Anyone else feel like they're in the middle of the road?

[Dan H.]

Music is not '100%' opinion lol.

[bran]

Music is not '100%' opinion lol.

yes it is.

[Ragnar]

Dismissing music based on it`s relevance is ridiculous only twelve year olds chase trends

[Sprite]

Why do you think all music nowadays has the same percussion, synthesizer and thumping bass? It draws your attention. It is encoded in human DNA to draw you in. Like hypnosis. And it didn't just start. Look at pop charts since the early 70s or so. The most respected artists today hardly ever topped the charts. (Did led zeppelin even chart?) Disco and 80s cheesy music and new kids on the block type things always were at the top. You don't see many people talking about those band's today.

[Ragnar]

Music is not '100%' opinion lol.

It fucking is it`s not a dogma it`s subjective

[Eu4ic]

Your unqualified declaration that it is just an average album is just as wild and arbitrary as somebody who says it's the worst, or it's the best.

I think you're trying to convince yourself that it's just an average album.

I waver a lot on how I feel about the album, that's the truth, and I'm fine with that.

[Tyler Drama]

i think it sucks. oh well, i must be an idiot who has a narrow understanding of music and art. maybe one day i will become smarter and be able to fully appreciate how this album doesn't suck, but is instead only mediocre. great topic.

But you always talk about how good Chris's work on the album is...?

[Dan H.]

Look, you morons, there are objective qualities to music.

You'd be a fucking idiot to deny that.

Furthermore as far as impact and relevancy goes, critically Chinese Democracy was deemed average, and sales were average.

That's just a fact. You can live in your subjective dreamworld where Chinese Democracy is the bestest thing ever, Rebecca Black is better than Bob Dylan, and the Stones new album kicks ass.

So sure, it's easy to hide behind the 'subjective' defense. Any idiot can say 'well i like it so you're wrong'. It takes a real thinker to be aware of the impact this album had on culture, if any, and determine its success in that way.

For the record in 2008 I did buy the album the day it was released and did enjoy it, personally.

[bran]

Look, you morons, there are objective qualities to music.

You'd be a fucking idiot to deny that.

Furthermore as far as impact and relevancy goes, critically Chinese Democracy was deemed average, and sales were average.

That's just a fact. You can live in your subjective dreamworld where Chinese Democracy is the bestest thing ever, Rebecca Black is better than Bob Dylan, and the Stones new album kicks ass.

So sure, it's easy to hide behind the 'subjective' defense. Any idiot can say 'well i like it so you're wrong'. It takes a real thinker to be aware of the impact this album had on culture, if any, and determine its success in that way.

For the record in 2008 I did buy the album the day it was released and did enjoy it, personally.

the whole meaning of music is to bring the listener enjoyment, not to like what other people to deem "relevant". who cares what is or isnt relevant?

[Dan H.]

Look, you morons, there are objective qualities to music.

You'd be a fucking idiot to deny that.

Furthermore as far as impact and relevancy goes, critically Chinese Democracy was deemed average, and sales were average.

That's just a fact. You can live in your subjective dreamworld where Chinese Democracy is the bestest thing ever, Rebecca Black is better than Bob Dylan, and the Stones new album kicks ass.

So sure, it's easy to hide behind the 'subjective' defense. Any idiot can say 'well i like it so you're wrong'. It takes a real thinker to be aware of the impact this album had on culture, if any, and determine its success in that way.

For the record in 2008 I did buy the album the day it was released and did enjoy it, personally.

the whole meaning of music is to bring the listener enjoyment, not to like what other people to deem "relevant". who cares what is or isnt relevant?

Music also affects culture. That is where relevancy comes in to play.

[Black Sabbath]

Not everyone cares about culture, or relevancy, especially when it comes to music.

i still listen to it somewhat frequently, it think it is a very good album, is it a masterpiece? that is up to the listener to decide, not some idiot on a blog or working at some shitty magazine to tell people.

as for the stones and aerosmith they are very relevant.

This ain't the 60s and 70s brah. The Stones and Aerosmith haven't had a hit single in years.

The Stones just put out Doom & Gloom which was highly praised lol

Since when does a hit single mean anything?

[bran]

Not everyone cares about culture, or relevancy, especially when it comes to music.

i still listen to it somewhat frequently, it think it is a very good album, is it a masterpiece? that is up to the listener to decide, not some idiot on a blog or working at some shitty magazine to tell people.

as for the stones and aerosmith they are very relevant.

This ain't the 60s and 70s brah. The Stones and Aerosmith haven't had a hit single in years.

The Stones just put out Doom & Gloom which was highly praised lol

and was 3 on the charts i believe

[Tyler Drama]

Not everyone cares about culture, or relevancy, especially when it comes to music.

i still listen to it somewhat frequently, it think it is a very good album, is it a masterpiece? that is up to the listener to decide, not some idiot on a blog or working at some shitty magazine to tell people.

as for the stones and aerosmith they are very relevant.

This ain't the 60s and 70s brah. The Stones and Aerosmith haven't had a hit single in years.

The Stones just put out Doom & Gloom which was highly praised lol

and was 3 on the charts i believe

Aerosmith - Legendary Child kicks ass as well.

[Dan H.]

Not everyone cares about culture, or relevancy, especially when it comes to music.

i still listen to it somewhat frequently, it think it is a very good album, is it a masterpiece? that is up to the listener to decide, not some idiot on a blog or working at some shitty magazine to tell people.

as for the stones and aerosmith they are very relevant.

This ain't the 60s and 70s brah. The Stones and Aerosmith haven't had a hit single in years.

The Stones just put out Doom & Gloom which was highly praised lol

and was 3 on the charts i believe

Number 30 on the charts*

[username]

I feel like the D&N section is full of people entirely out of touch with reality.

They either praise CD as the best thing since the Beatles, or act like its a horrible awful disgusting trash album.

I strongly believe these people on both sides have very slim exposure to music, and are probably the same idiots who think that any music without guitars and synthisized violens is terrible.

Chinese Democracy is an average album. Which should come as a disappointment, considering with proper promotion it could have been a bit bigger of a release (it would never have been huge, though)

It was a solid release, that didn't live up to its hype, was not a masterpiece, and was also nowhere near being 'horrible'.

It fact it was pretty cool to listen to it in 2008 and early 2009. I haven't really touched it since then... But it really was 'that' kind of album. You pick it up and blast it until you get bored and sick of it.

I invite those who disagree to listen to some REAL masterpieces and some REAL failure albums, and expand their knowledge and tastes in music before making wild claims about an album who's popularity in 2012 is localized to three fan forums.

Yes, yes and yes! My sentiments exactly.

GnR fandom seems to be more of a clashing between two absolute extremes these days and it just pisses me off. Why not be sensible about it? You either have to hate Axl or hate Slash. People either worship CD as the best album of all time or treat it as the biggest piece of garbage. Same with present day GnR. They either treat it as the biggest band in history or as tallentless pieces of hired shit. WHAT THE CRAP IS WRONG WITH SOME PEOPLE!

I also feel some of these people can't be serious. Nobody is THAT stupid. It's just trolling imo and it's annoying. Takes a lot of fun out of the forum for me as well. I'd take anyone up for a discussion on GnR, but not if they start off on an utterly ridiculous stance that shows no sensibility at all.

If you can't talk about a GnR member (past and present) without purposely misspelling his name as a thinly veiled insult, you have no place on here to begin with. The forum looks to be filled with idiots like that.

Whatever happened to being sensible, realistic and reasonable?

Edited December 7, 2012 by username

[bran]

Not everyone cares about culture, or relevancy, especially when it comes to music.

i still listen to it somewhat frequently, it think it is a very good album, is it a masterpiece? that is up to the listener to decide, not some idiot on a blog or working at some shitty magazine to tell people.

as for the stones and aerosmith they are very relevant.

This ain't the 60s and 70s brah. The Stones and Aerosmith haven't had a hit single in years.

The Stones just put out Doom & Gloom which was highly praised lol

and was 3 on the charts i believe

Number 30 on the charts*

yeah my bad it was 30 on the charts but the album it is off of is just a compilation album and it still went #1 in parts of the world including #3 in the UK and #19 in the USA, which is really good for a compilation album.

[Guest NewGNRnOldGNR]

That's just a fact. You can live in your subjective dreamworld where Chinese Democracy is the bestest thing ever, Rebecca Black is better than Bob Dylan, and the Stones new album kicks ass.

Funny you mention Rebecca Black, because in music’s current condition, she encapsulates the cultural impact of the Ke$ha’s etc. Rebecca Black encapsulates the majority of mainstream music; brain-dead, $ orientated lyrics with basic basslines that facilitate the club scene. Chinese Democracy did have a cultural impact. It represents those epic multi-million dollar investments akin to an MJ or Detox.

And you can’t estimate the impact of such a complex album in half a decade, that’s silly. It’s going to take years before CD has any musical value publicly. For now you have to accept that people are only really opening up to the album as Axl continues to expose himself to the wants of the media. A minority, like Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins, are already aware of the album’s quality.

[Dan H.]

I feel like the D&N section is full of people entirely out of touch with reality.

They either praise CD as the best thing since the Beatles, or act like its a horrible awful disgusting trash album.

I strongly believe these people on both sides have very slim exposure to music, and are probably the same idiots who think that any music without guitars and synthisized violens is terrible.

Chinese Democracy is an average album. Which should come as a disappointment, considering with proper promotion it could have been a bit bigger of a release (it would never have been huge, though)

It was a solid release, that didn't live up to its hype, was not a masterpiece, and was also nowhere near being 'horrible'.

It fact it was pretty cool to listen to it in 2008 and early 2009. I haven't really touched it since then... But it really was 'that' kind of album. You pick it up and blast it until you get bored and sick of it.

I invite those who disagree to listen to some REAL masterpieces and some REAL failure albums, and expand their knowledge and tastes in music before making wild claims about an album who's popularity in 2012 is localized to three fan forums.

Yes, yes and yes! My sentiments exactly.

GnR fandom seems to be more of a clashing between two absolute extremes these days and it just pisses me off. Why not be sensible about it? You either have to hate Axl or hate Slash. People either worship CD as the best album of all time or treat it as the biggest piece of garbage. Same with present day GnR. They either treat it as the biggest band in history or as tallentless pieces of hired shit. WHAT THE CRAP IS WRONG WITH SOME PEOPLE!

I also feel some of these people can't be serious. Nobody is THAT stupid. It's just trolling imo and it's annoying. Takes a lot of fun out of the forum for me as well. I'd take anyone up for a discussion on GnR, but not if they start off on an utterly ridiculous stance that shows no sensibility at all.

If you can't talk about a GnR (past and present) without purposely misspelling his name as a thinly veiled insult, you have no place on here to begin with. The forum looks to be filled with idiots like that.

Whatever happened to being sensible, realistic and reasonable?

Notice that I bashed nothing in my original post, but that people are still attacking me...

Everyone here is so wrapped up in the GNR world.

[axlrod]

Not everyone cares about culture, or relevancy, especially when it comes to music.

i still listen to it somewhat frequently, it think it is a very good album, is it a masterpiece? that is up to the listener to decide, not some idiot on a blog or working at some shitty magazine to tell people.

as for the stones and aerosmith they are very relevant.

This ain't the 60s and 70s brah. The Stones and Aerosmith haven't had a hit single in years.

The Stones just put out Doom & Gloom which was highly praised lol

and was 3 on the charts i believe

The song charted at #61 on the UK Singles Chart, #26 on the Billboard Japan Hot 100 and #30 on the Billboard Rock Songs chart in October 2012.

[bran]

Not everyone cares about culture, or relevancy, especially when it comes to music.

i still listen to it somewhat frequently, it think it is a very good album, is it a masterpiece? that is up to the listener to decide, not some idiot on a blog or working at some shitty magazine to tell people.

as for the stones and aerosmith they are very relevant.

This ain't the 60s and 70s brah. The Stones and Aerosmith haven't had a hit single in years.

The Stones just put out Doom & Gloom which was highly praised lol

and was 3 on the charts i believe

The song charted at #61 on the UK Singles Chart, #26 on the Billboard Japan Hot 100 and #30 on the Billboard Rock Songs chart in October 2012.

i made a mistake and fixed it in the previous post

[jimb0]

I wish Axl would release two singles.

[Dan H.]

And that's fine and dandy.

And I shouldn't say The Stones and Aerosmith and GNR are all irrelevant.

If anyone asked me for my picks on great rock albums Exile, Toys in the Attic, and AFD, would be in my top 20.

I should revise my statement to say that those bands releases in the past 20 years are irrelevant.

[jimb0]

I feel like some people on this board should be pushed in the middle of the road durring the daytona 500

[username]

Notice that I bashed nothing in my original post, but that people are still attacking me...

Everyone here is so wrapped up in the GNR world.

I disagree with some particular comparisons you've made since the original post as well. Some are just plain untrue. But that's all besides the overall point of this thread (which I do very much agree with). So I figured it'd be best to jut not even go there.

Edited December 7, 2012 by username

[saber_]

Notice OP generalizes in his opening post? Notice how he presents a set of errant premises, then proceeds to act as if his perceptions are accurate.

Since he doesn't actually spend much time in Discussion & News, he is woefully ignorant of the fact that there is actually a wide spectrum of opinions about Chinese Democracy in this section. But it certainly was laughable to watch someone act so arrogant, pompous, and all-knowing. He has no idea who we are, or what we do. Notice he didn't seem to have the ability or willingness to break down Chinese Democracy musically and enlighten us as to what scales, chords, progressions, time signatures, song structures, and production techniques, etc are present in the album. No, he just told us we don't get it. Maybe he should take a long, hard look in the mirror.

Keep in mind OP has admitted he's not even really a fan of the band anymore. Isn't that rich? He'll be happy to admit it again; this isn't me fabricating anything. He has admitted multiple times he just comes here for the "community" mostly (which means discussing highly intellectual things in the a.g. section). :eyeroll: