was in 2010 he'd be lucky to make 55 without losing a whole shitload of range.

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Fantastic performance, must have missed this one, thanks!!

Honestly the WHOLE of the Denver show is superb, IMO its probably as good as the Philly show, some songs are better at Philly and some were better at Denver. YCBM is actually decent at Denver and pretty raspy bar the 2nd verse at times (its also a very strong fresh sounding rasp, if that makes sense!) Its worthwhile looking at some of these videos:

Also This I love is EPIC, sounds EXACTLY like it does in 2010, here it is along with SOD which is also very good!

Give the whole lot a watch, its every bit as good as Philly was overall IMO.

Thanks mate, agreed, Denver is on a par with Philly.

I tend to follow the shows and listen to the performances on youtube but as mentioned missed this one. Fixed now as i spent an hour last night listening to the songs you linked and a few others.

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The USA tour IMO Axl's voice was much better than Now. Orlando arena show he sounded great, I was w/ friends that weren't huge GnR fans and had my son w/ me. All said Axl sounded just like he does on the albums and were very impressed. IMO he was good and had his subpar moments but I noticed more because I had seen them a few times I guess. honestly this Euro tour I feel Axl's voice has gotten worse as the has tour progressed. Not sure what the deal is, makes u hope if there is a new album in the works that the vocals are already recorded.

The scary thing is that according to Baz he's already recorded 'insane, highest ever, screaming' vocals for The General years ago and now he's gotta pull that shit off in his mid 50s+.

This thread gives me hope that all he's doing now is saving his voice for when it counts i.e. new album and hopefully some proper promotion etc.

The funny thing is the reviews for the US tour were fantastic and all said how amazing his voice was so if he can get away with singing clean falsetto with everyone but the hardcore nutters like us then why shouldn't he? The reality is if he continues singing as he is now he could likely carry on well into his 60s wheras if he carried on as he was in 2010 he'd be lucky to make 55 without losing a whole shitload of range.

That's the hope I have, he's saving his voice. Personally I think that is wishful thinking though. I guess we'll see what happens

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The USA tour IMO Axl's voice was much better than Now. Orlando arena show he sounded great, I was w/ friends that weren't huge GnR fans and had my son w/ me. All said Axl sounded just like he does on the albums and were very impressed. IMO he was good and had his subpar moments but I noticed more because I had seen them a few times I guess. honestly this Euro tour I feel Axl's voice has gotten worse as the has tour progressed. Not sure what the deal is, makes u hope if there is a new album in the works that the vocals are already recorded.

The scary thing is that according to Baz he's already recorded 'insane, highest ever, screaming' vocals for The General years ago and now he's gotta pull that shit off in his mid 50s+.

This thread gives me hope that all he's doing now is saving his voice for when it counts i.e. new album and hopefully some proper promotion etc.

The funny thing is the reviews for the US tour were fantastic and all said how amazing his voice was so if he can get away with singing clean falsetto with everyone but the hardcore nutters like us then why shouldn't he? The reality is if he continues singing as he is now he could likely carry on well into his 60s wheras if he carried on as he was in 2010 he'd be lucky to make 55 without losing a whole shitload of range.

That's the hope I have, he's saving his voice. Personally I think that is wishful thinking though. I guess we'll see what happens

Axl set the bar incredibly high during 2010, his voice was fantastic and showed why he was and remains the grestest frontman.

I'm not sure it is axl saving his voice or just having too much fun after shows :) and that may be impacting his vocals. We've all drunk before and know the strain it has on ones vocal chords the days after. I'm not sure tbh as he was partying after the shows in 2010...

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And one mustn't forget that Axl suffered from bronchitis in 2011 before the RIR 11 disaster... And from what I understand the disease is far from a simple cold - it can last and even make permanent damage... :(

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I think he's holding back.But yeah checking out some 2010 paradise city vids ,the power in the chorus and the verses is great.Like that Hellfest vid has rasp but man he sounded much more powerful in 2010.In my opinion he's doing what he has to in order to give great 3 hour concerts filled with the songs people love and came to hear without blowing out his voice,after all his signature sound has to be much more damaging to vocal chords then 99 percent of other vocalists out there,like it can't be easy to perform some of these vocals , and what would happen if he lost that sound altogether?I guess we woudn't have anything to criticize anymore.

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Haha there is a reason I've been mentioning that Civil War performance in every single thread that is like this one! I'm glad that so many people have now seen just how mental a version it is, I mean there is ZERO clean vocals at all, even in te 2nd chorus where he is clean in videos such as Philly, etc.

I'd say his rasp at times in that Civil War video is even more potent than in 2010, especially in the first chorus. As for Hellfest, I think he sounds a little more ragged, I suppose thats just a consequence of age slowly doing the 'damage' so to speak. Still that Hellfest PC came out of nowhere didn't it!

I'd bet that Civil War is up there with one of the best ever live versions, the great thing about nowdays is his rasp has such depth and power. Its lost that raw edge, but he's gained that depth and chest power. Axl would never been able to pull off a note like he did at the end of the 1st chorus in the old days

PS, this is the whole thing from another angle:

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Cool thread, dude.

Sorry from Philly: there's no rasp on the first bridge at all, it's pure clean falsetto. That is one thing that really doesn't work without rasp..'You've got all the answers...' and 'Nobody owes you..'. It just sounds so weak when he sings it clean. So sorry but Sorry doesn't cut it. It doesn't come close to e.g. Tonronto, Arnheim, London, Lille 2010.

Now Better from Philly, this is cool. He was obviously really happy that night and he's grinning from ear to ear from the start of Better. Maybe it was being accepted back and having the weight of guilt from the 2002 debacle finally lifted. I think Better actually works really well when he sings it clean and effortlessly like he does here, moreso than when he's forcing rasp the whole time. It actually fits the song well where it doesn't imo on the high parts of Sorry, TIL and Madagascar. It also makes the payoff of the screaming section better. Also, when he does sing clean and is in a good mood he's more likely to sing the 'na na na na' part which he rarely did in 2010 and also goes high for 'afraid to know themselves'. During 2010 he'd often skip some random high notes because rasping all the time makes it harder to hit them that with his clean falsetto.

You missed out SOD from Philly. One of the best performances ever imo. Once again, happy and smiling and, adding to my clean voice/happy/high note argument, he goes for the outro lyrics for maybe the first time ever! Parts of this are so good it's really close to the studio version. Actually, that is just the best outro to SoD ever and I actually prefer the mix of clean and rasp. JUST ONE MORE FAILURE!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrBndJEGev8&feature=fvwrel

I actually find the full rasp performances of SoD from 2010 to much. The rasp can get grating after a while and over the course of a whole show I kinda prefer it when he uses it in a controlled way as he does perfectly here. There's also a big difference between what people understandably call the 'mickey' voice (which I would classify as extremely weak-sounding falsetto on songs like OTGM and YCMB that demand rasp) and the powerful, perfectly pichted and controlled falsetto with peppered rasp that he uses here.

Civil War LA Forum: lots of rasp until the 2nd chorus where he goes fully clean and runs left to right. Why are there complete berks posting in this thread that he's lost it when e can clearly turn it on and off at will?

Sidenote: I like DJ but it makes me chuckle that he has to look at his fingers and concentrate really hard to play Robin's SoD solo (which he plays more accurately than Robin ever did tbf) whilst Ron, in immense pain, has his eyes close whilst he plays Estranged, Shacklers, November etc

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