GnR Residency.....the rock music event of 2012

[Apollo]

This is just a dream. Or how I would have set up the residency if I was Beta.

With no new music and just the never ending touring we are left to chat about old events. This topic is just for fun.

I think the residency was a solid, safe performance. But it could have been the rock event of the year.

Show one and two: special guest Neil Young. Young plays a cover with the band. Axl and Young play two songs together - just Axl and Young with his guitar, no band. Two men on stage.

Show three: OMG and new song debut

Show four: special guest Alice Cooper. Garden and Under my Wheels.

Show five: acoustic set during show

Show six: CD is played in its entirety

Show seven and eight: special guest Pete Townshend, Seeker and whatever Axl's favorite Who song is.

Show nine: Best of Illusions, 15 songs, include a few songs rarely played. Locomotive, Yesterdays, etc.

Show ten: special guest Steven Adler. New song debut.

Show eleven: special guests Izzy and Steven. New song debut.

Final show: special guests Duff, Steven and Izzy. Appetite is played from start to finish. New song debut. Duff, Izzy and Steven share stage for three songs.

Put out a concert DVD featuring highlights of the 12 shows.

Along with a new EP:

4 new songs that were played at residency.

3 covers with original artists (young, cooper, Townshend)

Best live version of TWAT and Catcher.

That, my friends, is the rock event of the year. And gives Axl and GnR more positive publicity than they have ever received (current band). And fans get out of this world shows. And all

12 shows probably sell out.

Thoughts?

[liers]

Haven't axl and Steven both agreed since the RNRHOF that they want nothing to do with each other?

[Apollo]

No. I just read an interview with Steven that said he was mad about the HOF thing, but that he has gotten over it and wishes Axl nothing but the best.

And it would be nice for Axl to throw Steven a bone. A couple songs for a couple shows would be the highlight of Steven's last couple of years. Plus a treat for the fans.

Everybody wins under my residency idea.

[Ali]

This is just a dream. Or how I would have set up the residency if I was Beta.

With no new music and just the never ending touring we are left to chat about old events. This topic is just for fun.

I think the residency was a solid, safe performance. But it could have been the rock event of the year.

Show one and two: special guest Neil Young. Young plays a cover with the band. Axl and Young play two songs together - just Axl and Young with his guitar, no band. Two men on stage.

Show three: OMG and new song debut

Show four: special guest Alice Cooper. Garden and Under my Wheels.

Show five: acoustic set during show

Show six: CD is played in its entirety

Show seven and eight: special guest Pete Townshend, Seeker and whatever Axl's favorite Who song is.

Show nine: Best of Illusions, 15 songs, include a few songs rarely played. Locomotive, Yesterdays, etc.

Show ten: special guest Steven Adler. New song debut.

Show eleven: special guests Izzy and Steven. New song debut.

Final show: special guests Duff, Steven and Izzy. Appetite is played from start to finish. New song debut. Duff, Izzy and Steven share stage for three songs.

Put out a concert DVD featuring highlights of the 12 shows.

Along with a new EP:

4 new songs that were played at residency.

3 covers with original artists (young, cooper, Townshend)

Best live version of TWAT and Catcher.

That, my friends, is the rock event of the year. And gives Axl and GnR more positive publicity than they have ever received (current band). And fans get out of this world shows. And all

12 shows probably sell out.

Thoughts?

You say that the residency was a "safe, solid performance". Which of the shows were you at that you considered to be safe and solid? The last two shows with Izzy there were a little more than just "solid" to me.

Anyway, some interesting fantasies, but I don't think a lot of this is particularly realistic. The number of different guests you mention could be difficult to coordinate with from a scheduling perspective. Also, I don't think Steven will ever be invited to guest with the new band. He may have forever sealed his fate with that one with his past comments, despite any subsequent retractions and apologies. I can't honestly say I would be overly inclined to throw someone a bone that called my band a bunch of "scabs" without any provocation or reason.

The last thing is that while some show to show variation would be great, the kind of wholesale changes with shows 6, 9 and 12 would not work. I think the reason why a residency can work in a place like Las Vegas is because of the high rate of turnover of tourists during the course of the week, and a lot of the people attending the shows may be more casual fans who in Vegas for a variety of reasons already. So, a set list like the one I saw the last couple of nights is more appropriate for the more casual fan.

Ali

[Apollo]

Ali

Thank you for your response.

The shows were safe because of their normal set lists and lack of guests. What risks were there, how did the band take a chance or push themselves? The only "new" song was one cover. Every other song had been played before. And I saw Izzy play with GnR a couple years ago.

So Vegas got one new song.....which was a cover. Sounds pretty safe to me.

You disagree that they were solid performances? Axl was pretty terrible in parts of the first few shows, but he seemed to finish strong. You typically praise everything Axl does, I'm surprised that you don't agree that they were solid.

Steven apologized. Hopefully Axl isn't such a prick that he wouldn't accept an apology!!!!

Finally.....your last point sums up the difference between the Beta-Ali group compared to fans like myself. You guys want/like concerts directed towards the casual fan (your description)......proving my point about this being a SAFE string of shows!!!!!!!! Going to a Vegas show was basically no different than going to any other GnR show.

I would have used a 12 show residency to go for the 90-yard touch down bomb to win the game. Instead, they just did a safe little 10-yard slant pass to garner a first down. Safe and solid play.....but not a game changer.

I think that Axl and this version of GnR has the potential to be a dominant force in the music world. Weird that some of the most loyal Axl fans don't agree.

[dalsh327]

Axl said he tried twice with Adler to just have a conversation and not have it come out in the media. I think if it happened now, it would be fine.

Neil Young's put an open invite to anyone who wants to join Crazy Horse in Atlantic City this Thursday. All the money's going towards Hurricane Sandy relief efforts.

The residency just needed a huge setlist shakeup.

[The Linguini Occurrence]

I think that Axl and this version of GnR has the potential to be a dominant force in the music world.

They do, if they can get into the Hot Tub Time Machine and go back to the days of Bill Clinton, Pogs, Power Rangers and Pokemon.

Consumers under the age of 30 are what drives the music world, and they are simply not going to get into bands comprised of guys in their 40's and 50's that were idolized by their parents. It didn't happen this year with Van Halen and Aerosmith both releasing new albums and going on tour, and it ain't gonna happen with any other band that was popular in the 80's.

[izzydoezit]

I think that Axl and this version of GnR has the potential to be a dominant force in the music world.

They do, if they can get into the Hot Tub Time Machine and go back to the days of Bill Clinton, Pogs, Power Rangers and Pokemon.

Consumers under the age of 30 are what drives the music world, and they are simply not going to get into bands comprised of guys in their 40's and 50's that were idolized by their parents. It didn't happen this year with Van Halen and Aerosmith both releasing new albums and going on tour, and it ain't gonna happen with any other band that was popular in the 80's.

Let alone a band that has actually no connection besides the singer to the actual band that got famous and popular.

[Ali]

Ali

Thank you for your response.

The shows were safe because of their normal set lists and lack of guests. What risks were there, how did the band take a chance or push themselves? The only "new" song was one cover. Every other song had been played before. And I saw Izzy play with GnR a couple years ago.

So Vegas got one new song.....which was a cover. Sounds pretty safe to me.

You disagree that they were solid performances? Axl was pretty terrible in parts of the first few shows, but he seemed to finish strong. You typically praise everything Axl does, I'm surprised that you don't agree that they were solid.

Steven apologized. Hopefully Axl isn't such a prick that he wouldn't accept an apology!!!!

Finally.....your last point sums up the difference between the Beta-Ali group compared to fans like myself. You guys want/like concerts directed towards the casual fan (your description)......proving my point about this being a SAFE string of shows!!!!!!!! Going to a Vegas show was basically no different than going to any other GnR show.

I would have used a 12 show residency to go for the 90-yard touch down bomb to win the game. Instead, they just did a safe little 10-yard slant pass to garner a first down. Safe and solid play.....but not a game changer.

I think that Axl and this version of GnR has the potential to be a dominant force in the music world. Weird that some of the most loyal Axl fans don't agree.

I said the last two shows I attended on 11/23 and 11/24 were more than "solid" to me. I asked what shows you were at that you are basing your opinion of the shows on. What shows were you at upon which you're basing your opinions on the Vegas run? Were you at one of the first few shows?

And I never said I want or like setlists directed at the casual fan. My point was at as a hardcore fan, I can still take a step back and realize that I'm in a minority at these shows compared to the more casual fan. As such, I realize that it makes perfect sense to cater to the majority demographic at these shows, not the minority. Not that I would mind if there were a few more variables in terms of the setlist. I just realize that I'm in the minority overall on that one.

Ali

[Patience 4 Axl]

Everybody wins under my residency idea.

Except for the people who got stuck with show 6.

[Ghost_Guns]

Everybody wins under my residency idea.

Except for the people who got stuck with show 6.

booooo

[Randy Lahey]

Axl would also need his 2010 voice back.

[Apollo]

I have no doubt that a song or album with Axl Rose singing could be quite successful.

[Patience 4 Axl]

I have no doubt that a song or album with Axl Rose singing could be quite successful.

How successful was Angel Down?

[Guest Gunns]

I have no doubt that a song or album with Axl Rose singing could be quite successful.

How successful was Angel Down?

whats that got to do with the price of fish?

Edited December 4, 2012 by Gunns

[classicrawker]

I think that Axl and this version of GnR has the potential to be a dominant force in the music world.

They do, if they can get into the Hot Tub Time Machine and go back to the days of Bill Clinton, Pogs, Power Rangers and Pokemon.

Consumers under the age of 30 are what drives the music world, and they are simply not going to get into bands comprised of guys in their 40's and 50's that were idolized by their parents. It didn't happen this year with Van Halen and Aerosmith both releasing new albums and going on tour, and it ain't gonna happen with any other band that was popular in the 80's.

See that mate wee can actually agree on something...Axl's ship sailed long ago........

[Patience 4 Axl]

whats that got to do with the price of fish?

Has nothing to do with fish. And everything to do with Apollo's post.

[Apollo]

whats that got to do with the price of fish?

Has nothing to do with fish. And everything to do with Apollo's post.

Obviously Sebastian Bach isn't putting out hit records.

If VR can be a mainstream success, why is it hard to imagine that Axl could as well?

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Back on topic people.

This thread wasn't meant to turn into the typical bashing and Axl vs Slash threads.

It's about GnR taking the safe road on the residency instead of stepping up and trying to do something noteworthy and special!!!!!

[Ali]

whats that got to do with the price of fish?

Has nothing to do with fish. And everything to do with Apollo's post.

Obviously Sebastian Bach isn't putting out hit records.

If VR can be a mainstream success, why is it hard to imagine that Axl could as well?

********************

Back on topic people.

This thread wasn't meant to turn into the typical bashing and Axl vs Slash threads.

It's about GnR taking the safe road on the residency instead of stepping up and trying to do something noteworthy and special!!!!!

It was a pretty special, great time for me at the shows.

To those who did not attend the shows, it may not have been considering no new songs were played and subsequently recorded and uploaded to YouTube or anything like that. But, the sitting-at-home-behind-a-computer vantage point isn't the best vantage point from which to judge a show anyway.

Ali

[maynard]

i think your idea would really be a main musical event, no doubt. they took the easy way. now it's over and nobody outside these forums will talk about it. axl is the best on wasting great opportunities.

[AxlRose14]

No. I just read an interview with Steven that said he was mad about the HOF thing, but that he has gotten over it and wishes Axl nothing but the best.

And it would be nice for Axl to throw Steven a bone. A couple songs for a couple shows would be the highlight of Steven's last couple of years. Plus a treat for the fans.

Everybody wins under my residency idea.

Great, Steven Adlers happy with Axl.

Axl doesn't forgive, and he doesn't forget. Besides, Steven's Bi-Polar disorder has made it impossible for him to ever come on stage after insulting the band and tossing around reunion rumor offers that never existed. Slash himself confirmed that via piers morgan.

Steven may love Axl..but Axl hates Steven. Mark my words, they're NEVER playing together on stage..

This is just a dream. Or how I would have set up the residency if I was Beta.

With no new music and just the never ending touring we are left to chat about old events. This topic is just for fun.

I think the residency was a solid, safe performance. But it could have been the rock event of the year.

Show one and two: special guest Neil Young. Young plays a cover with the band. Axl and Young play two songs together - just Axl and Young with his guitar, no band. Two men on stage.

Show three: OMG and new song debut

Show four: special guest Alice Cooper. Garden and Under my Wheels.

Show five: acoustic set during show

Show six: CD is played in its entirety

Show seven and eight: special guest Pete Townshend, Seeker and whatever Axl's favorite Who song is.

Show nine: Best of Illusions, 15 songs, include a few songs rarely played. Locomotive, Yesterdays, etc.

Show ten: special guest Steven Adler. New song debut.

Show eleven: special guests Izzy and Steven. New song debut.

Final show: special guests Duff, Steven and Izzy. Appetite is played from start to finish. New song debut. Duff, Izzy and Steven share stage for three songs.

Put out a concert DVD featuring highlights of the 12 shows.

Along with a new EP:

4 new songs that were played at residency.

3 covers with original artists (young, cooper, Townshend)

Best live version of TWAT and Catcher.

That, my friends, is the rock event of the year. And gives Axl and GnR more positive publicity than they have ever received (current band). And fans get out of this world shows. And all

12 shows probably sell out.

Thoughts?

I'll admit they're all great dreams, but pipe dreams. Axl's stubborn, he wants success or whatever GNR is doing to be on his terms, or he'll just sink the ship.

[Turn_It_Up]

I have no doubt that a song or album with Axl Rose singing could be quite successful.

How successful was Angel Down?

Excellent question.

Separate, but related, anyone know if Axl will be having a killer duet on the upcoming "ABachalypse Now" LP?

http://www.iconvsicon.com/2012/12/04/sebastian-bach-to-unleash-abachalypse-now-in-spring-of-2013/