Hollywood Gunner Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 sorry if this has been done before (probably has) but i searched the forum and didnt find too much about the manson cover... i know this may seem like its in very poor taste, and im sorry if it offends anyone, but im curious to know what others think or know about why axl chose to cover this songread a few things (not sure if theyre true or not) about how axls brother played the song for him, and only told him who sang it, after he had decided it was a good song... also read that the song may have been written by dennis wilson ?a few other questions ive asked myself, are how does manson himself feel about gnr covering his material ? (not that it matters) and how do you think axl feels about this song now ? also kinda hard to find many quotes from people who were around at the time (including axl) as to why this was done originally...i was somewhat inspired by the one in a million (which by no means whatsoever do i find offensive) thread to do a little digging about this song, which btw, i do really find to be in very poor taste... but dont get me wrong, its a good song... i actually do listen to it from time to time, and it seems to get better with age tbh... now, what i do not agree with is everything behind the songnow even if axl could have foreseen a percentage of the proceedings going to a victims family member, could he not have seen that this would surely be cause for some young misguided gnr fans to become manson fans themselves ? it could also be seen the same way one in a million was seen by many, as simple attention-whoring, which i dont entirely disagree with, but i think this was more than that... i dont think it was just about controversy, or going against the grain... i actually think that axl knew the band was on the brink of imploding, and that there was no way they would ever bounce back from something like this... not anytime soon anyways... ive always considered it to be the proverbial nail in the coffin to what GNR used to be, but could it have been axls way of killing off something he hated, intentionally ?this pic always comes to mind when i hear the song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I liked Axl's take on Look At Your Game Girl. I still don't get his obsession with serial killer but it was a nice cover.Do you think Charlie Manson has heard the track on TSI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.wa.T Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Manson didn't kill anyone. He conspired to. He was to much of a pussy to do it, so he had others do it.Good Song though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Gunner Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 I liked Axl's take on Look At Your Game Girl. I still don't get his obsession with serial killer but it was a nice cover.Do you think Charlie Manson has heard the track on TSI?i dont see how he couldnt have... and thats actually what got me wondering... what did manson think about it ?oh and i dont really think there was ever a serial killer obsession on axls part... if there was though, hes got way more problems than anyone ever orginally though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Great cover! Manson's version is all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitch_77 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Never liked it. It shouldn't have been on the album. Plus I think it's fucked up to sing or play a song from that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Manner Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I always thought that Sympathy for the Devil (and I know this is common perception) was the nail in the coffin for the old lineup. I've often wondered if Axl was sending Slash a message with that song. I always think of that line "what's my name" as a subtle (or not so subtle) way of saying I am the Rose in Guns N Roses- as if to say I started this thing, this is my band. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Maybe not. On a side note- I actually loved that cover and never figured out why Slash thought it was so mediocre. I think it's far better than the original. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I honestly don't think there's any real in-depth analysis to Axl covering Manson. Clearly he was intrigued by Manson's character and never allowed society to constrain his sense of artistry.Axl also, let's face it, liked the shock factor. He weirdly seemed to enjoy the furore he could potentially cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 oh and i dont really think there was ever a serial killer obsession on axls part... if there was though, hes got way more problems than anyone ever orginally thoughLet's see. He released a cover of a song written by a serial killer. He then used the Zodiac code to hide "FUCK 'EM ALL" on TSI?, who was this guy? Yep, a serial killer. He then, logged in this forum as "Dexter" (which is a fictional serial killer) in 2008.Tell me he isn't obsessed with serial killers lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Gunner Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) I always thought that Sympathy for the Devil (and I know this is common perception) was the nail in the coffin for the old lineup. I've often wondered if Axl was sending Slash a message with that song. I always think of that line "what's my name" as a subtle (or not so subtle) way of saying I am the Rose in Guns N Roses- as if to say I started this thing, this is my band. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Maybe not. On a side note- I actually loved that cover and never figured out why Slash thought it was so mediocre. I think it's far better than the original. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. i remember seeing an interview with slash (95 i think?) where he said axl got some other guy to add to slashs solos on sympathy, which totally pissed him off... and i also remember reading somewhere that slash didnt play on the manson song at all... that last part im not entirely sure about but... really... am i the only one that thinks this was axls way of really killing off the band as we knew it ?dont get me wrong, im still an axl fan and probably always will be, but this could have been an underhanded tactic to kill off the band, take some time off then resurect it, with his image of how it should have sounded... its just my opinion but i wouldnt put it past him... no one in their right mind could have thought that after everything theyd already been through, that any band, let alone gnr, could bounce back from this... but then again we are talking about axl hereoh and i dont really think there was ever a serial killer obsession on axls part... if there was though, hes got way more problems than anyone ever orginally thoughLet's see. He released a cover of a song written by a serial killer. He then used the Zodiac code to hide "FUCK 'EM ALL" on TSI?, who was this guy? Yep, a serial killer. He then, logged in this forum as "Dexter" (which is a fictional serial killer) in 2008.Tell me he isn't obsessed with serial killers lol.pretty sure i also remember reading somewhere that dexter was one of his favorite shows lol Edited July 23, 2013 by Hollywood Gunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Manner Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I honestly don't think there's any real in-depth analysis to Axl covering Manson. Clearly he was intrigued by Manson's character and never allowed society to constrain his sense of artistry.Axl also, let's face it, liked the shock factor. He weirdly seemed to enjoy the furore he could potentially cause.I think maybe some of it had to do with the irony of it all- that Manson (a mass-murderer) was singing the blues and felt like the victim in the relationship that the song is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Remember that there's no other GN'R member than Axl on this cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I always thought that Sympathy for the Devil (and I know this is common perception) was the nail in the coffin for the old lineup. I've often wondered if Axl was sending Slash a message with that song. I always think of that line "what's my name" as a subtle (or not so subtle) way of saying I am the Rose in Guns N Roses- as if to say I started this thing, this is my band. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Maybe not. On a side note- I actually loved that cover and never figured out why Slash thought it was so mediocre. I think it's far better than the original. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. i remember seeing an interview with slash (95 i think?) where he said axl got some other guy to add to slashs solos on sympathy, which totally pissed him off... and i also remember reading somewhere that slash didnt play on the manson song at all... that last part im not entirely sure about but... really... am i the only one that thinks this was axls way of really killing off the band as we knew it ?dont get me wrong, im still an axl fan and probably always will be, but this could have been an underhanded tactic to kill off the band, take some time off then resurect it, with his image of how it should have sounded... its just my opinion but i wouldnt put it past him... no one in their right mind could have thought that after everything theyd already been through, that any band, let alone gnr, could bounce back from this... but then again we are talking about axl hereoh and i dont really think there was ever a serial killer obsession on axls part... if there was though, hes got way more problems than anyone ever orginally thoughLet's see. He released a cover of a song written by a serial killer. He then used the Zodiac code to hide "FUCK 'EM ALL" on TSI?, who was this guy? Yep, a serial killer. He then, logged in this forum as "Dexter" (which is a fictional serial killer) in 2008.Tell me he isn't obsessed with serial killers lol.pretty sure i also remember reading somewhere that dexter was one of his favorite shows lolMatt and Axl did Look at your Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 there's a tiiiiiiiiiiime for a liiiving tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime keeps oooooooooooooooooon flyin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Gunner Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 it seems fitting now in restrospect but when it first came out i just remember thinking WOW ! WTF ?! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Axl was sick and tired for being misunderstood for one in a million... Then goes and covers a Charles Manson song haha.so yeah, I think the shock factor done good for axl's career. We all remember the kill your idols and charlie dont surf t shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Lahey Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I think he was trying to creep Steph out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuanVictor Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Great cover. Best TSI song, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtydane Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Manson didn't kill anyone. He conspired to. He was to much of a pussy to do it, so he had others do it.I always thought that too, but I thought it was proven he participated in the first or 2nd murder. It doesn't matter man, you get a bunch of impressionable young girls together, feed them LSD and take on the role of some sort of messiah, telling them to commit these horrible acts, you're as much to blame, if not, more so. As far as the beach boys connection, I'm pretty sure Charles stayed with Dennis for a while, and I think Dennis actually stole a song from chuck, re-worked it, and released it as an original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Dizzy looks such a tool in that photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I like the song, but it always left a bad taste in my mouth. It felt like forced controversy. Like, "Look at me and how badass I am! I sing a madman's song! Fuck off haterzz!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsfanoldie Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I like the song, but it always left a bad taste in my mouth. It felt like forced controversy. Like, "Look at me and how badass I am! I sing a madman's song! Fuck off haterzz!" Thats exactly what it is. Its that and also just wanting that shock factor. Doesn't matter if he truly liked the song or not. I agree with you, its a fine little acoustic song and I don't mind it at all. But Axl would have to be an idiot to not know it would get hated and thats exactly why he put it on there. In the end, there's nothing wrong with that, but its very easy to see why the rest of the band got annoyed. He did it was My World and the band was just like "WTF". Honestly, I'm sure all they were thinking was "listen, this is funny, but just tell us first before you do it." It never quite made any sense as to why he continually did things without telling anyone, other than simply being a dick.But to answer the question at hand, I don't think there's any other reason other than he knew this would get controversy and he wanted to see if he could get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabrph5 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I always thought that Sympathy for the Devil (and I know this is common perception) was the nail in the coffin for the old lineup. I've often wondered if Axl was sending Slash a message with that song. I always think of that line "what's my name" as a subtle (or not so subtle) way of saying I am the Rose in Guns N Roses- as if to say I started this thing, this is my band. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Maybe not. On a side note- I actually loved that cover and never figured out why Slash thought it was so mediocre. I think it's far better than the original. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. was in a bar this past weekend and an older guy played sympathy for the devil by gnr. It got a good reaction and one guy said he forgot gnr re-did it. The guy who played it tuned out to be anAnesthesiologist. He said it was one of the favorites the staff on the operating room played during surgery. cool story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Gunner Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) But to answer the question at hand, I don't think there's any other reason other than he knew this would get controversy and he wanted to see if he could get away with it.Agreed that he knew... but i honestly dont think anyone could actually believe theyd get away with something like that tbh not even axl... i just think theres alot more to it than we'll never know about Edited July 24, 2013 by Hollywood Gunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheri_Rose Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 oh and i dont really think there was ever a serial killer obsession on axls part... if there was though, hes got way more problems than anyone ever orginally thoughLet's see. He released a cover of a song written by a serial killer. He then used the Zodiac code to hide "FUCK 'EM ALL" on TSI?, who was this guy? Yep, a serial killer. He then, logged in this forum as "Dexter" (which is a fictional serial killer) in 2008.Tell me he isn't obsessed with serial killers lol.Axl is obsessed with serial killers? gee, I think I know why people disappear from the forum.... don't tick Axl off he's got millions and can be anywhere anytime he wants and it could be a darkalley near you!I read the Zodiac book btw-very good read. Playing with the code myself was pretty fun. I recommend it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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