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[bigcountry]

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Women behind SCOM

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[Snowmass]

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Women behind SCOM

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Just read it myself. Waiting for the "she asked for it (beatings)" people to opine. Beautiful gal then and still is. Glad she moved on from Axl (beatings).

[bigcountry]

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Edited September 4, 2012 by bigcountry

[Dariablue]

Thanks for posting that! Erin.

[siraddam]

I read a quote recently from Jarmo in the HTGTH website that said he supports Axl in everything he does. Wonder if he supports this kind of thing too? Axl gets off pretty lightly from this type of past behaviour. Beating a women until she was in hospital. Why wasn't he jailed?

[Dariablue]

I wish she would have kept modeling. She is so pretty. Her modeling pictures are amazing.

[Axl_morris]

This was briefly touched on in the UK 'sun' newpaper, today, big pic of Axl, in the category of 'odd couples'.

Thing is, it's not really news and I bet all this coming out is just awkward for both Axl and Erin. It's no wonder he avoids interviews with the press.

Edited September 4, 2012 by Axl_morris

[dalsh327]

This was briefly touched on in the UK 'sun' newpaper, today, big pic of Axl, in the category of 'odd couples'.

Thing is, it's not really news and I bet all this coming out is just awkward for both Axl and Erin. It's no wonder he avoids interviews with the press.

The stuff never goes away. It gets forgotten for a while, but it always comes back.

The only "news" is her being spotted at a GNR concert, and the unknown is whether or not Axl's talked to her since the mid 90s. They both have every right not to talk about the past, but there will continue to be documentaries and books on the band.

[saber_]

Here is the link

Women behind SCOM

It is the top story on there scroll of new

Just read it myself. Waiting for the "she asked for it (beatings)" people to opine. Beautiful gal then and still is. Glad she moved on from Axl (beatings).

I just can't wait until you move on from Axl, but sadly it seems you're going to hang around forever, spreading your "joy" to the rest of us. Bravo.

[Freddie Mercury's Ghost]

The fucked up thing I thought after reading that article:

I wonder if Axl beating Erin caused her to miscarry

[Apollo]

Here is the link

Women behind SCOM

It is the top story on there scroll of new

Just read it myself. Waiting for the "she asked for it (beatings)" people to opine. Beautiful gal then and still is. Glad she moved on from Axl (beatings).

I just can't wait until you move on from Axl, but sadly it seems you're going to hang around forever, spreading your "joy" to the rest of us. Bravo.

Is beating your woman more accepted in South America?

[saber_]

Here is the link

Women behind SCOM

It is the top story on there scroll of new

Just read it myself. Waiting for the "she asked for it (beatings)" people to opine. Beautiful gal then and still is. Glad she moved on from Axl (beatings).

I just can't wait until you move on from Axl, but sadly it seems you're going to hang around forever, spreading your "joy" to the rest of us. Bravo.

Is beating your woman more accepted in South America?

What no mention of "nutters"? Because as everyone knows, your posting history can easily be read by just searching for the term "nutters". True story.

Like I said before, some of you come here just so you can tell the rest of us how you disapprove of Axl. In every single thread. I just wish you'd move on and leave, no offense. But you just can't seem to let go, can you? I come here to discuss the band as it is. You come here to rant and rave about people who you label "nutters"... which for some unique reason doesn't include yourself.

Carry on.

[Angelica]

Thanks for posting that! Erin.

[vaida]

Everly says Rose took out his feelings of pressure on her, often abusing her in public in front of friends and acquaintances.

Nice. Axl went on to do the same to thenext one too..

[sailaway]

Excerpt from Chinese Whispers

THE TRUTH ABOUT ERIN EVERLY

The daughter of the Everly Brothers’ Don Everly, Erin met Axl Rose in 1986. Soon after, Axl wrote his unusually tender and sentimental lyrics for “Sweet Child O’ Mine” about her (“She’s got eyes of the bluest skies/ As if they thought of rain/I hate to look into those eyes/And see an ounce of pain”). There was a whole heap of pain in the relationship. Both Axl and Erin had dysfunctional family backgrounds, and tensions between them spilled over into public arguments and violent spats. They were married in April 1990; Everly later claimed that she accepted Axl’s proposal only after he came to her house at 4 A.M., claiming he had a gun in his car and would kill himself if she didn’t marry him. The inevitable split came the following year, with Erin alleging that Axl severely abused her. She filed a lawsuit against him in 1994 and eventually settled out of court.

As Guns N’ Roses’ A&R man, confidant and fixer, Tom Zutaut was often dragged into Axl’s domestic disputes. “I’d get a phone call from Axl basically saying, ‘I need your help. You’ve gotta come over here right now!’ So I would go over there, and they’d be screaming at each other, and I would take Erin back to my house with my pregnant wife, and we would look after Erin. Chill ’em out. And a few hours later, or maybe the next day, Axl would ring and say, ‘Okay, I’m good now. Bring her back.’ Then I would take Erin back. This happened more times than you can imagine.”

In 1994, an anonymous friend of Rose told People magazine, “Erin portrays herself as a victim and him as the evil aggressor. From what I witnessed, she was the aggressor.” Zutaut agreed that sometimes Everly deliberately enraged Axl. Eventually, he decided to confront her about it.

“I said to her, ‘A lot of kids can’t help repeating what they grew up with. But we have to try and learn from our parents and do better. I’m not gonna sit here and have you blame everything on Axl anymore, because the truth is that if you wanted to get out of this cycle, you could. But it requires you to leave him, or it requires you to stop blaming him. I mean, you guys need to go into therapy or something.’ ”

Her reaction took Zutaut by surprise. “She got really mad at me,” he says. “So her response was to go back to Axl and claim that I hit on her.” Axl believed Everly. “It put this personal distrust between Axl and I,” Zutaut says.

Rose’s relationships, in general, were disintegrating. He was slowly drifting apart from the band members. Zutaut recalls that, during the making of Guns N’ Roses’ debut, Appetite for Destruction, “songwriting and recording was a collaborative process that involved everybody.” But beginning with the Use Your Illusion albums, recorded over 1990 and 1991, “the band did their stuff and then Axl came in and put the frosting on the cake,” he says. “He worked in his own time, and no one was really allowed to be in the studio when Axl was there.”

But when it came to finishing the records, Rose couldn’t do everything by himself. Zutaut was vacationing in Hawaii when he received a call from the singer requesting his help with the mixes for Use Your Illusion. “He actually apologized to me and said, ‘Look, in spite of this thing that happened with Erin—whether you did it or you didn’t—there’s no one I trust with the sound and the vibe of Guns N’ Roses more than you. Other than myself, no one gets it but you. I can’t finish this record without your help. I need you now.’ ”

Edited September 5, 2012 by sailaway

[dude69]

Here is an article from 1994 discussing Axl's "alleged" abuse of Everly and Stephanie Seymour. It doesn't paint a very pretty picture of Axl:

People Magazine Axl Article

We have seen the "Sweet Child O' Die" graffiti photos that support his abusive behavior...two women accused him of beating them...it definitely seems like Axl was a pretty screwed up guy.

I also found this interesting in the article:

"Now waging legal battles on at least two fronts, Rose reportedly plans to take time off from Guns N' Roses, whose last album, The Spaghetti Incident, sold far less than its predecessors and whose fortunes appear to be fading."

Boy was that correct. Eighteen years later and they have put out 1 album.......I remember reading the article at the time and thinking what a ridiculous negative spin that was. It turned out to be spot on.

All of this reminds me that people seem to make a lot of excuses for Axl, but at some point when everyone around you runs away there might be something wrong.

Here is the famous "Sweet Child O' Die" photograph that the neighbor took of one of Axl's tirades....pretty much the behavior of a controlling abuser....

Sweet Child O' Die

Edited September 5, 2012 by dude69

[Guest Satanisk_Slakt]

Very interesting read. While Axl was never convicted for the abuse, I can't see why either Erin or Stephanie would care to make up lies about this. I've no doubt he did all of it and it's sad and tragic that there are people defending Axl in this, when it most definitely did happen.

[volcano62]

Excerpt from Chinese Whispers

THE TRUTH ABOUT ERIN EVERLY

The daughter of the Everly Brothers’ Don Everly, Erin met Axl Rose in 1986. Soon after, Axl wrote his unusually tender and sentimental lyrics for “Sweet Child O’ Mine” about her (“She’s got eyes of the bluest skies/ As if they thought of rain/I hate to look into those eyes/And see an ounce of pain”). There was a whole heap of pain in the relationship. Both Axl and Erin had dysfunctional family backgrounds, and tensions between them spilled over into public arguments and violent spats. They were married in April 1990; Everly later claimed that she accepted Axl’s proposal only after he came to her house at 4 A.M., claiming he had a gun in his car and would kill himself if she didn’t marry him. The inevitable split came the following year, with Erin alleging that Axl severely abused her. She filed a lawsuit against him in 1994 and eventually settled out of court.

As Guns N’ Roses’ A&R man, confidant and fixer, Tom Zutaut was often dragged into Axl’s domestic disputes. “I’d get a phone call from Axl basically saying, ‘I need your help. You’ve gotta come over here right now!’ So I would go over there, and they’d be screaming at each other, and I would take Erin back to my house with my pregnant wife, and we would look after Erin. Chill ’em out. And a few hours later, or maybe the next day, Axl would ring and say, ‘Okay, I’m good now. Bring her back.’ Then I would take Erin back. This happened more times than you can imagine.”

In 1994, an anonymous friend of Rose told People magazine, “Erin portrays herself as a victim and him as the evil aggressor. From what I witnessed, she was the aggressor.” Zutaut agreed that sometimes Everly deliberately enraged Axl. Eventually, he decided to confront her about it.

“I said to her, ‘A lot of kids can’t help repeating what they grew up with. But we have to try and learn from our parents and do better. I’m not gonna sit here and have you blame everything on Axl anymore, because the truth is that if you wanted to get out of this cycle, you could. But it requires you to leave him, or it requires you to stop blaming him. I mean, you guys need to go into therapy or something.’ ”

Her reaction took Zutaut by surprise. “She got really mad at me,” he says. “So her response was to go back to Axl and claim that I hit on her.” Axl believed Everly. “It put this personal distrust between Axl and I,” Zutaut says.

Rose’s relationships, in general, were disintegrating. He was slowly drifting apart from the band members. Zutaut recalls that, during the making of Guns N’ Roses’ debut, Appetite for Destruction, “songwriting and recording was a collaborative process that involved everybody.” But beginning with the Use Your Illusion albums, recorded over 1990 and 1991, “the band did their stuff and then Axl came in and put the frosting on the cake,” he says. “He worked in his own time, and no one was really allowed to be in the studio when Axl was there.”

But when it came to finishing the records, Rose couldn’t do everything by himself. Zutaut was vacationing in Hawaii when he received a call from the singer requesting his help with the mixes for Use Your Illusion. “He actually apologized to me and said, ‘Look, in spite of this thing that happened with Erin—whether you did it or you didn’t—there’s no one I trust with the sound and the vibe of Guns N’ Roses more than you. Other than myself, no one gets it but you. I can’t finish this record without your help. I need you now.’ ”

Thanks for that! i need to read the Whispers again when i get a chance.

[AXL_N_DIZZY]

Well- I feel as if we've never understood fully what was going on in either the Rose-Everly or Rose-Seymour relationships. Clearly lots of hormones, lots of pressure and immature, damaged young people ill-equipped to handle it all.

At the very least, hopefully Axl and those around him have helped him work through HIS issues. It is at least some sort of "silver lining" to me that 18 years later there have been no further allegations (that anyone's aware of anyway). Always thought the thrust of that People article was that Axl was an "OJ Simpson waiting to happen". Thank God that didn't turn out to be the case. Interesting as well that there was not a word about any of this in People's more recent feature on Axl (i.e. Lana Del Ray, RNRHOF, etc.)...

[siraddam]

apart from the allegations from Stephanie Seymour that he did the same thing to her. Since then he hasn't had a 'relationship' that I've heard about.

[AXL_N_DIZZY]

apart from the allegations from Stephanie Seymour that he did the same thing to her. Since then he hasn't had a 'relationship' that I've heard about.

That's true. I think at the time of the '94 People article he was with Guess jeans model ("Since I Don't Have You" video) Jennifer Driver (actually the most attractive woman I think he's ever been with) and nothing in the way of allegations seemed to come out of that. He also seemed to be palling around with Christie Turlington and a few other "model types" post-Stephanie too. Then- as we all know- he basically just disappeared... No issues (again- as far as we know) since he's been back in the public eye though... Hopefully that's a good sign- though- as you correctly point out- very little evidence of him in serious relationships with anybody post '93.

Who knows- maybe at this stage in his life he's determined that "low-maintenance" is the way to go and sets off far fewer triggers for him, etc.

[sailaway]

Excerpt from Chinese Whispers

THE TRUTH ABOUT ERIN EVERLY

The daughter of the Everly Brothers’ Don Everly, Erin met Axl Rose in 1986. Soon after, Axl wrote his unusually tender and sentimental lyrics for “Sweet Child O’ Mine” about her (“She’s got eyes of the bluest skies/ As if they thought of rain/I hate to look into those eyes/And see an ounce of pain”). There was a whole heap of pain in the relationship. Both Axl and Erin had dysfunctional family backgrounds, and tensions between them spilled over into public arguments and violent spats. They were married in April 1990; Everly later claimed that she accepted Axl’s proposal only after he came to her house at 4 A.M., claiming he had a gun in his car and would kill himself if she didn’t marry him. The inevitable split came the following year, with Erin alleging that Axl severely abused her. She filed a lawsuit against him in 1994 and eventually settled out of court.

As Guns N’ Roses’ A&R man, confidant and fixer, Tom Zutaut was often dragged into Axl’s domestic disputes. “I’d get a phone call from Axl basically saying, ‘I need your help. You’ve gotta come over here right now!’ So I would go over there, and they’d be screaming at each other, and I would take Erin back to my house with my pregnant wife, and we would look after Erin. Chill ’em out. And a few hours later, or maybe the next day, Axl would ring and say, ‘Okay, I’m good now. Bring her back.’ Then I would take Erin back. This happened more times than you can imagine.”

In 1994, an anonymous friend of Rose told People magazine, “Erin portrays herself as a victim and him as the evil aggressor. From what I witnessed, she was the aggressor.” Zutaut agreed that sometimes Everly deliberately enraged Axl. Eventually, he decided to confront her about it.

“I said to her, ‘A lot of kids can’t help repeating what they grew up with. But we have to try and learn from our parents and do better. I’m not gonna sit here and have you blame everything on Axl anymore, because the truth is that if you wanted to get out of this cycle, you could. But it requires you to leave him, or it requires you to stop blaming him. I mean, you guys need to go into therapy or something.’ ”

Her reaction took Zutaut by surprise. “She got really mad at me,” he says. “So her response was to go back to Axl and claim that I hit on her.” Axl believed Everly. “It put this personal distrust between Axl and I,” Zutaut says.

Rose’s relationships, in general, were disintegrating. He was slowly drifting apart from the band members. Zutaut recalls that, during the making of Guns N’ Roses’ debut, Appetite for Destruction, “songwriting and recording was a collaborative process that involved everybody.” But beginning with the Use Your Illusion albums, recorded over 1990 and 1991, “the band did their stuff and then Axl came in and put the frosting on the cake,” he says. “He worked in his own time, and no one was really allowed to be in the studio when Axl was there.”

But when it came to finishing the records, Rose couldn’t do everything by himself. Zutaut was vacationing in Hawaii when he received a call from the singer requesting his help with the mixes for Use Your Illusion. “He actually apologized to me and said, ‘Look, in spite of this thing that happened with Erin—whether you did it or you didn’t—there’s no one I trust with the sound and the vibe of Guns N’ Roses more than you. Other than myself, no one gets it but you. I can’t finish this record without your help. I need you now.’ ”

Thanks for that! i need to read the Whispers again when i get a chance.

I grow exceedingly weary of the hater brigade and their tunnel vision crusade

Take it easy 'cano

[sailaway]

Here is an article from 1994 discussing Axl's "alleged" abuse of Everly and Stephanie Seymour. It doesn't paint a very pretty picture of Axl:

People Magazine Axl Article

We have seen the "Sweet Child O' Die" graffiti photos that support his abusive behavior...two women accused him of beating them...it definitely seems like Axl was a pretty screwed up guy.

I also found this interesting in the article:

"Now waging legal battles on at least two fronts, Rose reportedly plans to take time off from Guns N' Roses, whose last album, The Spaghetti Incident, sold far less than its predecessors and whose fortunes appear to be fading."

Boy was that correct. Eighteen years later and they have put out 1 album.......I remember reading the article at the time and thinking what a ridiculous negative spin that was. It turned out to be spot on.

All of this reminds me that people seem to make a lot of excuses for Axl, but at some point when everyone around you runs away there might be something wrong.

Here is the famous "Sweet Child O' Die" photograph that the neighbor took of one of Axl's tirades....pretty much the behavior of a controlling abuser....

Sweet Child O' Die

And Adler shot her up with drugs,I wish all the hater brigade would either leave,or focus on the entire picture.

According to Steven, sometime in 1990, Erin showed up at his place, hysterical and had taken a bunch of pills after Axl had beaten her. Izzy's ex wife was with her and ended up injecting her with a speedball.

According to Izzy's ex wife, Steven shot her up, and when they found her, she was unconcious and naked. Based on his comments, Axl seems to believe this version of the story.

Whether that's because Erin backed it up or not, we don't know. At this point, her version seems to be the only one not publicly accounted for.

This post has been edited by Angelica: 09 August

Here's the source material for all the anal-retentive readers

I, Axl Part II RIP October 1992 (in the Article section at htgth)

We took him to rehabs, we threatened his drug dealers, we helped him when he slashed his wrists. I even forgave him after he nearly killed my wife. I had to spend a night with her in an intensive-care unit because her heart had stopped thanks to Steven. She was hysterical, and he shot her up with a speedball. She had never done jack shit as far as drugs go, and he shoots her up with a mixture of heroin and cocaine?

Edited September 5, 2012 by sailaway

[TAYLOR]

The fucked up thing I thought after reading that article:

I wonder if Axl beating Erin caused her to miscarry

what i read but dont know if true but it was supposed to be the speedball she was given that caused her to miscarry.

[Dariablue]

I think at the time of the '94 People article he was with Guess jeans model ("Since I Don't Have You" video) Jennifer Driver (actually the most attractive woman I think he's ever been with)

Really? I think out of the three, she's the least attractive. She looked pretty in the video, but I always think of the pic from the Hall of Fame thing with Axl when I think of her. I think Steph and Erin were far more gorgeous.

Kind of off topic: Anyone remember the Claudia Schiffer video with "Informer" playing? I get that damn song stuck in my head all the time.

Sailaway, what does the Adler thing have to do with the abuse?