The James Bond Thread: RIP Robbie Coltrane

[DieselDaisy]

 

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 Sources say the Beverly Hills-based company is accruing around $1 million in interest a month on the money it borrowed to make No Time to Die, which it won't be able to recoup until the movie opens in theaters.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/behind-mgms-apple-overture-how-much-is-a-bond-movie-worth

 

[James Bond]

I really do wish EON could perform some type of management buyout from the MGM share of Bond, but MGM's money woes are nothing new and thus they cling to that bit of Bond as hard as they can. One thing is for certain - don't mess with Barbara Broccoli.

[Graeme]

On 11/13/2020 at 1:16 AM, YouCouldBeMine_2029 said:

Who Is Your Favorite Badass Bond Villain?

For me it has to be Max Zorin. That is a Charachter that would Still very much Resonate today.

The Very Last 10 Seconds of Max Zorin is Classic Christopher Walken Hahaha

Franz Sánchez from Licence to Kill was a really interesting character. A vicious, horrible bastard, but also someone with a weird moral code who could be urbane and charismatic. Robert Davi did a great job playing him.

[James Bond]

 

Believe it or not, this isn't an outtake from the film. The dish has collapsed in real life!

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21 hours ago, James Bond said:

 

Believe it or not, this isn't an outtake from the film. The dish has collapsed in real life!

seems connery's spirit had unfinished business with SPECTRE taken care of before he left us

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I'm rewatching some of my favorite bond movies. damn, these were well crafted flicks.

I don't bother with any movie post goldeneye though, it's just not my cup of tea. Movies became too fast and chaotic after that, I prefer slower movies.

I read an interesting thing about "a view to a kill" years ago. that moore only has 7 minutes screentime in that movie. Is that true? from watching it I can't remember that being the case. 

 

[DieselDaisy]

1 hour ago, action said:

I'm rewatching some of my favorite bond movies. damn, these were well crafted flicks.

I don't bother with any movie post goldeneye though, it's just not my cup of tea. Movies became too fast and chaotic after that, I prefer slower movies.

I read an interesting thing about "a view to a kill" years ago. that moore only has 7 minutes screentime in that movie. Is that true? from watching it I can't remember that being the case. 

 

I think it must be a well trodden joke about how Moore's stunt double should receive top billing.

Watch Casino Royale. It is basically what Goldeneye was for the mid '90s, sleek, sexy, recapturing the essence of the franchise. The last act is also the closest we came to Fleming since OHMSS.

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1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

Watch Casino Royale. It is basically what Goldeneye was for the mid '90s, sleek, sexy, recapturing the essence of the franchise. The last act is also the closest we came to Fleming since OHMSS.

I keep having people encouraging me to watch casino royale.

I would need to break a principle, solid as marble, of not watching movies made after 2001 (the year the world officially went mad).

 

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, action said:

I keep having people encouraging me to watch casino royale.

I would need to break a principle, solid as marble, of not watching movies made after 2001 (the year the world officially went mad).

 

If you are avoiding the gormless actioner films, you would be advised to follow your own advice and ditch the post Goldeneye films, however Casino Royale is the exception - especially its last act.

Skyfall is good also but very actioney. 

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13 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

If you are avoiding the gormless actioner films, you would be advised to follow your own advice and ditch the post Goldeneye films, however Casino Royale is the exception - especially its last act.

Skyfall is good also but very actioney. 

I heard that these movies are sequels or something?

[DieselDaisy]

2 minutes ago, action said:

I heard that these movies are sequels or something?

Quantum of Solace is a sequel to Casino Royale. Skyfall is a stand alone. Spectre is sort of a sequel to all three (it is complicated and an utter mess if truth be told).

[rocknroll41]

5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Quantum of Solace is a sequel to Casino Royale. Skyfall is a stand alone. Spectre is sort of a sequel to all three (it is complicated and an utter mess if truth be told).

Yeah and the new one is a sequel to Spectre, just to add to the confusion.

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2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Quantum of Solace is a sequel to Casino Royale. Skyfall is a stand alone. Spectre is sort of a sequel to all three (it is complicated and an utter mess if truth be told).

a bond movie needs no more than a prologue, a beginning, a middle and an ending.

a memorable title song, sexy girls, a memorable villain, curious transportation means, gadgets, some cultural trivia bits (usually involving booze) and a bit of gentleman banter (such as the bar scene in dr no, where they're making fun of that bird with the camera).

sequels, reboots, .... ugh what a load of bollox.

 

[rocknroll41]

Just now, action said:

a bond movie needs no more than a prologue, a beginning, a middle and an ending.

a memorable title song, sexy girls, a memorable villain, curious transportation means, gadgets, some cultural trivia bits (usually involving booze) and a bit of gentleman banter (such as the bar scene in dr no, where they're making fun of that bird with the camera).

sequels, reboots, .... ugh what a load of bollox.

 

I agree that the bond franchise shouldn’t be over-complicated the way it has been with recent films.

in other news: I have a feeling MGM is gonna succumb to Apple’s deal and sell the movie to them for $400mil, like Apple proposed.

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in a sense, the goldeneye videogame was the ultimate bond experience. it not only contained scenery from goldeneye (in a remarkable accurate way too), but also the moonraker level, the temple from the spy who loved me,...

there were characters like mayday, oddjob, the music was perfect, the atmosphere, the file you needed to read before each mission.... it is as far as I'm concerned the best bond product ever made, even better than the movies

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even goldeneye (the movie) already had that awkward "self-aware" moment where valentin was making those jokes like he was adressing the audience watching, in a desperate attempt to involve the audience in the joke which is so common in modern cinema, that I almost quit right there and then.

I mean these scenes that seem blatantly tailor made to induce laughter in a cinema hall. they're everywhere these days, but there was a time where movies didn't take the viewer for a fool.

it was not a funny moment (unlike say moore's effortless comedy), it was forced and a jump the shark moment.

and how can I forget the "woke" moment where M took poor bond for a sexist, a dinosaur. seems 1995 was the birth of woke too, so maybe I shouldn't watch movies made after 1995. I certainly don't recall any great movies after that!

Edited December 27, 2020 by action

[DieselDaisy]

28 minutes ago, action said:

even goldeneye (the movie) already had that awkward "self-aware" moment where valentin was making those jokes like he was adressing the audience watching, in a desperate attempt to involve the audience in the joke which is so common in modern cinema, that I almost quit right there and then.

I mean these scenes that seem blatantly tailor made to induce laughter in a cinema hall. they're everywhere these days, but there was a time where movies didn't take the viewer for a fool.

it was not a funny moment (unlike say moore's effortless comedy), it was forced and a jump the shark moment.

and how can I forget the "woke" moment where M took poor bond for a sexist, a dinosaur. seems 1995 was the birth of woke too, so maybe I shouldn't watch movies made after 1995. I certainly don't recall any great movies after that!

Yes, a trace of woke, Bond being a ''sexist dinosaur'', but it is also about Bond/MI6's role in a new world devoid of the Soviet Union, which is a real historic event that the series couldn't ignore. 

Stick to Octopussy,

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/9395e5fa-5918-4b3a-8c02-5c534ac954da

Edited December 27, 2020 by DieselDaisy

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15 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Yes, a trace of woke, Bond being a ''sexist dinosaur'', but it is also about Bond/MI6's role in a new world devoid of the Soviet Union, which is a real historic event that the series couldn't ignore. 

Stick to Octopussy,

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/9395e5fa-5918-4b3a-8c02-5c534ac954da

absolutely!

but I find it hard to imagine a scene like that happening in the real world, in the real MI6. on such a high level, there is no room for futile woke moments. it is all about professionalism, and the smallest mistake can have huge consequences. I'm sure, "bringing woke mentality in MI6" wasn't really a priority in 1995, and I'm not even sure it seeped in there yet as we speak. that world is like the very last to adapt to silly changes in mentality of the common folk.

but, it's a movie playing in a cinema, playing for an audience which they increasingly take for fools, and that's the reason we got that.

[Dazey]

2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Yes, a trace of woke, Bond being a ''sexist dinosaur'', but it is also about Bond/MI6's role in a new world devoid of the Soviet Union, which is a real historic event that the series couldn't ignore. 

Stick to Octopussy,

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/9395e5fa-5918-4b3a-8c02-5c534ac954da

Living Daylights is my favourite Bond film. Would love to have seen Dalton stay in the role and make a couple more films. 

[James Bond]

4 hours ago, action said:

I keep having people encouraging me to watch casino royale.

I would need to break a principle, solid as marble, of not watching movies made after 2001 (the year the world officially went mad).

 

What a strange and narrow minded view, but to each their own. You're missing out on the excellence of Casino Royale (objectively up there with the best of OHMSS, Connery, and Dalton) and Skyfall (the biggest crowd pleaser of a Bond since the heyday - lots of fun).

[DieselDaisy]

3 hours ago, action said:

absolutely!

but I find it hard to imagine a scene like that happening in the real world, in the real MI6. on such a high level, there is no room for futile woke moments. it is all about professionalism, and the smallest mistake can have huge consequences. I'm sure, "bringing woke mentality in MI6" wasn't really a priority in 1995, and I'm not even sure it seeped in there yet as we speak. that world is like the very last to adapt to silly changes in mentality of the common folk.

but, it's a movie playing in a cinema, playing for an audience which they increasingly take for fools, and that's the reason we got that.

Bond, even in his grittier guise, has always been a very comic booky version of the British Secret Service. The Harry Palmer films or Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy offer a more realistic version.

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4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Bond, even in his grittier guise, has always been a very comic booky version of the British Secret Service. The Harry Palmer films or Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy offer a more realistic version.

I was always fine with the comic aspects (until it became too audience oriented starting with goldeneye).

but when the movies became vehicles for silly woke propaganda (and product placement, remember the perrier scene?) I think I didn't bother anymore. From there on it progressively went worse with an overt focus on shooting (the brosnan movies) and making things too complicated for the sake of it (the craig movies).

perhaps the craig movies are good movies, but seeing how these are dragged over sequels I think they went too far. I have a hard time finishing a bond movie in one sittings, as it is (usually taking a small break halfway through), let alone finishing two movies. It is also mentioned here, how it all seems a bit confusing and that's the last that I need to experience for entertainment.

But I don't feel I'm missing out: there's still a good dozen of movies that are perfect and which provide me with all the bond I need.

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I think Moore sums up my feelings pretty well, on where this series lost it's footing:

Roger Moore, who played Bond in earlier films, said: "I thought it just went too far – and that's from me, the first Bond in space! Invisible cars and dodgy CGI footage? Please!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Another_Day

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this is my personal top 5 of bond movies, as of today:

1. Dr no

2. moonraker

3. from russia with love

4. live and let die

5. you only live twice

This list is entirely based on my earliest experiences with the bond franchise from a very young age. I had all these movies on VHS tapes, taped from television and I regularily watched them. Moonraker is very high, because it had such an immense impact on me as a kid (when I wasn't a spoiled cynic yet). I found the concept of bond going to space and jaws becoming the good guy strokes of utter genious. The scene in venice with the poison gas is also etched in my memory as bloody awesome, and then theres the opening sequences of bond fighting jaws when falling out of a plane. My favorite moore movie.

As for dr no, it's just pure awesomeness. I liked the island scenes with the "underneath the mango tree" song, the scene where bond had to operate a nuclear instrument board to keep his disguise (as a kid I already understood how difficult and important this part was), the supposed dragon on the island etc. This movie had the best tone, it's bright colourfull and uplifting.

from russia with love had the briefcase and the train scenes which also rank among the defining moments of the franchise (does casino royale have similar moments?)

live and let die is just filthy and creepy with the snakes and skulls, and haunting theme song by mcartney.

you only live twice, I vividly remember as a pleasant experience and then there was the iconic volcano scene. My favorite of the mandatory "end game shootout" scenes which I could otherwise easily do without.

I didn't see goldfinger as a kid enough to develop a particular fondness for it, but I reckognise it as one of the absolute best bond movies along with the spy who loved me.

[Basic_GnR_Fan]

I actually just saw Highlander for the first time recently (had only seen clips, not the entire thing). I loved Connery in this. I had a good laugh when his character asks what Haggis is, and after learning what it is says it sounds disgusting.  

Edited January 5, 2021 by Basic_GnR_Fan