SoulMonster Posted September 6, 2012 Posted September 6, 2012 Astrology is very real and almost scientific in its approach. It is probably the best tool available to understand yourself or others. Those who say it's bullshit should really go research the topic before throwing your opinion out there.Except for the fact that it consistently fails to show effectiveness in controlled studies and hence is not supported by empirical evidence, nor has any naturalistic, plausible mechanism, then yes, it is "almost scientific in its approach". Moreover, it is also in direct contradiction with established scientific theories that are supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence. In short, a belief in astrology relies on ignorance and/or stupidity.
Nick83 Posted September 6, 2012 Posted September 6, 2012 Oh shut up with your controlled studies and empirical bullshit.
loko Posted September 6, 2012 Posted September 6, 2012 Oh shut up with your controlled studies and empirical bullshit.
sailaway Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 William(Axl) is a high school drop out, uneducated, ... So yes, he is prone to stupid shit.And has accomplished more than you ever will Astrology is very real and almost scientific in its approach. It is probably the best tool available to understand yourself or others. Those who say it's bullshit should really go research the topic before throwing your opinion out there.A great deal of natural instances,can't be explained away by science alone.
SoulMonster Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 A great deal of natural instances,can't be explained away by science alone.Can you name some?
sailaway Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 A great deal of natural instances,can't be explained away by science alone.Can you name some? Precognition,synchronicity,the creative mind,reincarnation,numerology,crib death,how magnetic fields affect some more than others,auras, for a few.Feeedom of beliefs/religion is a wonderful thing- it allows you to assume that the human race has everything solved,and allows me to pursue my spiritual leadings with no interference from the government.No point in arguing,you have your beliefs,I have mine and we co-exist.
SoulMonster Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 A great deal of natural instances,can't be explained away by science alone.Can you name some? Precognition,synchronicity,the creative mind,reincarnation,numerology,crib death,how magnetic fields affect some more than others,auras, for a few.I don't know what 'synchronicity' is. Creativity is explained by science, crib death is halfway explained by science and there's nothing about that says it won't be fully explained as we study it more, and whether or not magnetic fields' affect on living tissue is explained today I don't know, but there is nothing supernatural about how different kinds of fields may affect living matter, e.g. birds navigate by fields. Reincarnation, recognition, numerology and auras are just humbug.
HisRoyalSweetness Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 if axl has trusted astrology to guide his career, then that's all the scientific proof i need to conclude that astrology doesn't work. now magic crystals from yoda in sedona... now that's an entirely different story.sometimes i wonder if that TSA agent had never touched axl's magical yoda crystals, if nugnr could have turned out differently.
sailaway Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 A great deal of natural instances,can't be explained away by science alone.Can you name some? Precognition,synchronicity,the creative mind,reincarnation,numerology,crib death,how magnetic fields affect some more than others,auras, for a few.I don't know what 'synchronicity' is. Creativity is explained by science, crib death is halfway explained by science and there's nothing about that says it won't be fully explained as we study it more, and whether or not magnetic fields' affect on living tissue is explained today I don't know, but there is nothing supernatural about how different kinds of fields may affect living matter, e.g. birds navigate by fields. Reincarnation, recognition, numerology and auras are just humbug.You are entitled to your beliefs,just as I am mine. I'm not so arrogant to think that in this entire universe,man is the most intelligent creature,but again I'm a proponent of secular humanism to a point,so I am a bit conflicted.
SoulMonster Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 You are entitled to your beliefs,just as I am mine.No one has said otherwise. Harping on this non-issue is just a distraction. Adults believing in Santa Clause are allowed their wacky beliefs, too.I'm not so arrogant to think that in this entire universe,man is the most intelligent creature,Of course there could be some aliens out there more intelligent than us. Nothing controversial in that.but again I'm a proponent of secular humanism to a point,so I am a bit conflicted.It's easy: discard all beliefs that are unfounded and stick with those that has some rational explanation and is supported by evidence. And voila, you will be conflicted no more.
The Linguini Occurrence Posted September 7, 2012 Author Posted September 7, 2012 Axl paid $72,000 for an exorcism.Oh, so THAT is how Axl finally got Slash out of his ass
Chris 55 Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 William(Axl) is a high school drop out, uneducated, ... So yes, he is prone to stupid shit.And has accomplished more than you ever will Rather childish response
sailaway Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 William(Axl) is a high school drop out, uneducated, ... So yes, he is prone to stupid shit.And has accomplished more than you ever will Rather childish responseOh,that must have hit home. I was attempting to converse with you on your level.
sailaway Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 You are entitled to your beliefs,just as I am mine.No one has said otherwise. Harping on this non-issue is just a distraction. Adults believing in Santa Clause are allowed their wacky beliefs, too.I'm not so arrogant to think that in this entire universe,man is the most intelligent creature,Of course there could be some aliens out there more intelligent than us. Nothing controversial in that.but again I'm a proponent of secular humanism to a point,so I am a bit conflicted.It's easy: discard all beliefs that are unfounded and stick with those that has some rational explanation and is supported by evidence. And voila, you will be conflicted no more.We each have our own roads to follow,my system doesn't work for you and your system won't work for me.I suspect we lead very different lives,not that diversity is an undesirable thing.Thank you for sharing
SoulMonster Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 We each have our own roads to follow,my system doesn't work for you and your system won't work for me.Why wouldn't logics, rationality and sense work for you?
sailaway Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 We each have our own roads to follow,my system doesn't work for you and your system won't work for me.Why wouldn't logics, rationality and sense work for you?Mainly because I steer my ship by my feelings,convictions,heart and soul over someone else's personal convictions.Let's not hijack this topic.
SoulMonster Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 We each have our own roads to follow,my system doesn't work for you and your system won't work for me.Why wouldn't logics, rationality and sense work for you?Mainly because I steer my ship by my feelings,convictions,heart and soul over someone else's personal convictions.So if you felt that the Earth was flat you wouldn't let this conviction be influenced by the large body of other peoples' observations to the contrary as well as the numerous evidence from science that says otherwise? Just like when you feel that reincarnation must be true then you won't let this conviction of yours be in anyway affected by the complete absence of supporting evidence? That's horrible. With that absurd approach to life there's no end to what you won't be able to fool yourself into believing. Or what you might try to fool others into believing. Scary shit. I don't feel, I don't have convictions, I rarely let my heart overrule my mind, and I definitely don't have a soul which prevents me from seeing the world like it is. There's no drapes before my eyes. I don't claim to know everything, but what I do claim to know I actually do know and not just believe, because what I know is supported by a sufficient amount of scientific evidence. Never putting trust in anything but to what has been proven to be true, is not a conviction -- it is the only sensible way to live. It is also the same thing you do -- which is why you surely accept that planes fly, that magnets work, that gravity exists, etc, expect that you ALSO decide to add the irrational belief in stuff that is not supported by any evidence at all. Why on earth you do this is hard to say, it could be that you are too ignorant to understand these things and hence actually believe it is sensible to believe in stupid shit or because you have some psychological reason to not relate to the world as it is but to your own twisted version of the world filled with magical things like reincarnation, unicorns, souls and angels. It is sad really, because the world is amazing and beautiful enough without the need to go around and believing in fairies, souls, gods, ghosts and whatnot.
sailaway Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 We each have our own roads to follow,my system doesn't work for you and your system won't work for me.Why wouldn't logics, rationality and sense work for you?Mainly because I steer my ship by my feelings,convictions,heart and soul over someone else's personal convictions.So if you felt that the Earth was flat you wouldn't let this conviction be influenced by the large body of other peoples' observations to the contrary as well as the numerous evidence from science that says otherwise? Just like when you feel that reincarnation must be true then you won't let this conviction of yours be in anyway affected by the complete absence of supporting evidence? That's horrible. With that absurd approach to life there's no end to what you won't be able to fool yourself into believing. Or what you might try to fool others into believing. Scary shit. I don't feel, I don't have convictions, I rarely let my heart overrule my mind, and I definitely don't have a soul which prevents me from seeing the world like it is. There's no drapes before my eyes. I don't claim to know everything, but what I do claim to know I actually do know and not just believe, because what I know is supported by a sufficient amount of scientific evidence. Never putting trust in anything but to what has been proven to be true, is not a conviction -- it is the only sensible way to live. It is also the same thing you do -- which is why you surely accept that planes fly, that magnets work, that gravity exists, etc, expect that you ALSO decide to add the irrational belief in stuff that is not supported by any evidence at all. Why on earth you do this is hard to say, it could be that you are too ignorant to understand these things and hence actually believe it is sensible to believe in stupid shit or because you have some psychological reason to not relate to the world as it is but to your own twisted version of the world filled with magical things like reincarnation, unicorns, souls and angels. It is sad really, because the world is amazing and beautiful enough without the need to go around and believing in fairies, souls, gods, ghosts and whatnot.Those are your opinions,I happen to believe a bit differently and although your beliefs may serve you well,I prefer to stick with mine. I'm far from ignorant,as you so tactlessly suggested,and have found truth in many different places.Another amazing thing about the world is in America we are free to believe what we choose to,Free Will is not only a great Rush song,but a great concept.
SoulMonster Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 We each have our own roads to follow,my system doesn't work for you and your system won't work for me.Why wouldn't logics, rationality and sense work for you?Mainly because I steer my ship by my feelings,convictions,heart and soul over someone else's personal convictions.So if you felt that the Earth was flat you wouldn't let this conviction be influenced by the large body of other peoples' observations to the contrary as well as the numerous evidence from science that says otherwise? Just like when you feel that reincarnation must be true then you won't let this conviction of yours be in anyway affected by the complete absence of supporting evidence? That's horrible. With that absurd approach to life there's no end to what you won't be able to fool yourself into believing. Or what you might try to fool others into believing. Scary shit. I don't feel, I don't have convictions, I rarely let my heart overrule my mind, and I definitely don't have a soul which prevents me from seeing the world like it is. There's no drapes before my eyes. I don't claim to know everything, but what I do claim to know I actually do know and not just believe, because what I know is supported by a sufficient amount of scientific evidence. Never putting trust in anything but to what has been proven to be true, is not a conviction -- it is the only sensible way to live. It is also the same thing you do -- which is why you surely accept that planes fly, that magnets work, that gravity exists, etc, expect that you ALSO decide to add the irrational belief in stuff that is not supported by any evidence at all. Why on earth you do this is hard to say, it could be that you are too ignorant to understand these things and hence actually believe it is sensible to believe in stupid shit or because you have some psychological reason to not relate to the world as it is but to your own twisted version of the world filled with magical things like reincarnation, unicorns, souls and angels. It is sad really, because the world is amazing and beautiful enough without the need to go around and believing in fairies, souls, gods, ghosts and whatnot.Those are your opinions,I happen to believe a bit differently and although your beliefs may serve you well,I prefer to stick with mine. I'm far from ignorant,as you so tactlessly suggested,and have found truth in many different places.Another amazing thing about the world is in America we are free to believe what we choose to,Free Will is not only a great Rush song,but a great concept.It is not only my opinion that evidence is crucial to knowledge, it is a notion shared by most human beings, especially the intelligent ones. This understanding is the starting point for the amazing collective project of humankind: to methodically and carefully dissect, analyse, study and understand the world that surrounds us. Our accumulated knowledge - which again leads to all our amazing technological triumphs - is a direct result of this scientific endeavour, our greatest accomplishment. To refer to this as a mere "belief", like as if our understanding of how to obtain knowledge could be rejected at any time, is just silly. We know that the scientific method is the most reliable way of obtaining knowledge, not only because of reasons of epistemology, but because of the massive amounts of success from this methods compared to the utter failures of utter methods like spiritual divination, soothsaying, dreaming, etc. The fact that you don't understand this actually proves that you are ignorant.
AxlRose14 Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 Axl paid $72,000 for an exorcism.Oh, so THAT is how Axl finally got Slash out of his ass lmao.
sailaway Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 We each have our own roads to follow,my system doesn't work for you and your system won't work for me.Why wouldn't logics, rationality and sense work for you?Mainly because I steer my ship by my feelings,convictions,heart and soul over someone else's personal convictions.So if you felt that the Earth was flat you wouldn't let this conviction be influenced by the large body of other peoples' observations to the contrary as well as the numerous evidence from science that says otherwise? Just like when you feel that reincarnation must be true then you won't let this conviction of yours be in anyway affected by the complete absence of supporting evidence? That's horrible. With that absurd approach to life there's no end to what you won't be able to fool yourself into believing. Or what you might try to fool others into believing. Scary shit. I don't feel, I don't have convictions, I rarely let my heart overrule my mind, and I definitely don't have a soul which prevents me from seeing the world like it is. There's no drapes before my eyes. I don't claim to know everything, but what I do claim to know I actually do know and not just believe, because what I know is supported by a sufficient amount of scientific evidence. Never putting trust in anything but to what has been proven to be true, is not a conviction -- it is the only sensible way to live. It is also the same thing you do -- which is why you surely accept that planes fly, that magnets work, that gravity exists, etc, expect that you ALSO decide to add the irrational belief in stuff that is not supported by any evidence at all. Why on earth you do this is hard to say, it could be that you are too ignorant to understand these things and hence actually believe it is sensible to believe in stupid shit or because you have some psychological reason to not relate to the world as it is but to your own twisted version of the world filled with magical things like reincarnation, unicorns, souls and angels. It is sad really, because the world is amazing and beautiful enough without the need to go around and believing in fairies, souls, gods, ghosts and whatnot.Those are your opinions,I happen to believe a bit differently and although your beliefs may serve you well,I prefer to stick with mine. I'm far from ignorant,as you so tactlessly suggested,and have found truth in many different places.Another amazing thing about the world is in America we are free to believe what we choose to,Free Will is not only a great Rush song,but a great concept.It is not only my opinion that evidence is crucial to knowledge, it is a notion shared by most human beings, especially the intelligent ones. This understanding is the starting point for the amazing collective project of humankind: to methodically and carefully dissect, analyse, study and understand the world that surrounds us. Our accumulated knowledge - which again leads to all our amazing technological triumphs - is a direct result of this scientific endeavour, our greatest accomplishment. To refer to this as a mere "belief", like as if our understanding of how to obtain knowledge could be rejected at any time, is just silly. We know that the scientific method is the most reliable way of obtaining knowledge, not only because of reasons of epistemology, but because of the massive amounts of success from this methods compared to the utter failures of utter methods like spiritual divination, soothsaying, dreaming, etc. The fact that you don't understand this actually proves that you are ignorant.No,what it proves is you are intolerant and try to force your mindset down everybody's throat,hell you are more biased and judgemental than some whacked out right wing Christians I know.You must be the arithmatic man,you add trouble,subtract pleasure and multiply intolerant ignorance.Don't know where you live,but I live in a country that allows me to believe as I wish.I'm actually impressed,seldom see such a small mind in such a big head.
Roky Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) astrology is for idiots Edited September 9, 2012 by Roky
sailaway Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 astrology is for idiotsIf you want to label people,call names please take it to "Attitude"Thank you
Roky Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 astrology is for idiotsIf you want to label people,call names please take it to "Attitude"Thank you haha, political correctness strikes againfunny coming from someone like you, wc
SoulMonster Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 We each have our own roads to follow,my system doesn't work for you and your system won't work for me.Why wouldn't logics, rationality and sense work for you?Mainly because I steer my ship by my feelings,convictions,heart and soul over someone else's personal convictions.So if you felt that the Earth was flat you wouldn't let this conviction be influenced by the large body of other peoples' observations to the contrary as well as the numerous evidence from science that says otherwise? Just like when you feel that reincarnation must be true then you won't let this conviction of yours be in anyway affected by the complete absence of supporting evidence? That's horrible. With that absurd approach to life there's no end to what you won't be able to fool yourself into believing. Or what you might try to fool others into believing. Scary shit. I don't feel, I don't have convictions, I rarely let my heart overrule my mind, and I definitely don't have a soul which prevents me from seeing the world like it is. There's no drapes before my eyes. I don't claim to know everything, but what I do claim to know I actually do know and not just believe, because what I know is supported by a sufficient amount of scientific evidence. Never putting trust in anything but to what has been proven to be true, is not a conviction -- it is the only sensible way to live. It is also the same thing you do -- which is why you surely accept that planes fly, that magnets work, that gravity exists, etc, expect that you ALSO decide to add the irrational belief in stuff that is not supported by any evidence at all. Why on earth you do this is hard to say, it could be that you are too ignorant to understand these things and hence actually believe it is sensible to believe in stupid shit or because you have some psychological reason to not relate to the world as it is but to your own twisted version of the world filled with magical things like reincarnation, unicorns, souls and angels. It is sad really, because the world is amazing and beautiful enough without the need to go around and believing in fairies, souls, gods, ghosts and whatnot.Those are your opinions,I happen to believe a bit differently and although your beliefs may serve you well,I prefer to stick with mine. I'm far from ignorant,as you so tactlessly suggested,and have found truth in many different places.Another amazing thing about the world is in America we are free to believe what we choose to,Free Will is not only a great Rush song,but a great concept.It is not only my opinion that evidence is crucial to knowledge, it is a notion shared by most human beings, especially the intelligent ones. This understanding is the starting point for the amazing collective project of humankind: to methodically and carefully dissect, analyse, study and understand the world that surrounds us. Our accumulated knowledge - which again leads to all our amazing technological triumphs - is a direct result of this scientific endeavour, our greatest accomplishment. To refer to this as a mere "belief", like as if our understanding of how to obtain knowledge could be rejected at any time, is just silly. We know that the scientific method is the most reliable way of obtaining knowledge, not only because of reasons of epistemology, but because of the massive amounts of success from this methods compared to the utter failures of utter methods like spiritual divination, soothsaying, dreaming, etc. The fact that you don't understand this actually proves that you are ignorant.No,what it proves is you are intolerant and try to force your mindset down everybody's throat,hell you are more biased and judgemental than some whacked out right wing Christians I know.You must be the arithmatic man,you add trouble,subtract pleasure and multiply intolerant ignorance.Don't know where you live,but I live in a country that allows me to believe as I wish.I'm actually impressed,seldom see such a small mind in such a big head. I don't know why stating the obviousness of trusting evidence rather than spiritual revelation is considered by you to be "forcing my mindset", but I guess that is what one must expect from someone so inclined as to believe in just about any silliness ever imagined by man. Accuracy in analysing someone is not exactly a trait I expect from you.And again I don't know why you revert to the non-issue of religious freedom. As far as I know, no one is interested in limiting your freedom to believe in crap, and neither am I. But an important facet of our culture is that when you claim to believe in crap then people might oppose those beliefs. The ensuing discussion is important, because it helps us to calibrate our views, it helps us to refine our opinions. So when I encounter people who have been brainwashed into believing in things for which absolutely no evidence exist, like Santa Clause, teapots in orbit round stellar objects, unicorns, the soul, gods and elves, then I have usually no qualms of pointing out how irrational that is. I understand that a defence mechanism from your side would be to try to make this a case of someone attacking your freedom to believe in crap. But it isn't. It is just that you have no arguments for why you should believe in nonsense and hence you attack that particular straw man.More sadly is your many attacks on me as a person, although that is also quite frequent among people who have lost the argument. The only thing I have said about you is that you believe in irrational things and that you hence are ignorant and/or stupid. I mean, you could define ignorance and stupidity as the propensity for believing in nonsense, so I don't see what your problem is. If you disagree with being called ignorant and /or stupid the you would just have to argue that your beliefs are actually founded on rationality. It's that easy. No need to describe me as having a small mind, wanting to limit your freedom to be ignorant, suggest my life is less filled with joy than yours, that I am biased, judgemental and intolerant - yet, sadly, this is quite typical knee-jerk reaction from people who feel their ridiculous belief are under threat, it is not like they can defend their beliefs any other way.
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