Do you think any of the bandmates have confronted Axl about lack of new material/recording/studio time?

[Bruno P.]

You have to go out more. Listen to more music. If you rank Slash over Jimi or Eddie - historically, not subjectively - you have issues. Serious issues. Something is terribly wrong with you. I mean, I know you're a dedicated cupcake, but if you believe that Slash is the best of our era I'll be worried about you now.

Learn to read, kid. I clearly stated "who many consider to be", I didn't say what I thought. Besides, Slash was ranked the #2 "best guitar player of all time" in separate polls, only behind Hendrix. And you want to talk issues, mister "BBF is awesome"? You and 4 other nerds on the planet actually like his solo shit and you're worried about me? Too funny.

I don't know if you believe that Slash's the greatest, but I'm pretty sure you do. Anyway, I find hard to believe that ANYONE would say that. Polls don't matter, though, but if you're talking about polls...

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/the-20-greatest-shred-guitarists-of-all-time-461030/5

http://www.bumblefoot.com/press/200507-digitaldreamdoor/200507-digitaldreamdoor.htm

We could argue all day about polls because most are based on popularity. This one, though, is a bit different... "This list is compiled of how the artist is: creative, versatile, technical skill, discipline and technique, not based on popularity."

Doesn't change the fact that I couldn't care less about polls, but whatever. I had to post these.

[ManetsBR]

Well, what I think BBA is trying to say here is that Axl lost Slash, which is considered by many (not by me, that's for sure, I really don't like Slash, really) one of the greatest guitarist of the last decades, and that didn't make him stop.

OK, he was looking forward to a more industrial sound thus Slash wasn't so necessary... But he lost Buckethead and Robin Finck, which together with Brain were the greatest line-up GNR ever had, in my opinion. Anyway, that didn't make him stop either.

So don't think not even for a second that if Tommy and Bumblefoot left, there would be no Guns N' Roses anymore, I think that's what BBA is trying to say and I think he is right.

[Nosaj Thing]

I don't think anyone would consider Slash to be the best guitarist, but he was, is and always will be the perfect fit for Guns N' Roses.

[BBA]

Well, what I think BBA is trying to say here is that Axl lost Slash, which is considered by many one of the greatest guitarist of the last decades, and that didn't make him stop.

OK, he was looking forward to a more industrial sound thus Slash wasn't so necessary... But he lost Buckethead and Robin Finck, which together with Brain were the greatest line-up GNR ever had, in my opinion. Anyway, that didn't make him stop either.

So don't think not even for a second that if Tommy and Bumblefoot left, there would be no Guns N' Roses anymore, I think that's what BBA is trying to say and I think he is right.

You got it, young Manets. Thanks.

Edited December 10, 2012 by bringbackadler

[wasted]

I think that Slash also is a bit of road warrior. That's what those guys wanted to do, do a quick record and hit the road again. It's kind of Axl would wanted to do something a bit better in the studio. That's how I see it, Bucket, Finck, Brain those guys were perfect for the record, but they didnt really want to tour as much. So at first the guys like Ron and Dj probably brought in to tour but now I feel like theyve earned a shot at being on a record. Ron already is so I'm not sure what the big deal is. Dj I think could do a cool song with Axl.

[gunsguy]

Yes I am sure they are dying to record

Edited December 10, 2012 by gunsguy

[alfa75]

The irony of all this is staggering:

In the old days, Axl complained about Slash's chemical addictions and now he is clean.

Slash complained about all the Big budget videos, and now Axl doesn't make ANY, Slash also complained about starting shows 2-3 hrs late and even this is improving.

They are actually a better match now than before, except that Slash puts out music regularly, and Axl? Well.....

No one can seriously argue that Slash is the most technically proficient player of any generation, but he is the most iconic and he has written the iconic guitar parts for SCOM, WTTJ, NR, Estranged which frankly trumps anything any of those "shredders" have ever written, except for dedicated guitar aficionados. BBF even said himself that Slash did what all guitarists aspire to in writing the SCOM riff which is arguably the most iconic in Rock history.

[trqster]

The irony of all this is staggering:

In the old days, Axl complained about Slash's chemical addictions and now he is clean.

Slash complained about all the Big budget videos, and now Axl doesn't make ANY, Slash also complained about starting shows 2-3 hrs late and even this is improving.

They are actually a better match now than before, except that Slash puts out music regularly, and Axl? Well.....

No one can seriously argue that Slash is the most technically proficient player of any generation, but he is the most iconic and he has written the iconic guitar parts for SCOM, WTTJ, NR, Estranged which frankly trumps anything any of those "shredders" have ever written, except for dedicated guitar aficionados. BBF even said himself that Slash did what all guitarists aspire to in writing the SCOM riff which is arguably the most iconic in Rock history.

You're right, but one mustn't forget that Axl releases new music under GnR name which is a huge weight on his shoulders in terms of expectations and after CD failing to make a huge impression on the industry and fans alike, what does Axl really has to gain with a new GnR album release? More frustration and loss of confidence?

Axl is a much happier man imo just touring GnR greatest hits around the world and making some good money along. So will be the other 'band members' that at the end of the day are there for the paycheck.

[Redhead74]

I think it's more telling whether or not they have the talent to write new material. They are not going to confront Axl if they don't really have the inclination to write new material. They would be content to keep playing the old stuff live. The money is in touring, so unless they are heavily driven to produce new material, they'll just keep touring. Bucket appears to be evidence of this.

[username]

Probably, but this isn't a democracy anymore it's a Rosetatorship.

(can somebody with some photoshop skills combine that statement with the Walking Dead Ricktatorship meme?)

I've been following this band long enough to know that a statement isn't reliable if it's not made by Axl Rose himself.

I could see Bumble confronting Axl, he's often open about his frustrations. But it won't help.

DJ just says whatever he wants to spark interest, make money, sell swag and be a giant douche.

Edited December 10, 2012 by username

[Bruno P.]

DJ just says whatever he wants to spark interest, make money, sell swag and be a giant douche.

[Guest NewGNRnOldGNR]

What do they do during NuGNR's down-time? Play local bars.

This isn't an accurate observation. Bumblefoot can't book anything besides sporadic appearances @ small venues because of GN'R's more frequent planning after 2009. He fits in appearances with well followed musicians like Lita Ford and Salem where he can. You are delusional if you think a player of Bumblefoot's calibre would be workless without Guns N' Roses. And that doesn't even consider his elaborate producing committments with numerous upcoming talents.

Edited December 10, 2012 by NewGNRnOldGNR

[BBA]

What do they do during NuGNR's down-time? Play local bars.

This isn't an accurate observation. Bumblefoot can't book anything besides sporadic appearances @ small venues because of GN'R's more frequent planning after 2009. He fits in appearances with well followed musicians like Lita Ford and Salem where he can. You are delusional if you think a player of Bumblefoot's calibre would be workless without Guns N' Roses. And that doesn't even consider his elaborate producing committments with numerous upcoming talents.

Yeeeah. It is NuGNR's fault that BBF can only play small venues. It has nothing to do with the fact that he doesn't appeal to a very large audience. Good call on your part, sherlock. Again, it has nothing to do with 9 out of 10 Americans not knowing who BBF even is.

[Dazey]

This isn't an accurate observation. Bumblefoot can't book anything besides sporadic appearances @ small venues because of GN'R's more frequent planning after 2009. He fits in appearances with well followed musicians like Lita Ford and Salem where he can. You are delusional if you think a player of Bumblefoot's calibre would be workless without Guns N' Roses. And that doesn't even consider his elaborate producing committments with numerous upcoming talents.

Yeeeah. It is NuGNR's fault that BBF can only play small venues. It has nothing to do with the fact that he doesn't appeal to a very large audience. Good call on your part, sherlock. Again, it has nothing to do with 9 out of 10 Americans not knowing who BBF even is.

In fairness 9 out of 10 Americans don't even know what a salad is so that's not saying much.

Edited December 10, 2012 by Dazey

[HisRoyalSweetness]

it's entirely possible that they don't want to have their names associated with one of axl's post HOF flop albums. as it stands, they can show up, play some awesome classics to a rabid bunch of fans, then get paid and go home. where's the fun in toiling for 10 years on original new songs for axl? the songs are going to suck and outside of 20 online nerds, nobody's really going to like the new stuff or care that they bothered making it. why go through that nightmare with axl to come out the other end with a bunch of embarrassing songs that nobody likes?

[dalsh327]

What do they do during NuGNR's down-time? Play local bars.

This isn't an accurate observation. Bumblefoot can't book anything besides sporadic appearances @ small venues because of GN'R's more frequent planning after 2009. He fits in appearances with well followed musicians like Lita Ford and Salem where he can. You are delusional if you think a player of Bumblefoot's calibre would be workless without Guns N' Roses. And that doesn't even consider his elaborate producing committments with numerous upcoming talents.

The past couple of years? He's fortunate he's even able to play.

He was talking about getting a second place in Vegas, so he must be doing okay. Makes sense if it's a few hours from LA, can find a place where he can build a home studio on par with any professional facility. I'm sure he spent some time looking at real estate listings and talking to DJ about it. Maybe GNR will record the next album there.

I don't even know how recording studios stay open, I'm sure the ones in LA have to be hurting and slashed costs in the past decade.

Down side - he ain't getting away from storms, cold weather, or potential flooding.

[rckn]

BBA you got it right. The thing is, what could possible be the reason for Rose to ever release anything? I won´t sell. In order to keep

fans interested, there should be a way to do it. (Like l..ks) Only way really.

[BBA]

BBA you got it right. The thing is, what could possible be the reason for Rose to ever release anything? I won´t sell. In order to keep

fans interested, there should be a way to do it. (Like l..ks) Only way really.

I agree with you. Axl doesn't really have any real incentive. If it's in the same vein as Chinese, it will receieve similar or worse reception. He already has "the highest selling debut album of all time" on his resume. From there, how do you really top that - or even come close to matching that success? Especially, when you're dealing with a completely different band?

Btw, what is "I..ks". I'm not familiar.

Edited December 10, 2012 by bringbackadler

[dalsh327]

it's entirely possible that they don't want to have their names associated with one of axl's post HOF flop albums. as it stands, they can show up, play some awesome classics to a rabid bunch of fans, then get paid and go home. where's the fun in toiling for 10 years on original new songs for axl? the songs are going to suck and outside of 20 online nerds, nobody's really going to like the new stuff or care that they bothered making it. why go through that nightmare with axl to come out the other end with a bunch of embarrassing songs that nobody likes?

Axl wasn't just working on 14 songs that entire time.

Why would the new songs suck?

[izzydoezit]

What do they do during NuGNR's down-time? Play local bars.

This isn't an accurate observation. Bumblefoot can't book anything besides sporadic appearances @ small venues because of GN'R's more frequent planning after 2009. He fits in appearances with well followed musicians like Lita Ford and Salem where he can. You are delusional if you think a player of Bumblefoot's calibre would be workless without Guns N' Roses. And that doesn't even consider his elaborate producing committments with numerous upcoming talents.

Yeeeah. It is NuGNR's fault that BBF can only play small venues. It has nothing to do with the fact that he doesn't appeal to a very large audience. Good call on your part, sherlock. Again, it has nothing to do with 9 out of 10 Americans not knowing who BBF even is.

make that 1 out of 10000 and you might be right.

[rckn]

"It won´t sell"

L..ks are basicly something that can be used in order to monitor fans reactions. Like before CD.

We allready knew every song... I think that Mr F. could do his job and push this to happen.

[Towelie]

the songs are going to suck and outside of 20 online nerds, nobody's really going to like the new stuff or care that they bothered making it.

Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

Chinese Democracy sold 260k in it's first week in the US and nearly 700k overall. That's just the US. Rolling Stone put it at number 12 of the best albums of 2008.

Plenty of people care.

Edited December 10, 2012 by Towelie

[rckn]

Plenty of people care.

Not anymore.

[izzydoezit]

with small band standards, yes.

[jimb0]

If the music is good, and has a good GNR vibe. It will sell.