Are you gaining or losing more respect for the band the longer they CHOOSE to stick around and live off of another band's legacy?

[BBA]

At this point, they should be seriously considering where they stand as a band on their own accord.

To be still on the road, with a tour that is predominently based on past hits and history, with a handful of new songs peppered in (that seem to be getting scaled back) is just about beyond damage control.

If they show up in an arena in Toronto or Hamilton, I'm just not interested in going.

I might hit up a small venue gig, but I have no interest in seeing 2+ hours of a new(er) line up doing mostly 20 - 25 year old songs.

I've seen that movie.

Step up and prove you have your own legacy to hang the band's name on.

Fuckin A! Absolutely every word of it ...

People can ramble on all they like about how it's not their fault that they're not recording, but by staying and continuing on with these endless yester-year glory tours gives the impression that they are content with making their living sponging off of another band's legacy. A legacy they had NOTHING to do with. It makes them look like pathetic yes-men sock puppets who are hungry for a payday instead of the highly skilled musicians that some of you claim that they are.

Here's a hypothetical: Let's say the NuGNR cash grabbing stops in August and Ron decides to start writing and recording with his side band. They start lining up shows for September - AND THEN SUDDENLY - Axl decides he wants to book South American dates because he feels like celebrating AFD's 26th anniversary. What does Ron do? Does he stay dedicated to his side project and record and tour his own material, or does he go and cash grab in SA with Axl?

Is there anyone who doesn't think it wouldn't be the latter of the 2? It's really getting beyond pathetic ...

[NachoLZ]

I'm losing respect for Axl more than anyone.

[Zint]

I'm not bagging on their tour per say. They do what they do well.

I think they play the classic songs pretty damn good live.

I like this band.

What interests me is what they do with the Chi Dem material live.

By now they should be playing damn near the entire album, every fucking show.

2 hours of vintage tunes...yeah, ok, groovy...aaand?

[maynard]

At this point, they should be seriously considering where they stand as a band on their own accord.

To be still on the road, with a tour that is predominently based on past hits and history, with a handful of new songs peppered in (that seem to be getting scaled back) is just about beyond damage control.

If they show up in an arena in Toronto or Hamilton, I'm just not interested in going.

I might hit up a small venue gig, but I have no interest in seeing 2+ hours of a new(er) line up doing mostly 20 - 25 year old songs.

I've seen that movie.

Step up and prove you have your own legacy to hang the band's name on.

Fuckin A! Absolutely every word of it ...

People can ramble on all they like about how it's not their fault that they're not recording, but by staying and continuing on with these endless yester-year glory tours gives the impression that they are content with making their living sponging off of another band's legacy. A legacy they had NOTHING to do with. It makes them look like pathetic yes-men sock puppets who are hungry for a payday instead of the highly skilled musicians that some of you claim that they are.

Here's a hypothetical: Let's say the NuGNR cash grabbing stops in August and Ron decides to start writing and recording with his side band. They start lining up shows for September - AND THEN SUDDENLY - Axl decides he wants to book South American dates because he feels like celebrating AFD's 26th anniversary. What does Ron do? Does he stay dedicated to his side project and record and tour his own material, or does he go and cash grab in SA with Axl?

Is there anyone who doesn't think it wouldn't be the latter of the 2? It's really getting beyond pathetic ...

great posts bba and zint.

[Nosaj Thing]

Step up and prove you have your own legacy to hang the band's name on.

Tellin' it like it is.

[Bobbo]

Step up and prove you have your own legacy to hang the band's name on.

Tellin' it like it is.

[ThinkAboutYou]

It would give the band some more credibility if they had more then 1 album released

[SoulMonster]

I'm not bagging on their tour per say. They do what they do well.

I think they play the classic songs pretty damn good live.

I like this band.

What interests me is what they do with the Chi Dem material live.

By now they should be playing damn near the entire album, every fucking show.

Heh, no, it really isn't that good. A band should focus on their strengths and give people what they want to hear.

Here's a hypothetical: Let's say the NuGNR cash grabbing stops in August and Ron decides to start writing and recording with his side band. They start lining up shows for September - AND THEN SUDDENLY - Axl decides he wants to book South American dates because he feels like celebrating AFD's 26th anniversary. What does Ron do? Does he stay dedicated to his side project and record and tour his own material, or does he go and cash grab in SA with Axl?

Bumblefoot is already writing with other projects but must per his contract (as implied by himself) put other things aside when things happen with GN'R. That's one of the major downsides of being in GN'R for him. Apparently, since he remains in the band, he is fine with this, and we know there is plenty of time in-between in GN'R to be creative with side projects, as evidenced by the numerous side projects the band members are involved in.

[Zint]

I'm not bagging on their tour per say. They do what they do well.

I think they play the classic songs pretty damn good live.

I like this band.

What interests me is what they do with the Chi Dem material live.

By now they should be playing damn near the entire album, every fucking show.

Heh, no, it really isn't that good. A band should focus on their strengths and give people what they want to hear.

Well. currently, their strength is cohesiveness as a unit, these guys are tight..

Most fans of this line up want new music.

If all this band has to offer is playing November Rain for fans still gushing for it, then, really, artistcially, it's over.

What's the point in that?

[wasted]

In someways the old guys are getting money off this current band touring.

I wouldnt say respect is the word.

[Amir]

It would give the band some more credibility if they had more then 1 album released

Bumble and Frank don't feature much on ChiDem, and DJ's not on any GNR-recorded material. I know that obvious point is obvious, but it's kind of sad how after 4 years we haven't heard a single track with the newest GNR lead guitarist playing on it.

[SoulMonster]

Most fans of this line up want new music.

If all this band has to offer is playing November Rain for fans still gushing for it, then, really, artistcially, it's over.

What's the point in that?

Absolutely, most fans of this lineup wants new music, but we were talking about the shows, and most fans at the shows are more interested in hearing classics than songs off Chinese Democracy. I agree with you, I would prefer the band to play more new-ish (heh) material but I understand the band's decision to focus on more of a great hits package now that the touring of CD is over. And yeah, it is annoying that they add covers and not songs off CD, but apparently that's what Axl wants to play.

What the band needs to do -- and we all know and agree on this, I guess -- is to create new masterpieces that new fans will gush over. But so far that hasn't been done, at least not enough, and hence the band must just accept that they will have to continue to play November Rain ad nauseum. And I don't think anyone really believes the band will ever trump November Rain or come up with enough great songs to push that particular song off the setlists. I think we have to face it, Guns N' Roses will, at least as far as the audiences go, be a nostalgia act in the future. The band can make and release more music, and be as creative and artistic as they want to be, and I believe and hope they do, but chances are that they will never get the impact the band had back in the 90s and hence whatever they make, even if it is objectively great music (like I believe There Was A Time is, to make one example), will not become as beloved as songs like November Rain are and completely alter the setlists. It is just the dynamic of where GN'R are today, who the fans are, and the state of music in general. It takes A LOT in 2013 to create new fans more enthusiastic than the old fans who pay money to hear the classics from their youth.

Looking at the set lists now, the band plays 3-4 "new" songs. That's not bad, really, if you think about the back catalogue and CD's reception compared to the reception of AFD and UYIs. If the band can release a new record the number of "new" songs would hopefully be 6-8 out of 20. I don't think the current band members would be awfully unhappy about this. I think they are realistic enough to understand that this is how it is and that this is what they signed up for. But if they can be part of creating and releasing new music, and thus add to the legacy of GN'R, I think they will still be very content wit the situation.

It all depends on what will happen now....

[rockerman]

As individuals.. amazing talentd people tons of respect. Given that there is only ONE album post legacy GNR out there and years have now become decades on the subject with no real indication that the mighty GNR is continuing forward with another album...have to call it like it is.... hired guns/cover band. I cant begrudge them for wanting a job and doing it well but the X factor in this equation is simply not there. Get it out there equal or better than the past and forge a signature that is distinct and unique to these individuals and to this band.

[Bumblefeet]

Another dumb poll in a list of increasingly dumber polls this forum seems to spur. If you can't even pose an unbiased question, why do you expect me to participate and what good will any of the results do when it's clear from the onset that you've already made up your mind and this thread only exists to cheer on your opinion.

Edited June 27, 2013 by Bumblefeet

[WhazUp]

I can't disrespect a musician for wanting to make money, tour the world, and be a member of Guns n' Fucking Roses. Which one of us would turn this down if given the chance?

The lack of forward progression, and lack of information regarding said lack of progression, is all on one guy: his name is Axl Rose.

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