To Everyone blaming GNR for lack of New Album

[sailaway]

EMI is being merged with UMG and this has prompted an antitrust suit.Many Artists are at odds with their Labels at the current time,not just GNR.

In a recent RS interview Neil Peart from RUSH was discussing an impending New Album,and Pete Townsend said "why bother?"

Also,consider the following letter:

Divestments in the wake of mergers should first offer copyrights, at market rates, to nhe artists who created them. To sell them to other corporations, whether large or small,is just a perpetuation of an old business model, which has seen the recorded music business halve in value over 10 years. During that time, the technological revolution has displaced the old music business players. We do not need to repeat the mistakes of the past.

It would be good to have music business people rather than financiers owning and running music companies again. It would be even better to have artists owning their work and entering into partner relationships with service-providing majorand independent record companies with all the finance and expertise an artist needs to develop their own business.

That letter is signed by Ed O'Brien of Radiohead and Nick Mason of Pink Floyd.

Of course, I imagine that the labels and the artists might disagree about what "market rates" are. Also,givenhowfocused the labels are on fighting copyright termination in their continuing efforts to try to screw Artists over,and unwilling to make the cuts/changes that would be their only salvation in the current state of affaiirs and in this economy.

Ever think just maybe GNR is touring While in negotiations with the Label?

[The_Universal_Sigh]

I just can't believe GNR want to release more music but are being "held back" by the label or anything else.

Either that, or they're retarded for not telling their fans the situation because basically everyone is against them and if Axl just said "The label is not allowing me to release the next album. It is ready, produced, artwork picked, but the label is holding it back. I am very sorry and am fighting with the label to release it" it would go a long way to helping the situation. Nah, the last he said was he was still focusing on CD and didn't care about the next album (from that one sit down video interview he did in the last 20 years)

Edited August 7, 2012 by The_Universal_Sigh

[bodine]

What does that letter mean? So what is it you're suggesting could be holding up an album that's not Axl Rose?

[chokes]

EMI is being merged with UMG and this has prompted an antitrust suit.Many Artists are at odds with their Labels at the current time,not just GNR.

In a recent RS interview Neil Peart from RUSH was discussing an impending New Album,and Pete Townsend said "why bother?"

Also,consider the following letter:

Divestments in the wake of mergers should first offer copyrights, at market rates, to nhe artists who created them. To sell them to other corporations, whether large or small,is just a perpetuation of an old business model, which has seen the recorded music business halve in value over 10 years. During that time, the technological revolution has displaced the old music business players. We do not need to repeat the mistakes of the past.

It would be good to have music business people rather than financiers owning and running music companies again. It would be even better to have artists owning their work and entering into partner relationships with service-providing majorand independent record companies with all the finance and expertise an artist needs to develop their own business.

That letter is signed by Ed O'Brien of Radiohead and Nick Mason of Pink Floyd.

Of course, I imagine that the labels and the artists might disagree about what "market rates" are. Also,givenhowfocused the labels are on fighting copyright termination in their continuing efforts to try to screw Artists over,and unwilling to make the cuts/changes that would be their only salvation in the current state of affaiirs and in this economy.

Ever think just maybe GNR is touring While in negotiations with the Label?

I'm not buying it. No doubt a merger of this size could delay an album release by an artist under these multinationals but it's clear IMO that's it's Axl perfectionism that dictates the long periods of time between albums.

[Apollo]

Good post.

That would make sense.

I think it is a combination of what you just said, along with sorting out having bucket/finck on some of the big guns like General and Soulmonster, as well as Axl's quirky feelings about releasing new music. Tied with constant touring and trying to get all current members involved in writing.

The label also knows that Axl probably isn't going to do any publicity for the next album, and he also has a reputation of being difficult to work with, and he reportedly spent 14 million and a decade on the last album.......so you can't blame a label for being cautious.

I really think it can all be put to wash pretty easily.

To satisfy the label, to satisfy the reunionists, to satisfy the fans, and to satisfy the band.

Box set in time for Christmas featuring all old CD material, remix album, live dvd.

Let current band have rest of 2012 off to rest and relax.

Get back together in January 2013 and have new band record album written only by current members. Release summer of 2013 and tour new album.

[username]

EMI is being merged with UMG and this has prompted an antitrust suit.Many Artists are at odds with their Labels at the current time,not just GNR.

In a recent RS interview Neil Peart from RUSH was discussing an impending New Album,and Pete Townsend said "why bother?"

Also,consider the following letter:

Divestments in the wake of mergers should first offer copyrights, at market rates, to nhe artists who created them. To sell them to other corporations, whether large or small,is just a perpetuation of an old business model, which has seen the recorded music business halve in value over 10 years. During that time, the technological revolution has displaced the old music business players. We do not need to repeat the mistakes of the past.

It would be good to have music business people rather than financiers owning and running music companies again. It would be even better to have artists owning their work and entering into partner relationships with service-providing majorand independent record companies with all the finance and expertise an artist needs to develop their own business.

That letter is signed by Ed O'Brien of Radiohead and Nick Mason of Pink Floyd.

Of course, I imagine that the labels and the artists might disagree about what "market rates" are. Also,givenhowfocused the labels are on fighting copyright termination in their continuing efforts to try to screw Artists over,and unwilling to make the cuts/changes that would be their only salvation in the current state of affaiirs and in this economy.

Ever think just maybe GNR is touring While in negotiations with the Label?

I used to believe in difficulties like this. Then I realized it's somehow strange that GnR is the only band in the universe who seems to be affected by it this much.

Conclusion: It has to be GnR (read: Axl).

[The Glow Inc.]

. . .

The current lineup hasn't written a single song, they haven't "gotten together in a room with the purpose to jam" according to some of the members so the only thing that is getting potentially delayed is a compilation of the Chinese leftovers that Fortus said aren't even finished since they need to hit the studio again until the end of the year so I don't think your explanation is valid.

Sorry.

[bionic56]

Box set in time for Christmas featuring all old CD material, remix album, live dvd.

Let current band have rest of 2012 off to rest and relax.

Get back together in January 2013 and have new band record album written only by current members. Release summer of 2013 and tour new album.

This ! then i would be happy

[saint_seiya]

Its 2012. they could easily release music on their own.

Edited August 7, 2012 by saint_seiya

[November_rain]

Its 2012. they could easily release music on their own.

That´s if they don´t have any contract but if they have a contract with the label I guess they can´t go on their own.

[BBA]

universal has made it clear that they "will not support or promote any future gnr albums that don't have slash or duff, at a minimum".

[sailaway]

tl;dr

Not surprised.

Its 2012. they could easily release music on their own.

Not with owing the label another album,that would get legally sticky.

[dalsh327]

People think Geffen's still GNR's label. ChiDem was the end of their contract, but because Axl has the publishing and Geffen has the masters, they could still maintain a relationship, long enough to put another album out. I highly doubt Axl will get much money for it.

EMI's pretty much non-existent anyway.

Established artists have to be the ones to treat the recording industry like their bitch, but most people who have been recording music for decades don't want to rock the boat with any of the CEOs.

Rush tours frequently enough, Peart wants to keep things from becoming "Moving Pictures in its entirety" for the rest of the time they're out there playing.

[sailaway]

universal has made it clear that they "will not support or promote any future gnr albums that don't have slash or duff, at a minimum".

You have clearly demonstrated you have no credibility or knowledge.

[sailaway]

People think Geffen's still GNR's label. ChiDem was the end of their contract, but because Axl has the publishing and Geffen has the masters, they could still maintain a relationship, long enough to put another album out. I highly doubt Axl will get much money for it.

EMI's pretty much non-existent anyway.

Established artists have to be the ones to treat the recording industry like their bitch, but most people who have been recording music for decades don't want to rock the boat with any of the CEOs.

Rush tours frequently enough, Peart wants to keep things from becoming "Moving Pictures in its entirety" for the rest of the time they're out there playing.

All true Dalsh,but the label could well be making situation less than ideal,and Im sure GNR wants guarantee that future releases are not handled or mishandled like CD was.

[WhazUp]

Rush released their new album a couple of months ago and finished mixing and mastering the album sometime in December, which means the label didn't stop them from releasing their record the way they want to in a reasonable amount of time. I am not saying GNR's case is the same, but it is just interesting to know.

I get the feeling it is going to be a looonnngg time until the new GNR record comes out and just based on what we know (of course I could be wrong, but by the same token everyone here could be) I am not gonna blame the label for all of it. Although yeah labels have proved to be at least somewhat of a nuisance in GNR's case so IMO it is a mix of both parties.

I just re-read Chinese Whispers on GNRevolution.com, it is a very interesting and informative read regarding the genesis of Chinese Democracy and the recording (and re-recording, and the remixing, and the re-re-recording, etc.) of the album as well as other factors

Edited August 7, 2012 by WhazUp

[sailaway]

Its 2012. they could easily release music on their own.

That´s if they don´t have any contract but if they have a contract with the label I guess they can´t go on their own.

They owe the label another Album.fact.

[sailaway]

Box set in time for Christmas featuring all old CD material, remix album, live dvd.

Let current band have rest of 2012 off to rest and relax.

Get back together in January 2013 and have new band record album written only by current members. Release summer of 2013 and tour new album.

This ! then i would be happy

Not to sound harsh,but your personal happiness isnt up for consideration in this matter.

Rush released their new album a couple of months ago and finished mixing and mastering the album sometime in December, which means the label didn't stop them from releasing their record the way they want to in a reasonable amount of time. I am not saying GNR's case is the same, but it is just interesting to know.

I get the feeling it is going to be a looonnngg time until the new GNR record comes out and just based on what we know (of course I could be wrong, but by the same token everyone here could be) I am not gonna blame the label for all of it. Although yeah labels have proved to be at least somewhat of a nuisance in GNR's case so IMO it is a mix of both parties.

I just re-read Chinese Whispers on GNRevolution.com, it is a very interesting and informative read regarding the genesis of Chinese Democracy and the recording (and re-recording, and the remixing, and the re-re-recording, etc.) of the album as well as other factors

It could well be a factor in the current Stalemate,label refuses to budge,GNR refuses to budge.

I just can't believe GNR want to release more music but are being "held back" by the label or anything else.

Either that, or they're retarded for not telling their fans the situation because basically everyone is against them and if Axl just said "The label is not allowing me to release the next album. It is ready, produced, artwork picked, but the label is holding it back. I am very sorry and am fighting with the label to release it" it would go a long way to helping the situation. Nah, the last he said was he was still focusing on CD and didn't care about the next album (from that one sit down video interview he did in the last 20 years)

Any announcement has been met with misinterpretation and Drama,why bother until all is settled?

[dalsh327]

People think Geffen's still GNR's label. ChiDem was the end of their contract, but because Axl has the publishing and Geffen has the masters, they could still maintain a relationship, long enough to put another album out. I highly doubt Axl will get much money for it.

EMI's pretty much non-existent anyway.

Established artists have to be the ones to treat the recording industry like their bitch, but most people who have been recording music for decades don't want to rock the boat with any of the CEOs.

Rush tours frequently enough, Peart wants to keep things from becoming "Moving Pictures in its entirety" for the rest of the time they're out there playing.

All true Dalsh,but the label could well be making situation less than ideal,and Im sure GNR wants guarantee that future releases are not handled or mishandled like CD was.

The only way to maintain that kind of control is owning the master tapes and having a good relationship with the record company. Springsteen can get whatever he wants from Sony, because he's had a track record of selling albums, even though he should be considered way past his prime. If Geffen made him "go back to the drawing board" because they didn't feel the album was releasable, they did their part in delaying it.

Axl took the check from Best Buy, the album went on sale during an economic collapse, and Axl decided to sit home instead of going out and making the interview rounds.

Kate Bush started her own label, and put 2 CDs out within a year. She has a small back catalog, I guarantee she's getting nowhere close to what Axl gets, and she flat out refuses to tour. It's not like you can find a Kate Bush t-shirt in Hot Topic. But she also has it where she has a home studio, works "office hours", and when her kid's home from school, she puts the music aside. She does way less press than Axl does, too.

I think Axl's prob. going to have to go the self-release route, if he wants it done right. It doesn't mean over scrutinize with a microscope, either. He has an official website, it's easy to sell songs online, and even though people are still buying CDs, they're more likely to wind up buying the digital download.

[lukepowell1988]

the label cant stop them playing new songs live if this was the case rock in rio 2001 would have been fucking boring

[Apollo]

People think Geffen's still GNR's label. ChiDem was the end of their contract, but because Axl has the publishing and Geffen has the masters, they could still maintain a relationship, long enough to put another album out. I highly doubt Axl will get much money for it.

EMI's pretty much non-existent anyway.

Established artists have to be the ones to treat the recording industry like their bitch, but most people who have been recording music for decades don't want to rock the boat with any of the CEOs.

Rush tours frequently enough, Peart wants to keep things from becoming "Moving Pictures in its entirety" for the rest of the time they're out there playing.

All true Dalsh,but the label could well be making situation less than ideal,and Im sure GNR wants guarantee that future releases are not handled or mishandled like CD was.

Not being sarcastic - but what were those things?

The label appeared to be very lenient and free with Axl. In terms of Axl spending 14 million dollars and over a decade to release the album. Axl going through producers left and right. Axl missing every deadline that the label gave him.

Couldn't you at agree that as a Label exec, working with Axl must have been a nightmare on Chinese?

Taking into account all of that, topped with Axl not doing any personal publicity and all the complaining he has done about them ---- can you blame the lable for not being anxious to go through it all again?

The Best Buy deal wasn't that great in terms of exposure for the album. But......if the label had spent 10-14 million dollars on the album, of course they would want to recoop that money.

Album booklet with mistakes........how hard is it for the band to supply this? The label went with the last thing they were given. It isn't like the release of the album happened overnight and was a big surprise to the band. They knew it was coming and what their deadline was.

Music videos.........still not sure who is to blame for that.

Don't get me wrong. CD is my favorite albume of the 00s - hands down. And I would pay $100 for a new GnR album tomorrow.

But it seems like if the label is leery of working with GnR on an album, it is becuase of Axl's past actions?

[yourcrazy]

I totally agree. It's time to do his own thing with his own label. That seems to be the trend anyway. Didn't Slash even start his own label. It seems like Axl would easily be able to do this, perform a little markenting, and a lot of digital downloading availability.

Edited August 7, 2012 by yourcrazy

[sailaway]

Good post.

That would make sense.

I think it is a combination of what you just said, along with sorting out having bucket/finck on some of the big guns like General and Soulmonster, as well as Axl's quirky feelings about releasing new music. Tied with constant touring and trying to get all current members involved in writing.

The label also knows that Axl probably isn't going to do any publicity for the next album, and he also has a reputation of being difficult to work with, and he reportedly spent 14 million and a decade on the last album.......so you can't blame a label for being cautious.

I really think it can all be put to wash pretty easily.

To satisfy the label, to satisfy the reunionists, to satisfy the fans, and to satisfy the band.

Box set in time for Christmas featuring all old CD material, remix album, live dvd.

Let current band have rest of 2012 off to rest and relax.

Get back together in January 2013 and have new band record album written only by current members. Release summer of 2013 and tour new album.

Nice try,but it's more complicated than that. I love how everyone has their own solutions that would magically solve the issues at hand without knowing the issues at hand.Tt

At least you arent disregarding all info and blaming it all on GNR.

[sailaway]

People think Geffen's still GNR's label. ChiDem was the end of their contract, but because Axl has the publishing and Geffen has the masters, they could still maintain a relationship, long enough to put another album out. I highly doubt Axl will get much money for it.

EMI's pretty much non-existent anyway.

Established artists have to be the ones to treat the recording industry like their bitch, but most people who have been recording music for decades don't want to rock the boat with any of the CEOs.

Rush tours frequently enough, Peart wants to keep things from becoming "Moving Pictures in its entirety" for the rest of the time they're out there playing.

All true Dalsh,but the label could well be making situation less than ideal,and Im sure GNR wants guarantee that future releases are not handled or mishandled like CD was.

Not being sarcastic - but what were those things?

The label appeared to be very lenient and free with Axl. In terms of Axl spending 14 million dollars and over a decade to release the album. Axl going through producers left and right. Axl missing every deadline that the label gave him.

Couldn't you at agree that as a Label exec, working with Axl must have been a nightmare on Chinese?

Taking into account all of that, topped with Axl not doing any personal publicity and all the complaining he has done about them ---- can you blame the lable for not being anxious to go through it all again?

The Best Buy deal wasn't that great in terms of exposure for the album. But......if the label had spent 10-14 million dollars on the album, of course they would want to recoop that money.

Album booklet with mistakes........how hard is it for the band to supply this? The label went with the last thing they were given. It isn't like the release of the album happened overnight and was a big surprise to the band. They knew it was coming and what their deadline was.

Music videos.........still not sure who is to blame for that.

Don't get me wrong. CD is my favorite albume of the 00s - hands down. And I would pay $100 for a new GnR album tomorrow.

But it seems like if the label is leery of working with GnR on an album, it is becuase of Axl's past actions?

Not being facetious but who plays music videos anymore?

Azoff was involved with the last release,so the approved booklet wasnt released,the multi-covers werent released.It was a clusterfuck of a mess,if I felt I was being sabotaged,and had been betrayed I would refuse to play the promotion game as well.

[sailaway]

People think Geffen's still GNR's label. ChiDem was the end of their contract, but because Axl has the publishing and Geffen has the masters, they could still maintain a relationship, long enough to put another album out. I highly doubt Axl will get much money for it.

EMI's pretty much non-existent anyway.

Established artists have to be the ones to treat the recording industry like their bitch, but most people who have been recording music for decades don't want to rock the boat with any of the CEOs.

Rush tours frequently enough, Peart wants to keep things from becoming "Moving Pictures in its entirety" for the rest of the time they're out there playing.

All true Dalsh,but the label could well be making situation less than ideal,and Im sure GNR wants guarantee that future releases are not handled or mishandled like CD was.

The only way to maintain that kind of control is owning the master tapes and having a good relationship with the record company. Springsteen can get whatever he wants from Sony, because he's had a track record of selling albums, even though he should be considered way past his prime. If Geffen made him "go back to the drawing board" because they didn't feel the album was releasable, they did their part in delaying it.

Axl took the check from Best Buy, the album went on sale during an economic collapse, and Axl decided to sit home instead of going out and making the interview rounds.

Kate Bush started her own label, and put 2 CDs out within a year. She has a small back catalog, I guarantee she's getting nowhere close to what Axl gets, and she flat out refuses to tour. It's not like you can find a Kate Bush t-shirt in Hot Topic. But she also has it where she has a home studio, works "office hours", and when her kid's home from school, she puts the music aside. She does way less press than Axl does, too.

I think Axl's prob. going to have to go the self-release route, if he wants it done right. It doesn't mean over scrutinize with a microscope, either. He has an official website, it's easy to sell songs online, and even though people are still buying CDs, they're more likely to wind up buying the digital download.

Yes,been reading about Kate Bush.

All signs point to digital releases replacing Albums/CDs,with outlet stores reducing their floor space for music sales and reecord stores closing in droves,the industry is definately going through an upheaval and some are dragging their heels all the way.

Problem being,owing label another album is the immediate problem at hand.