Screamin' Demon Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) One of the many things that has struck me about this band in regards to their sound is that it has a highly depressive tone to it. After using Audacity to just play around with music a bit, I've noticed that the greatest contributor to such a feeling in all the songs live on Axl's shows is the pitch. If they even raised it by 6-7% it would do most of the songs justice, especially You Could Be Mine which sounds very winded, depressing and more icy cold rather than a hot blooded angry song. Edited September 2, 2012 by Screamin' Demon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Satanisk_Slakt Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 You Could Be Mine is perfect as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Glow Inc. Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 But...if they do that then the instruments are not "in tune" anymore...You...can't....do that...I mean, how do you even manage to recapture that tuning show after show once the song is recorded and its pitch is modified ? HERESY ( unless I don't understand what you mean by "raising the pitch" ) !!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafał Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 But you know that you tune every instrument by halfsteps, not by %, right?It's like if you said that the speed limit should be 3 miles higher.In other words: You can't adjust it by %, as it's impossible to determine which pitch would be 100% and then to determine how to measure x% of that pitch. It just doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screamin' Demon Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 But you know that you tune every instrument by halfsteps, not by %, right?It's like if you said that the speed limit should be 3 miles higher.In other words: You can't adjust it by %, as it's impossible to determine which pitch would be 100% and then to determine how to measure x% of that pitch. It just doesn't make any sense.I haven't worked with guitars before personally. I've only worked with Audacity, an audio editing program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeetarMikey Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 But you know that you tune every instrument by halfsteps, not by %, right?It's like if you said that the speed limit should be 3 miles higher.In other words: You can't adjust it by %, as it's impossible to determine which pitch would be 100% and then to determine how to measure x% of that pitch. It just doesn't make any sense.I haven't worked with guitars before personally. I've only worked with Audacity, an audio editing program.^Exactly. Also, if they drop the pitch of some songs, it's probably so Axl can hit the higher notes a bit easier. Classic GN'R always tuned to a semitone down on record probably for this reason and because it also makes the guitars a bit heavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafał Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 But you know that you tune every instrument by halfsteps, not by %, right?It's like if you said that the speed limit should be 3 miles higher.In other words: You can't adjust it by %, as it's impossible to determine which pitch would be 100% and then to determine how to measure x% of that pitch. It just doesn't make any sense.I haven't worked with guitars before personally. I've only worked with Audacity, an audio editing program.Then I gotta tell you, it doesn't work how you think it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 This makes no sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepfreeze Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Alvin!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jekylhyde Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 They should drop their instruments down a half step, so that they would be down to D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I'm sure in rehearsals, Axl fires off what key he wants the songs in. I'm sure Axl and Chris know all about the %'s, most of GNR know how to edit on a computer, and with much more expensive software. They prob. know the shit still in development that isn't sold in stores. But to do a 2 plus hour set night after night, they're basically doing it around the shape Axl's voice is in prior to the tour, and during the tour, and adjust accordingly. It's the same thing that I've seen Mariah Carey struggle with when I've seen her on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatVin Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I'm sure in rehearsals, Axl fires off what key he wants the songs in. I'm sure Axl and Chris know all about the %'s, most of GNR know how to edit on a computer, and with much more expensive software. They prob. know the shit still in development that isn't sold in stores. But to do a 2 plus hour set night after night, they're basically doing it around the shape Axl's voice is in prior to the tour, and during the tour, and adjust accordingly. It's the same thing that I've seen Mariah Carey struggle with when I've seen her on TV.Oh. God. I just.. It fuckin' does not work this way. They play all the songs in the same pitch not only every night but since they were recorded. In the same pitch they are on the album. If it sounds more muddy or heavy it's because of the equalization not because of changes in the pitch. The fact that you can move pitch by %s in fuckin' audacity doesn't mean it's something that musicians actually use. There is no point in doin' it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon Wolf Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) No GNR song has ever been key changed live afaik. Edited September 2, 2012 by Demon Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 stupid. wouldn't work that way. If there's anything they should do with the tuning is to tune down a half or a hole step just because Axl has such a hard time singing the songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimMorrison4 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I believe all GNR songs were recorded, and played, tuned down a half step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 No GNR song has ever been key changed live afaik.This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prez Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) This I Love was played a whole step lower at the Taipei show. All other performances of TIL have been in the right key. Edited September 3, 2012 by prez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 This I Love was played a whole step lower at the Taipei show. All other performances of TIL have been in the right key. How was I not aware of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 This I Love was played a whole step lower at the Taipei show. All other performances of TIL have been in the right key. How was I not aware of this? I'd rather see examples of GNR tuning down than trying to find examples of lip syncing. A piano tuner would go out of his freaking mind if he was told to tune something .002 percent or some BS like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChineseDemocracy2004 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 No GNR song has ever been key changed live afaik.This.If I remember correctly during a performance of Street of Dreams in 2010/11 Dizzy's piano was in the wrong key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbirdie76 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I believe all GNR songs were recorded, and played, tuned down a half step.Not sure about CD but the old stuff a lot if not all of it is - try playing along in regular tuning, it's off. Lots of bands do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuddy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Hahaha this is a losing thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellyzero Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I believe all GNR songs were recorded, and played, tuned down a half step.Not all. 'Better' is in Drop D. 'TWAT' and 'Sorry' are in standard tuning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eu4ic Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I dont really know the technical aspects of the tone and stuff, but I do hafta there is a kind of depressing airy digitized sound I dont really like live on their guitars. I say this is a winning thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeetarMikey Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I dont really know the technical aspects of the tone and stuff, but I do hafta there is a kind of depressing airy digitized sound I dont really like live on their guitars. I say this is a winning thread.With 3 guitars and 2 keyboards competing in the mix it's no wonder they sound a bit 'digitized'. They probably have to go through a lot of processors/compression in their rigs and through the soundboard to get them to sit right in the mix. Then again, this is only conjecture on my part of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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