Vincent Vega Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Was the Grunge/Alternative era (Generally from around 1992-1997) the last great era of Rock Music? What do you guys feel? I think the subculture that went along with Grunge is really cool. I'm not a fan of Nirvana so much except for their more introspective songs--In Utero's softer songs and things like Do Re Mi and you know you're right. But I think it was probably the final great leap for Rock Music....If not Grunge, then perhaps the kind of music Evanesence was playing back in 2003. Evanescence was huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Who knows. Who cares really? Music is totally subjective. Over a hundred years ago they thought Marching Band music was the pinnacle of human entertainment.In another hundred years, nobody will remember what "rock" was and all this petty arguing won't mean shit.Just enjoy what you enjoy and accept that it doesn't mean a goddamn thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Who knows. Who cares really? Music is totally subjective. Over a hundred years ago they thought Marching Band music was the pinnacle of human entertainment.In another hundred years, nobody will remember what "rock" was and all this petty arguing won't mean shit.Just enjoy what you enjoy and accept that it doesn't mean a goddamn thing.I enjoy talking about it though, so it does mean a goddamn thing to me.I'm simply asking if Grunge was the last big leap forward for Rock and I wanna hear other opinions...And maybe some Grunge era nostalgia. Edited February 12, 2013 by Vincent Vega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 What about NuMetal? Korn and Limp Bizkit and even bands like Slipknot were all super popular after grunge. Doesn't that count as the next leap forward for rock? Or does it not count if you simply don't like those bands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 What about NuMetal? Korn and Limp Bizkit and even bands like Slipknot were all super popular after grunge. Doesn't that count as the next leap forward for rock? Or does it not count if you simply don't like those bands?I don't think NuMetal really was ever the countercultural force that Grunge was. Even if Grunge wasn't a real movement, Grunge helped shaped the way people dressed, the way music was tailored etc...It was a counterculture even if it didn't want to be. NuMetal not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 What about NuMetal? Korn and Limp Bizkit and even bands like Slipknot were all super popular after grunge. Doesn't that count as the next leap forward for rock? Or does it not count if you simply don't like those bands?I don't think NuMetal really was ever the countercultural force that Grunge was. Even if Grunge wasn't a real movement, Grunge helped shaped the way people dressed, the way music was tailored etc...It was a counterculture even if it didn't want to be. NuMetal not so much.Counterculture is supposed to rally against the mainstream. Grunge was part of the mainstream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) What about NuMetal? Korn and Limp Bizkit and even bands like Slipknot were all super popular after grunge. Doesn't that count as the next leap forward for rock? Or does it not count if you simply don't like those bands?I don't think NuMetal really was ever the countercultural force that Grunge was. Even if Grunge wasn't a real movement, Grunge helped shaped the way people dressed, the way music was tailored etc...It was a counterculture even if it didn't want to be. NuMetal not so much.Counterculture is supposed to rally against the mainstream. Grunge was part of the mainstream.It wasn't at all part of the mainstream at first. It was an alternative and a rally against the reigning music of the era--Hair/Sleaze Metal, Pop, and all the manufactured musical crap of the '80s. Even looks wise Grunge shunned the "larger than life", big clothes, big hair and neon colors of the mainstream.....It's sort of like the Hippies in that for a brief time they were the counterculture...and then they WERE the culture. Meaning the counterculture had consumed the mainstream and influenced it, rather than just being an outside thing.Grunge for years was an underground thing--from the late 80s or so until around '92...Then it hit the mainstream and it became the new norm...People began wearing "grungewear", shit kids in Seattle had been wearing for years, the dirty unwashed look became fashionable....The music was not just some underground Seattle thing anymore, you had bands wanting to be Grunge who weren't.It's similar to the Hippies in that the Hippies were an underground force for years as the Beatniks and whatnot and then they exploded onto to mainstream around '67 and by '69 almost everyone was trying to be a Hippie and the music of the Hippies influenced others.... Edited February 12, 2013 by Vincent Vega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Stop. Making. The same. Fucking. Threads. Over and over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 By "great" do you mean popular in the mainstream? Because I much prefer modern rock to 90s grunge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Lahey Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) In the 90's for rock music you had the grunge bands, NIN, RATM and Oasis. Nu Metal was fucking shit and is pretty much laughed at now. And the 2000's has really had no great bands, although I like KOL and The Strokes. Edited February 12, 2013 by Randy Lahey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfse Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 By "great" do you mean popular in the mainstream? Because I much prefer modern rock to 90s grunge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Counterculture is supposed to rally against the mainstream. Grunge was part of the mainstream.this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Nu metal. That garage revival. Metalcore? There was the detroit scene too. its really just magazines selling copies. It does help to navigate through. Post rock too. Trip hop. Drum and bass. Dub step now. The new thing in rock is nostalgia tours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Miser, are you just quoting some old Newsweek article? Or wikipedia? You're simply regurgitating things you read or saw on VH1.Grunge wasn't a revolution. It was just the next phase of mainstream corporate music that was forced on the public after Color Me Badd got unfashionable. No different from the shitty pop music today.It didn't "change society" in any way other than people wore flannel for a little while. Edited February 12, 2013 by estrangedtwat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Miser, are you just quoting some old Newsweek article? Or wikipedia? You're simply regurgitating things you read or saw on VH1.Grunge wasn't a revolution. It was just the next phase of mainstream corporate music that was forced on the public after Color Me Badd got unfashionable. No different from the shitty pop music today.It didn't "change society" in any way other than people wore flannel for a little while.exactly.it is the same shit you see on tv whether it is on vh1, mtv or cnn when talking about the 90s "how grunge changed the world" and how "kurt cobain changed the world" these people are full of shit. like you said for 5 or 6 years some kids wore flannel, it put seattle on the map, and then the fad was over, these kids dropped the flannel, put on some jnco pants jean and started listening to limp bizkit and korn.then that fad ended and it was on to the next."grunge" was the hair metal of the 1990s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) The mainstream kind of disarms what it sees as a threat and eventually chooses what is more palatable. Grunge is what the fashion world called it. Sub pop was the label. Mudhoney was the band. Edited February 12, 2013 by wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKKDARK Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Garage Rock revival, in the early 00s. That was the last great era of Rock music.The White Stripes, The Strokes, The Hives, The Black Keys, Kings of Leon, etc. Edited February 12, 2013 by JKKDARK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 ^ Yeah but's that all been such a failure IMO. None of that has been Nevermind or Ten big let alone Superunknown/Dirt/STP big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Grungewear was awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) maybe the last great mainstream rock music. The whole post-hardcore thing in the 90's and 00's and the hardcore punk of today is more musically satisfying to me, really feels like the only scene where guitar/bass/vocal/drum bands are creating something powerful and original. There've also been some great progressive rock bands like Porupine Tree, The Mars Volta, and Coheed and Cambria. all the indie rock shit of the last decade just bores me to tears though. Edited February 12, 2013 by sweetness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpin' Jack Flash Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Miser is on point this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) The bands grunge was influenced by, the ones that showed the way, your Scratch Acids and your Meat Puppets and your Big Blacks were 100 times more interesting than anything grunge came out with, pretty much when a formula is settled upon then it's like...i dunno, it's a matter of time before the energy dissapates, becomes less exciting if you like. Edited February 14, 2013 by sugaraylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Yeah, I guess so. Alt rock is still going -and it sucks hard, but it's not going anywhere. Current alt rock is just a bunch of one-rhythm songs with a singer whispering something with lotza reverb.Nu metal was big back in the day. How many kids bought seven string guitars because of bands like korn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Grungewear was awesome.I virtually wore the same jeans and shirt for a decade. im the kind of guy that sleeps in his clothes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Lahey Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I left my Doc Martens in the back of some chick's car and never looked back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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