Why are Guns so big in Brazil?

[Russel Nash]

I lived in Brasil for a short period of time, and they like to party indeed. Everything is a good excuse for a 24/7 party. And GNR, as well another international bands, fit right in.

Here in Argentina, they are equal as big, but here is more about respect. Is more like we give our love n respect for a band that bring us so much joy.

[dalsh327]

I think GNR's prob. going to be a presence at World Cup, whether they'll be performing during ceremonies or doing their own shows - I'm sure they won't even know until next year. I'm sure TB's looking into it, they'd prob. do the show just for the tickets to all the games. I think the costs would be covered by the organizers.

Edited May 16, 2013 by dalsh327

[Guest NGOG]

In answer to the question; I think musical cultures in different parts of the world are at different points of evolution. The US and Britain are the greatest exports of star brands and places like Brazil are only really starting to experience 30 or so years of music as they become more economically in sync with western 'democracies'. While the US are kind of 'over' names like GNR, KISS, Iron Maiden and also non-rock former superstars these artists can still pull major crowds in regions where popular culture was maybe deprived and marginalized forcefully when these acts were in their prime.

Brazil also seem to have a huge sense of nostalgia and spiritual connection for bands that made the effort in the early 90s to visit and play the places which weren't necessarily very relevant to the industry. It would seem that GNR's association with Rock in Rio and its subsequent impact on Brazilian musical culture has built generations of affection for Axl regardless of which line-up he brings to play.

Edited May 16, 2013 by NGOG

[Powerage5]

In answer to the question; I think musical cultures in different parts of the world are at different points of evolution. The US and Britain are the greatest exports of star brands and places like Brazil are only really starting to experience 30 or so years of music as they become more economically in sync with western 'democracies'. While the US are kind of 'over' names like GNR, KISS, Iron Maiden and also non-rock former superstars these artists can still pull major crowds in regions where popular culture was maybe deprived and marginalized forcefully when these acts were in their prime.

Brazil also seem to have a huge sense of nostalgia and spiritual connection for bands that made the effort in the early 90s to visit and play the places which weren't necessarily very relevant to the industry. It would seem that GNR's association with Rock in Rio and its subsequent impact on Brazilian musical culture has built generations of affection for Axl regardless of which line-up he brings to play.

The US are over GN'R, sure I'll give you that one. KISS would still sell well in the US if their shows weren't so damn expensive. And 10 years ago, you would've been right about Maiden. But they're in the middle of a huge revival in the US right now.

Ever since they played on the bill for Ozzfest in 2005, they've gotten bigger and bigger with each subsequent US tour. In '06, their first headlining tour after Ozzfest, they played 8 US shows over the course of 3 weeks. In '08, they played 17 shows on the US tour, plus 2 more on their around the world leg. In 2010, they played 25 US shows. Then last Summer, they played 36 US shows, and they're tagging on an additional 7 on their way down to South America in September - this current tour is the first time since the 80's they've done more than one US leg for any given tour. And they're not just playing more shows - they're also selling well. Most of the major market shows are sold out, and the secondary markets aren't doing bad either.

Of course, they're not packing football stadiums like in Brazil, but I would hardly say the US is over a band that is doing 43 US shows on a single tour. They've come a long way from not being able to fill 400 capacity clubs in the Blaze years...

[Guest NGOG]

I respect that Maiden can maintain a commendable market in the US but I would still say nonetheless that the US as a collective audience are over any sort of a Maiden era.

[NachoLZ]

nah, one is too fat and the other too skinny

Here's a couple you might like:

Andressa Urach

Aryane Steinkopf

Why are you showing him pictures of blow-up dolls?

Oh, c'mon!!

They don't look human

They're angels

Angels are pure...

How do you know they aren't pure?

LOL

Cosmonaut, those are way better

DS he is just showing better pics, its ok

pi2loc cmon men, im not gay wtf

[vaida]

Brazil seem to go crazy for most bands. I doubt GN'R are all that big, atleast not bigger than other bands.

[ManetsBR]

I've said twice and I'll repeat. Yes, all the bands are pretty big here, but Guns N' Roses and Iron Maiden are bigger.

[Deepest Shame]

nah, one is too fat and the other too skinny

Here's a couple you might like:

Andressa Urach

Aryane Steinkopf

Why are you showing him pictures of blow-up dolls?

Gay.

Thanks for the pictures Cosmonaut or should I say It Don't Really Matter?

Just a female that understands what class is and isn't

[Estranged Reality]

it happens to every artist. from black metal bands to justin bieber. it's crazy.

justin bieber is not an artist .

i'm not trying to start a bieber debate on a GN'R forum, but: he plays instruments, writes his own songs and sings. he's making music people listen to.

you may not like the music, you have every right to hate his music, but he is an artist.

Brazil seem to go crazy for most bands. I doubt GN'R are all that big, atleast not bigger than other bands.

One thing I've noticed about South American fans is that they seem to be the ones who really still follow up with the bandmembers. In America, GN'R = Axl and Slash. Casual fans probably don't even really know who Duff or Izzy are. But a lot of the love I see for guys like Frank, DJ, et al on Facebook are from South American fans. It's sort of interesting - I don't know if they're really still actively keeping up with the band, or only aware of who's in the band because (as someone suggested earlier in the thread) GN'R didn't really translate to South America until fairly recently. Who knows.

[Voodoochild]

In answer to the question; I think musical cultures in different parts of the world are at different points of evolution. The US and Britain are the greatest exports of star brands and places like Brazil are only really starting to experience 30 or so years of music as they become more economically in sync with western 'democracies'. While the US are kind of 'over' names like GNR, KISS, Iron Maiden and also non-rock former superstars these artists can still pull major crowds in regions where popular culture was maybe deprived and marginalized forcefully when these acts were in their prime.

No. That's not the case at all. You can go back to 1983 and you'll have a sold out Queen show in Brazil. Guns N' Roses, Nirvana and other big names from the 90's all played here with huge success. So its not about "starting to experience 30 or so years of music".

IMHO, its much more about language. Rap, hip-hop and even some of the pop music are the mainstream in US since the 90s, but those are meaningless to Brazilians because the lyrics are full of slangs, inside references and even too fast for non-English speakers. Even though 80% of the Brazilians who attend to the GNR gigs don't really understand the lyrics, at least they are much more "singable". And, of course, there's the absence of melody in the mainstream music.

Keep in mind, rock (even Iron Maiden or those other bands you guys mentioned) is not a mainstream music here in Brazil either. Regional stuff are way more popular, with bigger crowds and even revenues on digital music wholesale. The average Brazilian don't have a clue about what the band is now. Maybe because of how Axl looked in 2001 or the 2011 fiasco, but that's it.

ps: I'm Brazilian and those two girls are just heavy testosterone-junkies to me. Here's a better example IMO: Débora Nascimento. You'll may remember her from the beginning of that Hulk movie with Edward Norton. Or, if you want a less obvious choice to non-Brazilians, Luana Piovani (although she's annoying).

[maynard]

In answer to the question; I think musical cultures in different parts of the world are at different points of evolution. The US and Britain are the greatest exports of star brands and places like Brazil are only really starting to experience 30 or so years of music as they become more economically in sync with western 'democracies'. While the US are kind of 'over' names like GNR, KISS, Iron Maiden and also non-rock former superstars these artists can still pull major crowds in regions where popular culture was maybe deprived and marginalized forcefully when these acts were in their prime.

No. That's not the case at all. You can go back to 1983 and you'll have a sold out Queen show in Brazil. Guns N' Roses, Nirvana and other big names from the 90's all played here with huge success. So its not about "starting to experience 30 or so years of music".

IMHO, its much more about language. Rap, hip-hop and even some of the pop music are the mainstream in US since the 90s, but those are meaningless to Brazilians because the lyrics are full of slangs, inside references and even too fast for non-English speakers. Even though 80% of the Brazilians who attend to the GNR gigs don't really understand the lyrics, at least they are much more "singable". And, of course, there's the absence of melody in the mainstream music.

Keep in mind, rock (even Iron Maiden or those other bands you guys mentioned) is not a mainstream music here in Brazil either. Regional stuff are way more popular, with bigger crowds and even revenues on digital music wholesale. The average Brazilian don't have a clue about what the band is now. Maybe because of how Axl looked in 2001 or the 2011 fiasco, but that's it.

ps: I'm Brazilian and those two girls are just heavy testosterone-junkies to me. Here's a better example IMO: Débora Nascimento. You'll may remember her from the beginning of that Hulk movie with Edward Norton. Or, if you want a less obvious choice to non-Brazilians, Luana Piovani (although she's annoying).

I have to disagree about one part. Hip Hop and RnB acts are huge and popular in Brazil just like Rock music.

[Voodoochild]

Dunno about that, but maybe that's because Im too old now to follow the trends.

[Crash Diet]

every classic rock band seems to be huge in Brazil. They just seem to have not very demanding audiences there. It could be any random dudes on stage, and as long as the band is called Guns N' Roses or Iron Maiden or whatever there will be 200.000 people in the audience.

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[Guest NGOG]

Rap, hip-hop and even some of the pop music are the mainstream in US since the 90s, but those are meaningless to Brazilians because the lyrics are full of slangs, inside references and even too fast for non-English speakers.

Are you trying to say artists in the vein of Kanye and Beyonce would not sell-out in Brazil? Because that is a silly theory.

I stand by my point. Brazil are at different points in western popular culture. Through globalization, they have embraced both a former popular culture (which we would now refer to as nostalgia) and current popular culture (the Kanyes etc.). There's a fusion of both, while US hipster opinion would maybe brandish GNR lame and consider Justin Bieber cool, Brazil seems to embrace all eras of 'greats'.

[trqster]

All the classic rock & metal bands are still huge in my country (Portugal) too....BUT Bon Jovi and Metallica are on a league of their own. Then comes Gn'R and the rest...

[Voodoochild]

Rap, hip-hop and even some of the pop music are the mainstream in US since the 90s, but those are meaningless to Brazilians because the lyrics are full of slangs, inside references and even too fast for non-English speakers.

Are you trying to say artists in the vein of Kanye and Beyonce would not sell-out in Brazil? Because that is a silly theory.

I stand by my point. Brazil are at different points in western popular culture. Through globalization, they have embraced both a former popular culture (which we would now refer to as nostalgia) and current popular culture (the Kanyes etc.). There's a fusion of both, while US hipster opinion would maybe brandish GNR lame and consider Justin Bieber cool, Brazil seems to embrace all eras of 'greats'.

I live here and I assume you don't. So no, it's not a "silly theory", it's a fact: Kanye would never sell out any huge crowds in Brazil. They can make some gigs here, of course, but it wouldn't be nearly as big as stadium gigs.

I dunno why you mentioned Beyonce, tho. She's not in the same music genre and, well, "some of the pop music" does not equal to "everything pop music including R&B-pop like Beyonce". Still, like many mentioned already, Lady Gaga and Madonna both had a hard time selling tickets here.

Its funny how there are always misconceptions regarding how the rest of the world consume the US culture. Saw a bunch of movies showing how in Brazil we supposedly are watching 70s TV shows like its something new. Your point is pretty much the same thing. Maybe you think Vanilla Ice is selling out gigs here in 2013.

[Cosmo]

Rap, hip-hop and even some of the pop music are the mainstream in US since the 90s, but those are meaningless to Brazilians because the lyrics are full of slangs, inside references and even too fast for non-English speakers.

Are you trying to say artists in the vein of Kanye and Beyonce would not sell-out in Brazil? Because that is a silly theory.

I stand by my point. Brazil are at different points in western popular culture. Through globalization, they have embraced both a former popular culture (which we would now refer to as nostalgia) and current popular culture (the Kanyes etc.). There's a fusion of both, while US hipster opinion would maybe brandish GNR lame and consider Justin Bieber cool, Brazil seems to embrace all eras of 'greats'.

I live here and I assume you don't. So no, it's not a "silly theory", it's a fact: Kanye would never sell out any huge crowds in Brazil. They can make some gigs here, of course, but it wouldn't be nearly as big as stadium gigs.

I dunno why you mentioned Beyonce, tho. She's not in the same music genre and, well, "some of the pop music" does not equal to "everything pop music including R&B-pop like Beyonce". Still, like many mentioned already, Lady Gaga and Madonna both had a hard time selling tickets here.

Its funny how there are always misconceptions regarding how the rest of the world consume the US culture. Saw a bunch of movies showing how in Brazil we supposedly are watching 70s TV shows like its something new. Your point is pretty much the same thing. Maybe you think Vanilla Ice is selling out gigs here in 2013.

Where in brazil are you talking about? Here in Rio hip hop, EDM and pop are a million times bigger than rock music. Rock is practically dead here. People between the ages of 15-25 tend to hate rock music here. The best you see are Foo Fighters and Red Hot Chili Peppers fans.

[SoulMonster]

Why music acts have varying popularity across the globe is a complex thing. The musical zeitgeist in each country varies, causing them to embrace different music at different times and different strengths. It is a consequence of how popular culture and history coalesces causing youth to resonate with and want to express themselves with, different musical genres and acts. Even between two countries who are highly similar in almost all ways, like Norway and Sweden, the popular culture is every so slightly different. E.g., Norwegians like certain types of folksy music to a larger degree than Swedes, because it is related to specific folk music with deep roots in Norwegian history, probably as a consequence of different cultural traditions that go way back and might even be related to geographic and topographic differences between the countries. The political climate also affects what music is popular. Left-wing oriented bands (like Rage Against the Machine) and largely anti-government and -authorative bands would often be more popular in some countries, as a facet of counter-culture. Coincidences may also have great effect, e.g. if certain bands toured more and highly successfully in one region than another and hence caused that region to be biased towards that band and genre. All of these mechanisms and many more combine to make this extremely complex.

[maynard]

Rap, hip-hop and even some of the pop music are the mainstream in US since the 90s, but those are meaningless to Brazilians because the lyrics are full of slangs, inside references and even too fast for non-English speakers.

Are you trying to say artists in the vein of Kanye and Beyonce would not sell-out in Brazil? Because that is a silly theory.

I stand by my point. Brazil are at different points in western popular culture. Through globalization, they have embraced both a former popular culture (which we would now refer to as nostalgia) and current popular culture (the Kanyes etc.). There's a fusion of both, while US hipster opinion would maybe brandish GNR lame and consider Justin Bieber cool, Brazil seems to embrace all eras of 'greats'.

I live here and I assume you don't. So no, it's not a "silly theory", it's a fact: Kanye would never sell out any huge crowds in Brazil. They can make some gigs here, of course, but it wouldn't be nearly as big as stadium gigs.

I dunno why you mentioned Beyonce, tho. She's not in the same music genre and, well, "some of the pop music" does not equal to "everything pop music including R&B-pop like Beyonce". Still, like many mentioned already, Lady Gaga and Madonna both had a hard time selling tickets here.

Its funny how there are always misconceptions regarding how the rest of the world consume the US culture. Saw a bunch of movies showing how in Brazil we supposedly are watching 70s TV shows like its something new. Your point is pretty much the same thing. Maybe you think Vanilla Ice is selling out gigs here in 2013.

Where in brazil are you talking about? Here in Rio hip hop, EDM and pop are a million times bigger than rock music. Rock is practically dead here. People between the ages of 15-25 tend to hate rock music here. The best you see are Foo Fighters and Red Hot Chili Peppers fans.

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only iron maiden, ac/dc, u2 and prob metallica can fill a stadium in brazil. rock is not that big here, unfortunately.

[Voodoochild]

Where in brazil are you talking about? Here in Rio hip hop, EDM and pop are a million times bigger than rock music. Rock is practically dead here. People between the ages of 15-25 tend to hate rock music here. The best you see are Foo Fighters and Red Hot Chili Peppers fans.

I live in São Paulo. Well, Im married, so I dont go to clubs or shit like that, but I dont see people playing hiphop out there. Pop music was always around, but not the heavily influenced R&B pop, at least not as much as the US. I don't have a clue what is EDM, tho.

But nothing compares to what regional music does here. You are also overlooking the fact that people from 15 to 25 are not really the GNR crowd anyways, its much more 25-40 that actually lived in the 80s and early 90s.

[Cosmo]

Where in brazil are you talking about? Here in Rio hip hop, EDM and pop are a million times bigger than rock music. Rock is practically dead here. People between the ages of 15-25 tend to hate rock music here. The best you see are Foo Fighters and Red Hot Chili Peppers fans.

I live in São Paulo. Well, Im married, so I dont go to clubs or shit like that, but I dont see people playing hiphop out there. Pop music was always around, but not the heavily influenced R&B pop, at least not as much as the US. I don't have a clue what is EDM, tho.

But nothing compares to what regional music does here. You are also overlooking the fact that people from 15 to 25 are not really the GNR crowd anyways, its much more 25-40 that actually lived in the 80s and early 90s.

That's true, but what I'm saying is, contrary to what some posters are saying here, it's not that the current generation is into rock music, 'cause it's the exact opposite.

[rendestroi95]

It is stuck in a time lag. In Rio, we are in the year 1983. Bandanas are still popular in Brazil for christ sake. I cannot believe Pele likes nugnr cock. It ruined my childhood dream.

the art of talking crap

[DieselDaisy]

In Britain and The States we are more cynical about the acts we give birth to. So Guns became very quickly a 'cheesy hair rock act'; Oasis, 'Beatles clones'; Metallica, 'sell outs' etc. We like to tear down our heroes and the transatlantic music scenes are so far advanced that, tommorow's cutting edge act soon can becomes, yesterday's 'has been' as people move onto whatever is new.

In non-English speaking countries there is a lot less cynicism. They just universally lap up whatever is put in front of them. So Axl's nugnr project has only really been accepted in Brazil. In Europe and the States, Axl is seen as 'nothing without Slash'. The Brazilians however just accepted nugnr with enthusiasm.