Yoko Ono performs....

[Vincent Vega]

What Yoko and John did wasn't art. It was crap labelled as "art" because it was somehow "edgy" because John Lennon's name was on it. I fucking hate the pretentious ironic art school douchebags...Self absorbed and self centered weirdos who think they're all so funny, who have this elitist thing that they're better than the common man. Fuck that shit. And here Lenny said Led Zep doesn't have a "point", well what's the fucking "point", for real, in actual terms not abstract philosophy, of Yoko making orgasm noises?

[Redhead74]

Lenny, Yeah that's ace. Isn't it amazing what the impact of something can be if you come across it at the RIGHT time in your life? I really think that timing is a major factor in development. You can see or hear something but if you aren't ready for it it can mean nothing. Likewise, if you never hear the right things what that does to limit your development. You are a pretty intelligent guy though and that has something to do with it too I think. Sounds awful (not for you I mean) but some people just never see it and don't want to see it.

Well I'm glad we have traversed the landscape of modern art tonight. It was a journey and a most pleasant one at that. You know I can't get that Flowers of Romance track out of my head. Been listening to it all day and it keeps going over and over in the back of my mind. You're right, it IS addictive. And I got a shiver every time the Order of Death came on my iPod today. Fuck I love that! I don't think I can live without it now. Was the show good? I bet it was.

I gotta go to bed now. GMT+10 is shit.

What Yoko and John did wasn't art. It was crap labelled as "art" because it was somehow "edgy" because John Lennon's name was on it. I fucking hate the pretentious ironic art school douchebags...Self absorbed and self centered weirdos who think they're all so funny, who have this elitist thing that they're better than the common man. Fuck that shit. And here Lenny said Led Zep doesn't have a "point", well what's the fucking "point", for real, in actual terms not abstract philosophy, of Yoko making orgasm noises?

But they're not orgasm noises. Didn't you read ANYTHING we just talked about?

Edited August 13, 2012 by Redhead74

[Vincent Vega]

Lenny, Yeah that's ace. Isn't it amazing what the impact of something can be if you come across it at the RIGHT time in your life? I really think that timing is a major factor in development. You can see or hear something but if you aren't ready for it it can mean nothing. Likewise, if you never hear the right things what that does to limit your development. You are a pretty intelligent guy though and that has something to do with it too I think. Sounds awful (not for you I mean) but some people just never see it and don't want to see it.

Well I'm glad we have traversed the landscape of modern art tonight. It was a journey and a most pleasant one at that. You know I can't get that Flowers of Romance track out of my head. Been listening to it all day and it keeps going over and over in the back of my mind. You're right, it IS addictive. And I got a shiver every time the Order of Death came on my iPod today. Fuck I love that! I don't think I can live without it now. Was the show good? I bet it was.

I gotta go to bed now. GMT+10 is shit.

What Yoko and John did wasn't art. It was crap labelled as "art" because it was somehow "edgy" because John Lennon's name was on it. I fucking hate the pretentious ironic art school douchebags...Self absorbed and self centered weirdos who think they're all so funny, who have this elitist thing that they're better than the common man. Fuck that shit. And here Lenny said Led Zep doesn't have a "point", well what's the fucking "point", for real, in actual terms not abstract philosophy, of Yoko making orgasm noises?

But they're not orgasm noises. Didn't you read ANYTHING we just talked about?

Yeah it's a "deconstruction of music" aka pretentious art student SHIT. It's orgasm noises. It's Yoko being a cupcake having people pay for her to moan and yelp like she's being humped by John's ghost. It's not art or music. It's CRAP.

[Guest Len B'stard]

What Yoko and John did wasn't art. It was crap labelled as "art" because it was somehow "edgy" because John Lennon's name was on it. I fucking hate the pretentious ironic art school douchebags...Self absorbed and self centered weirdos who think they're all so funny, who have this elitist thing that they're better than the common man. Fuck that shit. And here Lenny said Led Zep doesn't have a "point", well what's the fucking "point", for real, in actual terms not abstract philosophy, of Yoko making orgasm noises?

Well we're discussing conceptual which by its nature is about the abstract but OK, the point of Yoko Ono doing what she did is redefining the function of vocals in music. And the greater purpose that serves is that it opens the minds of people like myself that otherwise probably end up listening to a very limited range of music, it helped inform my understanding of certain elements of music.

My comment about Zep was more to do with the fact that there is/were a lot of very specific things, choices that could not have been incidental in the music they made and i couldn't see what purpose those particular elements served, whether they were poor choices on their part or whether my comments indicated a lack of understanding on my part depends on your perspective.

I hope this gas gone some way towards answering your question.

[Johnny Drama]

Im with Miser on this. Fuck this shit and this is coming from a massive Lennon/Be@les fan so I ain't hating yo.

[dalsh327]

Yoko's point of view is that if you react to her work, even if you're laughing, it's better than looking at something on a wall and saying "oh, that's nice". I think her whole thing about being involved and art shouldn't be something "nice" is important. She did it to create a reaction. I think Cut Piece is pretty disturbing because the whole thing is about rape. People naturally went to go see it because she was naked at the end of it, but it says more about the audience, doesn't it?

The Lennon/Ono tapes are awful, Lennon's world was far from hers. Paul had been more into it and had funded the gallery where John met Yoko. He had met Yoko first, and it was because she came hat in hand for money. She was a homewrecker though, even though John's ultimately to blame for that. But to just come in during the band's fame? She is kind of an opportunist, or was at the time. I also think she knew when she hooked up with John, her peers in the art world were going to write her off. Her overall history as an artist is WAY more than about her screaming.

[Guest Len B'stard]

I think the fact that everyone finds every other reason aside from 'they fell in love' palleable says something about us all. As far as the in's and out's of her motives or whatever, i dunno, thats something I can't really judge one way or the other not knowing them, i'm handed the explanation that they fell in love and thats good enough for me, it's sort of pheriphery to me to be honest, whats important to me is the work.

The soap opera aspect is the least interesting aspect to me and the least important. The oppertunist comment could be closer to the truth than anything else and i mean that in the positive way, by their own admission during the peace campaign they siezed oppertunities to get the message out there i.e the bed in, classic oppertunism.

Didn't she work with Gustav Metzger earlier on?

Edited August 13, 2012 by sugaraylen

[DirtyDeeds]

How the fuck is that art?

By virtue of being a manifestation of human creativity?

I love Yoko, i think she's amazing...her yelling shit included in that. She was, amongst other things, a conceptual artist and the nature of conceptual art is such that it ain't the thing unto itself that is exceptional but the message that it conveys. Hugely underrated is ol' Yoko...hugely influential too.

We could have done without her influence to break up one of the top 3 bands of all time.

[Guest Len B'stard]

How the fuck is that art?

By virtue of being a manifestation of human creativity?

I love Yoko, i think she's amazing...her yelling shit included in that. She was, amongst other things, a conceptual artist and the nature of conceptual art is such that it ain't the thing unto itself that is exceptional but the message that it conveys. Hugely underrated is ol' Yoko...hugely influential too.

We could have done without her influence to break up one of the top 3 bands of all time.

Bloody women, all the same, ain't they, all Eves and Delilahs

[DirtyDeeds]

How the fuck is that art?

By virtue of being a manifestation of human creativity?

I love Yoko, i think she's amazing...her yelling shit included in that. She was, amongst other things, a conceptual artist and the nature of conceptual art is such that it ain't the thing unto itself that is exceptional but the message that it conveys. Hugely underrated is ol' Yoko...hugely influential too.

We could have done without her influence to break up one of the top 3 bands of all time.

Bloody women, all the same, ain't they, all Eves and Delilahs

You said it.

[DirtyDeeds]

Also I'm thinking of posting a reaction piece on youtube to see what people think about my interpretation of this art through my own art.

[st0n3r]

It's even worse then I expected. Something is truly wrong with society these days if crap like that can be labeled art. It may be art, but it's crap.

[Guest Len B'stard]

Also I'm thinking of posting a reaction piece on youtube to see what people think about my interpretation of this art through my own art.

Well you got at least one patron here sir

It's even worse then I expected. Something is truly wrong with society these days if crap like that can be labeled art. It may be art, but it's crap.

You contradicted yourself.

[DirtyDeeds]

I believe Jim Carrey's part in this clip to be better formed art, more structure, more purpose, a delivered message and influence, in comparison to Yoko Ono's piece.

Perhaps also consider this work by Tom Kenny, in the person of SpongeBob Squarepants and consider its implications.

Dunno why it won't let me get the actual videos in the post. Whatever. Slightly more effort on your part.

Edited August 13, 2012 by DirtyDeeds

[Guest Len B'stard]

I believe Jim Carrey's part in this clip to be better formed art, more structure, more purpose, a delivered message and influence, in comparison to Yoko Ono's piece.

Perhaps also consider this work by Tom Kenny, in the person of SpongeBob Squarepants and consider its implications.

Well explain your interpretation of the merits you mentioned and if it's interesting i'll check it out

[st0n3r]

Also I'm thinking of posting a reaction piece on youtube to see what people think about my interpretation of this art through my own art.

Well you got at least one patron here sir

It's even worse then I expected. Something is truly wrong with society these days if crap like that can be labeled art. It may be art, but it's crap.

You contradicted yourself.

Well no, I expressed myself badly. Something is art when it is created for that purpose by an artist. This is intended to be art, so it is art. It doesn't make it good art though. And it is only in this day and age an artist can come up with crap like this. Ask any artist from 200 years ago what he aimed for, and he'd reply "beauty". Ask any artist today what they aim for and they usually reply something akin to "expressing an idea". It is in my opinion much harder to achieve to make something really astoundingly beautiful than to make something like the crap yoko ono makes. Artists used to be a lot more ambitious.

I hope I make sense somehow, I am tired as hell and my command of the english language suffers for it.

Edit: Come to think of it, the problem with today's society is that it somehow became frowned upon to judge. One cannot judge art, food, music, cultures, etc. without being called names.

Edited August 13, 2012 by st0n3r

[Guest Len B'stard]

Ask any artist from 200 years ago what he aimed for, and he'd reply "beauty". Ask any artist today what they aim for and they usually reply something akin to "expressing an idea".

The two are not indivisible. And don't sweat it man, you make perfect sense, better than most English people i know

Edit: Come to think of it, the problem with today's society is that it somehow became frowned upon to judge. One cannot judge art, food, music, cultures, etc. without being called names.

Agreed.

Y'know, there are those who would claim Yoko's work to be an expression of beauty, i know i have done on many an occasion. Eye of the beholder and all that shit, y'know.

Artists used to be a lot more ambitious

Do you not feel that pushing the boundaries and pre-concieved notions is ambitious, as opposed to what you seem to be suggesting which is sticking to more classical modes of poetry and universally accepted notions of what is or isn't beauty in art?

Edited August 13, 2012 by sugaraylen

[Vincent Vega]

LENNY

Yoko is just making sex noises. She's not pushing any boundaries or doing anything revolutionary. She's acting like Lennon's ghost is raping her bum. I guess pornos are art now since the women in them challenge the pre-conceived notions of music in the process.

[Guest Len B'stard]

LENNY

Yoko is just making sex noises. She's not pushing any boundaries or doing anything revolutionary. She's acting like Lennon's ghost is raping her bum. I guess pornos are art now since the women in them challenge the pre-conceived notions of music in the process.

Miser...don't...i'm not Lucrecia, i will embarass you...it's not worth it, just behave yourself

[DirtyDeeds]

Lenny will inundate you with a massive amount of well thought-out, articulate (despite the number of "fuck"s and "y'know?"s) bullshit that he will actually make you believe you are wrong, closed-minded and shallow. If nothing else, this is his contribution to the history of mankind and he has few rivals.

[Guest Len B'stard]

Lenny will inundate you with a massive amount of well thought-out, articulate (despite the number of "fuck"s and "y'know?"s) bullshit that he will actually make you believe you are wrong, closed-minded and shallow. If nothing else, this is his contribution to the history of mankind and he has few rivals.

Alls im saying is, please, keep me out of these fuckin dorky fuckin internet grudges, please, is that so much to ask? I ain't Lucrecia, i ain't gonna unregister cuz you keep saying shit about my dead mother so just save your energy, thats alls I'm telling the man, Deeds I come here cuz i like music, not cuz I wanna get in some kind of fuckin internet soap opera, im 29 yrs old, im too old and ugly for that shit

[DirtyDeeds]

Ahh, sorry Len. I was just poking fun of you. I'm not a part of any internet grudges. Your posts are hilarious and I'm just playing along, but I'll knock it off if you think it'll start some drama with someone.

[Guest Len B'stard]

Ahh, sorry Len. I was just poking fun of you. I'm not a part of any internet grudges. Your posts are hilarious and I'm just playing along, but I'll knock it off if you think it'll start some drama with someone.

Its cool man, ur actually one of my favorite posters

[Redhead74]

Also I'm thinking of posting a reaction piece on youtube to see what people think about my interpretation of this art through my own art.

Well you got at least one patron here sir

It's even worse then I expected. Something is truly wrong with society these days if crap like that can be labeled art. It may be art, but it's crap.

You contradicted yourself.

Well no, I expressed myself badly. Something is art when it is created for that purpose by an artist. This is intended to be art, so it is art. It doesn't make it good art though. And it is only in this day and age an artist can come up with crap like this. Ask any artist from 200 years ago what he aimed for, and he'd reply "beauty". Ask any artist today what they aim for and they usually reply something akin to "expressing an idea". It is in my opinion much harder to achieve to make something really astoundingly beautiful than to make something like the crap yoko ono makes. Artists used to be a lot more ambitious.

I hope I make sense somehow, I am tired as hell and my command of the english language suffers for it.

Edit: Come to think of it, the problem with today's society is that it somehow became frowned upon to judge. One cannot judge art, food, music, cultures, etc. without being called names.

The nature of creativity says that you don't just reproduce what the previous generation did. Once the area of traditional "beauty" was pushed as far as it could go the next generation of artists move into the next area of exploration. It's kind of irrelevant whether an audience finds something beautiful or not. It's just the preconceived ideas of what people think art should be that limits them from seeing what the true intention and purpose is. Just my opinion, anyway.

Lenny will inundate you with a massive amount of well thought-out, articulate (despite the number of "fuck"s and "y'know?"s) bullshit that he will actually make you believe you are wrong, closed-minded and shallow. If nothing else, this is his contribution to the history of mankind and he has few rivals.

Alls im saying is, please, keep me out of these fuckin dorky fuckin internet grudges, please, is that so much to ask? I ain't Lucrecia, i ain't gonna unregister cuz you keep saying shit about my dead mother so just save your energy, thats alls I'm telling the man, Deeds I come here cuz i like music, not cuz I wanna get in some kind of fuckin internet soap opera, im 29 yrs old, im too old and ugly for that shit

Hey Lenny, it's 6am and I've just gotten up to hear you say that 29 is old! WTF?! My day is ruined!

[Guest Len B'stard]

Also I'm thinking of posting a reaction piece on youtube to see what people think about my interpretation of this art through my own art.

Well you got at least one patron here sir

It's even worse then I expected. Something is truly wrong with society these days if crap like that can be labeled art. It may be art, but it's crap.

You contradicted yourself.

Well no, I expressed myself badly. Something is art when it is created for that purpose by an artist. This is intended to be art, so it is art. It doesn't make it good art though. And it is only in this day and age an artist can come up with crap like this. Ask any artist from 200 years ago what he aimed for, and he'd reply "beauty". Ask any artist today what they aim for and they usually reply something akin to "expressing an idea". It is in my opinion much harder to achieve to make something really astoundingly beautiful than to make something like the crap yoko ono makes. Artists used to be a lot more ambitious.

I hope I make sense somehow, I am tired as hell and my command of the english language suffers for it.

Edit: Come to think of it, the problem with today's society is that it somehow became frowned upon to judge. One cannot judge art, food, music, cultures, etc. without being called names.

The nature of creativity says that you don't just reproduce what the previous generation did. Once the area of traditional "beauty" was pushed as far as it could go the next generation of artists move into the next area of exploration. It's kind of irrelevant whether an audience finds something beautiful or not. It's just the preconceived ideas of what people think art should be that limits them from seeing what the true intention and purpose is. Just my opinion, anyway.

Lenny will inundate you with a massive amount of well thought-out, articulate (despite the number of "fuck"s and "y'know?"s) bullshit that he will actually make you believe you are wrong, closed-minded and shallow. If nothing else, this is his contribution to the history of mankind and he has few rivals.

Alls im saying is, please, keep me out of these fuckin dorky fuckin internet grudges, please, is that so much to ask? I ain't Lucrecia, i ain't gonna unregister cuz you keep saying shit about my dead mother so just save your energy, thats alls I'm telling the man, Deeds I come here cuz i like music, not cuz I wanna get in some kind of fuckin internet soap opera, im 29 yrs old, im too old and ugly for that shit

Hey Lenny, it's 6am and I've just gotten up to hear you say that 29 is old! WTF?! My day is ruined!

No sweetie, it's just too old for internet feuding. As in it's above toddler mentality