MattElias Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Just me that thinks that this version is way better than the final one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlisOld Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Swap Robin's solo for the Bucket.one, and it'd be awesome. Guess I'm one of the people who.actually liked the album version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattElias Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 Swap Robin's solo for the Bucket.one, and it'd be awesome. Guess I'm one of the people who.actually liked the album version.I like it too, but i thought this one way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Swap Robin's solo for the Bucket.one, and it'd be awesome. Guess I'm one of the people who.actually liked the album version.I love the album version.Are the vocals different on this demo? They have to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 No, this audio has been messed with and retuned. This is not the real demo.This is the REAL 1999 version: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeartBreaker Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Please can someone re-upload this and twat? I've lost them both over the years and I think IRS sounds awesome. Sort of laid back vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Are the vocals different on this demo? They have to be.Correct. The 1999 demos of IRS, Catcher and TWAT have different vocals because they are the Seaven Beaven versions. Not the re-recorded versions by Roy Thomas Baker that the actual album is worked off of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattElias Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) Are the vocals different on this demo? They have to be.Correct. The 1999 demos of IRS, Catcher and TWAT have different vocals because they are the Seaven Beaven versions. Not the re-recorded versions by Roy Thomas Baker that the actual album is worked off ofGood to knowNo, this audio has been messed with and retuned. This is not the real demo.This is the REAL 1999 version: That's something that i don't understand on CD. The guitars sound is too low. Somebody has any hypothesis why they did that? Edited April 2, 2013 by MattElias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) The vocal tracks on the 1999 demos are exactly the same as the album versionsThis posted version is just Axl's vocals digitally altered to be higher pitched. However, the real 1999 demos are in the same key and it is very evident that the vocal tracks are indeed the sameEdit: take the 2006 demo and using Audacity increase the pitch by 1/2 step (5.946%) - there is the "fake 1999" in the first post Edited April 2, 2013 by WhazUp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The vocal tracks on the 1999 demos are exactly the same as the album versionsReally cause I'm pretty sure if you listen to the album version of TWAT and the 199 demo the way he says "broken glass and cigarettes, writing on the wall" are quite different from one another. Same key...just sung kinda differently, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattElias Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 The vocal tracks on the 1999 demos are exactly the same as the album versionsThis posted version is just Axl's vocals digitally altered to be higher pitched. However, the real 1999 demos are in the same key and it is very evident that the vocal tracks are indeed the sameEdit: take the 2006 demo and using Audacity increase the pitch by 1/2 step (5.946%) - there is the "fake 1999" demo posted in this topicOh, i was so excited that this version was way better, and then you throw on me this cold water bucket. Ahh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The vocal tracks on the 1999 demos are exactly the same as the album versionsReally cause I'm pretty sure if you listen to the album version of TWAT and the 199 demo the way he says "broken glass and cigarettes, writing on the wall" are quite different from one another. Same key...just sung kinda differently, ya know?I know what you are talking about, and if you try to play along to the song on guitar you will notice that the 1999 demos are not perfectly in tune with normal concert pitchMy reasoning for this is the tape speed being ever so slightly off when the songs were being transferred from tape to digital. If you listen to the IRS, Catcher, and TWAT demos from 1999 they are off pitch because of this but the vocal tracks are indeed the same as the later demos and the album versions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Roses Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Shit, i can't find any CD demo download link except the antiquiet version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl Rose aka God Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The original demos for IRS and Catcher make ChiDem seem like it was meant for an entirely different direction and that Axl decided to go with a more industrial/produced sound later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Crazy to think this song is at least 14 years old. 14 years prior to my birth the Beatles were still several years from breaking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumandraisin Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The 99 demo of IRS is superb, so refreshing to hear a new GNR song that only has 2 guitarists, as opposed to like 6 on TWAT on the album. Also i love the police sirens in it. I'd kill for the Sean Beaven version of CD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I liked that demo... too bad it was such bad quality. I wouldn't put the sirens though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumandraisin Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 And another thing i wish we had more of Josh Freese's drumming. We have the IRS, TWAT and Catcher demo's but thats it. Imagine hearing Street of Dreams or the original short punchy Chinese Democracy demo's. Ahh a fan can only dream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Nothing beats the final product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 It is. The same goes from the TWAT demo from that era, the live version of The Blues 2001 and the Catcher leak with Brian May. This is the Chinese Democracy I'd want to hear most. The 1999/2000 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I really don't get it. Yes, CD has some moments where you get lost midst the 5 guitars and 7 synth effects but this 1999 IRS version just doesn't have the aggressiveness the final version has. It's just weak, IMO. I stand be my 'you guys grew accustomed to these versions' theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I really don't get it. Yes, CD has some moments where you get lost midst the 5 guitars and 7 synth effects but this 1999 IRS version just doesn't have the aggressiveness the final version has. It's just weak, IMO. I stand be my 'you guys grew accustomed to these versions' theory.I know what you mean, but I do think a lot of that has to do with it not being a final mix. It could do with some better mixing, though I love it's raw feel. But they shouldn't have kept adding to it imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Roses Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The only good thing in the final version of Catcher is Ron's guitar work in its ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) The vocal tracks on the 1999 demos are exactly the same as the album versionsReally cause I'm pretty sure if you listen to the album version of TWAT and the 199 demo the way he says "broken glass and cigarettes, writing on the wall" are quite different from one another. Same key...just sung kinda differently, ya know?I know what you are talking about, and if you try to play along to the song on guitar you will notice that the 1999 demos are not perfectly in tune with normal concert pitchMy reasoning for this is the tape speed being ever so slightly off when the songs were being transferred from tape to digital. If you listen to the IRS, Catcher, and TWAT demos from 1999 they are off pitch because of this but the vocal tracks are indeed the same as the later demos and the album versionsyou could be right, now that I think about it. It would make sense for Axl to want to use vocals from when he was younger anyway. I was just re-listening to the REAL demo of IRS from 1999 and thinking to myself that the record would've been much cooler had it just come out around that time instead of a fucking decade later. But Ax is the artist so he has the right to take as long as he wants (a decade of re-recording is fucking ridiculous though) Edited April 2, 2013 by rocknroll41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jman2000 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I think I've been listening to the fake 1999 IRS demo for a while now! No wonder I never thought it sounded good! I just listened to the real one, and it sounds amazing! Way better than the album version in my opinion. I'd kill to hear the rest of the late 90's early 2000's songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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