Are we targeting our new music frustrations at the right people?

[Guest NGOG]

Are we right to believe that Axl simply isn't interested in releasing new songs right now? Are we right in suspecting that Team Brazil's only concern is to keep the tour money flowing?

Are we ignoring the role of Interscope? Chinese Democracy was a notoriously difficult process in terms of negotiating a release. With the way Axl responded to percieved 'subpar promotional plans', do you think maybe Interscope simply won't entertain a new record? Maybe we should be harassing Interscope to put GNR on the agenda.

[Snowmass]

Are we right to believe that Axl simply isn't interested in releasing new songs right now? Are we right in suspecting that Team Brazil's only concern is to keep the tour money flowing?

Are we ignoring the role of Interscope? Chinese Democracy was a notoriously difficult process in terms of negotiating a release. With the way Axl responded to percieved 'subpar promotional plans', do you think maybe Interscope simply won't entertain a new record? Maybe we should be harassing Interscope to put GNR on the agenda.

No. If Axl wanted to record/release new music he'd do it.

[Silent Jay]

I think you need a vacation right now.

[Guest NGOG]

Are we right to believe that Axl simply isn't interested in releasing new songs right now? Are we right in suspecting that Team Brazil's only concern is to keep the tour money flowing?

Are we ignoring the role of Interscope? Chinese Democracy was a notoriously difficult process in terms of negotiating a release. With the way Axl responded to percieved 'subpar promotional plans', do you think maybe Interscope simply won't entertain a new record? Maybe we should be harassing Interscope to put GNR on the agenda.

No. If Axl wanted to record/release new music he'd do it.

He can't release anything as GNR without the consent of Interscope. Do they want another Chinese Democracy style record in the GNR discography? Does Axl want to dilute his songs?

I think you need a vacation right now.

Nice dig. But it's merely a question worth consideration, not the prequel to another failed campaign.

Asshole.

[wfuckinga]

If Axl really wanted something to be released, there would be something released.

[Apollo]

Are we right to believe that Axl simply isn't interested in releasing new songs right now? Are we right in suspecting that Team Brazil's only concern is to keep the tour money flowing?

Are we ignoring the role of Interscope? Chinese Democracy was a notoriously difficult process in terms of negotiating a release. With the way Axl responded to percieved 'subpar promotional plans', do you think maybe Interscope simply won't entertain a new record? Maybe we should be harassing Interscope to put GNR on the agenda.

No. If Axl wanted to record/release new music he'd do it.

He can't release anything as GNR without the consent of Interscope. Do they want another Chinese Democracy style record in the GNR discography? Does Axl want to dilute his songs?

I think you need a vacation right now.

Nice dig. But it's merely a question worth consideration, not the prequel to another failed campaign.

Asshole.

Just like his refusal to promote CD when it came out, Axl would be cutting off his nose to spite his face.

You could be right about. But don't you think Axl or Beta and her children would have spoke out about it?

"We have 30 songs complete and would love to put out an album. Unfortunately, the label is behind us right now and seems unwillingly to cooperate with a future GnR album. You'll have to call them and find out why."

Also, if the label wasn't interested in releasing Axl's music or with working with him in the future, why wouldn't they simply release the band from their contract? Or let Axl buy it out?

Logically it would seem to be a combination of a lot of things.

Can you imagine Beta, Fernando and Vanessa showing up at a business meeting with Interscope's team to hammer out the deals of the next GnR album? It's a joke.

Interscope is probably annoyed with Beta and her kids, their demands that Axl/GnR be treated like they were still back in 1992, and with Axl's refusal to promote the last album.

Beta and her children, and Axl, probably feel like they deserve more (time, money, promotion) than the label is willing to give them. And instead of sucking it up and "playing ball" so they can release new music and please their MILLIONS OF FANS...........Axl and Beta and her children stand their ground. Not giving a crap that the FANS are the real losers.

[Flayer]

Axl and the record label are the valid targets for frustration about lack of new music.

Team Brazil and "the employees" are getting unfairly blamed by some on here. Especially Beta, whose job as the band's manager is to facilitate and carry out Axl's decisions. She's not in charge of making them, this is Axl's show. If he decided that a new album was his top priority I'm sure she'd be behind him 100% in getting it made.

The things people are saying about Team Brazil preying on Axl, forcing him to stay on tour so they can cash out on him, that is all bullshit. They're just an easy target for fan wrath because they interact with the fanbase more often than Axl and none of what they really do is actually visible to us.

[Silent Jay]

I think you need a vacation right now.

Nice dig. But it's merely a question worth consideration, not the prequel to another failed campaign.

Asshole.

The band don't need our help, they can do it alone. Interscope doesn't give a damn about us, there is no need to pressure them.

Nothing is gonna happen during a month or two because everyone (GNR gang) is on holiday. Nothing personal.

[SmellThePoppies]

I don't get why they can't go in and bang out a studio version of "The Seeker" and "Dont Let It Bring You Down" and just release them on iTunes.

Easy money

Only Axl makes things difficult. The dude needs to get over himself

[Kapitch_77]

The band can't get in a room and write stuff together. Interscope has nothing to do with that problem.

As for the CD leftovers, 3 guys from that period aren't even in the band anymore, it would just be ridiculous to release it.

The main issue is Axl, writing music just isn't his priority.

[Mastodonny]

It's the blessing and the curse of fighting do hard for the name. Perhaps we could've had multiple axl rose band albums by now.

[Guest NGOG]

The band don't need our help, they can do it alone. Interscope doesn't give a damn about us, there is no need to pressure them.

Nothing is gonna happen during a month or two because everyone (GNR gang) is on holiday. Nothing personal.

That's where your wrong. The future of the current GNR line-up is totally dependent on whether or not Axl can substantiate that people will actually buy the album and say good things.

Nobody within the camp can shed light on a years spanning debate because they are on holiday? Does that mean they automatically lose all forms of communication? Did they communicate effectively with us prior to going on holiday?

Edited August 8, 2013 by NGOG

[Nick85]

To the OP: Yes, absolutey. If Beta wants so badly for her and her offspring to bare the title of "management" they better be willing to accept responsiblity for the activity, or in this case, the non-activity of the band they are "managing."

[Hollywood Gunner]

i dont know why axl doesnt just start his own label... i mean it would be the logical thing to do given all the trouble hes had with universal/geffen... im thinkin maybe the only reason he doesnt is cuz thered be "no one left to blame" if he did

[Silent Jay]

The band don't need our help, they can do it alone. Interscope doesn't give a damn about us, there is no need to pressure them.

Nothing is gonna happen during a month or two because everyone (GNR gang) is on holiday. Nothing personal.

That's where your wrong. The future of the current GNR line-up is totally dependent on whether or not Axl can substantiate that people will actually buy the album and say good things.

Nobody within the camp can shed light on a years spanning debate because they are on holiday? Does that mean they automatically lose all forms of communication? Did they communicate effectively with us prior to going on holiday?

Well I'm talking about before an announcement (shows or even maybe the Vegas DVD). This fall should be the perfect time to release or announce stuff. August? Not so much.

They never lost all forms of communication, since there has never really been. Don't get me wrong, but apart from Axl in 2009 and BBF time to time, the band never really communicate with us, and I doubt it will change. There are so many legal stuff that it's impossible to answer some over-the-line questions about future plans. And we know both of us that Axl has always been "a failure to communicate", and he was never ashamed of left us in the dark for several years.

Edited August 8, 2013 by Silent Jay

[useyorappetite]

maybe axl is not as rich as we thought and he needs to tour. and beta became the manager so they wouldn't have to pay an outsider?

[username]

Are we right to believe that Axl simply isn't interested in releasing new songs right now? Are we right in suspecting that Team Brazil's only concern is to keep the tour money flowing?

Are we ignoring the role of Interscope? Chinese Democracy was a notoriously difficult process in terms of negotiating a release. With the way Axl responded to percieved 'subpar promotional plans', do you think maybe Interscope simply won't entertain a new record? Maybe we should be harassing Interscope to put GNR on the agenda.

Let's just say that for the past 15 years, Axl has blamed everybody else. Yet everybody else was replaced by someone else somewhere in that period. So it makes sense to me to blame the emotionally unstable overly perfectionist common denominator in this. I'm tired of Axl's excuses really.

[AndreCC]

You're right Username. There's been about 20 producers/managers that have worked with Axl before team brazil and none of them were able to do anything.

I remember that episode when a certain producer brought a couple of tapes with various ways to mix his songs to see if Axl liked any of it (this was really nice of the producer to do and a normal person would take it as a great effort), Axl however decided to destroy the tapes running it over with his truck...

I think that example tells it all... who's to blame? Axl Rose

[wasted]

I think the label has to play it's part. They can help get a record out or stone wall it if they want. GNR arent masters of the universe anymore. they aren't even selling as much as Nickelback.

[username]

I think the label has to play it's part. They can help get a record out or stone wall it if they want. GNR arent masters of the universe anymore. they aren't even selling as much as Nickelback.

You're not wrong. But I do think the past with Axl is a bigger reason no sane record company would get behind a GnR release, than the current state of music is.

[wasted]

I think the label has to play it's part. They can help get a record out or stone wall it if they want. GNR arent masters of the universe anymore. they aren't even selling as much as Nickelback.

You're not wrong. But I do think the past with Axl is a bigger reason no sane record company would get behind a GnR release, than the current state of music is.

I think it's Axl time meets label disinterest in putting any money up when they know there's enough material done. Also it's only been 5 years, where's Black Ice 2?

Edited August 9, 2013 by wasted

[username]

I think the label has to play it's part. They can help get a record out or stone wall it if they want. GNR arent masters of the universe anymore. they aren't even selling as much as Nickelback.

You're not wrong. But I do think the past with Axl is a bigger reason no sane record company would get behind a GnR release, than the current state of music is.

I think it's Axl time meets label disinterest in putting any money up when they know there's enough material done. Also it's only been 5 years, where's Black Ice 2?

In fairness, AC/DC stopped touring Black Ice in 2010 and they're not pretending to be working on something. Their communication is a LOT clearer. And that really is half the battle here.

[AndreCC]

I think the label has to play it's part. They can help get a record out or stone wall it if they want. GNR arent masters of the universe anymore. they aren't even selling as much as Nickelback.

You're not wrong. But I do think the past with Axl is a bigger reason no sane record company would get behind a GnR release, than the current state of music is.

I think it's Axl time meets label disinterest in putting any money up when they know there's enough material done. Also it's only been 5 years, where's Black Ice 2?

In fairness, AC/DC stopped touring Black Ice in 2010 and they're not pretending to be working on something. Their communication is a LOT clearer. And that really is half the battle here.

And they're on their 60s... Axl is 10 years younger... AC/DC are like getting ready to retire...

[wasted]

I think the label has to play it's part. They can help get a record out or stone wall it if they want. GNR arent masters of the universe anymore. they aren't even selling as much as Nickelback.

You're not wrong. But I do think the past with Axl is a bigger reason no sane record company would get behind a GnR release, than the current state of music is.

I think it's Axl time meets label disinterest in putting any money up when they know there's enough material done. Also it's only been 5 years, where's Black Ice 2?

In fairness, AC/DC stopped touring Black Ice in 2010 and they're not pretending to be working on something. Their communication is a LOT clearer. And that really is half the battle here.

And they're on their 60s... Axl is 10 years younger... AC/DC are like getting ready to retire...

maybe Axl is waiting for ACDC and The Stones to quit before he presses the turbo boosters.

To me 5 years is too early to draw conclusions, I mean if it comes out next year would that be alright?

[Guest NGOG]

This fall should be the perfect time to release or announce stuff. August? Not so much.

Nobody is demanding guarantees. All the community craves is somebody in the know to clarify the intended future of GNR.