eye2eye Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Those Slash quotes from 95 are fuckin' stupid. I love Pearl Jam and they're great. I don't get it how any musician can hate on PJ they are kind of a blueprint how a band can stay true to their art and not sell out. And their "Ten" sound was true classic rock. What's wrong with Axl wanting to incorporate some PJ elements into GN'R ?Slash should be banned from talking music for such out of bounds comments, even Keith Richards liked PJ.Man, please, don't pay attention to those quotes, that wasn't Saul talking, but the drugs. The guy was too high ... too wasted ... that's why he made the decisions that he made. Why not ? By your logic we shouldn't pay attention to almost any musician talking about anything because he/she may be wasted or high. And even so, those quotes are so Slash I'm sure that even 100% sober he'd be disgusted by Pearl Jam, he's quite close minded as far as music goes. And that's fine, I still buy his CDs but c'mon he hates evolution in any form and PJ is all about evolution no wonder he hated on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Axl thinks Slash is a cancer. So some of you must hate him as well. In an obsessive way. A guitar player who helped create GnR's iconic hits, and who hasn't been in the band for 15 years.Makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Devil Hill Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Streets of Dreams is the single. I would have started out with Better - always start with a rocker - and then wager all of the chips on Streets of Dreams. This should have happened in 2002 however!That absolutely should've been single #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GN'R Lies Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 According to Slash's comments, the differences lay in the industrial/PJ sound. TIL doesn't fall into that category. Listen to 'Gotten' off Slash's album - similar style. I think the song is brilliant and Robins solo is my fave moment on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trqster Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 462,725 views3,087 likes to a mere 29 dislikesAnd the most liked comment on this video, does in fact relate to 'crying'. This.It's a really brilliant rock ballad, one that'd have been a major hit back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 It's the nursery rhyme lyrics. Cringeworthy. The gulf in difference between Axl's other ballads and TIL is jawdropping. Serious falling off there, much like the rest of CD with the exception of perhaps TWAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trqster Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 It's the nursery rhyme lyrics. Cringeworthy. The gulf in difference between Axl's other ballads and TIL is jawdropping. Serious falling off there, much like the rest of CD with the exception of perhaps TWAT.Why can't those hundreds of thousand youtubers that liked the song so much just realise how seriously wrong they are!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Those Slash quotes from 95 are fuckin' stupid. I love Pearl Jam and they're great. I don't get it how any musician can hate on PJ they are kind of a blueprint how a band can stay true to their art and not sell out. And their "Ten" sound was true classic rock. What's wrong with Axl wanting to incorporate some PJ elements into GN'R ? Slash should be banned from talking music for such out of bounds comments, even Keith Richards liked PJ.not to mention that Pearl Jam surpasses him by far if we take into consideration his solo career - which is not a real solo career at all, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Do all those Bieber fans mean he is a songwriting genius. The fuck they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismagnr Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 The old guys were far better at writing rockers than the Chinese Democracy guys. None of the rockers on CD were very memorable.I sort of agree with you there. I think some of the songs on CD were rockers, they just got over produced. Take a couple of layers off of Scraped or CD and they are good rock tunes. And Better is pretty good also. But as a whole I agree with you. When I first listened to the whole album my biggest problem was their isn't any you could be mine or jungle sounding tunes. Something to really kick you in the face and say YES!!! This is Guns n' fucking Roses!!! But as we all know, this isn't Guns n' fucking Roses is it? I do think they are gnr or even guns n' roses, but their will only be one Guns n' fucking Roses!!!!What about chinese democracy? Thats the biggest rocker of them all imo, and the one that sounds most like a true gnr tune. Its the new jungle imo.I like CD, but like I said before it is over produced. Take a couple of layers off of it and it would have sounded better imo. It's a great song, just doesn't need all that "extra" on it. It's like a super hot chick in a turtle neck sweater wearing a winter coat. Obviously she is hot, but she is her sexiest just in her bra and panties. Or just naked.you're hot chick analogy doesnt make sense. If you're comparing CD's over production to a hot girl, it would make more sense to say she naturally looks great and doesnt need all that make-upCD sounded way better on RIR 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeryen Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Duff had something to do with Patience or likes it. I think it's not ballads per say but I think they thought Nov Rain was too far.I just think they had a hankering to get back to the early stuff. They got some criticism for the bloatedness of UYI and it was grunge era. It doesnt make sense to me, Nov Rain is one of their biggest songs.They all had different ideas of what the band should be. I don't why they couldn't just help each other out like on UYI.I think it was their personal problems that broke them up. musical differences were just par for the course.I watched that one little piece where a drunken/druggy Slash climbs out of a huge limo unto a red carpet at the top of their fame period and it just kind of struck home with me how out of place and weirded out he and the whole scene looked.Axl was all pumped up and ready to play GNR into Michael Jackson/Queen levels of the game, Duff and Slash wanted to come down and be a brash rock band again liked they used to be. Axl was right to move on in sounds and go for pearl jam games, do unplugged and be on MTV. that's how you play that game. Duff and Slash were not comfortable with that direction and wanted to go back what they originally were. They were too young, too naive, too big and too weirded out to have a civil conversation, so that's why it all got fucked.The bottom line for me that they all wanted to go on and be GN'R. But before everything else there should have been diplomacy, and an effort to be friends again on some level. Small people, big egos, drugs, lots of money and fame. they got fucked. but before that, they made some epic shit.The music video for November Rain in all its comical glory is a piece of pop history that will never fade or go away, a true fucking evergreen. Slash should have the decency to think a little about that fact before he goes on and takes a dump on "Axl's ballads".That's kind of what I got from both Slash and Duff's book, because they really were on that street level and really from a real band scene especially in Duff's case, he had his own idea and ideals of what made a good band, and it was about the band playing and the music. It was an ethos, like something you feel in your bones. Whereas Axl seems to have come from more of a dreamers background. Maybe that's how Duff portrayed himself or he just didnt dream in that way. It's like he had no knowledge of other rock bands like The Stones or Aerosmith. I could imagine Axl knowing about the history of The Stones and knowing about what a career in music was. Whereas Duff was like I met Iggy Pop he was completely awesome. They had legitimate drug problems.I think most of what Slash said was just his frustration. I guess you make some money and hope you can do what you want. But they kept it very real. In the 90s you just couldn't be punk enough. Even Cobain thought he was a sell out. To people who just buy rock cds it's kind of not an issue. But even at a very late stage Duff and Axl were sober and saying the band should get together and settle their differences.One thing came up, in VR they said Scott had a crack and heroin problem and was showing up late to the shows. It rang a bell, everyone says how Axl wasnt into drugs so much, but his behaviour was similar to Scott's.The whole thing seems like a misunderstanding. People say drugs didnt matter but come on if they were all sober these things would have been resolved because none of them would have been as selfish or paranoid. Seems like they were holding to what they knew because everything else was like foreign movie.I'm holding marriage guidance sessions and AA meetings if you have a problem and want me to get nowhere near helping you, you can call 0800-0800-696969.It's a bit painful, but I agree. Especially with the part of Axl being different, the troubled dreamer among the rough rockers or so. One of Axls most tragic traits is his inability to forgive, forget and move on. I'm not sure if there ever was a real chance for them to work it out after Slash had done his Snakepit thing. Image and public perception of the band was so important to Axl, and i'm sure he of all people knew how it looked when the perhaps most important man of GNR image wise was out there, doing some other band than GNR. I'm sure it felt horrible to Axl to have his perfect dream distorted like that, must have felt like drinking poison to him. Everyone kind of still wanted and waited for them to shake it off, move on and start the next phase of guns. Everyone in the band and in the audience and the music business aswell. They were friends and bandmates and they took the world together, the foundation was there. but the baggage and the mess and the lawyers and yes, the drugs, were just too much, when you put that all together. they should have worked it out, though, then! a reunion now would be useless, Axl is right. But he was wrong to estrange izzy and for his own part, to alienate duff. way back when, in the 90's. with slash i just don't know. they both should have made a concentrated effort of working it out. but alas, its not the nineties anymore. but the forums will go on with axl vs slash and reunion banter and axl will tour uyi+afd and slash&co still hold credibility to do stuff like the rock HOF. everyone moved on, aged, and then again the ghost of what they had and the unrealized potential will haunt everyone involved till the end of their days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val22 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I think the lyrics to 'This I Love' are profound and moving. It took Axl great courage, insight and integrity to express himself in such a vulnerable and honest way. Any sense of embarrassment felt by hearing his words on this song comes from the listener's own lack of personal evolvement.I TOTALLY agree with you. I think many of the songs in CD Axl has poured his heart out.I listen to Prostitute and it breaks my heart to hear those lyrics. It's like this album is a book about Axl's life.You are so right in really listening to these lyrics. It does take courage to make an album that shows your inner feelings and turmoil.I know Axl has said he felt the album was rushed, but regardless, there are songs on that, you know are very very personal to Axl.I honestly don't give a shit what Slash or Duff thought about any of Axl's new songs. They probably were both high and drunk at the time and had no idea what the fuck was going on?I mean wasn't it Slash who didin't want Sweet Child of Mine on AFD and yet it made people stand up and actually listen to GNR?I heard a Slash song the other day, and the guitar solo sounded exactly like an old GNR song, then Miles began to sing and I turned it off! lol sorry, but he SUCKS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Duff had something to do with Patience or likes it. I think it's not ballads per say but I think they thought Nov Rain was too far.I just think they had a hankering to get back to the early stuff. They got some criticism for the bloatedness of UYI and it was grunge era. It doesnt make sense to me, Nov Rain is one of their biggest songs.They all had different ideas of what the band should be. I don't why they couldn't just help each other out like on UYI.I think it was their personal problems that broke them up. musical differences were just par for the course.I watched that one little piece where a drunken/druggy Slash climbs out of a huge limo unto a red carpet at the top of their fame period and it just kind of struck home with me how out of place and weirded out he and the whole scene looked.Axl was all pumped up and ready to play GNR into Michael Jackson/Queen levels of the game, Duff and Slash wanted to come down and be a brash rock band again liked they used to be. Axl was right to move on in sounds and go for pearl jam games, do unplugged and be on MTV. that's how you play that game. Duff and Slash were not comfortable with that direction and wanted to go back what they originally were. They were too young, too naive, too big and too weirded out to have a civil conversation, so that's why it all got fucked.The bottom line for me that they all wanted to go on and be GN'R. But before everything else there should have been diplomacy, and an effort to be friends again on some level. Small people, big egos, drugs, lots of money and fame. they got fucked. but before that, they made some epic shit.The music video for November Rain in all its comical glory is a piece of pop history that will never fade or go away, a true fucking evergreen. Slash should have the decency to think a little about that fact before he goes on and takes a dump on "Axl's ballads".That's kind of what I got from both Slash and Duff's book, because they really were on that street level and really from a real band scene especially in Duff's case, he had his own idea and ideals of what made a good band, and it was about the band playing and the music. It was an ethos, like something you feel in your bones. Whereas Axl seems to have come from more of a dreamers background. Maybe that's how Duff portrayed himself or he just didnt dream in that way. It's like he had no knowledge of other rock bands like The Stones or Aerosmith. I could imagine Axl knowing about the history of The Stones and knowing about what a career in music was. Whereas Duff was like I met Iggy Pop he was completely awesome. They had legitimate drug problems.I think most of what Slash said was just his frustration. I guess you make some money and hope you can do what you want. But they kept it very real. In the 90s you just couldn't be punk enough. Even Cobain thought he was a sell out. To people who just buy rock cds it's kind of not an issue. But even at a very late stage Duff and Axl were sober and saying the band should get together and settle their differences.One thing came up, in VR they said Scott had a crack and heroin problem and was showing up late to the shows. It rang a bell, everyone says how Axl wasnt into drugs so much, but his behaviour was similar to Scott's.The whole thing seems like a misunderstanding. People say drugs didnt matter but come on if they were all sober these things would have been resolved because none of them would have been as selfish or paranoid. Seems like they were holding to what they knew because everything else was like foreign movie.I'm holding marriage guidance sessions and AA meetings if you have a problem and want me to get nowhere near helping you, you can call 0800-0800-696969.It's a bit painful, but I agree. Especially with the part of Axl being different, the troubled dreamer among the rough rockers or so. One of Axls most tragic traits is his inability to forgive, forget and move on. I'm not sure if there ever was a real chance for them to work it out after Slash had done his Snakepit thing. Image and public perception of the band was so important to Axl, and i'm sure he of all people knew how it looked when the perhaps most important man of GNR image wise was out there, doing some other band than GNR. I'm sure it felt horrible to Axl to have his perfect dream distorted like that, must have felt like drinking poison to him. Everyone kind of still wanted and waited for them to shake it off, move on and start the next phase of guns. Everyone in the band and in the audience and the music business aswell. They were friends and bandmates and they took the world together, the foundation was there. but the baggage and the mess and the lawyers and yes, the drugs, were just too much, when you put that all together. they should have worked it out, though, then! a reunion now would be useless, Axl is right. But he was wrong to estrange izzy and for his own part, to alienate duff. way back when, in the 90's. with slash i just don't know. they both should have made a concentrated effort of working it out. but alas, its not the nineties anymore. but the forums will go on with axl vs slash and reunion banter and axl will tour uyi+afd and slash&co still hold credibility to do stuff like the rock HOF. everyone moved on, aged, and then again the ghost of what they had and the unrealized potential will haunt everyone involved till the end of their days.one side seems to be they were fucked up to get anything done. Duff getting married and having kids really finished it. You cant be in a studio at 4am. But what afforded them to have the time and money was the band.So i think it came done to a real desire to want to be in that kind of band. If they just got to do what they wanted and Axl just tore in sang something they might stayed. But it might have got to feel pointless. From the Slash book i just got he seriously couldnt work on a vision he had to keep going.The only question i have is what the fuck was Axl doing all that time.He must have just been hoping they could clean up enough to record TIL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Lahey Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) Being in a band is like going to war: if you aren't prepared to die for your music than you should probably quit making albums. Edited November 29, 2012 by Randy Lahey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 It's the nursery rhyme lyrics. Cringeworthy. The gulf in difference between Axl's other ballads and TIL is jawdropping. Serious falling off there, much like the rest of CD with the exception of perhaps TWAT.Definitely. It's a shame that the same Axl Rose from AFD and UYIs wrote those boring and awful lyrics for Chinese Democracy. Just awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellyzero Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 It's obvious that Slash had Pearl Jam confused with another band....right/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Being in a band is like going to war: if you aren't prepared to die for your music than you should probably quit making albums.S&D seemed a little unambitious given there success and coke habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trqster Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 It's the nursery rhyme lyrics. Cringeworthy. The gulf in difference between Axl's other ballads and TIL is jawdropping. Serious falling off there, much like the rest of CD with the exception of perhaps TWAT.Definitely. It's a shame that the same Axl Rose from AFD and UYIs wrote those boring and awful lyrics for Chinese Democracy. Just awful.Sure...for instance Patience & Don't Cry have much more complex and less 'cheesy' lyrics than TIL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GN'R Lies Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 It's the nursery rhyme lyrics. Cringeworthy. The gulf in difference between Axl's other ballads and TIL is jawdropping. Serious falling off there, much like the rest of CD with the exception of perhaps TWAT.Definitely. It's a shame that the same Axl Rose from AFD and UYIs wrote those boring and awful lyrics for Chinese Democracy. Just awful.Sure...for instance Patience & Don't Cry have much more complex and less 'cheesy' lyrics than TIL....You said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeryen Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Maybe people expected his lyrics to have changed from his style of the early nineties the same way his style of writing open letters changed from the early nineties. from heartfelt and simple into complex courtroom style ambivalent lawyerspeak. They didn't, so people felt betrayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 It's the nursery rhyme lyrics. Cringeworthy. The gulf in difference between Axl's other ballads and TIL is jawdropping. Serious falling off there, much like the rest of CD with the exception of perhaps TWAT.Definitely. It's a shame that the same Axl Rose from AFD and UYIs wrote those boring and awful lyrics for Chinese Democracy. Just awful.Sure...for instance Patience & Don't Cry have much more complex and less 'cheesy' lyrics than TIL....You said it.Arre you seriously comparing two classics to the "How now brown cow" jibberish of TIL? People on this forum wear such rose tinted glasses it is hilarious. CD has only proven one thing, the mystic surrounding Axl Rose is no more. The Emperor has no clothes. Axl is a busted flush and is no different to the other former members when it comes to quality of output. NONE of them have come close to achieving the same songwriting ability as what they made together. Axl is GNR only in name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Seems to talk one way when about the music and another for business. At the beginning he was less aware of what was going on i guess. After getting sued a few times you must get up to speed quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunzen Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) It's the nursery rhyme lyrics. Cringeworthy. The gulf in difference between Axl's other ballads and TIL is jawdropping. Serious falling off there, much like the rest of CD with the exception of perhaps TWAT.Definitely. It's a shame that the same Axl Rose from AFD and UYIs wrote those boring and awful lyrics for Chinese Democracy. Just awful.Sure...for instance Patience & Don't Cry have much more complex and less 'cheesy' lyrics than TIL....You said it.Arre you seriously comparing two classics to the "How now brown cow" jibberish of TIL?People on this forum wear such rose tinted glasses it is hilarious.CD has only proven one thing, the mystic surrounding Axl Rose is no more. The Emperor has no clothes. Axl is a busted flush and is no different to the other former members when it comes to quality of output. NONE of them have come close to achieving the same songwriting ability as what they made together. Axl is GNR only in name.To be honest, Slash has less "clothing" than Axl does if you wanna kick that can again. Axl is not what he was, but his music is far superior than the crap VR (sans 2 decent songs which just sound like GNR without Axls singing). And for the 1,000,006th time. You are here, and not on VR.com for a reason.All this ballad crap seems okay for Slash now though huh? Edited November 29, 2012 by Gunzen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisRoyalSweetness Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 to be honest, i'll bet everyone other than beta made fun of TIL when they heard it. slash and duff were just in a position that they could do it to axl's face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) It's the nursery rhyme lyrics. Cringeworthy. The gulf in difference between Axl's other ballads and TIL is jawdropping. Serious falling off there, much like the rest of CD with the exception of perhaps TWAT.Definitely. It's a shame that the same Axl Rose from AFD and UYIs wrote those boring and awful lyrics for Chinese Democracy. Just awful.Sure...for instance Patience & Don't Cry have much more complex and less 'cheesy' lyrics than TIL....You said it.Arre you seriously comparing two classics to the "How now brown cow" jibberish of TIL?People on this forum wear such rose tinted glasses it is hilarious.CD has only proven one thing, the mystic surrounding Axl Rose is no more. The Emperor has no clothes. Axl is a busted flush and is no different to the other former members when it comes to quality of output. NONE of them have come close to achieving the same songwriting ability as what they made together. Axl is GNR only in name.To be honest, Slash has less "clothing" than Axl does if you wanna kick that can again. Axl is not what he was, but his music is far superior than the crap VR (sans 2 decent songs which just sound like GNR without Axls singing). And for the 1,000,006th time. You are here, and not on VR.com for a reason.All this ballad crap seems okay for Slash now though huh?You seem to have misread my post. Read it again. I said NONE OF THEM HAVE COME CLOSE. This includes Slash.If it makes you feel better I think Gotten and Starlight are a pile of shit too. TIL is the worst ballad though, by a country mile.to be honest, i'll bet everyone other than beta made fun of TIL when they heard it. slash and duff were just in a position that they could do it to axl's face.Yeah. How many goddamn songs does he have to release about Stephanie Seymour? It's one thing when it is actually a decent song, it's another when it is Meatloaf territory schmaltz. Edited November 29, 2012 by TheDiceMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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