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3 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

That's a trait that I wish more former Bond actors had, so many of them seem almost ashamed or embarrassed they took the role, they try to distance themselves from it as far as possible. I get that with Connery there was a lot of animosity between Sean and Cubby, but besides that there's been no major falling outs. So why do they all try to distance themselves so far from the franchise?

Two reasons. Firstly, Bond isn't exactly seen as serious thespian material, and secondly they're afraid of being typecast. 

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9 hours ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

It is a sensitive issue for Brosnan too because was tossed away like some used condom. A role he wanted to get since 1985. Only to have it taken away from him after four films.

Brosnan got the short end of the stick all around. He’s too good for the shit films he had (Goldeneye aside of course). 

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35 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Yeah I feel bad for the guy. GoldenEye was such a promising start, and then idk wtf happened after that!

By this point of the series they were out of Fleming material (Casino Royale rights were still unattainable) and the writing suffered as a result. Tomorrow Never Dies is probably the second best Brosnan film to me, The World Is Not Enough would be better but the plot never made sense to me. It was perfected in Skyfall. 

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4 minutes ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

By this point of the series they were out of Fleming material (Casino Royale rights were still unattainable) and the writing suffered as a result. Tomorrow Never Dies is probably the second best Brosnan film to me, The World Is Not Enough would be better but the plot never made sense to me. It was perfected in Skyfall. 

Makes sense. It’s so strange how the adaptation from books to films in this franchise wasn’t linear. Oh well.

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1 minute ago, rocknroll41 said:

Makes sense. It’s so strange how the adaptation from books to films in this franchise wasn’t linear. Oh well.

Yeah, it is complicated. Now that EON has all the rights to the Fleming books including Thunderball they can actually adapt all the books in linear order. 

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4 minutes ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

Yeah, it is complicated. Now that EON has all the rights to the Fleming books including Thunderball they can actually adapt all the books in linear order. 

Yeah but is there even anything left to adapt, at this point? Aside from all the non-flemming stuff that was written later on, that is.

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1 minute ago, rocknroll41 said:

So start over and remake everything? That’d piss off a lot of people, but these days anything is possible, I guess.

They can do whatever they want for all I care. I don't see this series continuing like this after Craig's exist. 

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3 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

Brosnan got the short end of the stick all around. He’s too good for the shit films he had (Goldeneye aside of course). 

MGM got too involved after the success of GoldenEye. Poor Pierce. That said, it's absolutely hilarious to see him bust a gut laughing when talking about Die Another Day's CGI surfing scene in that Everything or Nothing documentary.

Dalton seems fond of Bond and is usually happy to answer questions. He defends Licence To Kill quite a bit. Otherwise, he's usually so wrapped up in his current projects and keeps a low profile that he's never as open as Lazenby or Sir Roger.

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7 hours ago, downzy said:

Movie theatres shutting down or about to be shut down.

Maybe MGM was just ahead of the curve on this one. 

The Bond fans got off easy compared to the Fast & Furious fans who need to wait another year.

But all joking aside, good on EON and Universal/MGM for spotting the risk way ahead of time. It allowed them to snag a very lucrative weekend in November too (assuming that still goes ahead).

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3 minutes ago, James Bond said:

But all joking aside, good on EON and Universal/MGM for spotting the risk way ahead of time. It allowed them to snag a very lucrative weekend in November too (assuming that still goes ahead).

Yeah. They made the right call. So maybe the "Fuck MGM" should be retracted.

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10 hours ago, downzy said:

Movie theatres shutting down or about to be shut down.

Maybe MGM was just ahead of the curve on this one. 

I'll admit in hindsight, they played this one right.

3 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Yeah. They made the right call. So maybe the "Fuck MGM" should be retracted.

Nah. If you go back through this thread you'll see there's been plenty of things over the last decade to justify our frustration with MGM. It's sort of become a running joke in this thread that just went dormant for a while. 

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What Powerage5 said. It's been a running joke in this thread for years. I mean, MGM has been a problem for Bond since the Brosnan era, and so far Casino Royale is the only Craig film to keep its original release date. We have plenty of reasons to be bitter. :lol:

Seriously though, smart move on EON'S part. MGM was indeed (mostly) responsible for the QOS, Skyfall, and SPECTRE delays though.

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30 minutes ago, AxlsMainMan said:

Recently re-watched the Dalton and Brosnan flicks with my Pops. I had mistakenly remembered Denise Richards being in Die Another Day. Had she been, TWINE would've perhaps been almost as tight as GoldenEye. 

MGM just spoke too loudly during the Brosnan era. TWINE should have been his OHMSS but it was the studio's insistence that they add more action and cast a popular American actress. Thus his ever weakening run of TND, TWINE, and DAD all suffer from many of the same issues. Even DAD starts off very promising but quickly goes downhill.

When they signed with Sony for CR, Sony was happy to overrule MGM and give the Broccoli's more creative freedom.

The Brosnan era was a direct response to LTK tanking at the box office. MGM was scared to take any formula breaking chances. A shame for Pierce, really. He was a better Bond than his films.

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1 hour ago, James Bond said:

MGM just spoke too loudly during the Brosnan era. TWINE should have been his OHMSS but it was the studio's insistence that they add more action and cast a popular American actress. Thus his ever weakening run of TND, TWINE, and DAD all suffer from many of the same issues. Even DAD starts off very promising but quickly goes downhill.

When they signed with Sony for CR, Sony was happy to overrule MGM and give the Broccoli's more creative freedom.

The Brosnan era was a direct response to LTK tanking at the box office. MGM was scared to take any formula breaking chances. A shame for Pierce, really. He was a better Bond than his films.

I really liked Brosnan in the role but other than Goldeneye his films were unwatchable. Real shame because Goldeneye is really great. I kinda wish they'd kept Dalton on for a couple more movies. He was awesome as Bond and The Living Daylights is one of my all time favourite Bond movies.

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2 hours ago, AxlsMainMan said:

Recently re-watched the Dalton and Brosnan flicks with my Pops. I had mistakenly remembered Denise Richards being in Die Another Day. Had she been, TWINE would've perhaps been almost as tight as GoldenEye. 

Could not agree more about TWINE. Other than OHMSS I feel it's the most underrated movie in the franchise (off the top of my head), even with her in it. Sophie Marceau is that good. 

Plus that PTS...god damn! 

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1 hour ago, Dazey said:

I really liked Brosnan in the role but other than Goldeneye his films were unwatchable. Real shame because Goldeneye is really great. I kinda wish they'd kept Dalton on for a couple more movies. He was awesome as Bond and The Living Daylights is one of my all time favourite Bond movies.

I couldn't agree more about The Living Daylights. I suppose the plot is a little convoluted but it's executed well. Always makes my top rankings. Dalton hit the ground running, the action is top notch, it's got an all around good cast, and Barry's score is sublime.

I always thought it was mutually agreed that Dalton would step down from the role after feeling it had been too long, but according to the book Some Kind Of Hero it was indeed the studio pushing the Broccoli's to go in a different direction. Dalton being the class act that he is chose to step down rather than get in the way of the studio meddling. He remained on excellent terms with the Broccoli family and they adored him as Bond.

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TWINE is a really frustrating one for me. It did a lot of things well - good plot, exciting locations, formidable villains, an incredible PTS and a good title song...it really could’ve been one of the greats. But it just missed the mark on a few too many things - Denise Richards was horribly miscast, the dialogue is pretty cringey at times, the twist is unsuprising. It’s not enough to completely ruin the film for me, but it’s certainly enough to keep it out of my top 10. 
 

the funny thing about Brosnan’s tenure to me is, despite the fact that I consider DAD to be the worst Bond film by a pretty large margin, TND is the one I just can’t bring myself to ever watch. DAD at least has a great first act (sans the title sequence), and after that the train wreck is still fun to watch. TND is just unbelievably average across the board. It’s not that anything in it is terrible (Except maybe Carver - I consider Evil Steve Jobs the worst villain in the franchise), but it just bores me to tears. 

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52 minutes ago, Powerage5 said:

TWINE is a really frustrating one for me. It did a lot of things well - good plot, exciting locations, formidable villains, an incredible PTS and a good title song...it really could’ve been one of the greats. But it just missed the mark on a few too many things - Denise Richards was horribly miscast, the dialogue is pretty cringey at times, the twist is unsuprising. It’s not enough to completely ruin the film for me, but it’s certainly enough to keep it out of my top 10. 
 

the funny thing about Brosnan’s tenure to me is, despite the fact that I consider DAD to be the worst Bond film by a pretty large margin, TND is the one I just can’t bring myself to ever watch. DAD at least has a great first act (sans the title sequence), and after that the train wreck is still fun to watch. TND is just unbelievably average across the board. It’s not that anything in it is terrible (Except maybe Carver - I consider Evil Steve Jobs the worst villain in the franchise), but it just bores me to tears. 

TND didn't age well at all but I liked it as a kid. One saving grace is I love the car chase. The 7 series in it is the most underrated Bond car.

The Living Daylights is awesome

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