Anyone else think a new GNR album of CD-era songs would look tragic being released now?

[Towelie]

It'd be different if the likes of BH and Finck were still in the group, but as the band stands today, releasing a new GNR album with songs written by a guitarist who hasn't even been in the band for nearly a decade would just make the current line-up look completely redundant.

I see nothing wrong with using CD-era songs written by Axl, Tommy, Dizzy, Chris or even Paul Tobias (as he has co-written with Axl for years). But I think at least three quarters of the next record should be freshly written material by the current band.

[rosesforcure]

I think thats exactly what its going to happen and I hope it happens like this.

Why??

1.- Because the material is a way fucking cool, I love The General, Seven is a materpiece, Jackie Chan will blow our minds,

I really like Soul Monster, Silkworms its an out of the blue tune that will smash our ideas......

2.- Because we wont have to wait for another 13 years. You like decade waitings? not me!

3.- Because the company wont burned all that money already wasted just to release 14 of the 50 tracks plus recorded.

4.- Because its a part of axls life that wont be finish until he releases his whoooole Chinese trilogy. For now, its something incomplete.

5.- Because robin and bucket are a couple of genious that together wrote amazing music that is already re-recorded by the new guys.

6.- Because bumble is just and ordinary guitar shreder, fast yes! but without melody, it doesnt bring your emotions up to surface like Slash or any guitar heore does.

Did u know Bumble before Guns? No, then, he is never been talented enough to create something legendary like Guns did and NEITHER had the Guns Suicide

attiutde to roll it on fire like Guns did.

7.- Because Dj is a cool guy but again, same as Bumble, are you crazy for Nikki Six am records?? Not me, its just OK music but not enough for Guns. Sorry!!

I dont loose my head to buy any of his albums.

MMMM, what elses, do you need more??? hehe

Honestly I think the new guys will have their chance after the third release. Maybe Axl gives them one or two tracks in the secconf so they still motivated with the whole plan

but I think that Robins and Bucket departure has been a total disaster.

Its true Robin live onstage is not ausper guitar player but in studio hes very different

and experimental. I love the song "LOVE SEIGE" from Ghosts of Mars. He really is a studio musician.

For me I hope we can get leftovers from Chinese, I know they are just fucking amazing.

This is my opinion with full respect to yours ok man!!

Edited August 26, 2012 by rosesforcure

[TyRod Tulip]

I think thats exactly what its going to happen and I hope it happens like this.

Why??

1.- Because the material is a way fucking cool, I love The General, Seven is a materpiece, Jackie Chan will blow our minds,

I really like Soul Monster, Silkworms its an out of the blue tune that will smash our ideas......

Proof please or I call BS.

[Apollo]

At the end of the day it is just rock music. I don't really care who the writers or players are. I just enjoy hearing new music from singers I enjoy

[wkuk04]

I think thats exactly what its going to happen and I hope it happens like this.

Why??

1.- Because the material is a way fucking cool, I love The General, Seven is a materpiece, Jackie Chan will blow our minds,

I really like Soul Monster, Silkworms its an out of the blue tune that will smash our ideas......

2.- Because we wont have to wait for another 13 years. You like decade waitings? not me!

3.- Because the company wont burned all that money already wasted just to release 14 of the 50 tracks plus recorded.

4.- Because its a part of axls life that wont be finish until he releases his whoooole Chinese trilogy. For now, its something incomplete.

5.- Because robin and bucket are a couple of genious that together wrote amazing music that is already re-recorded by the new guys.

6.- Because bumble is just and ordinary guitar shreder, fast yes! but without melody, it doesnt bring your emotions up to surface like Slash or any guitar heore does.

Did u know Bumble before Guns? No, then, he is never been talented enough to create something legendary like Guns did and NEITHER had the Guns Suicide

attiutde to roll it on fire like Guns did.

7.- Because Dj is a cool guy but again, same as Bumble, are you crazy for Nikki Six am records?? Not me, its just OK music but not enough for Guns. Sorry!!

I dont loose my head to buy any of his albums.

MMMM, what elses, do you need more??? hehe

Honestly I think the new guys will have their chance after the third release. Maybe Axl gives them one or two tracks in the secconf so they still motivated with the whole plan

but I think that Robins and Bucket departure has been a total disaster.

Its true Robin live onstage is not ausper guitar player but in studio hes very different

and experimental. I love the song "LOVE SEIGE" from Ghosts of Mars. He really is a studio musician.

For me I hope we can get leftovers from Chinese, I know they are just fucking amazing.

This is my opinion with full respect to yours ok man!!

so you've heard this new stuff? HOW?

[Nosaj Thing]

Because the material is a way fucking cool, I love The General, Seven is a materpiece, Jackie Chan will blow our minds,

I really like Soul Monster, Silkworms its an out of the blue tune that will smash our ideas......

How come you can say all those things about songs you have NOT heard?

Silkworms is awful. OMG is good.

[Twinaleblood]

I think thats exactly what its going to happen and I hope it happens like this.

Why??

etc etc

[Babooshka]

Any music is a good thing, but it would be better if the band operated in the present. Writing and recording new songs with this line-up. At some point the identity of nuGNR needs to be cemented, that's never going to happen if there is a constant lag between members and output.

[axlsalinger]

Any music is a good thing, but it would be better if the band operated in the present. Writing and recording new songs with this line-up. At some point the identity of nuGNR needs to be cemented, that's never going to happen if there is a constant lag between members and output.

Signed,

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012

[finck6]

It'd be different if the likes of BH and Finck were still in the group, but as the band stands today, releasing a new GNR album with songs written by a guitarist who hasn't even been in the band for nearly a decade would just make the current line-up look completely redundant.

I see nothing wrong with using CD-era songs written by Axl, Tommy, Dizzy, Chris or even Paul Tobias (as he has co-written with Axl for years). But I think at least three quarters of the next record should be freshly written material by the current band.

axl isn't releasing chinese democracy 2 with cd - era songs cause dj and ronald don't want robin's and bucket's unreleased cd-era songs on chinese democracy 2

so yeah. it looks 2012 tragic 2 release chinese democracy 2. which hasn't even been recorded. because dj and ronald have done 0 recording on cd2

[username]

It'd be different if the likes of BH and Finck were still in the group, but as the band stands today, releasing a new GNR album with songs written by a guitarist who hasn't even been in the band for nearly a decade would just make the current line-up look completely redundant.

I see nothing wrong with using CD-era songs written by Axl, Tommy, Dizzy, Chris or even Paul Tobias (as he has co-written with Axl for years). But I think at least three quarters of the next record should be freshly written material by the current band.

Agreed, but I still want to hear it.

It's a bit mixed. Yes, it would be silly and in a way respectless to the current guitarists. So maybe thing will be re-recorded or re-written. But still.

I still think the entire 1998-2008 era is a goldmine for GnR fans. The supposed 3 albums worth of songs, the different versions, the Beltrami arrangements, the Brian May recordings, the nearly complete version of CD from 2002, the different mixes... To most GnR fans this is sort of a holy grail right now. But you also have to realize that the market for this material is extremely small. Basically, members from this forum and maybe some friends of theirs. If you know what I mean. So make it expensive, that's ok. The hardcore fanbase will pay the money anyway. It would be an amazing collection aimed at a select audience. And that's all it should be.

I still think it'd be a great idea to release a multi-disc box set for this. Sort of like Pink Floyd's recent DSOTM and The Wall re-releases. There has to be at least 5 or 6 discs of material that the hardcore fanbase would LOVE.

And then that should be that. End of the CD era and time to move on with the current bandmembers and new ideas.

Close the book on one thing and move forward into another.

It'd be fair to the band and it would be fair to the fans as well.

[amacfantasy]

if music is art than why in the world would an artist not want to release music just because certain players are not in the band anymore? just doesnt make sense in that regard, but also in terms of people knowing about it, only hardcore GNR members will know about the individual songs and if they are old or not, and hell even we probably wouldnt know everything without getting info about unheard of track titles. The most important thing about GNR releasing more albums that i think they should be concerned about is getting the casual GNR/rock fan interested in these albums (mostly people in the USA). You know the people who are well aware of the original GNR and like all there hits but dont really follow what all has gone down since 1993, and perceive Axl as evil person that destroyed the band, those people. And whether the next albums have music from 1996 or 2012 I don't think it will make much a difference to these people, the single most important thing for these people is to see Axl releasing music regularly again and to actually hear his songs played on their local rock stations. I could make the case that if the next new album was new songs with the current band it would actually hurt them more because im almost certain songs created with this current lineup would not be better overall than previous lineups.

[finck6]

I think thats exactly what its going to happen and I hope it happens like this.

Why??

1.- Because the material is a way fucking cool, I love The General, Seven is a materpiece, Jackie Chan will blow our minds,

I really like Soul Monster, Silkworms its an out of the blue tune that will smash our ideas......

2.- Because we wont have to wait for another 13 years. You like decade waitings? not me!

3.- Because the company wont burned all that money already wasted just to release 14 of the 50 tracks plus recorded.

4.- Because its a part of axls life that wont be finish until he releases his whoooole Chinese trilogy. For now, its something incomplete.

5.- Because robin and bucket are a couple of genious that together wrote amazing music that is already re-recorded by the new guys.

6.- Because bumble is just and ordinary guitar shreder, fast yes! but without melody, it doesnt bring your emotions up to surface like Slash or any guitar heore does.

Did u know Bumble before Guns? No, then, he is never been talented enough to create something legendary like Guns did and NEITHER had the Guns Suicide

attiutde to roll it on fire like Guns did.

7.- Because Dj is a cool guy but again, same as Bumble, are you crazy for Nikki Six am records?? Not me, its just OK music but not enough for Guns. Sorry!!

I dont loose my head to buy any of his albums.

MMMM, what elses, do you need more??? hehe

Honestly I think the new guys will have their chance after the third release. Maybe Axl gives them one or two tracks in the secconf so they still motivated with the whole plan

but I think that Robins and Bucket departure has been a total disaster.

Its true Robin live onstage is not ausper guitar player but in studio hes very different

and experimental. I love the song "LOVE SEIGE" from Ghosts of Mars. He really is a studio musician.

For me I hope we can get leftovers from Chinese, I know they are just fucking amazing.

This is my opinion with full respect to yours ok man!!

if this is true. i'm disappointed. robin and bucket have recorded 50 plus unreleased chinese democracy songs. yet, axl won't release in another 13 years? the label won't grow a set and put 14 of them 4 chinese democracy 2 this year?

give me a fucking break

and dj ashba and ronald have no respect for robin finck. yet finck is a studio musician. TIL. Better. SOD. chinese democracy. blood in the water. soulmonster. jackie chan. silkworms. twat. irs. catcher. madagascar. the general. atlas shrugged. this is robin finck. studio musician. robin songs. robin studio work. who the fuck are they? fuckin' nobodies

Edited August 27, 2012 by finck6

[EccoTides]

It is kind of mindboggling how the rest of the CD material hasn't seen the light of day, unless in fact there are lots of legal issues / contract issues, which is understandable.

I'd like to hear The General and Atlas Shrugged most of all. Live or studio versions, it matters not.

[saber_]

Everything is tragic to you people.

[finck6]

It is kind of mindboggling how the rest of the CD material hasn't seen the light of day, unless in fact there are lots of legal issues / contract issues, which is understandable.

I'd like to hear The General and Atlas Shrugged most of all. Live or studio versions, it matters not.

the general and atlas shrugged is robin finck, buckethead, and brain. that's why you don't hear it live at 2012 guns n roses concerts or on itunes as fresh singles

[rosesforcure]

Amen bro!! Thanx you said that.

[SoulMonster]

It'd be different if the likes of BH and Finck were still in the group, but as the band stands today, releasing a new GNR album with songs written by a guitarist who hasn't even been in the band for nearly a decade would just make the current line-up look completely redundant.

I see nothing wrong with using CD-era songs written by Axl, Tommy, Dizzy, Chris or even Paul Tobias (as he has co-written with Axl for years). But I think at least three quarters of the next record should be freshly written material by the current band.

Yeah, I think it is only decent to let the "newcomers" get some song-writing credits on the new record, and I believe it is important for the cohesion of the band.

[finck6]

Amen bro!! Thanx you said that.

amen. amen. dj ashba and ronald r bitter and jealous as fuck that robin finck "studio musician" and buckethead have recorded 50 plus unreleased chinese democracy songs with axl rose, tommy stinson, richard fortus, dizzy reed, chris pittman, and brain in the fucking studio

yet, they're 2 jealous fucks who don't want these ever seeing the light of day on fresh guns n roses albums for the fans 2 purchase because they're not dj ashba or ronald guns n roses unreleased chinese democracy songs

fucking joke

[GUNNER PT]

Anyone else think a new GNR album of CD-era songs would look tragic being released now?

No. Not me ...

[volcano62]

Nobody has heard any of these "CD era" songs so we can't discuss anything about it. Assumptions is not my cup of tea.

[sailaway]

Everything is tragic to you people.

And overplayed Drama.

[Apollo]

It'd be different if the likes of BH and Finck were still in the group, but as the band stands today, releasing a new GNR album with songs written by a guitarist who hasn't even been in the band for nearly a decade would just make the current line-up look completely redundant.

I see nothing wrong with using CD-era songs written by Axl, Tommy, Dizzy, Chris or even Paul Tobias (as he has co-written with Axl for years). But I think at least three quarters of the next record should be freshly written material by the current band.

Agreed, but I still want to hear it.

It's a bit mixed. Yes, it would be silly and in a way respectless to the current guitarists. So maybe thing will be re-recorded or re-written. But still.

I still think the entire 1998-2008 era is a goldmine for GnR fans. The supposed 3 albums worth of songs, the different versions, the Beltrami arrangements, the Brian May recordings, the nearly complete version of CD from 2002, the different mixes... To most GnR fans this is sort of a holy grail right now. But you also have to realize that the market for this material is extremely small. Basically, members from this forum and maybe some friends of theirs. If you know what I mean. So make it expensive, that's ok. The hardcore fanbase will pay the money anyway. It would be an amazing collection aimed at a select audience. And that's all it should be.

I still think it'd be a great idea to release a multi-disc box set for this. Sort of like Pink Floyd's recent DSOTM and The Wall re-releases. There has to be at least 5 or 6 discs of material that the hardcore fanbase would LOVE.

And then that should be that. End of the CD era and time to move on with the current bandmembers and new ideas.

Close the book on one thing and move forward into another.

It'd be fair to the band and it would be fair to the fans as well.

Great post.

So weird how some people act like a rock band's songs are these top secret military weapons that cannot be shared with the world because of who played guitar on them.

Some artists love to share their music - and some don't. Sucks that our favorite singer is in the latter category.

Releasing The General, with Bucket on guitar (or whomever) isn't going to signal the end of the world or the demise of the current band. DJ Ashba is not going to quit the band if Soulmonster is released.

These unreleased songs are not going to cure cancer or releave Axl of his bitterness towards the past.

It is just rock n roll people! Music should be put out there for fans to enjoy! It is weird how secretive Axl is with decade old songs. I know the Nutters will say "It is Axl's art and he can do with it what he wants" and that is fine. But the crazy thing is that at the end of the day, it is JUST a rock n roll song that a singer helped create....and literally MILLIONS of people would love to hear and enjoy it.......... So Axl gets to share his art, gets paid millions, and pleases his fans......band members get paid and get a chance to earn respect for playing their own music......and the fans get new music from their favorite band!!!!! Literally, everybody wins.

My only real complaint with Axl Rose is that it sucks that he doesn't like to share his music with his fans. If I could take control of his career for one year, I'd convince him to release all the old unreleased songs via a box set and to put out a new album by the current band in 2013.......then he can turn back into a music hoarder!!!!

[SoulMonster]

It is just rock n roll people! Music should be put out there for fans to enjoy! It is weird how secretive Axl is with decade old songs. I know the Nutters will say "It is Axl's art and he can do with it what he wants" and that is fine. But the crazy thing is that at the end of the day, it is JUST a rock n roll song that a singer helped create....and literally MILLIONS of people would love to hear and enjoy it.......... So Axl gets to share his art, gets paid millions, and pleases his fans......band members get paid and get a chance to earn respect for playing their own music......and the fans get new music from their favorite band!!!!! Literally, everybody wins.

It hasn't occurred to you - even the slightest - that to Axl this isn't just "rock n roll"? He is obviously not comfortable with releasing music he is not 100 % satisfied with according to whatever absurdly strict criteria and megalomanic vision he is using. So it wouldn't be a win situation for him if it was released prematurely. We both wish he'd be less...anally perfectionist about his music, but obviously he isn't so your whole argument that "it is just rock n roll songs" seems a bit off. It just doesn't matter what it is to you and to me and your conclusion about a win-win is just wrong because you fail to understand how Axl works.

[username]

It is just rock n roll people! Music should be put out there for fans to enjoy! It is weird how secretive Axl is with decade old songs. I know the Nutters will say "It is Axl's art and he can do with it what he wants" and that is fine. But the crazy thing is that at the end of the day, it is JUST a rock n roll song that a singer helped create....and literally MILLIONS of people would love to hear and enjoy it.......... So Axl gets to share his art, gets paid millions, and pleases his fans......band members get paid and get a chance to earn respect for playing their own music......and the fans get new music from their favorite band!!!!! Literally, everybody wins.

It hasn't occurred to you - even the slightest - that to Axl this isn't just "rock n roll"? He is obviously not comfortable with releasing music he is not 100 % satisfied with according to whatever absurdly strict criteria and megalomanic vision he is using. So it wouldn't be a win situation for him if it was released prematurely. We both wish he'd be less...anally perfectionist about his music, but obviously he isn't so your whole argument that "it is just rock n roll songs" seems a bit off. It just doesn't matter what it is to you and to me and your conclusion about a win-win is just wrong because you fail to understand how Axl works.

This is pretty much true. Which kind of brings us to the very core of every current GnR fan's problem - Axl Rose.

I agree with Groghan's just rock and roll argument. I'm sure a lot of people do. But the one person that matters doesn't and that's Axl.

Axl's extremely perfectionistic mentality is the very core of many GnR fans their frustrations. And sadly, I don't see that changing any time soon.