Building Credibility and Collateral...to help release the next album

[packers]

There's been a lot of talk about how this is another cash-grab, funding pension plans, no intention to release new music, don't care about the real fans, bla-bla-bla. But the reality is, with a multi-album contract obligation with the label, getting out of which virtually impossible, and at the same time a seemingly deadlock situation since the label won't fund any album release endeavors such as proper promotion, the band has to find a way to release the next album on its own shoulders and expense. Namely, collecting enough cash to fund a potential release pretty much on its own and at the same time keep paying current band members enough so they stick around, since every time someone leaves finding replacements is another nightmarish process, which it seems always loses a bit of credibility with the fans, label and tour promoters. Secondly, in order to be able to tour and promote a potential release properly, the band needs to build enough credibility with tour promoters by constantly touring and showing relevance, hard work and accountability, all of which this band has showed plenty in the last 1 year, not to mention amazing performances, wherever and whenever the opportunity arises, be it in arenas, clubs, casinos, or private parties.

No one wants to retire at 50, and God forbid stop creating art - for an artist that's equivalent to a death sentence. And financially makes no sense either given how the last 20 years have gone in that department and how many people, starting from band members, to crew and others depend on that and need opportunities to make a living.

[Coma16]

Dare I say "Cool story bro"? First post in almost 1 year of being a member? Welcome

Edited August 17, 2012 by Coma16

[Damn_Smooth]

I think they should redo the Better video with Ron and DJ shown where Bucket and Robin would be. That's what I would do. Then they could make 11 dollars off the advertising on YouTube and maybe add the final cowbell to complete CD 2.

[Tyler Drama]

I think they should redo the Better video with Ron and DJ shown where Bucket and Robin would be. That's what I would do. Then they could make 11 dollars off the advertising on YouTube and maybe add the final cowbell to complete CD 2.

[Gagarin]

In general, I think you're right.

They've been pretty active since 09, hitting all the major touring seasons, and especially this last year. "Prove them wrong". I don't know if he's really wanting to buy out the contract or the masters, or build capital, but I DO THINK the only way to get an album out someday is do anything BUT "play Axis and Allies over the phone". People want an album, well, the best thing right now for that to happen is the band playing dates...and not cancelling, and the best way to build reputation with promoters and even the general fanbase is to do shows and not cancel. Showing up before 9, well, goodluck. But really.... they've come a long way since cancelling the 2002 tour.

I'm *guessing* the Vegas shows will gross between 3.5 and 4 million. I don't know how much that means as far as net income or what bonuses they might be getting.

But it keeps the band going. Momentum.

Edited August 17, 2012 by Gagarin

[jmapelian]

There's been a lot of talk about how this is another cash-grab, funding pension plans, no intention to release new music, don't care about the real fans, bla-bla-bla. But the reality is, with a multi-album contract obligation with the label, getting out of which virtually impossible, and at the same time a seemingly deadlock situation since the label won't fund any album release endeavors such as proper promotion, the band has to find a way to release the next album on its own shoulders and expense. Namely, collecting enough cash to fund a potential release pretty much on its own and at the same time keep paying current band members enough so they stick around, since every time someone leaves finding replacements is another nightmarish process, which it seems always loses a bit of credibility with the fans, label and tour promoters. Secondly, in order to be able to tour and promote a potential release properly, the band needs to build enough credibility with tour promoters by constantly touring and showing relevance, hard work and accountability, all of which this band has showed plenty in the last 1 year, not to mention amazing performances, wherever and whenever the opportunity arises, be it in arenas, clubs, casinos, or private parties.

No one wants to retire at 50, and God forbid stop creating art - for an artist that's equivalent to a death sentence. And financially makes no sense either given how the last 20 years have gone in that department and how many people, starting from band members, to crew and others depend on that and need opportunities to make a living.

funny you should make an excuse for the cash grab as if the band needs a fundraiser to put out an album properly because the label won't give them any money- again, who's fault is it the last album took 14-17 yrs and cost over $13 million? the labels?

not for anything but Axl's public enemy #1 released 2 self-funded, self-promoted albums and world tours in the last 2 yrs and hasn't lost one bit of credibility

Again, it would seem all of Axl's issues start and end with the man he see's in the reflection in his mirror, and nobody else

[fabrph5]

There's been a lot of talk about how this is another cash-grab, funding pension plans, no intention to release new music, don't care about the real fans, bla-bla-bla. But the reality is, with a multi-album contract obligation with the label, getting out of which virtually impossible, and at the same time a seemingly deadlock situation since the label won't fund any album release endeavors such as proper promotion, the band has to find a way to release the next album on its own shoulders and expense. Namely, collecting enough cash to fund a potential release pretty much on its own and at the same time keep paying current band members enough so they stick around, since every time someone leaves finding replacements is another nightmarish process, which it seems always loses a bit of credibility with the fans, label and tour promoters. Secondly, in order to be able to tour and promote a potential release properly, the band needs to build enough credibility with tour promoters by constantly touring and showing relevance, hard work and accountability, all of which this band has showed plenty in the last 1 year, not to mention amazing performances, wherever and whenever the opportunity arises, be it in arenas, clubs, casinos, or private parties.

No one wants to retire at 50, and God forbid stop creating art - for an artist that's equivalent to a death sentence. And financially makes no sense either given how the last 20 years have gone in that department and how many people, starting from band members, to crew and others depend on that and need opportunities to make a living.

the only problem i have is the credibility part. They can tour for the next 40 years playing AFD, and UYI songs, it will never make them "their" songs. There are tons of cover bands playing gnr songs every night. The only difference is they dont have Axl as the lead singer. You have to tour YOUR OWN work to be giving "credit" Until a CD is relased with one version of the band creating NEW music, this will be as good as it gets for nugnr.

[finck6]

packers, this vegas thing is another cash grab 4 axl rose, DJ, and ronald 2