BBA Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Even though I grew up with these MTV type videos in the mid-90s - and can recall them fairly well - I forgot just how visible the tension was every time Slash was asked about he and Axl's relationship during this timeframe. This was even a year or so prior to Slash leaving the band. Here's a pretty cool '95 video. Slash talks about his and Axl's estrangement, his dislike for Tobias, and his uncertainty about where the band was going (if anywhere). If you don't feel like watching the whole video, listen to at least the last 5 seconds. I find Slash's awareness of the direction Axl was heading pretty astounding. "It's not like you hire a bunch of session players and make GNR. It doesn't work that way". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lim666 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 even drunk back then....Slash was right on about GN'R! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netcat Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 I'm not a fan of post GNR Slash, but he seems like a nice guy. And I can see how he was getting a hard time from Axl at that point. I remember Marc Canter hinting somewhere in his section that in the mid 90's Axl didn't know what exactly he wanted to do with GNR (to stay relevant to the current music scene). He only knew what he DIDN'T want. and he didn't want Slash's classic vision. it's very hard to find a common ground with ppl who have such an attitude. Not to mention all the band name and new contracts stuff. disregarding his obvious frustration Slash still speaks about Axl in a very diplomatic way. well i don't know, but it's hard to believe that somewhere at this point he told Axl to "shut up and sing". or else he's a brilliant actor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohlovelyrita Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 I'm not a fan of post GNR Slash, but he seems like a nice guy. And I can see how he was getting a hard time from Axl at that point. I remember Marc Canter hinting somewhere in his section that in the mid 90's Axl didn't know what exactly he wanted to do with GNR (to stay relevant to the current music scene). He only knew what he DIDN'T want. and he didn't want Slash's classic vision. it's very hard to find a common ground with ppl who have such an attitude. Not to mention all the band name and new contracts stuff. disregarding his obvious frustration Slash still speaks about Axl in a very diplomatic way. well i don't know, but it's hard to believe that somewhere at this point he told Axl to "shut up and sing". or else he's a brilliant actor I enjoyed that vid. Insightful. "Diplomatic" is when you say nothing untoward. In a sense, they share a business and need to equally care about the image of the business. (PAUSE......waiting for the disrespectful comments from people who go off the handle when you discuss Slash or Axl) Slash reminds me of my stoner surfer friends. He has that likeability except he seems like some of the haters we encounter on-line today who weakly share their negative thoughts. If he doesn't like something or someone, why voice it? Esp. on an eternal video? I'll assume Axl was negative then, too. All these back-stabbing comments are little cuts towards each other and they add up to real injury. I don't need a dirty laundry list of "Axl did this" either. Sounds like Slash was being nice by being patient with Axl's reevaluating the direction of the band.(Really they all needed to do that). I'd guess Axl could have shown more appreciation for Slash's early cooperation so Slash felt valuable (read: ego clash). From Axl's view, he may have been blind-sided by learning it wasn't authentic support from Slash since he later regretted it. All of Slash's good backfired with these passive aggressive comments in the video and elsewhere. Lack of cooperation from these two broke the band. Slash's "whatever" attitude doesn't appeal to me as a fan and that he felt GNR was an "obligation" altho he was more exited to go solo. Of course, this video doesn't tell me if he was always like that. Also i'm not sure why Axl was so influenced by the current and future music scene on the horizon then, he could have just done what came natural instead of trying to factor in the outside noise. Pressure kills creativity and if only one is feeling the pressure even worse results. I don't blame Axl for becoming the most self-conscious about their next move. He can't have a "whatever" attitude being the face of the band and performer. To the public, he is 60% of the band so if he isn't radiant representing the perceived brotherhood, there is no hiding the internal strife from the public. I don't know the timeline when Axl brought in Paul, had Slash already announced he was going solo? If not, Axl should have considered Slash's feelings before collaborating separately with someone. I don't see why people get so personally involved in side-taking when clearly they both made it impossible to move this this vehicle forward with all the bad blood. If you want to school me in a constructive way, i'd love to hear it but SPARE ME any abrasive comments on my post. Fighting on the internet is for people without any true passions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 If you want to school me in a constructive way, i'd love to hear it but SPARE ME any abrasive comments on my post. Fighting on the internet is for people without any true passions.I gave you the benefit of the doubt before, but now you should just STFU with your passive aggressive baiting, Tabitha/warchild/whoever the fuck you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohlovelyrita Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 If you want to school me in a constructive way, i'd love to hear it but SPARE ME any abrasive comments on my post. Fighting on the internet is for people without any true passions.I gave you the benefit of the doubt before, but now you should just STFU with your passive aggressive baiting, Tabitha/warchild/whoever the fuck you are. I don't need any special favors of the benefit of the doubt. That's your trip, leave me out of your issues here. There is a lot of territorial pissing here. Respect yourself and the words falling out of your ass will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 "It's not like you hire a bunch of session players and make GNR. It doesn't work that way"Great quote. Sums up the failures of Nu perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netcat Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) "Diplomatic" is when you say nothing untoward.http://f0x-b0y.deviantart.com/art/thank-you-captain-obvious-162524784 Edited July 4, 2013 by netcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Great video. Thanks Edited July 4, 2013 by TombRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) I'm not a fan of post GNR Slash, but he seems like a nice guy. And I can see how he was getting a hard time from Axl at that point. I remember Marc Canter hinting somewhere in his section that in the mid 90's Axl didn't know what exactly he wanted to do with GNR (to stay relevant to the current music scene). He only knew what he DIDN'T want. and he didn't want Slash's classic vision. it's very hard to find a common ground with ppl who have such an attitude. Not to mention all the band name and new contracts stuff. disregarding his obvious frustration Slash still speaks about Axl in a very diplomatic way. well i don't know, but it's hard to believe that somewhere at this point he told Axl to "shut up and sing". or else he's a brilliant actor Axl lives in his own world, with his own rules. He's surrounded himself with hangers-on that will not question his words or acts. When you see this, you can understand that the "shut up and sing" is nothing but a lie from him to excuse himself for being a failure with his solo record released under the GN'R name.If you ever question his lateness, dude, blame Slash as I wasn't supposed to go on tour. If you ever question his awful lyrics in his first solo record, dude, Slash, Duff and Seymour bullied me throughout the UYI tour, he called me an idiot and I couldn't write for years! If you ever question the departure of the members of real Guns, dude, they left by their own choice.That's how insanity works in Axl's mind. Edited July 5, 2013 by Nosaj Thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohlovelyrita Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 "Diplomatic" is when you say nothing untoward.http://f0x-b0y.deviantart.com/art/thank-you-captain-obvious-162524784 That poster gave me a big laugh. Tautology at it's finest. I guess for you diplomatic is in degrees. For me, it's finite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memdroid Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I'm not a fan of post GNR Slash, but he seems like a nice guy. And I can see how he was getting a hard time from Axl at that point. I remember Marc Canter hinting somewhere in his section that in the mid 90's Axl didn't know what exactly he wanted to do with GNR (to stay relevant to the current music scene). He only knew what he DIDN'T want. and he didn't want Slash's classic vision. it's very hard to find a common ground with ppl who have such an attitude. Not to mention all the band name and new contracts stuff. disregarding his obvious frustration Slash still speaks about Axl in a very diplomatic way. well i don't know, but it's hard to believe that somewhere at this point he told Axl to "shut up and sing". or else he's a brilliant actor Axl lives in his own world, with his own rules. He's surrounded himself with hangers-on that will not question his words or acts. When you see this, you can understand that the "shut up and sing" is nothing but a lie from him to excuse himself for being a failure with his solo record released under the GN'R name.If you ever question his lateness, dude, blame Slash as I wasn't supposed to go on tour. If you ever question his awful lyrics in his first solo record, dude, Slash, Duff and Seymour bullied me throughout the UYI tour, he called me an idiot and I couldn't write for years! If you ever question the departure of the members of real Guns, dude, they left by their own choice.That's how insanity works in Axl's mind.Wow. Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lim666 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 agree, that post pretty much sums it up how it all went down and still does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 One interesting thing about that is Duff saying he was interested in a NIN direction. We know Duff cided with Axl when the Pit demos were rejected but I have never heard Duff confirm so clearly that he and Axl were one on what direction to take, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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