DieselDaisy Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Also, another reason why new GN'R is called NuGNR is because it is truly a "new" Guns N' Roses.In 1992, Axl, Slash and Duff renegotiated their contract with Geffen and created a legal partnership defining who owned Guns N' Roses. That contract stipulated Axl, Slash and Duff as joint, equal legal members of GN'R. Axl put in a proviso which stipulated that if Axl was fired from the band or quit the band and legal partnership, the name and rights to the name would go with him and become his.Axl sent a letter to Slash and Duff on August 31st 1995 informing them of his intent to leave and dissolve the existing Guns N' Roses partnership on December 31st 1995. In his August 1995 letter to Slash and Duff, he announced his intention to form a new band/legal partnership which would also be called Guns N' Roses, which they could join as employees under contract. This all went into effect 12-31-1995.As such, even from a legal standpoint, there were/are two Guns N' Roses: The legal entity created by Axl, Slash and Duff as equal partners when they renegotiated with Geffen in 1992 and the legal entity created comprised solely of Axl which was created in 1995 which exists to the present day.Vincent, I still find it confusing, Duff's account that it was signed at a concert in Barcelona 5th July 1993! We have the legal documents from the Greatest Hits trial stating that it was signed 1st Sept 1992.Confusing the situation more, I was reading a few days ago an interview with Zutaut who said the signing occured before the 1991 Illusion Tour (May '91). Axl threatened to not tour if it wasn't signed. Izzy somewhat supports Zutaut. When Izzy lef (August-Nov '91) he said in an interview that Axl was trying to get everybody to sign contracts. So we have three potential dates...Mayish 19911st Sept 19925th July 1993I would personally still go with the 1st Sept 1992 one because its, legal, and not from Duff's intoxicated brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 OP said it the best the current lineup is the longest stable lineup. For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR.Nu is not even a proper word in this context and it's shows lack of intelligence when people use it as in NU GNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 OP said it the best the current lineup is the longest stable lineup. For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR.yeah, um, that guy sure can tour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 it turned into a revolving door cast of unknowns.Nine Inch Nails, Sixx AM and The Replacements are unknown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 (edited) it turned into a revolving door cast of unknowns.Nine Inch Nails, Sixx AM and The Replacements are unknown?Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Smashing Pumpkins, Megadeth, Lynard Skynard, Heart, Kiss, Eagles also had revolving doors. Edited April 21, 2013 by volcano62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 OP said it the best the current lineup is the longest stable lineup. For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR.Nu is not even a proper word in this context and it's shows lack of intelligence when people use it as in NU GNR.It's such a stable lineup that it hasn't put out an album in half a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 OP said it the best the current lineup is the longest stable lineup. For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR.Nu is not even a proper word in this context and it's shows lack of intelligence when people use it as in NU GNR. It's such a stable lineup that it hasn't put out an album in half a decade.What does that have to do with what volcano said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkchild Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 it turned into a revolving door cast of unknowns.Nine Inch Nails, Sixx AM and The Replacements are unknown?Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Smashing Pumpkins, Megadeth, Lynard Skynard, Heart, Kiss, Eagles also had revolving doors.Actually Floyd didn't, 1 change only: Syd Barrett being replaced by Gilmour, later in the 80's when Waters left they hired Guy Pratt to play Bass on tour, but he was never a band member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I've said it before and I'll say it again, I see it as three bands and label them as such:Classic BandChiDem BandCurrent BandAs far as when the name rights were given to Axl, I have no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR. it's shows lack of intelligence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR.Doesn't know what "legendary" means.I don't know that I'd even call Duff a "legendary bassist." But hey, I have standards based on real world shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR.Doesn't know what "legendary" means.I don't know that I'd even call Duff a "legendary bassist." But hey, I have standards based on real world shit.Not necessarily a music legend but a GNR legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR.Doesn't know what "legendary" means.I don't know that I'd even call Duff a "legendary bassist." But hey, I have standards based on real world shit.Not necessarily a music legend but a GNR legend.Tommy is a fucking asshole who pressured Bucket out of the band and is drunk 24/7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 OP said it the best the current lineup is the longest stable lineup. For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR.Nu is not even a proper word in this context and it's shows lack of intelligence when people use it as in NU GNR.There is not much 'stability' with Nugnr/newgnr (whatever you call it). Guns N' Roses, post 1999, are about the most unstable line-up in history! They leak members virtually every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR. Doesn't know what "legendary" means.I don't know that I'd even call Duff a "legendary bassist." But hey, I have standards based on real world shit.Not necessarily a music legend but a GNR legend.Tommy is a fucking asshole who pressured Bucket out of the band and is drunk 24/7Blame on Bucket himself. He's not a band guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyfos Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 OP said it the best the current lineup is the longest stable lineup. For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR.Nu is not even a proper word in this context and it's shows lack of intelligence when people use it as in NU GNR.So Duff isn't the legendary bassist of GNR to you? Can I call you a dickwad now? Stop breathing in fumes!It's very simple nu (new) GNR = The most current lineup there is.If the lineup changes again in 10 years the name won't change.. it will still be NuGNR.. (most current lineup)If you want to talk about a particular lineup other than the most current .. you will have to be more descriptive.. like GNR' 02 or The Original 5.Seems simple enough sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trqster Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 OP said it the best the current lineup is the longest stable lineup. For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR.Nu is not even a proper word in this context and it's shows lack of intelligence when people use it as in NU GNR.So Duff isn't the legendary bassist of GNR to you? Can I call you a dickwad now? Stop breathing in fumes!It's very simple nu (new) GNR = The most current lineup there is.If the lineup changes again in 10 years the name won't change.. it will still be NuGNR.. (most current lineup)If you want to talk about a particular lineup other than the most current .. you will have to be more descriptive.. like GNR' 02 or The Original 5.Seems simple enough sheesh!Maybe what volcano meant was that Tommy was the legendary bassist of the Replacements... In Gn'R Tommy was, well....a replacement for Duff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashbalove Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 why are we talking about the past? let's move forward with discussion on new gnr releases! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trqster Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 why are we talking about the past? let's move forward with discussion on new gnr releases!Sure, but errr...what's exactly in the pipeline for new Gn'R? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 why are we talking about the past? let's move forward with discussion on new gnr releases!Sure, but errr...what's exactly in the pipeline for new Gn'R? *crickets* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 OP said it the best the current lineup is the longest stable lineup. For example to me Tommy is the legendary bassist of GNR.Nu is not even a proper word in this context and it's shows lack of intelligence when people use it as in NU GNR.There is not much 'stability' with Nugnr/newgnr (whatever you call it). Guns N' Roses, post 1999, are about the most unstable line-up in history! They leak members virtually every year.We are going on 5 years with the current lineup...they don't 'leak" members virtually "every year".Has GNR ever had a stable line up for 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Roses Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 The current band should be called (Axl) Rose and Cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 The current band should be called (Axl) Rose and Cover.What about Smashing Pumpkins? Billy and Cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Roses Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 The current band should be called (Axl) Rose and Cover.What about Smashing Pumpkins? Billy and Cover?Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzydoezit Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) The current band should be called (Axl) Rose and Cover.What about Smashing Pumpkins? Billy and Cover?All songs written and composed by Billy CorganDoes this ring a bell?You will find that on pretty much all their album booklets. Edited April 22, 2013 by izzydoezit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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