wasted Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 For me UYI is Right Next Door to Hell Bad ObsessionDont Cry Nov Rain The GardenComaYou Could Be MineYesterdays Breakdown Pretty Tied Up Estranged Civil WarThat would have made a strong single album.
dalsh327 Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 I don't agree EstrangedTWAT, i think the whole sound effects and sayings in the tracks tell a story and i think that's why Axl did it that way... not because he was "stoned".Don't agree at all with what you said about Double Talkin' Jive! It's one of the best songs in the album!The Use Your Illusion albums were meant to tell a story... that's why it was a double album with the input of everyone and that's why the "dead" image on the booklet and that's why it was a complex double album with a lot of directions musically.I feel it was the band leting people know that the band was going through some rough times and that they could end anytime soon. Mostly because of their personal lifes!All of them were going through some rough times. Axl with his relationship and the media attacks he was receiving daily, Slash that almost died with his drug addiction and alcohol problems, Izzy with the same kind of problems with drugs, Adler who had just been replaced and all the legal shit that delayed the band and also Duff with his alcohol/drug problems.If you notice almost in every song, the theme is actually something to do with some kind of drama going on around that time... it's not necessairly like AFD, where even thought they're telling the truth in all of their songs, they're just speaking and leting people know in general how the rock n' roll lifestyle works...Use Your Illusions, it's a joined effort of everyone just venting on their problems with press, relationships, drugs, alcohol...so i think it definitely brings some meaning to the songs to have the talks and sound effects. It goes with it perfectly!I think that's why they got so mainstream during that time... because they were actually really giving a piece of their personal life to the public, instead of just writting on general rock n roll stuff like in AFD.It wasn't THAT well thought out as a batch of songs. It was ambitious at the time to put that much material at once but it's a quantity vs quality issue. Part of why people like GNR was the messy part of it, but I don't know if the members of the band could listen to it in one sitting now without criticizing the crap out of it.
Tyler Drama Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Myself:-Put Izzy's guitar parts higher in the mix. Lower Slash's rhythm parts. Equalize Slash's and Izzy's leads.-Mix the guitars rawer and more prominent. The guitar sound as it is is very mushed together and sludgy. Make them as sharp and clear as a razor blade.-Drop the reverb on Matt's drums.-Get rid of some of the sound effects (Example sloshing sounds in Garden of Eden, telephone call in KOHD). Retain others (example Civil War intro is iconic)-Pump up Duff's bass in some songs. YCBM for example.- Cut Dizzy's arms off.Dizzy's only on a couple tracks, actually. Axl played most of the piano/keyboard.
Vincent Vega Posted January 31, 2013 Author Posted January 31, 2013 Myself:-Put Izzy's guitar parts higher in the mix. Lower Slash's rhythm parts. Equalize Slash's and Izzy's leads.-Mix the guitars rawer and more prominent. The guitar sound as it is is very mushed together and sludgy. Make them as sharp and clear as a razor blade.-Drop the reverb on Matt's drums.-Get rid of some of the sound effects (Example sloshing sounds in Garden of Eden, telephone call in KOHD). Retain others (example Civil War intro is iconic)-Pump up Duff's bass in some songs. YCBM for example.- Cut Dizzy's arms off.Dizzy's only on a couple tracks, actually. Axl played most of the piano/keyboard.And he never overpowers the sound. I never get the Dizzy qualms, it's not like you even really hear him all that much.
classicrawker Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Why would anyone want to elimate songs? just don't listen to thee ones you don't like.I would release the raw demos that Slash said kicked ass before Axl got his hands on them........
Ragnar Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) RemoveEstrangedLOLblockWhat`s so special about that bloated, self indulgent, boring snoozefest of a song ? Edited January 31, 2013 by Son of a Guns
Ragnar Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Myself:-Put Izzy's guitar parts higher in the mix. Lower Slash's rhythm parts. Equalize Slash's and Izzy's leads.-Mix the guitars rawer and more prominent. The guitar sound as it is is very mushed together and sludgy. Make them as sharp and clear as a razor blade.-Drop the reverb on Matt's drums.-Get rid of some of the sound effects (Example sloshing sounds in Garden of Eden, telephone call in KOHD). Retain others (example Civil War intro is iconic)-Pump up Duff's bass in some songs. YCBM for example.- Cut Dizzy's arms off.Dizzy's only on a couple tracks, actually. Axl played most of the piano/keyboard.Axl played piano only on November Rain, 14 Years, Yesterdays, Breakdown and Estranged, keyboards on Live And Let Die, Perfect Crime and Garden of Eden the rest is Dizzy
Roush Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Maybe one day, the guys will get together and perfect UYI. The most annoying thing is the quality songwriting is submerged in production qualms, and terrible mixing. Dust 'N' Bones sounds like it could've been in a John Wayne film. The writing chops are there. It sounds like boozy bar rock. Unfortunately, Slash's guitar tone sounds like shit, Matt's drums don't have any snap to 'em, and it needs more rhythm guitar interplay.
Guest NGOG Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) RemoveEstrangedLOLblockWhat`s so special about that bloated, self indulgent, boring snoozefest of a song ?I'm all about protecting the subjectivity of music. But in this case, no, you're completely wrong. Edited January 31, 2013 by NGOG
LetMeHearItNow... Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 -Remove the unnecessary songsLive and Let DieGarden of EdenBad ApplesDead HorseKnockin' on Heaven's DoorGet in the RingShotgun BluesBreakdownSo FineDon't Cry (alt)My World-Remove Slash's rhythm guitar parts, replace them with anything-Put Izzy higher in the mix in the songs he is on-Drop the reverb on Matt's drums-Drop some of the more extravagant sound effectsBreakdown?!? Are you serious?
bacardimayne Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 -Remove the unnecessary songsLive and Let DieGarden of EdenBad ApplesDead HorseKnockin' on Heaven's DoorGet in the RingShotgun BluesBreakdownSo FineDon't Cry (alt)My World-Remove Slash's rhythm guitar parts, replace them with anything-Put Izzy higher in the mix in the songs he is on-Drop the reverb on Matt's drums-Drop some of the more extravagant sound effectsBreakdown?!? Are you serious?Deadly serious. One of GNR's worst songs.
Flayer Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) RemoveEstrangedLOLblockWhat`s so special about that bloated, self indulgent, boring snoozefest of a song ?I'm all about protecting the subjectivity of music. But in this case, no, you're completely wrong.Taste in music is subjective. But say you have a guy who likes eating Kraft Mac N' Cheese, a guy who likes steak dinners, and a guy who enjoys eating buckets of fingernails. I think the other two have the right to feel a little superior to the third guy. Edited January 31, 2013 by Flayer
bacardimayne Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) RemoveEstrangedLOLblockWhat`s so special about that bloated, self indulgent, boring snoozefest of a song ?I'm all about protecting the subjectivity of music. But in this case, no, you're completely wrong.Taste in music is subjective. But say you have a guy who likes eating Kraft Mac N' Cheese, a guy who likes steak dinners, and a guy who enjoys eating buckets of fingernails. I think the other two have the right to feel a little superior to the third guy.At the end of the day, it's all fuckin GNR. Not like we're discussing Mozart or something with actual substance. Edited January 31, 2013 by bacardimayne
DieselDaisy Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Axl ruined them by sleeping in the studio and adding loads of overdubs.
Stro Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 I would get rid of the harmonica on Bad Obsession. The live versions at the start of the UYI tour that didn't have Zig Zag were infinitely better. The harmonica instantly dates it and makes it sound like an Aerosmith B-side instead of a good GNR song that it sounds like without it.
T.wa.T Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Get rid of most of the sound effects. I like the sounds added to Perfect Crime, Garden of Eden. Dont mind the Breakdown reading. Coma a little overboard with all the nurses and doctors.Make Izzys guitar louderLess reverb on Matts drums
T.wa.T Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 My World should be blitzed.I like My World. Except it doesnt fit the albums or GnR, thats why people take digs at it for the most part.
chinaman33 Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Dude...breakdown is fuckin amazing. lets think about this....
bacardimayne Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) Dude...breakdown is fuckin amazing.lets think about this.... By far the worst of the "GNR epics" (songs longer than 6 minutes). It has potential, but the instrumentation all in all is just horrendous. Edited February 1, 2013 by bacardimayne
Nosaj Thing Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 My World should be blitzed.I like My World. Except it doesnt fit the albums or GnR, thats why people take digs at it for the most part.I don't know why people consider it a song, it's more like an outro.
T.wa.T Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Me neither, seems like he was just messing around and wound up liking it. Really had no place on any GnR album.My World should be blitzed.I like My World. Except it doesnt fit the albums or GnR, thats why people take digs at it for the most part.I don't know why people consider it a song, it's more like an outro.
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