Screamin' Demon Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) Does anybody know how many albums Axl owes the record label? All the other hypothetical and theoretical stories aside, if Axl owes the record label at least just one more album then the key figures here are them. To me it seems to make more sense by asking the question of when they can force him to release another album rather than to listen to Axl's stories or that of any of his bandmates. The label did a great job in 2008 by finally stepping the foot down and forcing Axl to release Chinese Democracy and we have them, not Axl, to thank for for the album ever having been released. If they work their magic into it one more time, then we may well have another album B) Edited August 29, 2012 by Screamin' Demon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Zero. Unless Axl renegotiated the original contract (or when it changed hands) it was for 6 albums, the record company usually insists on a live album and greatest hits. AFD, Lies/LLAS, UYI I, UYI II, TSI? & ChiDem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAxlMorrison Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Great idea. Axl LOVES to be told to do things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liers Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 You should realize, axl does what axl wants to do and hates being told what to do. You know why chinese democracy flopped? Because the record company was trying to force a release for 14 years, and when they finally got him to release it, he wanted them to make as little money off of it as possible. That's why there's no videos, no interviews, no live tv performance, no endorsements. Axl will not release his best work if he is being forced to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeryen Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 does it really matter?in axl's word, it goes like this: if he is under contract to do something, it doesn't apply unless he feels like it. If he has people working for him under a contract he has written the terms for, you get sued to hell if you break the contract. so if he owes albums, it doesn't mean anything. it's just rock n roll not to fulfill your contract, even when you've been paid in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcountry Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Does anybody know how many albums Axl owes the record label? All the other hypothetical and theoretical stories aside, if Axl owes the record label at least just one more album then the key figures here are them. To me it seems to make more sense by asking the question of when they can force him to release another album rather than to listen to Axl's stories or that of any of his bandmates. The label did a great job in 2008 by finally stepping the foot down and forcing Axl to release Chinese Democracy and we have them, not Axl, to thank for for the album ever having been released. If they work their magic into it one more time, then we may well have another album B)From what I can remember axl gave the record company CD and said here it is and that was that. That was why no promotion from either side. Not to mention the fucked up lyrics in the booklet. It was just thrown together other than the art work.The record company also rejected CD at least 2 times prior and told Axl to work it over some more and make it better or try a different direction.Then Alzoff was brought in by the record company to manage the band and given his track record for getting bands back together the record company hoped it would happen with GNR also. But I think Alzoff told the label there is zero chance for a reunion for GNR and at that time they started to push for CD to be released and they where given the songs with a big fuck you by not touring or promoting the album by GNR and the record company returned the favor.It could be argued that the whole time they being the record company didn't ever want CD to come and a reunion at all cost. It was a pissing contest and had no clear winner, but the true looser in this was Best Buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocker rockstar Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) "A version of Chinese Democracy was completed and ready to be released in 2000; however, when Roy Thomas Baker was hired, he decided everything (reported to be up to 30 songs) needed re-recording.[21]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_DemocracyI always wondered why Chinese Democracy took so long to get released. I wonder if it came out in 2000 if it would have done better then it did in 2008. With NuMetal being popular in 2000 it may have done better. I guess the record label probably hired Roy Thomas Backer a producer after they rejected the album. Then he wanted them to start over on the record.I wonder if the fact that the album was in a new genre of music compared to the other GNR albums had anything to do with the record company rejecting it. You would think they would know the fans of GNR may not like the new direction. It is shocking enough to change band mates let alone the whole style of the band too. Edited August 29, 2012 by rocker rockstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Why do they even need a label? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Why do they even need a label?It's not that they NEED one, it's that they are contractually bound to one.Ali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Why do they even need a label?It's not that they NEED one, it's that they are contractually bound to one.AliAnd what does the contract say? That they need to keep touring everywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 You should realize, axl does what axl wants to do and hates being told what to do. You know why chinese democracy flopped? Because the record company was trying to force a release for 14 years, and when they finally got him to release it, he wanted them to make as little money off of it as possible. That's why there's no videos, no interviews, no live tv performance, no endorsements. Axl will not release his best work if he is being forced to do it.So his anger is so strong that he'd rather his own album sell less copies just to spite the record label? Talk about cutting your own nose off to spite your face. That is just crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Why do they even need a label?It's not that they NEED one, it's that they are contractually bound to one.AliAnd what does the contract say? That they need to keep touring everywhere?Who exactly said that?Ali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Why do they even need a label?It's not that they NEED one, it's that they are contractually bound to one.AliAnd what does the contract say? That they need to keep touring everywhere?Who exactly said that?AliMy point is, if they're under contract with a record label, wouldn't they be under contract to release a record? What else could the contract possibly say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 "A version of Chinese Democracy was completed and ready to be released in 2000; however, when Roy Thomas Baker was hired, he decided everything (reported to be up to 30 songs) needed re-recording.[21]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_DemocracyI always wondered why Chinese Democracy took so long to get released. I wonder if it came out in 2000 if it would have done better then it did in 2008. With NuMetal being popular in 2000 it may have done better. I guess the record label probably hired Roy Thomas Backer a producer after they rejected the album. Then he wanted them to start over on the record.I wonder if the fact that the album was in a new genre of music compared to the other GNR albums had anything to do with the record company rejecting it. You would think they would know the fans of GNR may not like the new direction. It is shocking enough to change band mates let alone the whole style of the band too.I'm sure if it came down to it, and I'm just going to cut it down to basics: 94-98- writers block, soul searching period. Axl faced humiliation and people close to him died. Band members quit. 98-02 Even though nuGuns might have started with Paul joining, Josh, Tommy, Chris and Robin were the core of GNR, Bucket coming in brought the type of guitar playing the AFD lineup of GNR would've fought hard against. Otherwise, why not just get Yngwie or Jason Becker at the time? RTB AND Bob Ezrin had a needle that they popped in Axl's balloon over the new music. I'm sure everyone Axl knew heard bits of what he was working on, and they gave feedback. To me, would Pete Townshend second guess his music and let people judge? Fuck no! Would Billy Corgan or Trent Reznor? They'd put it out and then deal with the criticism. I think Roy was handed a job to do, he was trying to figure out what Axl wanted, and it was typical "feel of the room" stuff that sometimes is just in someone's head, sometimes it's real. You'd also have to find out what the engineer(s) were thinking at the time of the music, and if their opinions counted. Roy went way overboard on Geffen's dime, and it just seemed like an epic waste of time and money for the band and the label. They might as well have hired Phil Spector, and Axl would've been dealing with a crazy fucker carrying a loaded gun around. 02- present - Having material to work with, but just the overall erraticism that came with Bucket and Axl , the two big lawsuits - Slash and Duff going after Axl as well as the greatest hits, well that killed 2 years right there. 2006 is where they finally got it off the ground, 2008 is where they got the damn thing released, and in 2009, after all of that were able to have a band together to hit the road with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieSheen Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Duff said in his autobiography that when GN'R signed with Geffen in March 1986, they signed a 6 album contract, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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