Writing,credits

[T.wa.T]

Hey Marc, do you know if Chris Weber or Paul Tobias co wrote Shadow of your Love and Back off Bitch? Chris sued Axl for royalties, but I couldnt find a definative answer as to the out come, but Paul is given the credit for BoB on UYI1. Thanks.

[recklessroad]

I think Chris had something to do with Anything Goes. I don't know about Shadow and I don't think he had anything to do with Back Off

[T.wa.T]

Thanks Marc.

[SweetRose]

I've never liked the first version of Anything Goes. And I've never been too find of Shadow Of Love either. I personally think Back Off Bitch came from the Appetite line up. Sounds more like them. Just like the Appetite version of Anything Goes which is waaaaay better.

[DieselDaisy]

February 8th, 1998

Ex-Hollywood Rose Bandmate Sues Axl Rose

Axl Rose is being sued by former bandmate Chris Weber from his pre-Guns N' Roses group, Hollywood Rose. Weber and co-publisher Greg Ehrlich, who co-own a company called Hollywood Rose Music, are claiming that Weber co-wrote two songs he's not credited for, including "Shadow of Your Love" and "Back Off Bitch." There's no dollar figure attached to the suit.

Weber and Rose played together in a band called Rose in 1983. Izzy Stradlin joined the group a short time later and the name was changed to Hollywood Rose. They split up not long after with Rose going on to front the band L.A. Guns and eventually the historic Guns N' Roses.

Weber, says co-publisher Ehrlich, slipped into oblivion while successfully fighting a drug problem. Guns N' Roses released an EP in 1986, then signed with Geffen to release their debut million seller, "Appetite For Destruction." Weber is credited with three songs recorded by G N' R and included on early albums. Weber later launched court action that was resolved in 1991 involving those tunes, but according to Ehrlich, those records are sealed. Weber, says Ehrlich, is now in the process of putting a new band together in Los Angeles which he is likely going to again call Hollywood Rose.

Last year reports surfaced that Weber was planning on releasing Hollywood Rose material and that Rose had blocked him from doing so. But Weber told press sources that he didn't want to release the old tapes, and that he had only called Guns manager Doug Goldstein to let him know he had them but was immediately warned he would not be allowed to release any of the material.

G N' R manager Doug Goldstein told the "L.A. Daily News" that he's talked with all his clients and they all deny that Weber co-wrote the songs. One of the songs, says Goldstein, was written before Rose and Weber even knew each other. Ehrlich, however, says he has video to prove it, which Goldstein told the paper he has never been seen. Ehrlich says he has now sent it to Axl Rose.

A spokesperson for Geffen, like Goldstein in the "L.A. Daily News," dismissed it as a nuisance suit. "Whenever a band sells millions of records," Geffen's Bryn Bridenthal told MTV News, "you can count on frivolous publishing lawsuits following right behind."

I do not know how this was resolved. Presumably it was settled out of court as these things tend to.

I've never liked the first version of Anything Goes. And I've never been too find of Shadow Of Love either. I personally think Back Off Bitch came from the Appetite line up. Sounds more like them. Just like the Appetite version of Anything Goes which is waaaaay better.

''Back off Bitch'' is, pre-Hollywood Rose/Guns N' Roses and was written circa 1981 between Axl and Tobias in Indiana. Slash did add new guitar parts to it as Marc mentions it in his book (something about Tracii trying to learn Slash's parts) but this clearly was not deemed enough to give Slash the all important songwriting credit on Use Your Illusion 1. It was played by Hollywood Rose and then later, carried forth into Guns N' Roses's club repertoire.

''Anything Goes'', ''Move to the City'' and ''Reckless Life'' are Hollywood Rose, co-written with Weber c. 1984. They were sort of, carried forward, into Guns. ''Shadow of You Love'' is also Hollywood Rose but it was usually thought to be 'Rose/Stradlin' until that lawsuit above. ''Anything Goes'' did go through about three lyrical changes for the version which ended up on Appetite.

Edited June 11, 2013 by DieselDaisy

[T.wa.T]

Weber gets a credit for Reckless Life on the Hollywood Rose disc, but on LIES there is no mention of writing credits. Actually it says all songs written and performed by Guns n Roses. This is wrong obviously because of the two cover songs.

[hellobeatle]

Weber gets a credit for Reckless Life on the Hollywood Rose disc, but on LIES there is no mention of writing credits. Actually it says all songs written and performed by Guns n Roses. This is wrong obviously because of the two cover songs.

I believe he is credited on the original Live Like A Suicide EP pressings. For whatever reason, it didn't list his name when it was reissued on Lies. This is sort of creepy that I remember this, but I believe he is also listed as a songwriting on Move To The City during the credits for the UYI: Live In Tokyo Vol. 2 VHS tape.