Scenario: Axl tour the world with the same voice/hunger as 2010 performing the back catalogue, or singing new songs in his present voice

[Guest Gunns]

Scenario:

would you rather Axl tour the world again, with the same voice/hunger as 2010, with a setlist that is different every night, featuring irs, prostitute, uyi tracks/already released material..

OR

a tour that features new songs knowing that when he sings songs from the new album, his voice and movement on stage would be what it is presently.

[wasted]

Still a great show even if his voice isnt 100%.

[bacardimayne]

new songs without question, especially if theyre getting released

[Guest Gunns]

i know its early in the poll, but it's interesting to see that when people have new material to look forward to Axl performing, they are not so concerned with how he sounds anymore, unlike the ridicule Axl faces by the majority of 'online 'fans presently...

I guess after hearing the new songs performed live a few times, they would jump back on the bandwagon?

[WhazUp]

new songs without question, especially if theyre getting released

[Guest bellastar2355]

His voice can sound pretty good once he puts some effort into it I think

I'd rather hear new songs... if I wanted a 2010 performance, I go to youtube

[Eu4ic]

Your question is difficult because we need to see more than one show to judge his "present" voice. Also, we dont know, his "present" voice might sound good on newer songs - and it's not unreasonable to predict they probably would. So I'm not voting.

[Crash Diet]

New songs with 2010 voice

[magisme]

New music. But not if it's a near decade wait like it was for CD in 2001. If I knew an album was coming out when he sounded like shit live, I just wouldn't care as much about the shows. The reason the shows are so important right now is that they're all we've got.

[Chewbacca]

New shit.

[Un42nutzly]

I'd love to hear new tunes and I honestly enjoy GNR's energy, its awesome! Great thread by the way.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Only in the retarded world of forums do people consider 2010 to be the salad days of axl rose

[Bruno P.]

Only in the retarded world of forums do people consider AFD an untouchable and flawless rock album, so...

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Only in the retarded world of forums do people consider AFD an untouchable and flawless rock album, so...

Even the biggest gnr fans still admit anything goes exists. But please stop talking about the hall of fame band in the section dedicated to the glorious new nuband. Please tell me more about the spectacular highs axl rose hit in 2010. I read about 2010 in rolling stone all the time. It was truly a magical era for guns and music

Edited May 26, 2013 by HisRoyalSweetness

[Bruno P.]

Let's talk about all of the inovations on AFD. They truly changed how the world viewed music. Those original riffs, the over-the-top vocals, the genius lyrics... I am kidding. To me they overrate 2010 as some kind of holy grail and I cant even understand why.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Why do you think their goal was to reinvent the musical wheel? They just wanted to roll. I musical invention is what you crave, go find a world beyond gnr or rock music in general. The 50's were a long time ago

Edited May 26, 2013 by HisRoyalSweetness

[Bruno P.]

The biggest bands were also the biggest innovators in rock. Several rock musicians are known for their innovation. I know that they did stand out because they were one of the best of their time, but people act like if they were the holy grail of rock in the 80's and 90's. Like if they did something truly "magical" that nobody else could accomplish.

Edited May 26, 2013 by Bruno Poeys

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Eh. My favorite rock bands rock. When I'm looking for musical experimentation and innovation I turn I art forms that offer a little more room for innovation. But I'm glad you are so impressed by a few different chords and some tempo changes. There's a whole massive world of vastly different art to be found out there. Get to a museum one day. It'll blow your fucking mind

Edited May 26, 2013 by HisRoyalSweetness

[Bruno P.]

We're talking about innovation in music... I'm not going after other kind of arts because it apparently allows more room for innovation. I'm talking more like about the arrangements and studio tricks, not tempo or chord changes.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Okay cool. Go ahead and tell me what's so boldly innovative about Madagascar. Clearly my ears are not sophisticated enough

[Bruno P.]

I've never claimed that Madagascar is innovative. I like the arrangements, the vocals, even the lyrics, but that's it. Bucket's guitar solo is also a highlight

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Can you give me any examples of how nugnr is so boldly and artistically innovative? What are they doing that's so remarkably one of a kind and artistically significant?

See, I'm someone who really loves art and music in particular. And I resent the implication that what nugnr is doing is simply too sophisticated or creatively ambitious for me to appreciate. More so, I think the people who advance that opinion are often dolts and philistines. So prove me wrong... Tell me what's so artistically innovative about these tunes. What am I failing to hear?

Edited May 26, 2013 by HisRoyalSweetness

[Bruno P.]

Innovative? I've never claimed Chinese was actually an innovative record, but since you've been there, let me say. Mostly the guitar players came up with pretty interesting stuff, not Axl nor the songwriting or production - whine not exactly innovative, most guitar solos are not your standart chicken dinner.

The unexpected: Better - you expect Bucket to keep shredding on the solo and then all of the sudden there's the killswitch ending the solo. The Buckethead lick right after the fretless/Pitman breakdown - you don't expect a killswitch lick after a few sweeps and bends and then a bluesy guitar solo following all of that. This I Love: the solo - those bends and note choices aren't what you usually hear in a ballad.

Shackler's guitar solo, for instance, is certainly innovative in a few ways. First, name me one guitar solo consisting of half fretless sliding with thimble tapping thrown in and half fretted bending and tapping. The same goes for Riad N' The Bedouins. People keep referring to Shackler's as industrial, but if you can find me one industrial song with such playing... People refer to Chinese as grungy, but then again I've never heard any known grunge track with such guitar playing - the first half of the solo consisting of some beautiful bending, and then a whammy pedal oriented half bit. Also the fretless sliding riffing isn't what you'd normally hear in a hard rock-ish-grungy track. Scraped - how many guitar solos consisting of fretless sliding and wah wah have you heard in a rock song? In fact, name me one mainstream rock record with fretless guitar playing.

Chinese Democracy is not an innovative record. But some of the playing in it is truly different or downright innovative, especially for a mainstream rock band.

Edited May 26, 2013 by Bruno Poeys

[Guest NGOG]

Efficient cover band or innovative, legitimate band? I think the superior option is pretty obvious to anybody whose priority is music and the integrity of GNR.

[Guest NGOG]

Can you give me any examples of how nugnr is so boldly and artistically innovative?

Have you listened to Chinese Democracy? It's innovative in every way. Name me a record which incorporates such an array of genres and not merely in the sense of individual songs but within each song. Consider the context of GNR, consider the preconcieved ideas of what GNR should be and how Chinese Democracy is so juxtaposed with that expectation. There are few if any records out there boldly shunning its own discography in favour of something so radical or managing to satisfy every variation of 'rock'.