Freddie Mercury's Ghost Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 North American Tour Stats courtesy of Pollstar2002 Top 100 Tours (Source)75. Guns N' RosesGross: 6.5 million dollarsAverage ticket price: $46.72Average tickets sold: 8,660Total tickets sold: 138,564Average gross: $404,611Cities/Shows played: 16/16Booking agency: Creative Artists Agency2006 Top 100 Tours (Source)39. Guns N' RosesGross: 21.6 million dollarsAverage ticket price: $58.91Average tickets sold: 8,730Total tickets sold: 366,649Average gross: $514,286Cities/Shows played: 42/49Booking agency: Creative Artists Agency2010 Top 100 Tours - mid-year (Source)46. Guns N' RosesGross: 6.3 million dollarsAverage ticket price: $74.45Average tickets sold: 6,500Total tickets sold: 84,494Average gross: $483,895Cities/Shows played: 13/13Booking agency: Creative Artists Agency2011 Top 100 Tours (Source)73. Guns N' RosesGross: 11.2 million dollarsAverage ticket price: $52.65Average tickets sold: 6.446Total tickets sold: 212,725Average gross: $339,394Cities/Shows played: 33/35Booking agency: Paradigm2012 Top 100 Tours - mid-year (Source)99. Guns N' RosesGross: 2.6 million dollarsAverage ticket price: $90.63Average tickets sold: 2,050Total tickets sold: 28,706Average gross: $185,839Cities/Shows played: 14/14Booking agency: The Agency GroupInteresting stats:Before the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 8,500-9,000 for arena shows in North America.After the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 6,000-6,500 for arena shows in North America.Why did an average of 2,000-3,000 people stop buying tickets after the album's release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Jesus Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Well you have to look at the economic situation as a factor in this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Interesting stats:Before the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 8,500-9,000 for arena shows in North America.After the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 6,000-6,500 for arena shows in North America.Why did an average of 2,000-3,000 people stop buying tickets after the album's release?Oh so we're not allowed to talk about the rest of the world? Like for example... the South American continent. Oh right, only the United States matters in your myopic worldview. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Mercury's Ghost Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 Interesting stats:Before the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 8,500-9,000 for arena shows in North America.After the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 6,000-6,500 for arena shows in North America.Why did an average of 2,000-3,000 people stop buying tickets after the album's release?Oh so we're not allowed to talk about the rest of the world? Like for example... the South American continent. Oh right, only the United States matters in your myopic worldview. Good luck with that.?This topic is about why attendance dropped off dramatically in the US and Canada. Please stay on-topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Interesting stats:Before the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 8,500-9,000 for arena shows in North America.After the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 6,000-6,500 for arena shows in North America.Why did an average of 2,000-3,000 people stop buying tickets after the album's release?Oh so we're not allowed to talk about the rest of the world? Like for example... the South American continent. Oh right, only the United States matters in your myopic worldview. Good luck with that.?This topic is about why attendance dropped off dramatically in the US and Canada. Please stay on-topic.No, you're stealth trolling (bravo by the way), and I'm exposing what you're doing, which is placing unbalanced emphasis on the United States to make your point. Are you scared to post the world stats? Yes, yes you are. And we both know why. Look, I know you think you're being profound, but we all know that GnR has lost ground in the states. However, there is a great big world out there. And if you're going to try censor my opinions, I might just create a similar thread instead focused on other countries in the world. The U.S. is but one country. Sorry to burst your bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Mercury's Ghost Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 Look, I know you think you're being profound, but we all know that GnR has lost ground in the states. However, there is a great big world out there. And if you're going to try censor my opinions, I might just create a similar thread instead focused on other countries in the world. The U.S. is but one country. Sorry to burst your bubble.Presenting facts and analyzing them isn't trolling. If you're offended by facts, that's not my problem.Pollstar didn't release "Worldwide" Top 50 Tour lists up until a few years ago, so any thread you start would have incomplete data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Jesus Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Interesting stats:Before the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 8,500-9,000 for arena shows in North America.After the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 6,000-6,500 for arena shows in North America.Why did an average of 2,000-3,000 people stop buying tickets after the album's release?Oh so we're not allowed to talk about the rest of the world? Like for example... the South American continent. Oh right, only the United States matters in your myopic worldview. Good luck with that.?This topic is about why attendance dropped off dramatically in the US and Canada. Please stay on-topic.No, you're stealth trolling (bravo by the way), and I'm exposing what you're doing, which is placing unbalanced emphasis on the United States to make your point. Are you scared to post the world stats? Yes, yes you are. And we both know why. Look, I know you think you're being profound, but we all know that GnR has lost ground in the states. However, there is a great big world out there. And if you're going to try censor my opinions, I might just create a similar thread instead focused on other countries in the world. The U.S. is but one country. Sorry to burst your bubble.If the poster is who I think he is. He is the furthest thing from a cupcake. He is legendary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) I'm still waiting for his miraculous answer to his own question, then. Why did the numbers drop IN THE UNITED STATES, praytell? Whatever, Guns n Roses is still touring and still selling tickets. OH I see, he's saying it's not like the glory days? Is... that it? Wellll thank you Captain Obvious! How profound. :eyeroll:I still wish I was allowed to post some stats from South America though, even if it's "just from the last few years." Edited August 26, 2012 by brainsaber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ88 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Interesting stats:Before the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 8,500-9,000 for arena shows in North America.After the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 6,000-6,500 for arena shows in North America.Why did an average of 2,000-3,000 people stop buying tickets after the album's release?Oh so we're not allowed to talk about the rest of the world? Like for example... the South American continent. Oh right, only the United States matters in your myopic worldview. Good luck with that.LOLrelax champ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakey Styley Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Look at those ticket prices increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Look, I know you think you're being profound, but we all know that GnR has lost ground in the states. However, there is a great big world out there. And if you're going to try censor my opinions, I might just create a similar thread instead focused on other countries in the world. The U.S. is but one country. Sorry to burst your bubble.Presenting facts and analyzing them isn't trolling. If you're offended by facts, that's not my problem.Pollstar didn't release "Worldwide" Top 50 Tour lists up until a few years ago, so any thread you start would have incomplete data.GnR is an American based band. They all live in the US.Using America based tour numbers or album sales first makes total sense to somebody who is capable of logical conversation.Once US totals are discussed, then you move in to world totals.OP, thank you for posting the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbirdie76 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) North American Tour Stats courtesy of Pollstar2002 Top 100 Tours (Source)75. Guns N' RosesGross: 6.5 million dollarsAverage ticket price: $46.72Average tickets sold: 8,660Total tickets sold: 138,564Average gross: $404,611Cities/Shows played: 16/16Booking agency: Creative Artists Agency2006 Top 100 Tours (Source)39. Guns N' RosesGross: 21.6 million dollarsAverage ticket price: $58.91Average tickets sold: 8,730Total tickets sold: 366,649Average gross: $514,286Cities/Shows played: 42/49Booking agency: Creative Artists Agency2010 Top 100 Tours - mid-year (Source)46. Guns N' RosesGross: 6.3 million dollarsAverage ticket price: $74.45Average tickets sold: 6,500Total tickets sold: 84,494Average gross: $483,895Cities/Shows played: 13/13Booking agency: Creative Artists Agency2011 Top 100 Tours (Source)73. Guns N' RosesGross: 11.2 million dollarsAverage ticket price: $52.65Average tickets sold: 6.446Total tickets sold: 212,725Average gross: $339,394Cities/Shows played: 33/35Booking agency: Paradigm2012 Top 100 Tours - mid-year (Source)99. Guns N' RosesGross: 2.6 million dollarsAverage ticket price: $90.63Average tickets sold: 2,050Total tickets sold: 28,706Average gross: $185,839Cities/Shows played: 14/14Booking agency: The Agency GroupInteresting stats:Before the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 8,500-9,000 for arena shows in North America.After the release of Chinese Democracy in 2008, NewGNR averaged attendance of 6,000-6,500 for arena shows in North America.Why did an average of 2,000-3,000 people stop buying tickets after the album's release?I know the last time they came through this part of Canada, they didn't even play in Toronto, which is by far the largest audience. They played in Hamilton (industrial town about an hour away) on a weeknight.So if you lived in the city of 3+ million people, and wanted to see them properly (drinking, late night) you had to get a hotel and or take a day off work.I did... but the average concert goer wouldn't, and didn't even know they were in town. If they didn't play in Toronto, they weren't on the radio and news stations with coverage they were coming to town. Edited August 26, 2012 by kbirdie76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiedHands Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 There was a much bigger buzz in '06 (NYC shows, Axl doing some publicity-type stuff, huge festival appearances, etc.), I think everyone was under the assumption that was it, the album was coming out, and it was probably the highlight as far as that time period goes. I don't necessarily think attendance was affected so much by the album coming out, and if so, it was only because the mystery was over. After it was out, it was out, good or bad, whichever way you looked at it. I do think, with a hit song and/or album, the attendance would increase. I've seen junk bands sell out arenas literally because they had one or two radio hits. LMFAO had a very successful run. Enough said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Diet Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Interesting topic.Look at those ticket prices increase. yeah, very expensive, imoEspecially on these yearsNo, you're stealth trolling (bravo by the way), and I'm exposing what you're doing, which is placing unbalanced emphasis on the United States to make your point. Are you scared to post the world stats? Yes, yes you are. And we both know why. Calm down, please.You are the one who trolled on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suckerpunched03 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Brainsaber, are you that sensitive about America being the most important market in the entire world that you can't even allow people to have a rational discussion. This topic started as a specific analysis of the north American tours. Grow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARX77 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 At the end of the day they are still averaging 340k per show. That's not too bad IMO. But to answer your question. I personally think the attendence is down because there isNot alot of promo. In 2002 they had clear channel on board which meant more promo. Plus I think people wanted to see Axl and GnR but the riots, corn rows, bad MTV performance, and cancelled tour really wrecked Axl and GnR to the general American public. I personally think 2011/ 2012 USA tour was good and if they could do more like that the crowds would increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Really cool to see that the attendance was the same in 2010 and is 2011 for the arena shows. Sort of disproves the claim that less and less people in the US are interested. Perhaps around 6,500 per show is the baseline for GN'R doing a greatest hits tour, and if so, I guess the band can tour for a long time EDIT: Or did they tour in different cities? Edited August 27, 2012 by SoulMonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Look at those ticket prices increase.You hit it right on the money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Look at those ticket prices increase.Yes, GN'R is a popular act even when we account for a general increase in ticket prices in the music industry now that album revenues have dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trqster Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Fact #1: No matter what GnR will always be big arenas and small stadiums filling material at most places in the world. Reason? Timeless old album hits AND Mr. Axl fuckin'Rose.Fact #2: Although undeniably the States have offered the world some of the greatest rock bands ever (GnR on the top 5 list), nowadays America only listens and pays attention to shitty music - it's so bad it makes me puke. How could it be that in just a generation Americans got their music taste all fucked up!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Brainsaber, are you that sensitive about America being the most important market in the entire world that you can't even allow people to have a rational discussion. This topic started as a specific analysis of the north American tours. Grow upThe United States represents a small fraction of the world....true story bro.In the rest of the world people don't get wet in their pants for TMZ and Kardashian bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suckerpunched03 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 You can keep marginalizing it all you want. America is the most important market place in the world. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmt Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Brainsaber, are you that sensitive about America being the most important market in the entire world that you can't even allow people to have a rational discussion. This topic started as a specific analysis of the north American tours. Grow upThe United States represents a small fraction of the world....true story bro.In the rest of the world people don't get wet in their pants for TMZ and Kardashian bullshit.Well Its a shame when the band sells less tickets In there home country then they do In any other country, Its kind of like being the hometown fighter and the crowd Is rooting for your opponent, somethings not right with this picture, true story bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 for what it has become, gnr still sells a lot of tickets, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 You can keep marginalizing it all you want. America is the most important market place in the world. Fact.Not "Fact" at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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