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I really wish people could shut the fuck up about the "Bond is a codename" theory. It's a stupid theory that has more holes than a block of swiss cheese, and the only people touting it are those that don't know the films inside and out, or haven't even seen all the films/read all the books.

The code name is "age", even though Roger Moore was older than Sean Connery.

Worth checking out - Playboy interview with Ian Fleming. No Bond Playmates (although that would be a good addition to the thread) "just the article".

http://www.hmss.com/lagniappe/PlayboyInterview_IanFleming_1964.txt

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The subtitles in Quantum drove me nuts in general. I hated how even on the big screen they chose a font that resembled DVD player generated subtitles. Very distracting, especially during the car chase as you mentioned.

Also, add me to the group that thinks the "codename theory" is lame. You're right P5, it's usually only casual fans and critics who try to argue in favor of it. Lee Tamahori too, but I like to pretend he never came anywhere near Bond.

They should go back to the old gun barrel sequences when they used to actually stick a camera down the barrel of a gun. I think the last time it was done in the traditional way was Dalton's. Since Brosnan it has been digital. The Brosnan's were alright, but remember the CGI bullet on Die Another Day's gun-barrel? That was shocking. One of them (GE i think) used really electronic music which I didn't like.

I think Lazenby was actually the last one to use the true pinhole camera image. From Roger on (until Pierce) it was a painted reproduction of that image. At least from TSWLM on. I can't remember what LALD/TMWTGG looked like at the moment. I actually didn't mind the CGI bullet in Die Another Day.

Agreed on GoldenEye's gun barrel cue being awful. The Bond melody on a timpani? Way to go Eric Serra. You can barely even hear it's there. Fun fact though - for the opening orchestra hits when the dots start scrolling, Serra sampled the Goldfinger gun barrel cue and changed the pitch.

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Rank each Bond film by actor, from their best to worst film, for example, my list:

Connery

Goldfinger

You Only Live Twice

From Russia With Love

Diamonds Are Forever

Dr. No

Thunderball

Moore:

Live and Let Die

The Spy Who Loved Me

For Your Eyes Only

Moonraker

The Man With the Golden Gun

Octopussy

A View to a Kill

Dalton:

License to Kill

The Living Daylights

Brosnan:

Goldeneye (his only good film)

Die Another Day

The World is Not Enough

Tomorrow Never Dies

Craig:

Skyfall

Casino Royale

Quantom of Solace

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Good idea. A bit easier than trying to rank all of them under one category.

Connery

From Russia With Love

Thunderball

Dr. No

Goldfinger

You Only Live Twice

Diamonds Are Forever

Moore

Octopussy

The Spy Who Loved Me

The Man With The Golden Gun

Moonraker

Live and Let Die

For Your Eyes Only

A View To A Kill

Dalton

The Living Daylights

Licence to Kill

Brosnan

GoldenEye

The World Is Not Enough

Tomorrow Never Dies

Die Another Day

Craig

Skyfall

Casino Royale

Quantum of Solace

I think it's fairly obvious what my Lazenby ranking is.

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Connery

From Russia with Love

Goldfinger

Thunderball

Dr. No

Diamonds are Forever

You Only Live Twice

Never Say Never Again

Moore

The Spy Who Loved Me

Octopussy

Live And Let Die

For Your Eyes Only

Moonraker

The Man with the Golden Gun

A View to a Kill

Dalton

Licence to Kill

The Living Daylights

Both awesome films

Brosnan

GoldenEye

Tomorow Never Dies

The World is Not Enough

Die Another Day

Craig

Skyfall

Casino Royale

Quantum of Solace

On Her Majesy's Secret Service owns all of them.

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Connery

From Russia With Love

Thunderball

Goldfinger

Dr. No

Diamonds Are Forever

You Only Live Twice

Lazenby

On Her Majesty's Secret Service

Moore

The Man With The Golden Gun

Octopussy

The Spy Who Loved Me

Live And Let Die

Moonraker

A View To A Kill

For Your Eyes Only

Dalton

The Living Daylights

Licence To Kill

Brosnan

Goldeneye

Tomorrow Never Dies

The World Is Not Enough

Die Another Day

Craig

Skyfall

Casino Royale

Quantum Of Solace



Rank each Bond film by actor, from their best to worst film, for example, my list:

Connery

Goldfinger

You Only Live Twice

From Russia With Love

Diamonds Are Forever

Dr. No

Thunderball

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Nice cinematography and a great volcanic set. Even Ken Adam who designed and built the thing dismissed it as a waste.

But it was just boring. I mean, rocket guns? The stuntmen did a fantastic job but it was a wasted effort.

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From Russia With Love

Dr. No

Thunderball

Goldfinger

You Only Live Twice

Diamonds Are Forever

For Your Eyes Only

Live and Let Die

The Spy Who Loved Me

Octopussy

The Man With the Golden Gun

A View to a Kill

Moonraker

The Living Daylights

License to Kill

Goldeneye

The World is Not Enough

Tomorrow Never Dies

Die Another Day

Casino Royale

Skyfall

Quantom of Solace

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Nice cinematography and a great volcanic set. Even Ken Adam who designed and built the thing dismissed it as a waste.

But it was just boring. I mean, rocket guns? The stuntmen did a fantastic job but it was a wasted effort.

I find it a fun film. To me, what makes a Bond film good isn't whether it stays true to fucking stodgy Ian Fleming's novels say, it's whether it's an enjoyable, escapist film. All this "we must stick true to the novels" bullshit is just that--bullshit.

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Yeah, it's got nothing to do with YOLT not being true to the novel. Where did any of us say Bond films had to? I just don't find it a fun film. I agree with P5 and Georgy - it's boring. On the other hand, Octopussy has nothing to do with Fleming but it's fun and one of my favorite Bond films. Who says you can't enjoy both kinds of Bond films?

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Yeah, it's got nothing to do with YOLT not being true to the novel. Where did any of us say Bond films had to? I just don't find it a fun film. I agree with P5 and Georgy - it's boring. On the other hand, Octopussy has nothing to do with Fleming but it's fun and one of my favorite Bond films. Who says you can't enjoy both kinds of Bond films?

Just seems a lot of you guys are purists to Fleming, which explains your love of Craig's movies. Personally I've tried reading Fleming's novels--meh. Boring as shit.

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I wouldn't call us purists. They're just good movies. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy the "fun" ones equally. I love the Moore films.

It's like when people at work or wherever who've never seen a Bond film ask me which one they should start with, I usually ask what kinds of movies they're into. If they like popcorn entertainment, then maybe it's better to put on a "fun" Bond like Moonraker or Tomorrow Never Dies. If they prefer realism, then obviously go for Dalton. Want classic and sophisticated? Connery. Want a hybrid of Connery and Dalton? Go for Craig. Want to wish you were dead? Put on Die Another Day or Never Say Never Again.

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Yeah, it's got nothing to do with YOLT not being true to the novel. Where did any of us say Bond films had to? I just don't find it a fun film. I agree with P5 and Georgy - it's boring. On the other hand, Octopussy has nothing to do with Fleming but it's fun and one of my favorite Bond films. Who says you can't enjoy both kinds of Bond films?

Just seems a lot of you guys are purists to Fleming, which explains your love of Craig's movies. Personally I've tried reading Fleming's novels--meh. Boring as shit.

We're hardly purists - we just enjoy the books and the films. If we were Fleming "purists", we'd hate most of the films besides OHMSS and Casino Royale.

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Yeah, it's got nothing to do with YOLT not being true to the novel. Where did any of us say Bond films had to? I just don't find it a fun film. I agree with P5 and Georgy - it's boring. On the other hand, Octopussy has nothing to do with Fleming but it's fun and one of my favorite Bond films. Who says you can't enjoy both kinds of Bond films?

Just seems a lot of you guys are purists to Fleming, which explains your love of Craig's movies. Personally I've tried reading Fleming's novels--meh. Boring as shit.

Unashamed Fleming fan, when you follow the books (or at least the style of the books) you get From Russia With Love, OHMSS, Licence to Kill and Casino Royale... too far in the other direction and you get Moonraker. No contest for me.

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I've actually never read the books as I have stated several times in this thread. I did attempt to read Licence Renewed by James Garnder but I put it down.

I didn't like YOLO because it was boring. Nothing to do with the book which I have never read. I wanted to like it but man it was boring. And I love Asian women but it was boring. Some nice shots and action scenes but I am sorry but it was boring.

I like the Craig movies the same reason I like the other movies. I enjoy them. I mean don't complain about the direction of the series after Moonraker and Die Another Day. Trust me this series has seen the bottom. I actually am afraid Bond 24 will be another Skyfall. I love Skyfall, it is my favorite along side OHMSS but this series doesn't need another OHMSS no more than it needs Skyfall. Just give me Bond 24

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Off topic but I have not seen a single Resident Evil film but I am shocked that Milla Jovovich has starred in all five of them. I only see comittment like that in James Bond films. Actually only two actors ever did five films or more. Hopefully Craig will be the third.

I heard the RE movies suck though but I wouldn't mind watching them.

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Yeah, it's got nothing to do with YOLT not being true to the novel. Where did any of us say Bond films had to? I just don't find it a fun film. I agree with P5 and Georgy - it's boring. On the other hand, Octopussy has nothing to do with Fleming but it's fun and one of my favorite Bond films. Who says you can't enjoy both kinds of Bond films?

Just seems a lot of you guys are purists to Fleming, which explains your love of Craig's movies. Personally I've tried reading Fleming's novels--meh. Boring as shit.

Well I prefer the books over the films. I like the films but I love the novels. That is just where I stand on the equation.

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I've actually never read the books as I have stated several times in this thread. I did attempt to read Licence Renewed by James Garnder but I put it down.

The John Gardner books are extremely dry. I never made it through all of them. I started with his GoldenEye novelization to familiarize myself with his style but it was boring. His Tomorrow Never Dies one was okay. The only book of his that wasn't a chore to read was Cold. Never read all of the Benson novels either but he was better. The Jeffrey Deaver novel from a couple years ago was pretty good. Nothing original or groundbreaking but an entertaining Bond novel. I'd recommend that one. Also, Colonel Sun which was the first Bond novel post-Fleming is also really good. The rest are forgettable.

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