Do you think any of the bandmates have confronted Axl about lack of new material/recording/studio time?

[Rovim]

They'd have to confront Team Brazil, not Axl. Axl is just a muppet nowadays.

But no, they haven't confronted a thing.

Right...cause Axl is just the type of person that will let people control him. Like all those other managers he fired. You don't know the nature of the relationship between 'Team Brazil' and Axl.

Just like the rest of us. Just making up shit as you go along won't cut it.

Edited December 9, 2012 by Rovim

[Apollo]

Anybody who says that this band isn't a dictatorship is simply ignorant. If the entire band banded together and confronted Axl and said "we have ALL voted and it is 7 votes yes, and zero votes no. We aren't touring again until we ALL get into the studio and record an album, which will be released in 2013. And we want at least half that album to be current songs, written by the current band. The band is unanimously in favor of this."

If this is really a band, then Axl goes along with it. Right? With 7 of 7 band members agreeing....how could Axl say no?

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The sad thing is it appears that Axl is the hold up. Wasn't it the trunk interview where somebody asked about a new album and Axl's response was something like "everybody asks about a new album......but what does that actually really mean?"

Think about his mindset to make a comment like that. A simple question that 99.99% of other singers can answer with a simple and easy response. But Axl is confused as to what a new album means.

Axl and Team Brazil. Let me clarify that confusing question for you. Millions of Axl Rose fans would love to spend $16 apiece to purchase an album of songs created by this current band called GnR.

Throw in the best remaining leftover CD songs, and have the current band write and record 8-10 songs of their own. Do this, and 3 to 5 million people will pay money to purchase the new album.

Shoot a video. Do a couple interviews and live tv performances........then go tour for years and years.

Thanks.

[GunnerRose]

Why make any new music? People don't buy it...there is no money in it.

Axl is making a couple of laps around the world playing concerts for the last time. He is saying good bye and funding a long retirement.

I expect Axl to vanish after a last lap through the States.... Of course, we will bitch about that too.

[liers]

Bumble and Dizzy definitely would feel comfortable and I'm sure Tommy would too.

[AlterL]

Maybe they do, but in the end of the day I think they will still chose to realese their own music (aside from GN'R) than figthing with Axl and getting themselves in an odd situation with the entire band, you gotta see it like this:

They do as they please as much as Axl do as he pleases just becouse they all have their own lives outside GN'R and maybe (just maybe) they don't care that much becouse they know that they can always realese their own music to their own fans if Axl doesn't want to realese music or writte music with them... Just what I think.

Also I feel that Axl is holding back a lot, maybe trying to figure out what should be the next step with Guns N' Roses and what kind of sound he wants to use for the next album... maybe thinking what can I do with all of this songs or trying to writte songs of his own that he needs or likes to do but for some reason doesn't want to realese them, maybe he's not sure about them or maybe he fells they would be to hard to sing them live or something else... Or he just doesn't care that much about putting out there music right now and he only wants to play live shows like he's been doing for the last 4 years, enjoying himself instead of to please everybody in the planet

[billie]

Also I feel that Axl is holding back a lot, maybe trying to figure out what should be the next step with Guns N' Roses and what kind of sound he wants to use for the next album... maybe thinking what can I do with all of this songs or trying to writte songs of his own that he needs or likes to do but for some reason doesn't want to realese them, maybe he's not sure about them or maybe he fells they would be to hard to sing them live or something else... Or he just doesn't care that much about putting out there music right now and he only wants to play live shows like he's been doing for the last 4 years, enjoying himself instead of to please everybody in the planet

Axl is creatively spent , he has no creative fight left in him. He is the cynical old fart that the 25 year old Axl hoped he would never be.. Where is his passion , balls , heart , where is his appetite for destruction ?

Edited December 9, 2012 by billie

[Rovim]

Also I feel that Axl is holding back a lot, maybe trying to figure out what should be the next step with Guns N' Roses and what kind of sound he wants to use for the next album... maybe thinking what can I do with all of this songs or trying to writte songs of his own that he needs or likes to do but for some reason doesn't want to realese them, maybe he's not sure about them or maybe he fells they would be to hard to sing them live or something else... Or he just doesn't care that much about putting out there music right now and he only wants to play live shows like he's been doing for the last 4 years, enjoying himself instead of to please everybody in the planet

Axl is creatively spent , he has no creative fight left in him. He is the cynical old fart that the 25 year old Axl hoped he would never be..

You're talking out of your ass. You know nothing about how much creativity is left in him.

[smokingarthur]

Also I feel that Axl is holding back a lot, maybe trying to figure out what should be the next step with Guns N' Roses and what kind of sound he wants to use for the next album... maybe thinking what can I do with all of this songs or trying to writte songs of his own that he needs or likes to do but for some reason doesn't want to realese them, maybe he's not sure about them or maybe he fells they would be to hard to sing them live or something else... Or he just doesn't care that much about putting out there music right now and he only wants to play live shows like he's been doing for the last 4 years, enjoying himself instead of to please everybody in the planet

Axl is creatively spent , he has no creative fight left in him. He is the cynical old fart that the 25 year old Axl hoped he would never be..

You're talking out of your ass. You know nothing about how much creativity is left in him.

Because releasing one album in 14 years exudes creativity right? How about the ten year Chinese Democracy tour?

[ronartest2004]

I think the most confrontation that the band and axl would have is when someone in the band mentions in an interview that they want to record...

Other than that I don't think they want to bite the hand that feeds.

[Facekicker]

Axl lost the war. He knows it too, which is why he'll never release another album. He has the air of a defeated man, no appetite, no energy, surrounded by mediocrity and yes men.

25 year old Axl would have pulled a Kurt Cobain before becoming such a pathetic figure.

[Iron MikeyJ]

As sad as it is to say I have a gut feeling we are looking at 1993 all over again, and deep down Axl probably knows this. That's part of the reason to keep the endless touring, because once the tour is over the band might implode all over again. I have respect for Tommy and Bumblefoot, they are not afraid to walk away IMO. The other guys might be a little more reluctant to speak their minds. Unless Axl releases CD leftovers with maybe two or three current line up songs, I just don't think a full on new album will ever happen. It would take Axl way to long to have to write or help write 12-15 new songs. History has proven this. A CD leftover album with a couple of current band songs could happen with in a year or two, but it just doesn't seem like anybody in the band really wants to do that, including Axl. I would not be surprised at all that once the band is off the road that Bumble and or Tommy quits with in a year or so. And without those two this band would lose a ton of creditibility, almost unrecoverable IMO. The only positive I see from this situation is it might make Axl finally have to consider a reunion, either that or retire.

[Rovim]

Also I feel that Axl is holding back a lot, maybe trying to figure out what should be the next step with Guns N' Roses and what kind of sound he wants to use for the next album... maybe thinking what can I do with all of this songs or trying to writte songs of his own that he needs or likes to do but for some reason doesn't want to realese them, maybe he's not sure about them or maybe he fells they would be to hard to sing them live or something else... Or he just doesn't care that much about putting out there music right now and he only wants to play live shows like he's been doing for the last 4 years, enjoying himself instead of to please everybody in the planet

Axl is creatively spent , he has no creative fight left in him. He is the cynical old fart that the 25 year old Axl hoped he would never be..

You're talking out of your ass. You know nothing about how much creativity is left in him.

Because releasing one album in 14 years exudes creativity right? How about the ten year Chinese Democracy tour?

Just because you can't experience it, means that he doesn't have it? lol

You're judging what he's NOT showing you. He can be very creative musically with himself, and other people but not releasing it yet.

You don't really know anything about how creative he is right now or in any other time when he's not releasing anything.

Not saying one album in 20 years is normal for a band. It's really not, and it's not enough, but saying Axl doesn't have any creativity left in him, deciding that based on what we know, which is close to nothing is illogical and impulsive imo.

Edited December 10, 2012 by Rovim

[Iron MikeyJ]

I don't think he is creatively done, but he might need a little inspiration. I think inspiration is what has really been holding him up. Music always sounds better when you are inspired. And let's be honest Axl has been going through the motions for the last two years or so.

[Nosaj Thing]

Also I feel that Axl is holding back a lot, maybe trying to figure out what should be the next step with Guns N' Roses and what kind of sound he wants to use for the next album... maybe thinking what can I do with all of this songs or trying to writte songs of his own that he needs or likes to do but for some reason doesn't want to realese them, maybe he's not sure about them or maybe he fells they would be to hard to sing them live or something else... Or he just doesn't care that much about putting out there music right now and he only wants to play live shows like he's been doing for the last 4 years, enjoying himself instead of to please everybody in the planet

Axl is creatively spent , he has no creative fight left in him. He is the cynical old fart that the 25 year old Axl hoped he would never be..

You're talking out of your ass. You know nothing about how much creativity is left in him.

It's easy to guess that. Axl released UYIs - 30 songs - in 1991, 4 years after AFD (and I won't be mentioning Lies). In 2008, he released one mediocre album since 1993.

It's 2012. Now he supposedly have the "perfect" team, he's having more "fun", in the old days he had to deal with Slash and Duff egos and with their drunk asses before releasing anything. Everyone and everything was against him. I mean, wasn't he crying the other day saying that Slash, Duff and Stephanie bullied him in the UYI days? Yet he released 30 songs under the Gn'R name in 4 years, after their first album.

So please, explain to me, now that everything is perfect for him, now that he has this so-called "dream team", why can't he release one goddamned song? Everything is "perfect" for him, right? This "band" is so much better than the old one, plus he doesn't have the bullies in his team anymore, he's surrounded by guitar Gods and ultra-awesome people. My question is: Where's the fuckin' album?

[Rustycage]

Do they even have the funding for another record?

[Rovim]

Also I feel that Axl is holding back a lot, maybe trying to figure out what should be the next step with Guns N' Roses and what kind of sound he wants to use for the next album... maybe thinking what can I do with all of this songs or trying to writte songs of his own that he needs or likes to do but for some reason doesn't want to realese them, maybe he's not sure about them or maybe he fells they would be to hard to sing them live or something else... Or he just doesn't care that much about putting out there music right now and he only wants to play live shows like he's been doing for the last 4 years, enjoying himself instead of to please everybody in the planet

Axl is creatively spent , he has no creative fight left in him. He is the cynical old fart that the 25 year old Axl hoped he would never be..

You're talking out of your ass. You know nothing about how much creativity is left in him.

It's easy to guess that. Axl released UYIs - 30 songs - in 1991, 4 years after AFD (and I won't be mentioning Lies). In 2008, he released one mediocre album since 1993.

It's 2012. Now he supposedly have the "perfect" team, he's having more "fun", in the old days he had to deal with Slash and Duff egos and with their drunk asses before releasing anything. Everyone and everything was against him. I mean, wasn't he crying the other day saying that Slash, Duff and Stephanie bullied him in the UYI days? Yet he released 30 songs under the Gn'R name in 4 years, after their first album.

So please, explain to me, now that everything is perfect for him, now that he has this so-called "dream team", why can't he release one goddamned song? Everything is "perfect" for him, right? This "band" is so much better than the old one, plus he doesn't have the bullies in his team anymore, he's surrounded by guitar Gods and ultra-awesome people. My question is: Where's the fuckin' album?

Having the creativity to write, record and finish an album is not the same as releasing it. A lot of people said (including Axl himself) that there is a lot of unreleased material. It was also said by Axl and others that the business side of things is difficult to solve.

I don't really know what's the single reason for it, or if there are more then one, but I highly doubt it's cause of lack of creativity.

That's all I was talking about, not the reason why we don't have more albums by now. We can only guess and assume, but none of us really know.

And no, I don't think this band is better then the old one, and I don't think everything is perfect. Never said that.

This band is different, but I think given the chance, they can help Axl create something cool.

Edited December 10, 2012 by Rovim

[BBA]

I would not be surprised at all that once the band is off the road that Bumble and or Tommy quits with in a year or so. And without those two this band would lose a ton of creditibility, almost unrecoverable IMO. The only positive I see from this situation is it might make Axl finally have to consider a reunion, either that or retire.

Dude .. no offense, but what are you smoking? Why would Bumble or Tommy quit? What does being in this "band" prevent them from doing? Playing some covers at a local bar on a Friday night? You make it sound as if NuGNR is holding these guys back. You couldn't be farther from reality if you really believe that.

Also, you think losing Tommy or BBF would be "unrecoverable"? You do realize that Axl was foolish enough to continue with GNR despite losing, what many consider to be, the best guitar player of our era, right? These guys could be replaced tomorrow with a couple of guys who have nothing on their resumes but a couple of bar gigs and it wouldn't change jack.

Edited December 10, 2012 by bringbackadler

[Nosaj Thing]

Having the creativity to write, record and finish an album is not the same as releasing it. A lot of people said (including Axl himself) that there is a lot of unreleased material. It was also said by Axl and others that the business side of things is difficult to solve.

I don't really know what's the single reason for it, or if there are more then one, but I highly doubt it's cause of lack of creativity.

That's all I was talking about, not the reason why we don't have more albums by now. We can only guess and assume, but none of us really know.

Yes, there's a lot of unreleased material and I won't argue with that, but since when? The fact that Axl can't get in the studio with his new team (let's say since Bumblefoot joined?) and record/release new music give you the hint that maybe, just maybe... he's done? Or would you say that he still has creativity in him by releasing 1998-2002 Chinese Democracy leftovers?

[Iron MikeyJ]

I'm just saying history has a way of repeating it's self. Everybody that was in gnr back in 93' said on record that they all knew it was going to end when they got off the road, that's why they toured for so long back then. I'm just saying Axl might be able to sense the same thing again. Hopefully not, but this is Axl and gnr we are talking about here, stranger things have happened in the past. Could Axl and gnr recover from losing Tommy or Bumble, yes. But I don't know how much motivation Axl would have left if that happened. And is Gnr holding back Bumble and Tommy? In a way yes. Sure they are playing to the biggest audience's of their entire career, but they are also becoming a traveling Juke box. Every musician that has ever played a significant amount of shows will tell you that playing the same stuff night after night gets not only old, but quite boring. So do I think some members in gnr might wish that they were playing a little dive bar but their own music as oppsed to playing the same guns songs everynight? Hell Yes. But they are also realistic and business men. What's best for their pocketbooks and families might not be whats best for their personal musical desires. Do they guys enjoy being in Guns, yes I'm sure they do. But it is also probably really hard and tiresome sometimes. Every member of this band has been pretty much living on the road for the last three plus years. You can't say that doesn't take it's tole after a while.

I am by no means saying that this is what I want to happen, purely specualtion. But that's all we all do on these forums is just speculate.

Let me ask you this what do you think Tommy, Bumble, Richard, and DJ would rather play their own original music or Classic gnr stuff?

Edited December 10, 2012 by Mike420

[Rovim]

Having the creativity to write, record and finish an album is not the same as releasing it. A lot of people said (including Axl himself) that there is a lot of unreleased material. It was also said by Axl and others that the business side of things is difficult to solve.

I don't really know what's the single reason for it, or if there are more then one, but I highly doubt it's cause of lack of creativity.

That's all I was talking about, not the reason why we don't have more albums by now. We can only guess and assume, but none of us really know.

Yes, there's a lot of unreleased material and I won't argue with that, but since when? The fact that Axl can't get in the studio with his new team (let's say since Bumblefoot joined?) and record/release new music give you the hint that maybe, just maybe... he's done? Or would you say that he still has creativity in him by releasing 1998-2002 Chinese Democracy leftovers?

Done? Done with what? He was stuck in a studio for years, and admitted it was a shitty process. My guess is that he wants to have fun and tour (and yes make money too) and just enjoy the fruits of his labor.

We don't feel the same way cause we got one fucking album in 20 years and we're hardcore fans and most of us have seen many shows by now.

For Axl, I think it's not really relevant. He doesn't care that we want a new album now, he doesn't care that we want something new. It took him a really long time to build this thing, to rebuild this line up that is finally holding up and actually enjoy what he's doing instead of struggling to keep it alive.

He has all those songs that are probably done with Bucket and Robin, he seems to enjoy this long ass tour, and it doesn't seem like he wants to enter a studio with the current members cause if he wanted to, he would by now don't you think?

He's got the next album or two finished, and he can just tour his ass off before he's too old for such an intensive tour. Have fun and make money or enter a studio with this new line up when he has stuff recorded, and he was locked in a room recording and producing it for years? hmmm...

My estimation: He'll take a nice long break after the tour is over, thinking what he wants to do, and then maybe do some more recording on top of what he has and release that and see what's next. On Axl time.

I don't like that process but that's how it goes in Gn'R land.

[Bruno P.]

Listen , They are getting the biggest pay checks of their lives.

You know that how?

In all honesty, no. Axl Rose owns them with hiring contracts. One word against Axl or his attitude and they're fiiiiiiirrrrrrreeeeeeedd! Sad but true.

You think? I guess you missed some of Ron's rants... and Tommy and Axl hugging themselves after a big fight in 2006. And the story about Ron trying to stab his band mates because they were being assholes...

You do realize that Axl was foolish enough to continue with GNR despite losing, what many consider to be, the best guitar player of our era, right?

You have to go out more. Listen to more music. If you rank Slash over Jimi or Eddie - historically, not subjectively - you have issues. Serious issues. Something is terribly wrong with you. I mean, I know you're a dedicated cupcake, but if you believe that Slash is the best of our era I'll be worried about you now.

[BBA]

You have to go out more. Listen to more music. If you rank Slash over Jimi or Eddie - historically, not subjectively - you have issues. Serious issues. Something is terribly wrong with you. I mean, I know you're a dedicated cupcake, but if you believe that Slash is the best of our era I'll be worried about you now.

Learn to read, kid. I clearly stated "who many consider to be", I didn't say what I thought. Besides, Slash was ranked the #2 "best guitar player of all time" in separate polls, only behind Hendrix. And you want to talk issues, mister "BBF is awesome"? You and 4 other nerds on the planet actually like his solo shit and you're worried about me? Too funny.

Edited December 10, 2012 by bringbackadler

[ManetsBR]

I think BBA's "era" was far more specific than "all the recorded music history". Slash, as stated by BBA, is considered by many the greatest guitarist of the 90s.

I may be wrong though. Although, to my very own surprise, I agree with everything BBA wrote on this topic.

[realpoti]

BBA has to be the most delusional guy I've ever seen in my entire life. Man, how can anyone spend so much time with something they don't like ? Maybe he's an entity runned by a large group of cupcakes; I can't really believe there's only one guy talking so much shit in a few pages.

[ManetsBR]

I don't think he was all that wrong this time.